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New skyline and G35sRACER D12 10-19-2004, 07:16 PM Ok I know the G35 is technically in a way the new skyline but my friend says I don’t know what im talking about. Can you explain to me how the G35 is related to the skyline so I can better explain it to my friend. Also his dad works for infinity as a sales rep or something and he said his dad was told the new skyline is coming out next year as in 2005. I don’t think that’s true right? Edit: Also he said the 2005 skyline is just for america :eek7: jmrev 10-19-2004, 07:52 PM Skyline 350GT (v35) is the infinity G35 (v35) [v35 is the chassis]. The G35 is the "luxury" version of the Skyline 350 GT. It shares almost every aspect as the 350GT, it even looks the same, carries the same engine ect..... only different thing that changes is the name plate. If he's reffering to a Skyline coming next year, then he's wrong, the GTR isn't due until 07' and it wont be called "skyline" it will only be called "GTR". :smokin:, at least that is what we have been informed. jmrev 10-19-2004, 07:58 PM Read the forum called "GTR" its a few threads below. thegladhatter 10-19-2004, 08:03 PM G35 is an Infiniti. There is no Skyline in the USA. There will be no Skyline in the USA. Skyline ONLY sells RHD cars. jmrev 10-19-2004, 08:14 PM Yes he's very right, the G35 is an Infinity not a Skyline, what i tried to explain is that they are bassically the same car under different names. No skyline for the US and never will be. RACER D12 10-19-2004, 08:23 PM does our skyline (G35) have the same engines as the ones in japan? jmrev 10-19-2004, 08:46 PM yes the VQ35DE. Also found in many other Nissans, some have a higher hp. EvoCrazy 10-19-2004, 09:28 PM The G35 has almost everything the JDM ones have. Just because its not RHD it doesnt mean its not the same car. The RSX is called the Integra in Japan, does that mean its not the same car? VQuick 10-19-2004, 10:17 PM The G35 has almost everything the JDM ones have. Just because its not RHD it doesnt mean its not the same car. The RSX is called the Integra in Japan, does that mean its not the same car? The word in bold is the problem. Almost. The G35 is not available with 2.5L or 3.L engines, nor can you buy one equipped with 8-step CVT. It is not the same as the Skyline. That's like saying a Skyline GTS-t is almost a GT-R just because they are both turbocharged. Almost doesn't cut it. The RSX is much closer to the Integra than the G35 and Skyline, but there are probably some differences between the Acura and Honda, too. nismo_power 10-20-2004, 12:11 AM G35 is an Infiniti. There is no Skyline in the USA. There will be no Skyline in the USA. Skyline ONLY sells RHD cars. then you can just cheat :D buy a v35 RHD dash and convert it all to RHD. buh buh buh. same car. only difference is badging, and different drivetrain options available in japan. but BASICALLY they are one in the same. note: arent the same, but basically are. engines, nor can you buy one equipped with 8-step CVT i never bothered to look into the g35's, but arent they available with the paddle shifters as well? 2of9 10-20-2004, 07:19 PM what if you put a RB26DETT into the G35?? hahahah...thats a good one, once i have the money, i'll put the RB26DETT into a G35 AWD!!! HAHAHAHAH.... RACER D12 10-20-2004, 07:23 PM what if you put a RB26DETT into the G35?? hahahah...thats a good one, once i have the money, i'll put the RB26DETT into a G35 AWD!!! HAHAHAHAH.... why isnt the G35 motor better? jmrev 10-20-2004, 08:12 PM i really dont want to see arguing in this thread like in my old thread, remember 11 pages of hell in the thread called "gtr", please not again. VQuick 10-20-2004, 09:26 PM what if you put a RB26DETT into the G35?? hahahah...thats a good one, once i have the money, i'll put the RB26DETT into a G35 AWD!!! HAHAHAHAH.... If you have the money to do that, I hope you have the money to set aside the G35x as a race car and buy another daily driver. In many areas it is illegal to swap in an engine older than the car you are putting it into. An RB wouldn't pass inspection or emissions, anyway. jmrev 10-21-2004, 03:32 PM rb26dett doesnt pass emissions, whats wrong with the VQ35de? its not bad, its alomost as good as a rb engine, if you make alot of mods on it. Wait till the new GTR arrives and them start thinking what you want to do. nismo_power 10-21-2004, 03:57 PM rb26dett doesnt pass emissions, whats wrong with the VQ35de? its not bad, its alomost as good as a rb engine, if you make alot of mods on it. Wait till the new GTR arrives and them start thinking what you want to do. its BETTER than