Taken from Best Car magazine.

The front looks similar to the new Nissan Fuga and Infiniti M35/45.
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1fullcar.jpg
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1headlights.jpg

The rear seems to be taking cues from the CPV35.
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1rear.jpg
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1taillights.jpg

The revised FM platform, which will likely be the basis for the upcoming GT-R.
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1platform.jpg

The new top level engine, a VQ41DE with 330ps or ~325hp. Could a turbocharged version of this be used in the GT-R? The VQ25De and VQ35DE will probably continue to be used.
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1engine.jpg

A comparison of the V36's engine with the next generation Altezza's new V6.
http://www.ksgarage.jp/Misc/1specs1.jpg

According to the end of this blurb from Skylines Australia, expect a sporting coupe version to slot in under the GT-R.
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/7664/R36.gif

Doesn't look half bad.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_32/car_portal_pic_16467.jpg
that isnt the new r36....
Also unveiled was the luxurious Fuga V6. The 3.5-litre petrol-engined executive challenger is set to spearhead the UK introduction of Nissan's upmarket Infiniti brand in 2008.
--- thats from motoring news

No, that is the Nissan Fuga...not the Skyline/G35. The Fuga will be the Infiniti M35/45 in the US.

I don't get it, can someone explain me what the yellow paper is talking about ?

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO V8! I feel like being passed up by the SR20DET all over again, exept it's a million times worse. Please mr. Ghosn, if your reading this, don't make me import an R-34 to get my twin turbo goodness. But seriosly, I feal Nissan will loose a devout following if they put a V8 into of all things, a GT-R.

... Who cares Bishop?

It will still have Super HICAS (HIgh Capacity Actice Steering... Or 4wheel steering) and Im sure will also have ATTESSA-ETS (Advanced Total Traction Engineering System for All - Electronic Torque Split). So tell me why it matters what engine it has?

Some people say 'its not a Skyline without an RB under the hood'... Um... Ok.

Skylines didnt always have RB's in them... Hell, some even had four-bangers under the bonnet. But they're not Skylines anyways... Because they dont have an RB, right? Pffff... No

I mean if it really bugs you that much... Just swap in a JDM Spec powertrain ( VQ30DETT [is it 30, or 35 VQuick? ). It will be expensive, but hey anything for your 'twin turbo goodness' right? Even wasting thousands of dollars I suppose.

Just stay with the V8 (if you ever get one, that is)... Its not that big of a deal.

Who cares if the powertrains differ from earlier models? Things need to change from time to time. I for one, have been saving up for years so I can get a GTR when she comes to the states. I really dont care how it looks.

Anyways, great pictures VQuick, and great information. Keep it coming!

( O you have to love how they refer to America as 'Yankland' :lol: )

-Wes

good point

I don't get it, can someone explain me what the yellow paper is talking about ?

The yellow is a clip talking about the upcoming GT-R. At the bottom however, there is a tidbit about a high performance Skyline coupe that will slot in under the GT-R. That's why I included it.

Please mr. Ghosn, if your reading this, don't make me import an R-34 to get my twin turbo goodness. But seriosly, I feal Nissan will loose a devout following if they put a V8 into of all things, a GT-R.

I suppose there is still a chance that the US would get the twin-turbo VQ, but don't count on it. If you look at the big picture, the V8 will be better anyway. Not only is it a simpler setup(probably won't be FI) for those who would keep the car stock, but it offers more potential for the folks who want to mod it.

The 'devout following' you refer to is likely made up mostly of people who wouldn't be able to afford the car in the first place(projected price tag of $70k). Most folks who would be in the market for an Infiniti sports car of the GT-R's caliber wouldn't mind, or would possibly even prefer a V8.

It will still have Super HICAS (HIgh Capacity Actice Steering... Or 4wheel steering) and Im sure will also have ATTESSA-ETS (Advanced Total Traction Engineering System for All - Electronic Torque Split).

