250hp to wheels of integ gsr?

A lot of people have threads saying how to get a certain amount of hp to a car. Well I need some help on my car, I have a 97 integra gsr with apexi exhaust and short ram injen intake and I want to get my car a 13sec. that means I would need about 250hp to the wheels. I do not want to use supercharger, turbo or nitros, would it be possilbe just motor?

250 whp for all motor is HARD TO GET! Its really expensive. You can see 210whp and get into the 12s with slicks. My boy got into the high 12s with just close to having 200whp. He was 3hp short (197). Also your integra is heavier than most civics.

Heres my boys dyno...

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=993338

He has hondata but it wasn't installed. If he got his hondata in and tuned..he would've seen somewhere in the 210s.

250whp is... You shouldn't need that much to hit 13's, but I'm not realy a track expert. I know your car might not be real streetable at the HP.

Nope you dont really need much to hit 13s. Integras are heavy though. So its gonna take a little more.

So what is the first step in getting my car into the 12s or 13s? I already got exhaust, intake and getting headers!

I would go to camshafts next. You will need valve springs and retainers too. Your stock ones wont hold up. You have a GS-R right. If you have VTEC I would go with Skunk2. For the money, I don't think there are better vtec cams. Most will tell you to go with Toda or Jun, but I promise, you'll be happy with the Skunk2's. You can also raise comp by getting a set of jdm ITR pistons. You could even go with the CTR pistons, or JE pistons. Unorthodox Pulleys will also be good. New intake manifold, ext, ext ext... You have alot of options. You have a great engine to work with. Just start with camshafts/camgears and go from there. Good luck and keep us posted....fISH

Or you can just buy the fully built motors from www.importbuilders.com (http://www.importbuilders.com)

Its really expensive but these guys definitely know what they're doin. I dont see the need for aftermarket pulleys unless u go all out and balance your motor. The thing is, with all motor, you need bigger displacement. I would get the 2.0 stroker kit to get that nice torque. Skunk2 is definitely worth the money. TODA is way overpriced. Jun3 only gained one hp over the skunk2 stage 2 cams. The highest compression to run on pump gas is 12:1 but its still risky. Depends on how well its tuned.

yes i also agree. skunk stage 1 cams are awesome. wakes up your vtec alot. i have some and i gained 13whp from 6000 to 8700 went from 178whp to 191whp tuned w/hondata.i have them for sale for$550. they have 220mls. on them. i would recommend supertech valvetrain. stay away from skunk2 valves.
also should consider slicks. i would buy 22" not only will you have alot better 60'ft. the 22" will shorten up the gears making you faster in the 1/4. compared to your 195/55/15 wich are about 23.7"

Thank you guys, I will keep you guys posted and if you have any ideas on helping me get my gsr to 12s or 13s hit me up!

Get LSD ;)

individual throttle bodies, drool!

Those should be done last. After the motor is fully modded...

Integras are heavy though.

I hate you :p

Eh you can't handle the truth huh? ;)

Yes, Integras are heavy, but they look so dam nice!

Bah. You're basically shoving my lude's weight problem in my face :p

If teg's are heavy, my lude must be a fucking boat. :icon16:


...the rx7 on the other hand :naughty:

You guys say that 250HP will make your a car a 12sec car, i think you guys will need more than that to run 12s

You guys say that 250HP will make your a car a 12sec car, i think you guys will need more than that to run 12s


Nope. The only problem he has is weight. Its still doable though.

You guys say that 250HP will make your a car a 12sec car, i think you guys will need more than that to run 12s

Power to Weight ratio.

kitted b18bt, that picture cracks me up everytime, haha, "vtec just kicked in yo!"

You guys say that 250HP will make your a car a 12sec car, i think you guys will need more than that to run 12s

It will be up to the driver, but with a good driver and slicks, should be no problem.

