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RticQl8
02-21-2002, 12:28 AM
Im interested in buying a set of beadlock wheels for my X. I have my eye on a specific pair now but im not sure if they are what I need. I dont know my bolt pattern other than its 5 bolts and I dont know my offset or my rim width. Can anyone help me out with these details? Keep in mind im doing this for heavy offroad use so if I can make upgraes here to offset or wheel width without mods elswhere I will consider doing it

rrdstarr
02-21-2002, 12:45 AM
Ummm...you better take a close look at your wheels??? There are 6 bolts in a 5.5" bolt pattern diameter!!!!!!!!!!! Most people are using there stock steel or alloy wheels because most afermarket wheels rub because the Xterras offset is so different.

RticQl8
02-21-2002, 12:47 AM
well then im glad I asked:rolleyes: so when you say 5.5" what is that in reference to? I know the bolt pattern but how? and what about wheel width 8" 10" ? and offset?

Schludwiller
02-21-2002, 12:54 AM
Last I heard "real" beadlocks are illegal on public roads. Are you planning on changing wheels at the trail, or trailering your Xterra there? Xterras aren't hardcore offroad rigs anyway. I mean do whatever you want, but the conditions Xterras find themselves in really don't justify the need. Suspension upgrades will give you better results after tires.

Schludwiller
02-21-2002, 01:00 AM
P.S. I'm moving this to the tires and wheels forum.

xoc
02-21-2002, 06:08 AM
They are indeed illegal in the US due to the fact that they are not an error proof system of mounting. The DOT requires that a tire and wheel combination cannot come apart.

They are also almost impossible to balance. Most people who use them don't even bother attempting to balance the tire, since they never get above 5 mph.

Using them on the street, especially on a very "un-rock crawling" type SUV like the Xterra would be pointless and well over to the right on the poseur scale.

Matt Peckham
02-21-2002, 10:22 AM
there are many bead MOCK rims out there. these would be a better choice. Axis wheel http://www.axiswheel.com makes the Regulator,
http://www.axiswheel.com/images/regulatorb.jpg
and Weld racing makes the Stone Crusher. which is available in 15x8 and 4.25" backspacing. but they aren't cheap, but they are made with a superior process than most normal alloys. They are forged as opposed to machined, making the aluminum that much stronger. Personally, I think they are ugly.
http://www.weldracing.com/media/StoneCrusherDyna.jpg

RticQl8
02-21-2002, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Schludwiller
Last I heard "real" beadlocks are illegal on public roads. Are you planning on changing wheels at the trail, or trailering your Xterra there? Xterras aren't hardcore offroad rigs anyway. I mean do whatever you want, but the conditions Xterras find themselves in really don't justify the need. Suspension upgrades will give you better results after tires.

Who says "Xterras aren't hardcore" mine is well on the way. Its not a home made buggy but its nearly as capable as a good Jeep. I keep my mudders on a seperate set of rims. I only change them out when I go on Xcurssions. Normaly I ride on a nice set of crome rims and BFG 31" ats (they are CRAP for offroad). My second set of wheels are Maxis Mudders (cheaper and better offroad!) and they ride on a set of Junkyard rims. I want the beedlock because I need it. I need it because I have already popped my beed twice while rock crawling. Im not off the handle but I take my Xterra whereever it will let me. I could increase my tire pressure and possibly avoid this but I would rather run the locks.

p.s. I was unaware they where illegal. I see them occasionaly on the road but I will obviously avoid that.

RticQl8
02-21-2002, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Schludwiller
P.S. I'm moving this to the tires and wheels forum.

thanks for the move I didn't see this thread.

Now can anyone answere my other questions or do I need to pull my tire off and measure the rim width? Can I assume 5.5" is the diameter of the bolt pattern?

Toy Man
02-21-2002, 09:53 PM
What tire pressure were you using when you popped the beads?

Schludwiller
02-21-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by RticQl8


Who says "Xterras aren't hardcore" mine is well on the way.

Proof is in the pictures. I enjoy pushing my Xterra to new levels as well, but I'm also realistic enough to know I'm not going to make it into a rock crawling monster and keep it as a daily driver. My pleasure is in going places most SUV's never get out to, and then driving it to work on Monday.

So if your truck is so badass, how about sharing some pictures with us. We all like to see where each other has been.

RticQl8
02-21-2002, 11:19 PM
Most my photos are 35 mm. I finaly got myself a digital this Xmas. You dont need a rock crawling montser to pop a bead you just need to be in the right situation with low psi. When I popped I was running 12 psi in hot weather at higher than normal speeds in sand. I pop both my left side beads. It was driver error and I will never make that mistake again but now everytime I do a rocky side trail im paraniod I will lose a tire. I never realy considered beadlock untill I saw a nice set at the local shop. After talking with you all I will most likely pass.

Photos to come

xoc
02-22-2002, 01:22 AM
Isn't this it ?

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/antibible/lst?.dir=/Xterra

:o

xoc
02-22-2002, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by RticQl8
I want the beedlock because I need it.

No one needs beadlocks on an Xterra. Want maybe, but not need.

warmonger
02-22-2002, 05:40 AM
The bolt pattern is 6X5.5. Factory offset is 5 1/8 but you can only get that offset in an aluminum rim and it will have to be custom made. I am running a 4.5" offset with 32" tires but had to make some metal modifications to get full articulation. I have seen beads blown with our crew three times and all were in a mudhole. Two were aired down, one wasn't. I haven't blown one yet but it is only a matter of time. If you have on-board air it shouldn't be much of an issue depending on the quality of the air system. One of the three beads I reset myself with my on-board air system. The others we just simply put on the spare on the trail. It doesn't justify my buying a truck and trailer to put beadlocks on my X yet though.

xoc
02-22-2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by warmonger
I have seen beads blown with our crew three times and all were in a mudhole.

Beads blown on small tires (<33") on Xterras, or on big tires on other trucks ?

BTW, one other option besides aluminum is the stock steel wheels, which could have beadlocks mounted on them.

warmonger
02-22-2002, 07:45 AM
Yeah, I forgot about the companies that can make beadlocks out of any steel wheel.

All three cases were on tires samller than 32". Two on 265/70R-15 Long Trails, one on a 245/75R-14 Subaru. The Subaru blew it off thanks to an airborne flight into a mudhole that was sucking up trucks three times his size. He hit the mud wall and it took the tire right off the bead. He was a little wild. But hey, it's his truck. :bloated:

Originally posted by xoc


Beads blown on small tires (<33") on Xterras, or on big tires on other trucks ?

BTW, one other option besides aluminum is the stock steel wheels, which could have beadlocks mounted on them.

RticQl8
02-22-2002, 07:07 PM
BRAVO!! BRAVO!! warmonger thanks for answering my questions, that bit of info will prove to be usefull. I will send those specs to the local shop and see what they can dig up for me. Who konws I may end up with beadlocks after all.

Olegkha
02-23-2002, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by RticQl8
...
Normaly I ride on a nice set of crome rims and BFG 31" ats (they are CRAP for offroad). ..

i dont know, i like my bfg 31 ats on road and offroad
will i go with 31 on my next set ?
probably not , , i will probably get 32, but they will sure be Ats

maybe you just dont know how to use what you got ?


;)

Schludwiller
02-23-2002, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Olegkha


i dont know, i like my bfg 31 ats on road and offroad
will i go with 31 on my next set ?
probably not , , i will probably get 32, but they will sure be Ats

maybe you just dont know how to use what you got ?


;)

One thing I've learned from these boards is everyone is in different conditions where they wheel. My BFG AT's were great in the Rockies and Moab during the dry season and do great in snow. I like my SSR's when things are slick and rutted. Sometimes it's like skiing and depends on what I plan on doing for the day. GS ski's for groomed and going fast. Flexible and light ones for the moguls and deep snow. You're lucky if you can have two sets, otherwise it's the ones that meet most of your driving conditions.

RticQl8
02-23-2002, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by Olegkha


i dont know, i like my bfg 31 ats on road and offroad
will i go with 31 on my next set ?
probably not , , i will probably get 32, but they will sure be Ats

maybe you just dont know how to use what you got ?


