what motor (non-JDM) should i stick in my del sol... nothing against JDM motors or nothing i just aint got the money or the patience to get the money........... you tell me what motor you think i should swap into my sol

or should i just turbo my d1678 with a custom setup running around 9psi if not more makin a lil over 200whp

D16y8*

Turbo it. If $ is an issue, then turbo is the way to go IMO. If you're going to run 9+psi then you better save up for some good engine managment; a stand alone. And get a good tune, cause if you blow up the motor you're just going to end up spending as much as a motor swap anyways.

BOOST!!! Edelbrock kit

My buddy did a y8 in a 93 hatch like mine boosting around 7 to 8 psi on all stock internals he ran a 13.1 on street tires with a 50 shot of zex nitrous..I would just turbo it and do some internal mods..It should runn pretty good...

What little turbo do you guys have in mind? I'm just curious.

And where would you find one for cheap. (Website?)

you need more than just the turbo. there is a long list that goes along with it

save yourself the headache and just get the edelbrock kit

^^ but if money is really tight(i know cuz im a college student) HMT is the way to go.. hmt stands for home made turbo. not literally a home made thing but you just basically peice together the kit yourself.

www.turboD16.com
www.homemadeturbo.com
www.honda-tech.com

are great sites with a wealth of knowledge on forced induction

goodluck with it

-Luke

oh yah, I'd go with a custom kit than a prefab one anyday, but for people who just want boost and don't know a whole lot about turbos, the Edelbrock and Greddy kits are the way to go.

or you can get a edelbrock kit and just stick on a bigger turbo etc etc lol im guessing this answer was kinda unanimous(i cnat spel)

ok but heres my new plan its been like 2 min since my last plan and ive already switched it.... mini me swap i cant prolly get a vtec head fer what a couble pennies?

If you dont mind dodging the law, I believe Edelbrock is also make more powerful kits with more boost potential for near the same amount of bread, but the kit isn't emissions legal.

ok another question i got liek 1500 dollars to play with i can go to a pick n pull and get me a gsr or a ls motor fer about a grand and then turbo that now what would you guys say which would be a better option

good luck finding a gsr motor for that kind of cash
unfortunately, 1500 doesn't buy very many horses in honda land
Either way you go, look at 4 grand after everything to do either job justice

Hey i got a Link for a 99 ls motor with 39 k with everything included very nice deal 800 dollars if you want a ls motor there you go then that leaves you money to have it swapped in....On a turbo ive been making my own kit useing an IHI turbo from probe gt and mazda gt those are very good turbos cause there ball bearing..Ive just got my self a super 6 turbo new to go on my b18 in my hatch so im going to see how that works...Ive got 2 good IHI turbos 1 of a mazda and one off a probe there bolt in great shape with manifold i will sell if anyone is intrested i have like 5 of these things but my brother has one on his 91 integra and the other on his other car then im keeping the 3rd one but i will sell 2 for the right price....


Here is the thread to th e99 ls motor its on hondaswap website....


http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46859

heres my plan.... that i think ima stick with fer a couple of minutes... like i said b4 ima do the mini-me swap (vtec head on my non vtec block) what am i going to have to do once i get the head like how hard is it going to be to install it???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7929290993&category=33617 thats the head im looking at remember im goin to boost it when i can so im prolly going to get all that additional stuff put on it like the port and polish, the retainers etc...... what you guys think ima buy me my own parts to my turbo but i havnt started to look at a list fer that yet tell me what you think about that head tho

All most all that shit they listed on there can be done at a machine shop cheaper i know i had my whole d16z6 head done by a machine shop 3 angle port polish,mill everything you can think of for 275.625 for a head shit you should just by a b18 and pay 500-600 for a vtec head and do ls/vtec...

Wierd, I looked up at Edelbrock kit but it was like $3,200 or close to that. I was figuring, since that only boosts a stock EX to 170~ HP why not spend $2,400 and get a B16a G2? Those stock give 170 HP, plus you can still turbo it.

I don't know. I think I went off on a completely different rail.

the difference is 170 WHP - edelbrock, and 170 flywheel HP - B16.

If you calculate say a 15% loss through drivetrain that means about 196hp at the flywheel with the Edelbrock kit.

yah, thats on a chassis dyno, not an engine dyno. you have to figure in drivetrain loss.

lol...where the hell did you post go

i think i might be goin DOHC now but im sooo confused and dont know which to choose

If you're looking for a little over 200whp, then go with the B18b (LS) motor and turbo it. It's cheaper than the other B's (close to the price of the b16a) but it has lower compression and more tq (with the exception of the Type R's).

thats what my bro is telling me to do..... i got a friend that can do the vtec wiring fer me since my car isnt a vtec right now so i think ima roll with the turboed ls/vtec idea......

o just surfing ebay i came across this i like the turbo manifold alot and the rubo is decent, its a good size downpipe i would get a new wastegate though cuz um that one is ugly.... check it out then leave feedback about what you think about it and tell me if thats a good price fer that http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7931034025&category=33742

rubo=turbo in a bad spelling language by the way

ssautochrome...do not buy from them. If you search for that name on here you'll find nothing but negative posts about that company.

And there's more to an Ls/vtec than jsut wiring it up for vtec. Do a search and find out what else you need to do if you're going to do it.

GScivic thanx fer the heads up man.... but do you know any other companys that sell a turbo manifold, a good one, like the one i have linked up their??