the rb26dett. it has almost the same horsepower as the rb26 and its naturally aspirated, while the rb was twin turboed. twin turbot he g35 and youll be puttin down some big numbers. GTR_driver 10-21-2004, 04:49 PM its BETTER than the rb26dett. it has almost the same horsepower as the rb26 and its naturally aspirated, while the rb was twin turboed. twin turbot he g35 and youll be puttin down some big numbers. You really think it works that way? If its a NA the compression will be too high. nismo_power 10-21-2004, 05:04 PM You really think it works that way? If its a NA the compression will be too high. have you ever heard of *gasp* lowering the compression?! jmrev 10-21-2004, 05:35 PM i will not say anything.......wait go read the thread called "gtr", the vq35de is nothing compared to the rb26dett if you are doing mods. how much Hp is the VQ35 capable of? The new GTR due to come in 07 might change that. VQuick 10-21-2004, 06:05 PM how much Hp is the VQ35 capable of? Well over 1500hp with sleeves, according to AEBS. In the process, the VQ will make more torque than an RB could dream of...and weigh ~200lbs less, while sitting farther back in the engine bay. ;) my3rdskyline 10-21-2004, 06:53 PM i will not say anything.......wait go read the thread called "gtr", the vq35de is nothing compared to the rb26dett if you are doing mods. how much Hp is the VQ35 capable of? The new GTR due to come in 07 might change that. that's totally unfair. No shit the RB26 is more modable today. how many years has it been out? how many companys have full on books full of aftermarket parts for that engine? ...... Just give the new motor some time. That's all I'm saying. jmrev 10-21-2004, 08:20 PM that's totally unfair. No shit the RB26 is more modable today. how many years has it been out? how many companys have full on books full of aftermarket parts for that engine? ...... Just give the new motor some time. That's all I'm saying. VQUICK that is the point im trying to make. You can get alot of Hp out of the Vq engine, but whats going to be easier and cheaper? Rb engines.:thumbsup: nismo_power 10-21-2004, 11:26 PM VQUICK that is the point im trying to make. You can get alot of Hp out of the Vq engine, but whats going to be easier and cheaper? Rb engines.:thumbsup: what are you smokin?! whats going to be easier and cheaper is still the VQ engine. they have been out in the US for over a decade. the RB...you still need to import parts from japan either way you look at it. when put straight foward....nissan (as much as you may hate it) made a wise desicion switching to a v6. GTR_driver 10-22-2004, 01:03 AM have you ever heard of *gasp* lowering the compression?! I was not looking at it in that way. I was looking at straight bolt-ons. Of course you can lower the comp, but is your avg car guy going to go through the trouble of popping off the head and remove material? What is the best thread to read up on the VQ35? my3rdskyline 10-22-2004, 01:11 AM I was not looking at it in that way. I was looking at straight bolt-ons. Of course you can lower the comp, but is your avg car guy going to go through the trouble of popping off the head and remove material? What is the best thread to read up on the VQ35? then your probably not going to be running aftermarket internals either. jmrev 10-22-2004, 12:34 PM A VQ35de is cheaper to modifie? then an RB26 engine? VQuick 10-22-2004, 12:47 PM I was not looking at it in that way. I was looking at straight bolt-ons. Well, that's fairly obvious. An engine with forced induction from the factory will have better gain from bolt ons than a somewhat similar engine(in cylinders and displacement) under normal aspiration. What is the best thread to read up on the VQ35? There isn't really a thread, per se. Just try searching for tidbits here and there. VQUICK that is the point im trying to make. You can get alot of Hp out of the Vq engine, but whats going to be easier and cheaper? Rb engines. what are you smokin?! whats going to be easier and cheaper is still the VQ engine. they have been out in the US for over a decade. the RB...you still need to import parts from japan either way you look at it. when put straight foward....nissan (as much as you may hate it) made a wise desicion switching to a v6. There are lots of things to consider if one wanted to swap an RB into a G35. When you examine those factors, keeping the VQ is more practical in the long run. Spare parts are quite plentiful for the VQ in the US. You can go to a junkyard on the cheap, if you have to. The engines themselves aren't really in demand, and I've heard of Pathfinder-spec(gen 2 VQ, not gen 3 like the