;)

Aside from snow and ice I dont take my AT's offroad. My first experience offroad was in mudders and those in my group with stock tires and BFG AT's could not follow me without problems. I notice this most when climbing loosely packed hills and in the mud of course. Funny thing is I bought my AT's hopping for better gas mileage but it didn't make a damn bit of difference. Im just waiting for them to wear out so I can try something new.

warmonger
02-23-2002, 06:28 AM
As Schlud said, it is a matter of conditions. Here in Florida ATs are great as long as you don't play in the mud. Unfortunately, if you off-road in Florida, you play in either sand or mud, period. I have been surprised at my ATs ability to get through the mud, but they definitely aren't mud tires.

As for breaking beads, I can tell you it can happen to anyone. Aired up, aired down, it is a possibility. The mudhole the two Long Trails blew in was a mud hole I had just driven through myself along with three other trucks with no problems. It was just luck of the draw. They hit it the same way and both got lucky. It just proves that rocks aren't the only place you can pop a bead.

Maddog
02-26-2002, 10:32 PM
I also think there are better ways to spend "mod money" than on beadlocks. However, if you want something built for your exact needs (ie proper offset, B.S.) try Stockton Wheel. They are located out in Cali so give them a call if you really wanna go that route. Be prepared to spend some cash though.

Personally, I'd spend that money on armor, lockers, or start saving for that solid front axle :D

Dog

RticQl8
02-27-2002, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Maddog
....Personally, I'd spend that money on armor, lockers, or start saving for that solid front axle :D

Dog


Thanks for the advice Maddog. Im still trying to figure out where my next buck goes. It would however make more sense to fix something that has already proven to be a problem rather than spend money on mods I have so far lived without, without any problems. I havent come across a need for armor yet and hope I wont since I usualy use a spotter and I would hate to add the extra wieght and potential for over heating. Lockers would clearly help traction but honestly traction hasn't been a problem yet. as for the solid front axle, I would sooner buy a new (used) truck with solids all around. You can get a good Jeep for just under 7k around here. In my oppinion such a drastic mod as that would be foolish. If you desire a vehicle with solid axles it would make more sense to purchase one rather than build one yourself.

Maddog
02-27-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by RticQl8



I havent come across a need for armor yet and hope I wont since I usualy use a spotter and I would hate to add the extra wieght and potential for over heating.

You usually don't realize the need for armor until it's too late. Just ask anybody who has fucked up their rocker panels or has put a rock on the t-case. I understand you don't get in the rocks much, but I've sustained considerable body damage from hardened mud. I've never seen armor cause over heating, not saying it isn't possible, just not likely, in my opinion.

as for the solid front axle, I would sooner buy a new (used) truck with solids all around. You can get a good Jeep for just under 7k around here. In my oppinion such a drastic mod as that would be foolish. If you desire a vehicle with solid axles it would make more sense to purchase one rather than build one yourself.

You have a point, but coverting IFS to a sold front axle is becoming more common today. I fully understand the Xterra's limitations and at this point a SAS may indeed be "foolish." However, in the years to come, when I'm driving a 8-10 year old truck, and have no desire to understand the Jeep Thing, ditching IFS doesn't seem so dumb. In my opinion the articulation gains would outweigh about anything you could do to increase the abilities of the truck.

Dog

wqbang
02-27-2002, 11:53 AM
Bodywork is much more expensive than reseating beads, or mounting your spare. Beadlocked rims, are not only not DOT legal, but IMHO not neccessary unless you are running huge tires at low pressure (<12psi). If you are looking for that "Tough Beadlock Look" then check out http://www.spencerlowracing.com and ask them where they got their beadlock look-alikes.

If you are blowing beads that often, your money is probably much better spent on a Powertank, as you can air up your tires, run air tools, and reseat your blown beads trailside with it.

Schludwiller
02-27-2002, 12:39 PM
I have full skids and an ARB and have never experienced overheating problems. Sliderz seem like the best upgrade after tires.