Civicspoon i knew that wasnt the only thing i had to do but im just saying i wasnt planning on going into a vtec motor but since he said hed do it ima do it fer sure now..... but u got any web pages that could give me sum advice or a walktrhough on how to perform this swap or something similiar..... much thanx fer the both of you guys

o and rush thanx also fer the heads up i woulda spend a shit load on the head but now ill just find one and take it to a shop.... much appreciation

How to Re-wire Your Honda for VTEC, and Other Sensors when Doing a Swap



http://www.hondaswap.com/index.php


This is a write up on hondaswap for wiring your car for vtec just some info to give you a heads up on what it will be like and all..Also on hondaswap there is a vtec head complete well its bare head without senors and all but i think it has the cmas and everything else..Heres the link to it also..

http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47282


Hope this can help out some..

I'm not sure if you mean a LS/VTEC walkthrough or swap in general.
Here's for LS/VTEC (nice walkthrough I just found online): http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/lsvtec/lsvtec.php
Here's some wiring help for vtec (includes GSR in case you use that head): http://www.allmotorhonda.com/techpages/B-sereies-wiring.htm
If this wasn't what you ment, let me know and I'll try to to help.

GScivic thanx fer the heads up man.... but do you know any other companys that sell a turbo manifold, a good one, like the one i have linked up their??
my three favorites are revhard, lovefab, and onefab. They are spendy though. You get what you pay for.

do they look like the ssautochrome one???

they make different configuration, most i think look better than the ssautochome one, except for revhards cast one and lovefabs shorty manifold.

Check them out www.revhard.com, www.lovefab.com, www.onefabrication.com

thanx fer the links i like the onefab.com ones the best, they are sick and unique...... I LIKE EM

you can't go wrong with any of them. Best part about love fab and one fab is that they aren't a huge company with machines and crap that do all of the work. So if you need something a little custom done, just contact the owner, tell him your needs and they will work it out for you.

scratch revhard off the list i dislike all of theirs lol but its whatever floats your boat

ya ive never even heard of those guys untill you posted their names

ok but heres my new plan its been like 2 min since my last plan and ive already switched it.... mini me swap i cant prolly get a vtec head fer what a couble pennies?


ok dont wanna read all 3 pages, too lazy, sorry if this has been sadi already but isnt the D16Y8 the engine thats in the 6th gen EX, which is already SOHC VTEC, why would you do a mini me swap? you basically building what you already have.

i own a 97 del sol not a civic and my car is a sohc non vtec... but weve already gotten of that idea lol sooo it dont matter anyway

well you must not have the Y8 then, I swear thats the SOHC VTEC engine.

no thats the d16z6

im pretty sure about that any way ill check it on the net

look up d16 specs in the search and its the z6 that is the vtec motor

D16Z6 is the SOHC VTEC motor for 92-95 Civics/Del Sols. D16Y8 is the SOHC VTEC motor for 96-00. SOHC non-VTEC for 96-00 is the D16Y7

yeah I know the 92-95 civic EX/SI's had the Z6, I swear I read on the first page you said you had a D16Y8, must have been out of it or something.

yeah, 2nd post in this thread you say- "or should i just turbo my d1678 with a custom setup running around 9psi if not more makin a lil over 200whp"

and then in the 3rd one you even correct yourself and say "D16Y8*"

ya well u lost me dude... i asked emily(del sol forum mod.) and she tol dme which motor it was but i forgot.... but all i was saying is that i had changed my mind on doing the mini-me swap but that was liek a week ago and now i think im back on that idea

alright, not sure how I lost you, but to cvlear it up, click on page one in this thread, read the 2nd and 3rd posts and youll see what I was talking about, but I guess you probably just had bad info or made a mistake or whatever so no big deal.

Round 2 (or 3)

D Series VS B Series
Turbo Turbo

LoL... AGAIn!!!! Ok place your votes fer which of these you think would win with the following questions......


Question Motor

Which would be cheapest to fix up- B | D

Which would be most reliable- B | D

Which could handle more boost on
stock internals....
5-7PSI B | D
7-9PSI B | D
9+PSI B | D

Which would have cheaper parts B | D
to build the internals.....

What kinda numbers would I be
running with a T3/T04 size turbo. 5-7PSI
7-9PSI
9+PSI

if you got any more things to add to the list just add one and everyone place ur vote

Cheapest to fix up would be the D
Most reliable, depends on driver, tuning, parts used
Boost on stock internals goes to the B (considering its a B18B)
Cheaper parts would be D
T3/T04 at about 9 psi would be somewhere between 200 and 250 whp on a B (depending on which B series motor, parts used, tuning)

There are way too many variable to give a real solid answer.

gsr motor vs the d series vtec are the two motors both with the following setup... which just be a custom turbo that would egt me started fer boosting :)

T3 300zx 1g Turbocharger
Oil Feed Line
STD Manifold
DSM 1g Blow off Valve
Starion/Conquest Intercooler
DSM 450cc Injectors
Zdyne Gold SECU w/ 3bar Map
MSD 6BTM w/Cap & Coil
Autometer Pod
Oil & Boost Gauge
Adapter Plate
Downpipe
Charge Lines
Misc Gaskets

if it's the B18C then I stand by my post except for how much boost they can handle in stock form. The D and B18C both can only handle about 8-10 psi depending on turbo used, and tuning.

t3 could be a bit small for a b18c

Nah, T3's are great turbos for Honda motors. They spool incredibly quick. Not much potential for a ton of power, but for a quick street car, a T3 would do the trick.

Yea we got a IHI turbo put on my brothers 91 integra on stock internals..He fliped the boost 1 night on that thing up to 21-22 psi for about 5 mins that thing was terribaly fast threw me back in the seat every shift and reaches 100mph pretty damn quick..He normally keeps it around 10-11 psi still its pretty damn fast at that..

Nah, T3's are great turbos for Honda motors. They spool incredibly quick. Not much potential for a ton of power, but for a quick street car, a T3 would do the trick.

yes fast spool would be fun, but the lack of top would kind of suck. traffic light killer? maybe... :naughty: