lol yeah for real !

vw bugs are good sleepers? well i think so.

88 Civic hatch with a 89 GSR Vtec with bolt ons...my friend ran a 14.5 recently with it

If you go the turbo route the saturn makes a good sleeper. I went the full n/a + gutted route, like 10k spent & i only run a 13.5.

still fast for a saturn...N/A or not...

88 Civic hatch with a 89 GSR Vtec with bolt ons...my friend ran a 14.5 recently with it


Since when is 14.5 considerd fast???? It does not matter what car you have to what a base time is and how much you have gained, that is not what alot of people consider a sleeper time. Aye mr. hyde, these are dark times we are in.

Mr. hyde, I think you need to open up a school that shows the import people how to build a fast car.


Disclaimer....

I am not saying all imports are slow. im just saying that 14.5 is a slow time. It does not matter what car you have to what a base time is and how much you have gained.

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

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hey, i got toooo freakin bored doin this...oh yeah..
DSMs are best sleepers around my block..oh wait..thats me!

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hey, i got toooo freakin bored doin this...oh yeah..
DSMs are best sleepers around my block..oh wait..thats me!

You know, I have noticed that all the DSM's that are modded are starting to become 3rd gen camaros. 4 out of every 5 of them I see are coverd in primer. When will it end?? :icon16:

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

More than you should ever need and not enough of what I want :evillol:

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

Whew, I barely make it into the quick category. Damn today's standards :devil:

Vr4s, gsx's and m3 are not sleepers.


My old taurus would do 145+, quiet the sleeper.

i'm sorry have you even SEEN a 1990 GSX?!?! i plan on taking a baseball bat to the one i get and build into a sleeper, everything inside will be high quality it will look like a pos, one of the lights won't even go up all the way, gauges will pop out of the dash on command only and it will run 12's,....now tell me the guy in the 'vette that tried racing me just then isnt' pissing his pants cuz he got beat by something he thought wouldn't even pull away from the light w/o a push

Vr4's are sleepers....u just dont' see the ones w/ 4 doors running 13's bcuz there are so few, my neighbor's only has a huge exhaust on the back and a 2" boost gauge to tell it apart, besides that the o2 dump makes it sound like crap and the wheels are stockers painted black, so he sounds like a god awful ricer, til he opens up all 20lbs...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/315000-315999/315225_79.jpg

Turbo grand prix

chip($300)
gut the cat
cone filter
=14.6 me at 3660lbs
stock turbo T25 upgrade to say a T3/T4 13's anyone?




marcus

Turbo grand prix

chip($300)
gut the cat
cone filter
=14.6 me at 3660lbs
stock turbo T25 upgrade to say a T3/T4 13's anyone?




marcus


T-type

300$= slicks, mid 13s@3545lbs
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/87736wh-1-med.jpg
That is a sleeper

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/87736wh-1-med.jpg
That is a sleeper

Not to me, it ain't. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/evil_lol.gif

I can't look at one of those without thinking "Hmm wonder if it's turbo."

Damn you people!

Not to me, it ain't.
Well alot of us here are very informed on cars. However, most young gun racers have no clue what that is, and if you gave him a lil rev, he would most likely laugh...now who denies that sleeperness :P

the t-type is the mother of sleepers. but the gp is the econo version.
guy wants $5K for a GN with 200K on it..... :screwy:
I would love to have one though.
he used to run 11's with it.




marcus

Hypsi87, 14.5 is fast when you start with an 18 second car :D

If I had to give my 2¢
13.3 ~ 14.9 = "quick car"
12.4 ~ 13.2 = "fast car"
12.3 or quicker = more than you should ever need :D

Who am I talking to Jekyl or Hyde?
I feel left out. You didn't put a name for guys like me that have street legal cars that run very low 10's. I don't like "quicker".
I'm Albert 3rd car from top on list below.V

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--300ZX-Drag-Racing.html

Now my sleeper, (not the one above) is a ugly, original brindle shit brown 240DL Volvo station wagon with a 351C. I baught it that way. and how fast is it, ell if i no. I've never been beat in it, but thats not saying much as I'm the only racer within 100 miles I know of. I have to go at least 100 miles to race.

Albert

the t-type is the mother of sleepers. but the gp is the econo version.
guy wants $5K for a GN with 200K on it..... :screwy:
I would love to have one though.
he used to run 11's with it.




marcus

5K is about the going rate for an 87 GN with that many miles on it. I promise you that he was not running 11's on a 200k engine. The car might of had that ammount of miles but not the driveline.

I can't look at one of those without thinking "Hmm wonder if it's turbo."

Damn you people!


There is only one way to tell, notice the hood? It has a buldge in the middle. All turbo cars had that. Well now that I gave away the secret, the Buick people are going to ring my throat for it. :icon16:

I don't like "quicker".
Hey Albert, talk to NHRA ....

Quick= ET
Fast = MPH

Hey Albert, talk to NHRA ....

Quick= ET
Fast = MPH

I know, just needed someone to pick on, an U seem to still have some humor left.

OMG, it came to me in a dream over thanksgiving...
one of the old 80's Mercedes Diesels....
gut it and leave the paint all chipped and oxidized and with all the Diesel badges...
Drop a new AMG CL motor in there....
run a few lbs of boost
stock rims but new rubber of corse
now thats a sleeper.... :angryfire

ive seen them around town with price tags <2000.
problem is locating an AMG CL motor and tranny with out having to go down a Benz dealer and buying an all new AMG CL as a donor... :icon16:

OMG, it came to me in a dream over thanksgiving...
one of the old 80's Mercedes Diesels....
gut it and leave the paint all chipped and oxidized and with all the Diesel badges...
Drop a new AMG CL motor in there....
run a few lbs of boost
stock rims but new rubber of corse
now thats a sleeper.... :angryfire

ive seen them around town with price tags <2000.
problem is locating an AMG CL motor and tranny with out having to go down a Benz dealer and buying an all new AMG CL as a donor... :icon16:

Find a AMG CL and take a sludge hammer and proceed in totaling the sucker, but don't get caught, then you'll have a donor.
If you do that don't, I say DO NOT use my name ever again, cause your crazy'er than a pet coon.

Find a AMG CL and take a sludge hammer and proceed in totaling the sucker, but don't get caught, then you'll have a donor.

ROTFLMAO, oh.... ahhh ahahahahahahaha....






that was a good laugh

If you do that don't, I say DO NOT use my name ever again, cause your crazy'er than a pet coon.

crazy....




is in the eye of the beholder....




MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Hi Folks,
I think you could already tell my suggestion by my user name.

The Ford Fairmont makes an awesome sleeper. They are VERY cheap, VERY light, and VERY easy to stuff a large motor into, including the 460 cubic inch+ big blocks.

You can easily get a 2-dr, stripped and with a manual, to weigh around 2600 lbs.

Put in a donor 5.0 HO, T-5 tranny, and some induction mods (headers, intake, cam, etc.) and you have an easy 12 sec ride for so much less than all of these other ideas. This is not some pie in the sky plan, my '78 was actually built for around $3K (w/forged crank, rods, pistons, and 4-spd manual, not really necessary for above plan) and it is a legitimate and doable plan that anyone can duplicate. Look around - I have even seen some 9-sec STREET fairmonts.

And trust me, you will be able to suprise any vehicle you desire. It is a sleeper for those of the older generation, not pretty boys who don't like to get their hands dirty.

Sleepers rule....

question. There is a '91 cutlas supreme at the end of the street for sale. at fisrt i though 'old beater' . now i am considering this vehicles simply for price. it is as basic as you can get except it has Aluminum aloy wheels. the only thing it states is wrong iwth it is a blown head gasket. here are some questions i have for this car.

-I Beleive it is a 3.1 v6 12v FI engine or 24v FI engine. What type of FI is it and what type of numbers are extractable from this engine?
-I didnt pay close attention to the interior. i glanced and it looked in good shape, But i beleive it is an automatic. What kind of Numbers can this auto handle and is it FWD or RWD?
-Edmunds Value on it is $346 privet party, this is due to the fact it has a blown head gasket. i know the problems that come ith a blown head gasket. now my question is How much will a new gasket cost for this vehicle? i want to see if i dont want to use it as a screw around track car if i could make a small priffit (maybe $100-200) simply by fixing it.
-Do you think it would look good with 24's dark tint and system so loud the trunk jumps like a kid on a trampoline? lol.

3.1L has 140hp and around 180tq
if it's the 3.4L 24V it's got 215hp and 215tq
auto can handle some power.
www.w-body.com (http://)
for all your information needs




marcus

Hi,
It is possible to make a few bucks changing the head gasket. They typically only cost $50 or so, and maybe another $20-40 for torque to yield head bolts, which most cars use nowadays. There may be some other incidentals such as intake gasket, plugs, etc.

However, I would NOT recommend it for several reasons:
1. Head gaskets generally don't blow without reason (unless it is a Ford 3.8, it may happen at any time). The car was probably overheated.
2. If a car is overheated, particularly an aluminum headed engine, there is probably cylinder head or bore damage.
3. You don't know the condition of the bottom end of the engine. If it had been running with "milkshake" oil the bearings are probably trashed.

You don't sound like you have alot of mechanic experience. It is not a first time project to attempt.

I don't think the 3.1 is a particularly good motor to hot-rod. Find something with more potential and a lighter vehicle.

Good Luck.

i missed a play on words, ive been in these forums too long. FI stands for fule injected, not forced induction.
yes i know of the problems associated with head gaskets, I found out who is selling it. its a guy down the street. he owns at least 5 cars and i alked to him on the phone. when the head gasket blew he just didnt feel like replacing it so he figured he sell it as a fixer upper. I have experence with engines and my father was a certified mechanic before he joined the military, back in his 'day'. the guy said he'll let me take the heads off and check oil, coolant etc.. full inspection before i buy it for $350, i meay be able to talk him down. i even have connections to a mechanic local that usually charges $50 for basic inspection such as compression testing, sprak plug testing, etc.. but since my mom knows the wife of the guy real well he will probably do it for free. just get it looked over by the mechanic and se that its in good working condition and i will think about it. it is the 3.1. he says it just started smoking maybe for 300 miles before he decided to sell it. any ideas for perfomance mods. im not looking to 300 some odd hp im looking at mid-low 200's and plenty of weight reduction. maybe get it below 2900lbs with me in it.