BTW, have you considered that it's your tires that are causing problems? You said you ran "cheaper" Maxis Mudders (I can't even find that tire on the web :confused: ) The cheaper tires might have skimped on the side walls and are causing you problems. I've run Pirelli Scorpions at 9psi in the snow and then ended up on dirt and rock and didn't have any problems even after torquing on them in a rather difficult spot.

rrdstarr
02-27-2002, 02:27 PM
I have only popped a a bead once with the TSL Swampers! Actually I shoved a good size root between the rim and the tire! I was at 12 psi. It just deflated was all, no damage to tire or rim. Got it home and cleaned it off and reseated the bead myself.

Goliath the X
02-27-2002, 06:31 PM
It's true that you don't realize you need armor until it's too late. I dented a rocker in a spot I'd been atleast 8 times or more. The sad part is my sliders were being delivered the next week.

Skids are going on next, in fact they will be going on very soon.

I would like to run beadlocks for piece of mind. I avoid airing down below 12 for fear of poping a bead. The fact beadlocks are not DOT approved and are difficult if not impossible to balance has kept me away from them. I'm going to get a CO2 setup for air and to reseat a bead if the need arrises.

Once my X is payed off and I purchase another vehicle a solid axle will go in the X. I'm not interested in getting a jeep. I like the look of the X and it is the perfect size for me, not too big, not too small.

IIRC, Summit has beadlocks for around $100 a rim. I believe they are american racing black rock crawlers. There are several people, myself included, running the AR767 now and have been able to avoid serious rubbing problems despite the different offset.

RticQl8
02-27-2002, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Schludwiller
...BTW, have you considered that it's your tires that are causing problems? You said you ran "cheaper" Maxis Mudders (I can't even find that tire on the web :confused: ) The cheaper tires might have skimped on the side walls and are causing you problems.

I wish it where the tires, but no, it was my fault I was driving way to fast in deep sand with real low pressure. I popped both my front and back left beads. Not something I plan to do again, however doing so made me aware of the possibility and beadlocks would go a long way towards peace of mind (for me) As for body damage I know this sounds dumb but I don't care! Its a 4x4 I expect a couple dents and gouges given time and I will likely never fix them except to protect against rust. I'm not out looking for body damage though. I've seen some pretty nasty rips and dents, even when driving responsibly, but I intend to do my best to avoid such damages without the added protection of body armor. I just don't want the weight, my gas mileage is bad enough as it is and given the amount of driving I do in mud I don't want to deal with the hassle of cleaning them out. I have heard that they can collect enough mud to encapsulate your bottom end effectively insulating your engine and tranny causing overheating, however I too have never actually seen this happen. Maybe i'll spring for sliders though they do seem to be the most used of any body armor.

RticQl8
02-27-2002, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Schludwiller

BTW, have you considered that it's your tires that are causing problems? You said you ran "cheaper" Maxis Mudders (I can't even find that tire on the web :confused: )

Maybe this will help http://www.maxxis.com/automotive/productDetail.asp?BrandID=153 thats just a frame but the main site is at http://www.maxxis.com

the company was designed and built by Toyo tires in Japan but Maxxis is its own company now. I get these tires for just under $90 a pop and for the money I think they are the best thing going. They easily outperform any AT and do just as well as all the high dollar Mudders. The tires look good too although you cant realy tell from the web site. They look just as meen as the BFG mudders but not as crazy as some that you see out there. There not that loud (for mudders) deliver the same gas mileage as my BFG at's and last just as long or longer. My first set went for 16k miles on pavement and I still got $30 a tire when I traded them in for a new set. I dont drive them on pavement anymore so I will likely get years and years of offroad use out of these tires for just under $400 after tax.

Matt Peckham
02-27-2002, 09:37 PM
Beads are a waste. where are you going to put em? on a trailer you tow to the trail? stuff em in your truck? change your wheels TWICE everytime you wheel? I doubt your friends will wait around for you to change them before and after every run.

If you don't have sliders, how are you jacking your truck up to chage tires? I can't think of more of a pain in the ass than jacking your truck up 4 times with the stock jack. Fucking yikes.

Sliders and skidplates will do a whole lot more for your wheeling performance than beadlocks, if you aren't riding in sand. You say you are rockcrawling, yet you openly admit that you popped your beads in soft sand going TOO FAST. How does this relate to you needing beadlocks? Brains are cheaper. You will get a lot farther with a good set of tires, skidplates and sliders than you will with beadlocks, and your truck will be in good shape to boot.

Bead locks are up there beyond lockers and crawler gears on the evolutionary scale. WQ! said it best when he said a popped bead really is nothing in the long run. Maybe you should get a harbor freight portable tire seating tool. it's cheaper at $99 and will work on yours and your buddie's trucks.

RticQl8
02-27-2002, 10:32 PM
I don't have a problem driving on the highway with beadlocks I've been in other trucks while doing so and have never thought of it as a risk. I would change my wheels out in my garage prior to and after my 4x4 excursion just like I always do. And don't give me the "its illegal" crap maybe technically it is but realistically its not at least not where I live. There is one problem though, price, there almost $200 a rim on crapy wheels thats $1000 counting spare and like you said that money would be better spent on lockers.

Speaking of lockers. I got a hold of eaten the other day and they said they aren't going to release the elocker untill mid 2003. OUCH!!! that be a long time.

ozxterra
02-27-2002, 10:58 PM
Why dont you post a pic of the rig now with emphasis on the current wheels n such??
That might go a long way to people helping you out with your queries.

If your going over rocks of any decent size you sure as heck want some body armor. I know you are worried about gas mileage but my attitude is I can pay for the armor now and a few bucks a month of extra gas money rather than cough up un-planned $1000's on a crippled truck that I still need for my regular on-road duties. The fellas on this board sure can help save $$ with upgrades.

I gotta say too that my BFG AT's kick ass..but each to their own. My wheelin' is pretty much AT so I guess they suite me better than some other wheelers who need bigger lugs.

I have some nice aftermarket steel wheels on my rig from Discount Tire. They look pretty slick and didnt cost me much. I dont have to worry if I smack them around either.

In my opinion a good set of tires that have been worn and balanced properly as well as some well maintained wheels pretty much rules out a need for bead-locks on an XTerra.

Skid Plates, Sliders, ARB, Winch ----> Worth their weight in Gold. Im still adding to mine as I realize how smart an option they are. The T-Case on rocks is a real worry...

Cheers and good luck!

wqbang
02-28-2002, 10:28 AM
Don't care about body damage? Thats fine, but sliders and skids do alot more than protect from body damage. They can make the difference between hanging on a rock and negotiating the obstacle. What about damage to your tranny, transfer case, or gas tank? Those beadlocks aren't going to get you anywhere with 6 quarts of tranny fluid all over the ground.

I don't know.... Sounds like you are set on beadlocks, but IMHO really have no need for them. Good luck balancing them.

"And don't give me the "its illegal" crap maybe technically it is but realistically its not at least not where I live."

This is not "crap" and don't take this as a flame, but they are not DOT legal, and I encourage RESPONSIBLE wheeling as do most people on this board. This is especially true in California where 4 wheelers are well outnumbered by those who want to close trails to all motorized vehicle traffice. Please keep this in mind.

Maddog
02-28-2002, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by wqbang

This is not "crap" and don't take this as a flame, but they are not DOT legal, and I encourage RESPONSIBLE wheeling as do most people on this board. This is especially true in California where 4 wheelers are well outnumbered by those who want to close trails to all motorized vehicle traffice. Please keep this in mind.

I don't see how running non-DOT approved rims on the street relates to being a responsible wheeler. Most people, including the fuzz, probably don't even know what beadlocks are, or know of their legality.

Don't get me wrong, I realize the imprortance of Tread Lightly and maintaining a healthy relationship with the non-wheeling populous. I just think your statement is a bit of a stretch. Do I think it wise to run beadlocks on the street? Of course not, but I don't see the harm in it if thats what he wants to do.

Dog

wqbang
02-28-2002, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Maddog
Don't get me wrong, I realize the imprortance of Tread Lightly and maintaining a healthy relationship with the non-wheeling populous. I just think your statement is a bit of a stretch. Do I think it wise to run beadlocks on the street? Of course not, but I don't see the harm in it if thats what he wants to do.

While it is not directly related and is a stretch, I don't think running illegal beadlocks on the road could possibly look favorably on the 4 wheeling community. They are still illegal, and for a reason. If your rig is not street legal, trailer it. That is simply being a responsible four wheeler. That is not Tread Lightly, it is common sense.

Also keep in mind that 4 wheelers aren't the only people that use beadlocks. They are often used in drag racing. Most highway patrol could probably recognize beadlocks for what they are. Regardless if people know what they are or can recognize them, it is a saftey issue. When driving a 4000+ vehicle on public roads you might be risking others saftey as well as your own.

So yeah, my original point might not have been dead on, but they are still illegal, and opions on their legality should not be considered "crap". It is a real issue.

Maddog
02-28-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by wqbang

So yeah, my original point might not have been dead on, but they are still illegal, and opions on their legality should not be considered "crap". It is a real issue.


Agreed. :)

Dog

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by wqbang
This is not "crap" and don't take this as a flame, but they are not DOT legal, and I encourage RESPONSIBLE wheeling as do most people on this board. This is especially true in California where 4 wheelers are well outnumbered by those who want to close trails to all motorized vehicle traffice. Please keep this in mind.

Driving on the street with Beadlocks has nothing to do with wheeling and will not help any cause to shut down any trails. That is a stretch if I ever heard of one. I too believe in Tred Lightly but some folks take this a little to far. Perhaps driving a 4x4 without a seatbelt will result in trail closers? Or talking on a cell phone while driving a 4x4 (in some states) would reflect badly on the Sierra Club. Im all about responsible wheeling but lets not go overboard here.

I still think the law is crap and I find it hard to believe you dont disagree with any laws. You too I bet think a couple laws are crap.

ozxterra
02-28-2002, 04:20 PM
Coulda, would, shoulda, beadlocks are illegal, when a 4X4 is seen breaking the law it reflects badly on all of us just like the ex-pres getting blown under his desk reflected on all americans. Why do you think a lot of people hate SUV's?
Its hard enough finding good trails - we dont need any more closed. Please be cool about it all - do it for the children:cry:

People are just trying to be helpful here - not argumentative. We all share the same hobby and need to work together. Help us keep trails open and we'll be there to give you a hand when you rip the unprotected guts out of your rig on a sharp rock.


Cheers:D

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 04:31 PM
:devil: ok ok ill put down my pitchfork and play nice. I've already decided against them anyway I was thinking the $1000 will be better spend on a portable Welder so I can fix my underbelly trail side. Would hate to keep you guys waiting just because im to stubburn to buy skid plates.

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 04:35 PM
Where you from in Seattle? I was born in renton and lived there most of my young life. I hope to go back some day. I bet the wheeling is great

ozxterra
02-28-2002, 04:35 PM
I was curious if those were chains on your truck in your avatar pic? What were you wheelin' in?

Are you running with any of the clubs down there?

ozxterra
02-28-2002, 04:40 PM
Im an Aussie but Ive lived here 3.5 years. I live in Seattle but lived in Renton/Newcastle for a year and a half. The wheelin' is excellent in the summer. You had better like snow, ice and rain to wheel the rest of the year. I go out with pnwx. You can check some of the runs out best at superjens.com. The pnwx site is woefully out of date at the moment.

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 04:44 PM
Yeah there Chains. I took the picture during a snow excursion but at that particular spot there wasn't any snow. In fact most the trip there wasn't any but the Rangers insisted so I obliged. I run with SCCX every now and then but I haven't been out with them in a long time. I kind of like to go by myself. *insert raging flame here* but im looking forward to doing a couple club runs soon. I was even thinking of driving up to WA soon. (:rolleyes: with beadlocks the whole way) If I do I would like to come along on a couple club runs up there

ozxterra
02-28-2002, 04:55 PM
Well drop a line if you do head this way. Pnwx covers Oregon, Washington and BC Canada (eh). We go out between march and october for the most part (as do most wheeler's in this area) but we do run in the winter (see superjens.com).

There are some seriously hardcore Xterra owners in the club and they are handy for help and advice. You'll run into them on this board. I'd take advice seriously as most of us share advice only when we know what we're talking about (we usually learned the hard way:D ).

Check out the plates at skidrow.com - they are nice. I'd recommend the Transfer case one as the T-case on the X hangs down. You rip that off and its going to take more than a welder to repair.

Manufacturers such as EOE and Calmini make nice sliders too.

I run my rig all over downtown all week and I havent noticed any real impact on mileage.

Bilstein shocks are also a very nice upgrade after tires.


Cheers

wqbang
02-28-2002, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by RticQl8
Driving on the street with Beadlocks has nothing to do with wheeling and will not help any cause to shut down any trails. That is a stretch if I ever heard of one. I too believe in Tred Lightly but some folks take this a little to far. Perhaps driving a 4x4 without a seatbelt will result in trail closers? Or talking on a cell phone while driving a 4x4 (in some states) would reflect badly on the Sierra Club. Im all about responsible wheeling but lets not go overboard here.

I still think the law is crap and I find it hard to believe you dont disagree with any laws. You too I bet think a couple laws are crap.

Umm. Yeah OK. I never even mentioned Tread Lightly.

You asked for advice, and you obviously don't like what you hear. Do whatever you want.

Schludwiller
02-28-2002, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by RticQl8
I kind of like to go by myself.

Then you're much better off getting a winch/ARB. :smoker:

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Schludwiller


Then you're much better off getting a winch/ARB. :smoker:

Yes I suppose you are right. Is there an advantage to the ARB rather than the Calmini bumper. I should be recieving the Calmini Bumper soon *crosses his fingers*

RticQl8
02-28-2002, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by wqbang


Umm. Yeah OK. I never even mentioned Tread Lightly.

You asked for advice, and you obviously don't like what you hear. Do whatever you want.

Sorry if I offended you that was not my intent. I tend to be a little more argumenitive then I actually care to be. You did not directly mention tread lightly however your signature does and you did suggest trails would be closed if I drove on the street with Beadlocks, however vaguely.

I do like what I've heard because of this thread I have changed my mind and will spend my money elsewhere. Thanks for the advice.

Schludwiller
02-28-2002, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by RticQl8


Yes I suppose you are right. Is there an advantage to the ARB rather than the Calmini bumper. I should be recieving the Calmini Bumper soon *crosses his fingers*

You can get an ARB now. :)

ARB's are a known quantity. No reason the Calmini won't perform as well or better, but we just have to wait and see. (And no I don't want this to turn into another Calmini thread. There are already lots of posts debating this issue if you want to search for them)

ozxterra
02-28-2002, 08:28 PM
Help Aussie's buy beer - buy ARB!!!!


Seriously - they are tried and true and are built to work perfectly with Warn winches. I have both and love the setup. It is clean and functional.

Kerensky97
03-01-2002, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by RticQl8
... but I intend to do my best to avoid such damages without the added protection of body armor. I just don't want the weight, my gas mileage is bad enough as it is and given the amount of driving I do in mud I don't want to deal with the hassle of cleaning them out.

I've been on some pretty rocky trails and haven't ever hit any vital components under the Xterra.
In my experience the most hit portions are the forward leaf spring hangers in back and the lower control arms up front.

My solution is to get a 3" lift first.
If you want an alternative to skid plates you can just lift everything up off the ground a bit more.
For me skid plates can come later for piece of mind.

In my expereince you go wheeling a few times and see what the weak points are for your type of wheeling and your local terrain, THEN you start putting on mods to shore up the weak spots.

From the pics PNWX has shown I can see why sliders and skid plates are the mod of choice.
They got big rocks sticking right out of the middle of the trail!

