Hi All,

quick questions.

1. I am going to try the "Fram suredrain" drain plug. Heard good things, some say it drains relatively slow (about twice the time), OK with me, any thoughts. I want to make oil changes easy/clean. If you tried, and didn't like, let us know!

2. Is the drain plug on the rodeo '99 22mm, I have to buy the tool, and want to be sure.

3. the "fram suredrain" requires a 25/34 torque specification (whatever that means), do you think this is necessary, or a common sense tightening should do. I believe it's brass, so I would be careful not to over torque. Any thoughts. I'd rather not buy a torque wrench unless necessary. I'm Guessing here, hand tighten it tight, then half turn with the wrench??? Your help here is greatly apreciated, I don't want to overtighten.

thanks!!!
Solster

I have the fumoto drain valve (fumotovalve.com) and love it. It serves the same function as the fram but I think it is built more sturdy. The fumoto valve has the 'genuine parts' status from 6 japanese car mfgs including isuzu. I just tightened mine, no torque wrench needed. Makes oil changes a snap.

I also have a fumoto (with hose barb) on mine. It's worked out really well & stays tucked above the skid plate nicely. The fram sure-drain is supposed to work nicely as well.
G/luck
Joel

Wow when did these things come out??? What ever happened to just removing the plug?? :D

I also have a fumoto (with hose barb) on mine. It's worked out really well & stays tucked above the skid plate nicely. The fram sure-drain is supposed to work nicely as well.
G/luck
Joel

Any chance one of you could post a pic of the fumoto/fram drain plug, I don't see how it's tucked under a skid plate, that's one of the reasons I chose Fram over Fumoto, it has a cap to protect it whan not in use.

And wht size is the rain plug if you know, 22mm???

thanks,
SOLSTER

And wht size is the rain plug if you know, 22mm???
thanks,
SOLSTER

Yes the drain plug is a 22mm. There are things like the cross-member that stick down lower than the fram/fumoto valve. Also they are screwed on at an angle not perpendicular to the ground. So, suffice it to say that neither valve sticks down very much compared with the original drain plug. The cover on the fram is a dust cover, it adds no additional protection, IMO. Although the fram may stick out less than the fumoto, or so its seems from the photo on the fram webpage.

Got an email from fumoto with a 15% discount code 'SVC6' in case anyone is interested in getting one.

Thanks for confirming the 22mm size!

Could someone confirm this is the drain plug:
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/tech/maintenance/engineoil/engineoil2.jpg
I once accidently removed the wrong plug on another vehicle, and drained the trans (of course that was a front wheel drive). Man, do I need a manual for the 99 rodeo.

thx,
SOLSTER

Could someone confirm this is the drain plug:


Yup that's the one.

Yup that's the one.

THANKS! I take it that's the cross member you spoke of just behind the plus (and slightly lower).

THANKS! I take it that's the cross member you spoke of just behind the plus (and slightly lower).

Waiting for the football game to come on, so I took some pics.

Here is a shot from the front of the vehicle. You can see that the crossmember is clearly lower than the fumotovalve. And a skidplate to the rear, is even lower than the crossmember.

http://www.my2cents.us/img/fumotofront.JPG


Here is a shot from the center of the vehicle with camera pointing to the front of the vehicle. The camera is tilted up a bit.

http://www.my2cents.us/img/fumotorear.JPG

hope this helps.

THANKS!

what year is that, I'm guessing 97 or earlier??? Why do I guess this: the link I posted has a straight cross-member, your's looks curved, and the drain plug does not appear to be on an angle.

Hope your team wins, what game are you watching? We're getting the Minnesota-Green Bay next!

SOLSTER!

THANKS!

what year is that, I'm guessing 97 or earlier??? Why do I guess this: the link I posted has a straight cross-member, your's looks curved, and the drain plug does not appear to be on an angle.

Hope your team wins, what game are you watching? We're getting the Minnesota-Green Bay next!

SOLSTER!

Yes its a 95.5. The drain plug is at an angle, just hard to tell with the valve installed. The drain plug for both 1st and 2nd gens are the same.

Watching pittsburg vs browns, then niners vs carolina. My team is so bad, I'm embarassed to name them. But, I'm from the SF bay area so you can guess for yourself.

So, the plug is the same, but it's locaton in the drain pan is different. Again, the pic/link I posted is from a 98+ rodeo if I'm correct.

BTW, how do you post pics???