Got Frank inside? no matter what you did for 250 hp, you would need to build up engine internals because that is wayyy over stock. you would at minimum need new rod bolts (arp bolts) so you dont blow a rod. But 250 all motor would be really hard to get and expensive. Maybe you could crank out 250 hp with an H23 swap with an H22 head with domed pistons and cams.

I need some help again, I have been posting a similar thread on nwhonda.net forum about headers. This guy name Scott thinks that with the money on spending on a header I could be getting something else to increase the performance on my car, he quotes "A header is a bad idea to start out your modifications.

#1. Different designs in headers shift the powerband to the high rpms, or mid range.

There's no need (as proven by Import Tuner's test of a DC Sports header) to replace the stock header....YET.... Buy some other modifications that produce more power and gain you horsepower throughout the powerband. A lightweight flywheel can DRASTICALLY reduce your 1/4 mile times, more so than a header. You could gain more horsepower for free by advancing your timing and running premium fuel. Putting a header on would be absolutely useless for you and your stock motor. Pistons, intake manifold, cams, lightweight flywheel, lightweight pulleys, cam gears, an intake, take your pick. save a little more money and buy something actually worth your money. Then down the road a year, when your motor is built how you want it, buy a header." I don't know if I should get headers untill later after iv done enough mods so that a header will make a difference. Should I get header or something else?

Hes actually right. Header doesn't really do much until you get more mods done to it. Its not really a bad idea getting header now but its up to you.

hes got a point. a header isnt gonna give you drastic performance results cause its only freeing up a some horsepower thats all ready there. but same with intake,exhaust,intake manifold,flywheel,pullie. i think good power for the money is aggressive camshafts. expecially on dohc.
this will ad hp rather than freeing up hp.
you really dont need a header tell you have more hp, just intake and exhaust will help out hp restriction enough tell you get more hp.

with a header you wont free up that much more power. in import tuner they did a stock gsr power page. and they only added i/h/e. the intake got like 2whp 2tq, header got like 1whp 1tq and the exhaust got like 2hp 2tq.
when you have alot more hp then a header will give alot more power. like if you had a stock gsr w/ just i/h and slapped on a 75shot n2o then put on a header, you'll gain like 10whp from the header alone.

another example is a jg edelbrock im. when i put mine on i had it tuned and lost 4tq and gained 6whp. not really worth it if you dont have the power for it. but the guy who tunes my car has 620whp 420wtq with fully built gsr turbo and and upgraded from a stock gsr im to a jg edelbrock and picked up 30whp.
so anyway, i think you should save up for skunk2 stage1 cams(they'll make power to 8500rpm's) and save for supertech valvetrain. then consider a header.

Thanks for the tip I will go for camshafts but their are different stage camshafts? What is the difference b/t the numbers?

It will mostly depend on the brand, but for the most part stage one cams will give you mild improvements and a slightly higher safe rpm level, while maintaining the same idle. Stage two will give greater gains and a slightly higher idle. (This is usauly the best way to go) Stage three will be an all race set up and not good for daily driving and street.
Keep in mind, this could be different depending on the brand of camshafts, but the is the genaral idea.

you only need a header once you've done something to where the stock header is restrictive to the amount of airflow your producing after the given mod

having said this i think your money is best spent some where else

cams are my next stop on my GSR.... good luck with your teggy :)

I decided to go with intake manifold, so far I heard skunk2 is the best for my car, does anyone have any other suggestions?

Skunk2 is good but i've also heard that Victor X is good also. Both are good choice.

victor x over skunk 2 is what many have told me

Yeh but its also more expensive.

skunk2 im =all motor
jg edelbrock=turbo

Either one can be used for N/A and FI

get a k20a2, will run 13's all day long n/a

You know what if you want like 250whp then maybe just simple things like Toda Spec B cams, cam pulleys,retainers,and ITB. Honda headers are good already. if u want to upgrade the headers then go with Mugen since the owner is the son of Honda so it would be reasonable. also spoon sport are good. some high compression pistons would be good. and Go on teh dyno and tune it up. with hondata or something i guess.fuel injectors and pump and what not and other small things to increase those extra ponies

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