Well...I dunno about the Super HICAS. The GT-R probably won't have the ATTESSA-ETS/PRO. According to some info skylineGTR_Guy posted in my GT-R thread, the car will have e-4WD, a faster-reacting, lighter system. It just uses motors on the front wheels and eliminates the need for driveshafts.

Just swap in a JDM Spec powertrain ( VQ30DETT [is it 30, or 35 VQuick? ). It will be expensive, but hey anything for your 'twin turbo goodness' right? Even wasting thousands of dollars I suppose.

Just stay with the V8 (if you ever get one, that is)... Its not that big of a deal.

I'm not sure about the displacement. The last I heard was 3.2L. Of course, this info about a VQ41 for the V36 makes me think Nissan would be wise to put the extra displacement to use in the GT-R. I mean, shoot, the VQ41 V6 would be bigger than some V8s on the market. The VH V8 was just 4.1L at one point.


Seriously though, you can look at how the V36 might turn out. With a 325hp VQ41DE, it'll have about as much power as the R34 GT-R was rumored to have(320-340hp). The current CPV35 Skyline Coupe can already outperform the R34 GT-R in certain areas(handling). The CPV36 will be even better. This means you can expect the GT-R to be a fantastic machine.

Thanks VQuick...

I dont know... A projected $70,000+ for a mid-horse power machine doesnt seem at all worth it... Still, I will snatch one up as soon as it gets off the flatbed.

Im typically a pretty level headed guy when it comes to making discissions pertaining to spending money... But I dont care in this case.

"Put me on whatever payment plan you need, Im getting this damn car!"

God I cant wait guys... Cant wait.

-Wes

Whoe cares? Apparently me. First off you seem to imply that I said that the only motor that belongs in a GT-R is an RB. I didn't say that. Second, if I was to go out and purchase a brand new sports car, I'm sure as hell am not gonna blow further money to swap in a motor that by most means should originally had been under the hood to begin with. Third, yes I know that skylines in the past have had four cylinder engines but the GT-R is known here in the states for having a six cylinder twin turbo engine, not an four and not an eight. Case in point, chevy didn't put turboed flat six's in theyre vettes that were released in germany just because thats what the country is familiar seeing in cars. The reason why? The vette is known for its big displacement V8 and the peaple that do bye it, bye it for that reason. Same thing with the evo. When mitsubishi released the evo here in the states, they didn't put a galant V6 engine in it just because thats what peaple here are familiar in seeing, they put the I4 turbo'd engine in it because thats what that sedan is known for. If car manufacturers just released what peaple are familiar with, we all be driving mustangs. And change certainly isn't always a good thing, just look at the third gen sebring' err eclipse, it doesnt have any of the recognition that the older DSM's have. Oh, and if what VQuick said had any truth about the devout following for the GT-R not being able to afford a price like 70K, then motorex would have gone under long ago. And to push my point, if Porsche had taken the 911 turbo "what the gtr is targeting" and just through in a V8, that car would not be whear it is today in the states. Not to to mention you couldn't call it a 911 turbo. I just don't see Nissan puting a v8 into the GT-R in the states just under some ussumption like it's easier to work on or it's less complicated. Have you ever herd a mechanic complain about working on a Porsche flat six, I have but that never stopped porsche from producing them appairently. Oh, and the last I herd the displacement for the GT-R VQ motor will be a 3.2L displacement.

There is more to a car than its engine.
If thats all you see then you need to get out and learn how to drive.

Whoe cares? Apparently me.
Okay, fine.

First off you seem to imply that I said that the only motor that belongs in a GT-R is an RB. I didn't say that.
I still can't shake the feeling that you'd be drooling all over yourself if Nissan decided to reintroduce the RB. ;)

Second, if I was to go out and purchase a brand new sports car, I'm sure as hell am not gonna blow further money to swap in a motor that by most means should originally had been under the hood to begin with.
Fine. Then buy the V8, or buy something else. One customer isn't going to make or break Infiniti.