G35) VQ35 longblocks being available for $500. The 3L blocks(gen 1) might be even cheaper, and soon, 4L blocks will be available. There might be a few RB parts distributors in the US like Motorex, but that's about it. Even if you go to Nissan dealer, you'll probably end up waiting for parts to be shipped over. If dealers typically don't carry certain parts for a JP-spec SR20, how much more so for an RB, an engine that was never sold in the US! The VQ is emissions legal, and might still be with forced induction. The RB doesn't really have a prayer at passing emissions, especially in modded form. Under forced induction, the VQ won't have to run as much boost as an RB to make the same power. The extra .9L of displacement really starts working for you, and even gives you more torque than an RB of a similar hp level. The RB does rev more however, so you have a bit more of a powerband to work with. The aftermarket for the RB is huge...in Japan. It's pretty small in the US, what with only 100 or so Skylines here(legally), and a growing number of RB-swapped 240SXs. The aftermarket for the VQ has been around for a while(due to the Maxima), and is still growing. You guys talk about turbocharging, and admittedly, the kits are a bit pricey at around $6k. However, don't forget there are superchargers available for less than $4k. You could weigh that cost almost evenly against buying an RB26 to swap into a G35. That's just an immediate cost comparison. In the long run, the VQ starts to make much more sense. The supercharged G35 will likely still pass emissions and make more power...don't forget the RB26 probably hasn't been tuned, and is making about 340hp at most(if you have an R34 version). It could be less once the swap is done. Your final output will depend on the intake and exhaust you end up using, among other things. 'But, but, you can like, totally tune the RB26 to like, 1,000hp and stuffs!!11!!1!!11' you say. Sure. But do you really think you're going to be able to use that on the street? It's probably safe to say that very few, if any, of the GT-Rs making that much power in Japan are daily drivers. Are you going to be able to afford building the engine up to that level? What about building up the rest of the car? This is just a G35, after all. Are you going to be able to afford another car as a daily driver? Another issue is handling. The G35's weight distribution and curb weight were pretty good with the VQ. Using an RB throws that off quite a bit. The RB is longer(I6 is ~2x as long as a V6) than the VQ. It will take a lot of underhood work rearranging things to get the RB on the axle line like the VQ, and that means more labor cost from the mechanic doing the swap. Even if the RB can be positioned to keep a 'Front Mid-Engined' layout, weight distribution is still off. Why? The iron block RB weighs more(~200lbs) than the aluminum block VQ. The RB won't be legal by any stretch of the imagination(engine older than the car, not emissions legal, etc), and you won't have a warranty. The dealer you got the G35 from could be somewhat mod-friendly, and take care of things not related to the supercharger. If the supercharger was from Stillen, for example, you get a warranty from them as well. It's highly doubtful you'll get any kind of warranty on an RB swap from the shop that did the work, let alone be able to keep the factory warranty on the G35. jmrev 10-22-2004, 01:18 PM Ill tell you one thing. If i ever get a G35, I would never swap out anything. The other day i saw a 350z with an SR20. VQuick 10-22-2004, 04:01 PM Ill tell you one thing. If i ever get a G35, I would never swap out anything. The other day i saw a 350z with an SR20. There's a Z33 with an SR sponsored by Motorex for the Formula Drift series. It wasn't bad. Sounded different, and I wondered why they kept a dual exit exhaust. jmrev 10-22-2004, 04:05 PM the vq engine is perfect for the 350z, strong torquey v6. I wondered why in the world would you swap in a 4cyl in a car such as big as the 350z, looking at it, demands v6 or i6. I think import tuner had that car. nismo_power 10-22-2004, 05:46 PM the vq engine is perfect for the 350z, strong torquey v6. I wondered why in the world would you swap in a 4cyl in a car such as big as the 350z, looking at it, demands v6 or i6. I think import tuner had that car. because an sr20det is one of the most powerful 4 cylinder engines on the market. VQuick 10-22-2004, 06:42 PM because an sr20det is one of the most powerful 4 cylinder engines on the market. Motorex probably had more aftermarket parts available(they sell parts, not just cars) for the SR than the VQ, anyway. my3rdskyline 10-22-2004, 07:51 PM because an sr20det is one of the most powerful 4 cylinder engines on the market. agreed, there are also a fare share of SR20 powered skylines over here. the few people that use skylines as drift cars usually do this. jmrev 10-22-2004, 08:32 PM yes if your going to drift the sr20 is a great engine. And its also one of the best 4cyl. engines of all time. So is the VQ engine, my question remains: why? nismo_power 10-23-2004, 02:40 AM Motorex probably had more aftermarket parts available(they sell parts, not just cars) for the SR than the VQ, anyway. alot of domestic tuner companies have parts available for the sr20, because it is actually a very common engine in the US, even though its not available here. the number of sr20's far outweighs the number of rb2x series....which is why my statement remains, parts for the rb are VERY VERY hard to find from domestic US companies. which is why the need for import of parts. parts for the VQ are going to be pretty easy to find here. although, they mostly wont be comming from popular import names such as HKS (although they DO have parts for vq's), GReddy, Injen or any of the like. GTES-t 10-23-2004, 03:06 PM alot of domestic tuner companies have parts available for the sr20, because it is actually a very common engine in the US, even though its not available here. The SR20 was available in the us, the DE. It was in the Infiniti G20 (Nissan Primera in Japan), granted it was not a turbo, but the non-turbo and turbo SR have more interchangable parts then the other turbo/non-turbo engines Nissan made. One of the reasons SR20DET's are desired so much for drift cars in the US and Japan is the fact that it's high power output, up with the RB20/25 depending on the different gen (red top/black top/etc.), with a lower weight (not only due to size, but also being an aluminum block). The shorter length also means not spreading the weight further forward, which means better weight balance. And to top it off, higher torque output which is better for the power-over traction loss. jmrev 10-23-2004, 07:41 PM also in some sentras. ridebmx 10-24-2004, 05:07 PM so what you'll are saying is that the infiniti is the same as the skyline well i dont think so, I know for sure that the skyline has the rb26det/dett motor in it & i dont think that the infiniti has that motor nismo_power 10-24-2004, 07:02 PM so what you'll are saying is that the infiniti is the same as the skyline well i dont think so, I know for sure that the skyline has the rb26det/dett motor in it & i dont think that the infiniti has that motor only GT-Rs had the rb26dett, and it was only offered twin turbo, not single turbo. the infiniti g35 is the new skyline (basically). search function = your friend. and theres no way around it, the g35 is basically the new skyline. yet another example of kids that only think the GT-Rs are skylines. my3rdskyline 10-24-2004, 07:37 PM I know for sure that the skyline has the rb26det runner up for best quote nismo_power 10-24-2004, 11:30 PM yea.....i think my sig takes the cake when it comes to smart quotes. thegladhatter 10-25-2004, 02:18 AM The SR20 was available in the us, the DE. It was in the Infiniti G20 (Nissan Primera in Japan), granted it was not a turbo, but the non-turbo and turbo SR have more interchangable parts then the other turbo/non-turbo engines Nissan made. Unfortunately the front wheel drive SR20 is NOT the same as it's rear wheel counterpart. GTES-t 10-25-2004, 05:34 PM Yes, the fwd/rwd SR20's are different (exhaust manifold, etc.). But not so drastically that the parts are not interchangable. The timing chain, water pump and several other parts available for US SR20's can be used. Mainly the basic parts required to maintain an imported SR20DET in the US. (I'm talking about regular maintenance, not burnt pistons, thrown rods, etc.) That's the interchangeable parts I'm speaking of. Now there several parts that aren't: The DET has oil squirter piston coolers, bigger oil pump, different front pulley, lower compression pistons (8.3:1 vs 9.5:1), bigger injectors (should be obvious), direct ignition, variable intake cam, runs retarded at idle, advanced mid range and retarded top end, and mechanical shim in bucket type lifters with a slightly bigger in duration exhaust cam. But compare this list to interchangeable RB parts available in the US... oh yeah, the RB isn't in the US. That was the point I was making. jmrev 10-25-2004, 09:25 PM Since one is vertical and the other is horizontal. vBulletin®, Copyright ©2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
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