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RedLightning
10-27-2004, 11:07 PM
Well my goal is to get my car into the 14's before high school is over, and I found out that if i make a timing change to 14 degrees, I could do it. Just one problem, what the heck is a timing change, and how would I do it?

http://members.aol.com/winsor351/LIGHTNING.html

"am the proud owner of a 1994 Ford Lightning built on 4/10/94. It out-handles most cars I see on the road today and dosnt do too bad in a straight line either. With the truck in stock trim except a K&N air filter and a timing change to 14 degrees, the quarter mile was swallowed up in 14.8 secs at 91.5 MPH."

carrrnuttt
10-27-2004, 11:32 PM
Well my goal is to get my car into the 14's before high school is over, and I found out that if i make a timing change to 14 degrees, I could do it. Just one problem, what the heck is a timing change, and how would I do it?

http://members.aol.com/winsor351/LIGHTNING.html

"am the proud owner of a 1994 Ford Lightning built on 4/10/94. It out-handles most cars I see on the road today and dosnt do too bad in a straight line either. With the truck in stock trim except a K&N air filter and a timing change to 14 degrees, the quarter mile was swallowed up in 14.8 secs at 91.5 MPH."

You advance the timing of your ignition, so that it 'pre-fires'. Makes better use of what gas you have, as you will burn it longer, giving your pistons just a bit more kick.

I have two mods to my SE-R. Timing advance, and a generic cone-filter - and now, it can get out of its own way. ;)

NOT RECOMMENDED FOR BOOSTED CARS

chevytrucks92
10-27-2004, 11:44 PM
Those trucks are s/c'ed right (I know the 2nd gens are, and pretty sure the 1st gens are as well)?

Just like carrrnuttt said, not recommended for boosted cars.

You're supposed to retart the timing for force induction.

carrrnuttt
10-27-2004, 11:45 PM
Those trucks are s/c'ed right (I know the 2nd gens are, and pretty sure the 1st gens are as well)?

1st-gen Lightnings weren't boosted - ran mid-to-low 15's - about as fast as a Dakota R/T.

RedLightning
10-27-2004, 11:49 PM
actually only the 2nd gen lightnings have superchargers, and I won't have one for a while.

"and now, it can get out of its own way." im really tired right now and cant think straight(or type) so can you refraise that? oh and thanks for the quick responces.

chevytrucks92
10-27-2004, 11:57 PM
actually only the 2nd gen lightnings have superchargers, and I won't have one for a while.

"and now, it can get out of its own way." im really tired right now and cant think straight(or type) so can you refraise that? oh and thanks for the quick responces.

I believe he means its got some get up and go about it.

Well, then advancing the time woudl be OK then. I thought for sure though that those trucks were s/c'ed. Must just be a popular mod for them.

About the timing question now, I'm not even really sure you can advance it sicne you're computer controlled, but again, I don't really know. [edit] Never mind that, I went to the link. Anyways, I would assume that you would have to get some kind of chip or programmer however to do this (that's all a hypertech programmer does for late model vehicle, advance the timing, and change fuel/air mixtures).

Now like for the race car in my sig, to advance the timing, you get a timing light, loosen the distributor, and turn it untill you get the desired results (from your timing light). I think we run ours 4 degrees advanced. Advancing the time gives you a much better bottom end.

carrrnuttt
10-28-2004, 12:04 AM
"and now, it can get out of its own way."

;)

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=294891
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=130547
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=298343
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=294763

It's pretty-okay for a beat-up, old-ass car.

carrrnuttt
10-28-2004, 12:06 AM
Now like for the race car in my sig, to advance the timing, you get a timing light, loosen the distributor, and turn it untill you get the desired results (from your timing light). I think we run ours 4 degrees advanced. Advancing the time gives you a much better bottom end.

That's how I did mine, and that's how he will do it to his truck. make sure you use a good timing-light.

CassiesMan
10-28-2004, 12:07 AM
I think the new gens are S/Ced. Dont they use the same motor out of teh Cobra.

carrrnuttt
10-28-2004, 12:11 AM
Dont they use the same motor out of teh Cobra.

No.

2nd-gen Lightning - 5.4 block.

'03-'04 Cobra - 4.6 block.

Not even the same superchargers.

CassiesMan
10-28-2004, 12:13 AM
Ah ok, thanks for telling me that. Dont kbnow my Fords.

chevytrucks92
10-28-2004, 12:18 AM
1st-gen Lightnings weren't boosted - ran mid-to-low 15's - about as fast as a Dakota R/T.

I see. Well, that's still respectable for mid 90s trucks. That's about what the old 454SS Silverado's did (produced from 90-93).

I believe the 90 model had 230 hp and 385 lbs-tq. The 91-93 models had 255 hp and 405 lbs-tq.

http://www.customtruckshowcase.org/performance/perf12.jpg

chevytrucks92
10-28-2004, 12:21 AM
That's how I did mine, and that's how he will do it to his truck. make sure you use a good timing-light.

10-4 then. I just was figuring that his ECM wouldn't allow him to change it too much, but like I said, I really don't know, lol.

chevydrummer76
10-28-2004, 02:08 AM
most of the guys on www.dragtruk.com run low 15's with no or minor mods on the 1st gen lightnings...... check it out

when i adjust my timing i just change it and drive it around the block. if it pings when you stomp on it its too far advanced if, if it bogs it's not advanced enough.

RedLightning
10-28-2004, 07:16 PM
wow, well thanks again for the info. i got more feedback from you guys then from some Lightning forums.

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