Third, yes I know that skylines in the past have had four cylinder engines but the GT-R is known here in the states for having a six cylinder twin turbo engine, not an four and not an eight.
And? If the GT-R is going to sell in the states as a sports car under a luxury brand, it really needs to appear high-class. A six isn't going to do that. Nissan already tried it in the UK, and failed dismally. It doesn't work.

Case in point, chevy didn't put turboed flat six's in theyre vettes that were released in germany just because thats what the country is familiar seeing in cars. The reason why? The vette is known for its big displacement V8 and the peaple that do bye it, bye it for that reason.
Well, it's not like GM just had a turbo flat six motor lying around, either. :lol: It would have made sense not to develop an entirely new engine for a different market. Guess what? That's what Nissan would be doing with the V8.

Same thing with the evo. When mitsubishi released the evo here in the states, they didn't put a galant V6 engine in it just because thats what peaple here are familiar in seeing, they put the I4 turbo'd engine in it because thats what that sedan is known for.
This example is almost identical, except that it would have taken more development to cram a 3.8L V6 into an Evo's engine bay. More development=more money. Besides, the next gen Eclipse is supposed to get the V6. The lineup would have looked stupid. Oh, and the Evo would have been slow. :cwm27:

If car manufacturers just released what peaple are familiar with, we all be driving mustangs. And change certainly isn't always a good thing, just look at the third gen sebring' err eclipse, it doesnt have any of the recognition that the older DSM's have.
You just said people are familiar with GT-Rs having twin turbo six cylinder engines. Guess what? With a V8 GT-R, Nissan wouldn't be realeasing what people are familiar with then, would they?

Oh, and if what VQuick said had any truth about the devout following for the GT-R not being able to afford a price like 70K, then motorex would have gone under long ago.
Check out their Skyliine sales. 'Nuff said. FYI, Motorex has other products to sell, so they'll probably be fine.

And to push my point, if Porsche had taken the 911 turbo "what the gtr is targeting" and just through in a V8, that car would not be whear it is today in the states. Not to to mention you couldn't call it a 911 turbo.
Well Porsche is going to have to do something eventually. They are close to the displacment limit on the flat six. Right now, the V8 wouldn't fit anyway. If the V8 from the 928 had received more support, there's no telling where Porsche might be today.


I just don't see Nissan puting a v8 into the GT-R in the states just under some ussumption like it's easier to work on or it's less complicated.
In addition to that, a V8 is more in line with what an Infinti customer would buy. Enthusiasts will not be the only ones buying this car. There are consumers out there who wouldn't even know their engine codes. They would look at a V6 GT-R, Infiniti's supposed halo car, and be wondering why almost every other Infiniti model is available with a V8. That will look bad to them.

Have you ever herd a mechanic complain about working on a Porsche flat six, I have but that never stopped porsche from producing them appairently.
Porsche really doesn't have anything else up their sleeve, when you think about it. They have a V8 from the Cayenne that probably wouldn't fit into the 911 in the first place, and the Carerra GT's V10, which is even bigger. Nissan does have other options, and they are going to use them.

Well said VQuick...

And Bishop... I wasnt implying anything about what you said. There have been people I've spoken with in the past who try and say the only engine that belongs in a Skyline is an RB... Which is damn arrogant.

Thats the point I was making.

This new Skyline coming out is like ones first born son... You love it regardless :lol:

-Wes

Some of you must be here just to disagree with peaple. But I guess that would put me amongst my own kind. First off Moppie, yes I am aware that theres more to a car than it's engine, thats why I can't stand when peaple sing the praises of camaros, mustangs or some other strictly drag car. Oh and ASS, I do know how to drive and have several friends that are frequint autocrossers. Now for you VQuick. I can't help it if you can't get over what you think I mighta implyed even though didn't on the subject of the RB motors. You putting words in my mouth isn't gonna proove your point to me. The fact is I do love the RB but I also realize that regulations do change and emmesions do become a pain but the VQ32DETT has more in commone with the RB26 than an 5.6L V8 ever would. And since the new VQ from what I'v read has redesigned turbo's that will allow it to pass such requirements, I don't see why it would pass up the U.S. market. Oh and who said it would just one customer. And as far as to appearing high class, I'v never herd owners of G35's bitchin about how theyre cars don't have V8's, or owners of M3's or Porsche Boxters. It seems to me within each of theyre respectable price ranges that all these cars are doing more than "work" for theyre buyres. And please refresh me of this huge failure in the U.K. and why it didn't work. And as far as youre reply to my remark about the evo, that is just more proof that squezing a V8 into a already cramp G35 platform will most likely not work or happen. I did intend for my evo remark to be identical with the vette remark being that it was an industry comparisson, I'm sorry that you didn't get that. And as far the evo being slower with a galant motor, yea, it would had bean and same can be said with titan V8 being in a GT-R. Well, not slow but it wouldn't have the potentiall for power or speed that the VG would have. Case in point, which has more potentiall, a supra twin turbo or a lexus SC400. If you say the SC, I'm gonna fall over in dissapointment. It's not that the SC cant be or isn't fast, it's just that motor whyse the 2JZ has far more potentioll for more power. Thats why the SC platform is popular for 2JZ swaps, that and it fits pretty dam well in the chassis's platform. Also there is a difference between being familiar with a car, and being devoted. And as far as the motorex comment is concerned, without three generations of Skyline and all theyre trims, it'll be pretty hard to be big on S15's and SR20's alone. Now when I got to youre porsche comment I about died laughing. Porsche has spent millions on developing these engines and the platforms the reside in, now if they do throw a 8 cylinder engine into theyre rear mounted chariots you just can give me a call at 1-800-notafatchance. They have already killed off the one V8 in theyre line up some time ago and they have achieved a incredible balance in both power to weight and weight distribution. If they were to put a V8 into theyre rear mounted lineup those cars would spin like tops down the freeway. Porsche doesn't win lemans races with V8's and you don't give me any reason why they would confirm over. So tell me again, why would they do this again. And as far as your comment on the infiniti v8 is concerned, being a six shooter has not hurt porshe or BMW in theyre status seeking crowd of buyers.
Now finally to you Samhain, I agree 100% about how peaple can arrogant about the loss of the beloved RB. And you know what, your propabably right about loving this beast when its released, I am greatly enjoying how they'll likely to use the Fuga style head lamps to return the cars cat eye styling cues. I would just love it even more if it were to receave the same engine that the rest of the world is going to receive. It would be different if everybody received V8's instead.

Now for you VQuick. I can't help it if you can't get over what you think I mighta implyed even though didn't on the subject of the RB motors. You putting words in my mouth isn't gonna proove your point to me. The fact is I do love the RB but I also realize that regulations do change and emmesions do become a pain but the VQ32DETT has more in commone with the RB26 than an 5.6L V8 ever would.
So basically, I made a guess, I was right, but it was wrong to do so.


And since the new VQ from what I'v read has redesigned turbo's that will allow it to pass such requirements, I don't see why it would pass up the U.S. market.
Status. You have to understand marketing. A V6 in a luxury brand's flagship car is looked down upon. Look at Acura. Although sales weren't downright horrible, their stubborn use of a V6 in the Legend/RL keeps it from being considered a true competitor to the likes of the Lexus LS and Infiniti Q45.

Oh and who said it would just one customer.
I said you would be just one customer...unless you were planning on buying two.

And as far as to appearing high class, I'v never herd owners of G35's bitchin about how theyre cars don't have V8's, or owners of M3's or Porsche Boxters. It seems to me within each of theyre respectable price ranges that all these cars are doing more than "work" for theyre buyres.
The G35, and Boxster are entry level cars. Infiniti wants to keep the price down, and a V8 G45 would intrude on the M35/45, anyway. Porsche probably couldn't fit their V8 in the Boxster if they wanted to. The next M3 is getting a V8.