Anyways go enjoy your game, and although I feel for you having such poor teams this year, us in Los Angeles can only envy your crapy teams :loser:

Thanks again
SOLSTER from Hell-A

My girlfriend says I'm a fantatic about changing my oil. I've always changed it at 3,000 miles. With my rodeo climbing over 133k miles, lately I've even been changing it a little sooner. I've been putting alot of miles on the truck, so these oil changes come frequently. Even though I got this task down to a science, I'd love to make it less messy. With that said, a drain valve might be my next investment.

So I have a couple of questions for you guys(and girls):

-I know this issue has already been discussed in this thread, but I just want to make sure. No one has had any clearance problems with the Fumotovalve?

-Also, for the Fumotovalve, is F106 the correct size for a 96 rodeo V6?

-Does it need an adapter?

-Do you recommend the valve with or without the nipple?

Thanks!!!
Nick

1. No clearance problems. Your 96 rodeo is the same as my 95.5 and you can see in the pics I posted above that there are plenty of stuff that hang lower than the valve. It probably sticks down less than 1/2" more than the standard plug.

2. Yes F106 is what I have.

3. No adapter needed.

4. I got one without the nipple cuz nipple extends down further and while being able to attach a hose might be nice, it is already soooo easy to change the oil that I'd take the extra clearance over any added convenience.

The nice thing about using a valve (fumoto or fram) is that you can drain the oil when it is still piping hot without scalding your hands. I literally pull into the garage after getting home from a trip and push a pan under the truck and open the valve to let the oil drain. None of that oil gets on my hands and the oil gushes out cuz its still hot.

Like you, I never let it get passed 3k miles before changing the oil. Why would you when it is so easy and quick to change it.

Thanks for responding to all of my questions anthonyn. I'm gonna get the Fumoto right away!

By the way, SOLSTER, did you decide on which brand to get?

Nick

Thanks for responding to all of my questions anthonyn. I'm gonna get the Fumoto right away!

By the way, SOLSTER, did you decide on which brand to get?

Nick

Yes, I am going to try the FRAM (part SD2), I researched both, and both got good reviews. Some worried they left a 1/4 quart oil in the pan, but most people refute that claim, and state they drain just as much, it just takes longer.

The FRAM suredrain cost $10, so I save about 10-12$. It's got a hose but many others don't even use it. It does have a nozzle/nipple built in. I was worried about the valve on the fumoto getting plugged with dirt (probably over thought it), but with the FRAM you have to be careful not to loose the part that allows the oil to drain (i'll keep mine in the glove box). A couple of other persons has the same worry about the valve, one thought it could potentialy get popped open by a stick when off-roading, another that the valve has a potential to fail.

I personally think you win either way. The fumoto has more people who think it's a sturdier product, other really like the features of the FRAM. Everyone liked these products.

ONE THING, CAREFUL not to over tighten, they are both brass.

One funny/sad story I found:
"used an iffy lube after installing one of these valves, they removed it to drain the oil, then over torqued it, screwed it up, and all the oil drained on my driveway"
The moral, if you put on of these in, don't let anyone else do a oil change for you, but then again, isn't that the point

Good Luck!
SOLSTER

I've got another question about the Fumoto valve. Are you guys just using the washer that comes with the valve? The reason I ask is because I read that some people are saying that the threads of the vavle are too long and are protruding up into the oil pan causing up to 1/4 qt. of oil not to drain out. Their solution was to use two washers keeping the threads of the valve from going up into the oil pan. Has this been a problem for anybody or am I over worrying?

Nick

I've got another question about the Fumoto valve. Are you guys just using the washer that comes with the valve? The reason I ask is because I read that some people are saying that the threads of the vavle are too long and are protruding up into the oil pan causing up to 1/4 qt. of oil not to drain out. Their solution was to use two washers keeping the threads of the valve from going up into the oil pan. Has this been a problem for anybody or am I over worrying?

Nick

Extra washer was not needed in my case. Some subaru's I've heard needed extra washer. Threaded section was same size as original drain plug thread. I did a quicky measurement when I installed the fumoto and was convinced it did not protrude into the pan beyond the inner surface. That was good enough for me.

Extra washer was not needed in my case. Some subaru's I've heard needed extra washer. Threaded section was same size as original drain plug thread. I did a quicky measurement when I installed the fumoto and was convinced it did not protrude into the pan beyond the inner surface. That was good enough for me.

Cool deal. That answers the last question I had; now I just need to order it!!!

Thanks for the help.
Nick