I'm not sure how it is in So Cal but here we get more rock ledges than rocks. Lifting yourself over things is a bigger priority

So think over what mods you want to do. What works best for you is probably different from most.
:)

ozxterra
03-01-2002, 02:58 PM
However, from the sounds of things you are concerned about mileage - which seems to signify you use your XTerra on-road a lot. Keep in mind that a lift will alter your on-road experience. You might not like it so see if you can check out a local rig with the mod on it. I agree it depends on where/how you wheel. The last time I went out in Utah I was in a huge Z-71 and still dragged that - but it depends on wether your into heavy terrain or not. If your into the nastier stuff armor will be a cheaper and more robust investment.

RTQL8 also seemed interested in a run up to WA etc. If you head this way the tried and true upgrade path seems to be:
Tires, Shocks, ARB, Skids/Sliders, Winch, Suspension mods.... I imagine its that way for a reason...


Definitely each to their own though. Talk to some of the online vendors about what you do and what you are going to do with your X and see what they recommend. There are 4X4 shops by the dozen in your area too I believe so maybe stop by and chat...

Cheers :sun:

Kerensky97
03-02-2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by ozxterra
However, from the sounds of things you are concerned about mileage - which seems to signify you use your XTerra on-road a lot.

Actually the milage doesn't bother me too much, I wish it was better but I knew the Xterra guzzled gas before I got it.
And I wish I got more offroading in, I try to go once a week but it usually ends up being more like every other week.
Plus when it takes a 2 hour freeway drive just to get to the trailhead, on-road considerations still come into play.

As for mods the Xterra can do so much more than I planned for it when it was still stock, even the few times it bottomed out it was usually my fault for not choosing the right line.
And even though I keep pushing the offroading envelope I need to remind myslef not to spend too much making it into a rockcrawler becase all I wanted was a general All Terrain Vehicle to get me to the remote capmsites, pedal-power and hiking can get me the rest of the way.

If I wanted to do the extreme stuff an Xterra is not the best base vehicle to use.
Even if I dump $3000 in mods into the Xterra, I don't think it will get me much further than I can go now.

rrdstarr
03-02-2002, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Kerensky97


Actually the milage doesn't bother me too much, I wish it was better but I knew the Xterra guzzled gas before I got it.
And I wish I got more offroading in, I try to go once a week but it usually ends up being more like every other week.
Plus when it takes a 2 hour freeway drive just to get to the trailhead, on-road considerations still come into play.

As for mods the Xterra can do so much more than I planned for it when it was still stock, even the few times it bottomed out it was usually my fault for not choosing the right line.
And even though I keep pushing the offroading envelope I need to remind myslef not to spend too much making it into a rockcrawler becase all I wanted was a general All Terrain Vehicle to get me to the remote capmsites, pedal-power and hiking can get me the rest of the way.

If I wanted to do the extreme stuff an Xterra is not the best base vehicle to use.
Even if I dump $3000 in mods into the Xterra, I don't think it will get me much further than I can go now.

Kerensky97

Very well put! I think most of us who off-road our Xterras think that way! It's never gonna be Jeep!

ozxterra
03-03-2002, 03:02 AM
Kerensky - I was mostly addressing RTQL8's comments since he was intent on "Rock Crawling." Im an All-Terrain person myself and use my X on road a lot including for light towing. Heavy rock crawling stuff aint for me either. Some armor is though.

Cheers

Kerensky97
03-03-2002, 02:51 PM
I understand about the Armor, someday I'll have some too the only problem is money (Always is isn't it;) ).

I remember being behind Scott at GOX and seeing the smooth undercarrage on his X from behind.
The piece of mind of having full rock protection for the first 3/4s of the vehicle would help alot.

It's all on the Mod Wish List,
item 12 right behind Calmini winch bumper.:D

ozxterra
03-03-2002, 05:12 PM
I hear ya! It never ends. I just buy the stuff I am going to use and admire the rest of it on someone else's ride:alien2:

Schludwiller
03-04-2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by Kerensky97

The piece of mind of having full rock protection for the first 3/4s of the vehicle would help alot.


It's a great feeling. While in Moab I would hear a clunk, and know it was the sound of armor protecting the vehicle, not the "crunch" of exensive body panels. I've got full skids, sliderz, and steel front and rear bumpers now. It will take a serious roll to damage my truck body now.

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