And please refresh me of this huge failure in the U.K. and why it didn't work.
Back in 1999, Nissan tried selling R34 GT-R's through dealers in the UK for a little under 50k Pounds. Only problem is, the Porsche 911 was just a few hundred Pounds more. Both cars had very similar performance. So what do you spend your 50k on? A Nissan? Or a Porsche? Nissan struggled to move 44 GT-Rs(out of a total allotment of 50). Porsche won the battle, and sold twice as many 911s...each month. That's why the GT-R will be an Infiniti, and also why it makes sense to have a V8.

And as far as youre reply to my remark about the evo, that is just more proof that squezing a V8 into a already cramp G35 platform will most likely not work or happen.
The V8 is already in use on the G35's version of the FM platform. Ever hear of the FX45?

I did intend for my evo remark to be identical with the vette remark being that it was an industry comparisson,
Well it wasn't quite identical. GM would have had to build a completely new engine to do what you were talking about. Mitsu would have had it easier, simply putting a production engine into the Evo.

Well, not slow but it wouldn't have the potentiall for power or speed that the VG would have.
How do you know?

Case in point, which has more potentiall, a supra twin turbo or a lexus SC400. If you say the SC, I'm gonna fall over in dissapointment. It's not that the SC cant be or isn't fast, it's just that motor whyse the 2JZ has far more potentioll for more power. Thats why the SC platform is popular for 2JZ swaps, that and it fits pretty dam well in the chassis's platform.
The Supra's 2JZGTE has better tunability because of aftermarket support. The 1UZFE in the SC400 has better potential in the end because of the bigger displacement. The same principle applies to the VQ vs. the RB. The VQs will almost always be bigger than the RBs, and will be able to produce more power and torque in the end. A VK V8 will be capable of even more than a VQ.

And as far as the motorex comment is concerned, without three generations of Skyline and all theyre trims, it'll be pretty hard to be big on S15's and SR20's alone.
That's why they sell things for 350Zs and Evos as well.

Now when I got to youre porsche comment I about died laughing. Porsche has spent millions on developing these engines and the platforms the reside in, now if they do throw a 8 cylinder engine into theyre rear mounted chariots you just can give me a call at 1-800-notafatchance.
Where did I say Porsche would do such a thing? They'll have to do something soon, since the flat-six supposedly has a displacement limit of about 3.6-3.8L. Who knows what they will do.

Porsche doesn't win lemans races with V8's and you don't give me any reason why they would confirm over.
Porsche didn't win any races with a V10, but that didn't stop them from putting one in the Carrera GT. ;)

And as far as your comment on the infiniti v8 is concerned, being a six shooter has not hurt porshe or BMW in theyre status seeking crowd of buyers.
Of course it hasn't hurt them yet. But then again, why are they moving up to V8s? Why did Porsche build the V8 Cayenne in the first place? Why are they rumored to be building a V8 sedan as well? Why did the E46 M3 GTR race car get a V8? Why is the next production BMW M3/M4 getting a V8? Why has a V8 been an option on the 5-series for years? Why is the 6/7-series not available with a six cylinder in the US?

So basically, I made a guess, I was right, but it was wrong to do so.

What the hell does that mean? Quit rambling.

Status. You have to understand marketing. A V6 in a luxury brand's flagship car is looked down upon. Look at Acura. Although sales weren't downright horrible, their stubborn use of a V6 in the Legend/RL keeps it from being considered a true competitor to the likes of the Lexus LS and Infiniti Q45.

Uh no, honda and acura are doing fine.Theyre not doing incredibally well world wide, but it's not like theyre going under any time soon. I promise you that.

I said you would be just one customer...unless you were planning on buying two.

You don't know my financial background, I could be buying a dozen for all you know, assuming it has the engine I want and the looks that kill.

Well it wasn't quite identical. GM would have had to build a completely new engine to do what you were talking about. Mitsu would have had it easier, simply putting a production engine into the Evo.

You don't know that, unlike mitsu, GM owns a number of car manufacturers with a number of engine layouts. Opel, Holden, Sabb, yea GM's if they wanted to, they coulda taken an engine from theyre lineup. Soppoesedly the next GTO, since it's so ugly, is gona receive a frame from opel in the future. Theyre doing this to give it a retro look, like the 05 mustangs.
How do you know?

Well as opposed to someone who omns a maxima, I own a Z32 TT, on that alone I believe I know a little more than you. Not to mention what you've been saying has been eather an "assumption" or a blind guess that has no merret. If you don't I own what I own, got to http://members.cardomain.com/twinturbofreaks Just look at the Z that's pushing 1000RWHP. It didn't need to have a V8 to push big numbers.

The Supra's 2JZGTE has better tunability because of aftermarket support. The 1UZFE in the SC400 has better potential in the end because of the bigger displacement. The same principle applies to the VQ vs. the RB. The VQs will almost always be bigger than the RBs, and will be able to produce more power and torque in the end. A VK V8 will be capable of even more than a VQ.

UH NO DUDE, it doesn't work that way. First off the reason that the 2JZ has the aftermarket it does and the SC doesn't IS BECAUSE OF THE ENGINE. It's the engine that is the reason why its so popular, it has waaayyyy more potentioll for power and balance than the SC would have. Yes you could put a supercharger, roots, centrifigal it don't matter, onto it. But at the same time you could do a turbo upgrade on the 2JZ and it would blow away the SC, and don't try to deny that. Not to mention the last time I checked there wasn't a lot of SC400's producing 900HP on a stock bottom end. The supra on the other hand has, and it's becoming more frequint. So why is the SC400 a better platform. Not to mention the V8 in the car throws off it's weight distribution and causes it's handling to suffer. Thats why the SC/Soarer that's in D1 uses a TURBOED INLINE SIX as opposed to the V8 that you swear is better, not by the FACTS I'v read.

That's why they sell things for 350Zs and Evos as well.

OH YEA! They'll make a LOT of money importing cars that are already available in the U.S. Thats just you once again ramblin without an justification. That doesn't work on me.

Where did I say Porsche would do such a thing? They'll have to do something soon, since the flat-six supposedly has a displacement limit of about 3.6-3.8L. Who knows what they will do.

Well you sure arn't gona be able to predict it. The company has like 20 defferent trims and versions of theyre cars in theyre lineup. All have six cylinder engines. If they do produce a v8 in theyre car line up it'll have to be front mounted on a all new platform. More than likely, it would be made AWD to compensate for it's weight distribution.

Porsche didn't win any races with a V10, but that didn't stop them from putting one in the Carrera GT.

Now youre just being cute, thats right the GT wasn't made to win lemans, It was made to be competitive in the highest class of cars possible, enzo, F1 but it does this without a V12 engine, further strengthening my stance that more cylinders is better. Try again.

Of course it hasn't hurt them yet. But then again, why are they moving up to V8s? Why did Porsche build the V8 Cayenne in the first place?

Uh, I don't think you relize this, but the Cayenne is an S.U.V. ,not a sports car. If you can't see that you need to quit now.

Why are they rumored to be building a V8 sedan as well?

Haven't herd of it.

Why is the next production BMW M3/M4 getting a V8? Why has a V8 been an option on the 5-series for years? Why is the 6/7-series not available with a six cylinder in the US?

I didn't say that BMW wouldnt use V8's in there line up. Thats just you "assuming" that I did, again. Not to mention it would fit in their line up. But I doubt it would be in theire premeir line up. Not to mention I haven't herd that rumor either.
Come VQuick, you could do better against me. I'll be waiting....

LOL! wow, VQuick sure thinks he knows everything. I was wondering why he kept bringing up the Cayenne, It's not even a sports car, I would hope they would throw a V8 into it, it's main purpose if for HAULING PEOPLE AROUND! :loser: OWNED! :evillol:

P.S. If he thinks a SC400 is better than a SUPRA I got like 4 friends with ETS of like 10, 11, and 12's. LOL! Come on VQuick, Don't make me come in on this, you won't like the results of a girl schooling you! :grinno:

So basically, I made a guess, I was right, but it was wrong to do so.
What the hell does that mean? Quit rambling.
What it means, in plain English, is that I was right in guessing that you preferred the RB.

Look at Acura. Although sales weren't downright horrible, their stubborn use of a V6 in the Legend/RL keeps it from being considered a true competitor to the likes of the Lexus LS and Infiniti Q45.

Uh no, honda and acura are doing fine.Theyre not doing incredibally well world wide, but it's not like theyre going under any time soon. I promise you that.
You have a reading problem.

I said you would be just one customer...unless you were planning on buying two.

You don't know my financial background, I could be buying a dozen for all you know, assuming it has the engine I want and the looks that kill.
I don't need to know your financial situation to know that you are only one person, and thus, one customer.

Well it wasn't quite identical. GM would have had to build a completely new engine to do what you were talking about. Mitsu would have had it easier, simply putting a production engine into the Evo.
You don't know that, unlike mitsu, GM owns a number of car manufacturers with a number of engine layouts. Opel, Holden, Sabb, yea GM's if they wanted to, they coulda taken an engine from theyre lineup. Soppoesedly the next GTO, since it's so ugly, is gona receive a frame from opel in the future. Theyre doing this to give it a retro look, like the 05 mustangs.
If you don't want me to make assumptions about your financial situation, it's only fair for me to ask you not to assume what I know. I am well aware that GM is a global company. However, none of those companies had an H6 engine at the time that could have been used in the Corvette. The closest thing is the 3L H6 that Subaru recently introduced, and it would hardly have been suitable for use in the Corvette.
GM's Zeta platform was originally engineered by Holden, but will be used for a variety of GM products, including Opel Insignia and the Holden/Vauxhall Monaro, which is the Australian market version of our Pontiac GTO.

How do you know?

Well as opposed to someone who omns a maxima, I own a Z32 TT, on that alone I believe I know a little more than you. Not to mention what you've been saying has been eather an "assumption" or a blind guess that has no merret. If you don't I own what I own, got to http://members.cardomain.com/twinturbofreaks Just look at the Z that's pushing 1000RWHP. It didn't need to have a V8 to push big numbers.
Again, don't assume what I know, especially based on what kind of car I drive. I don't need to visit a Cardomain site to know about the VG's potential. I regularly frequent the 'Past Zs' forum here, and live only minutes away from SGP, one of the leading Z32 tuners in the country.

It's certainly nice that you know what your car is capable of, but you haven't said anything about the VK V8. You say that it would be slower than a VG. How much slower? Will the VK's CVTC give it an advantage? How much NA potential is available? What about FI? Does anyone produce FI kits? Can the VK be stroked?

The Supra's 2JZGTE has better tunability because of aftermarket support. The 1UZFE in the SC400 has better potential in the end because of the bigger displacement. The same principle applies to the VQ vs. the RB. The VQs will almost always be bigger than the RBs, and will be able to produce more power and torque in the end. A VK V8 will be capable of even more than a VQ.
UH NO DUDE, it doesn't work that way. First off the reason that the 2JZ has the aftermarket it does and the SC doesn't IS BECAUSE OF THE ENGINE. It's the engine that is the reason why its so popular, it has waaayyyy more potentioll for power and balance than the SC would have. Yes you could put a supercharger, roots, centrifigal it don't matter, onto it. But at the same time you could do a turbo upgrade on the 2JZ and it would blow away the SC, and don't try to deny that. Not to mention the last time I checked there wasn't a lot of SC400's producing 900HP on a stock bottom end. The supra on the other hand has, and it's becoming more frequint. So why is the SC400 a better platform. Not to mention the V8 in the car throws off it's weight distribution and causes it's handling to suffer. Thats why the SC/Soarer that's in D1 uses a TURBOED INLINE SIX as opposed to the V8 that you swear is better, not by the FACTS I'v read.
Again, how would you know?

An easy reason to explain the aftermarket support would first be what kind of car is was, and what the engine was like. The Supra was a sports car. The Soarer/SC400 was a luxury coupe. The 1UZFE V8 was normally aspirated and more complex, typically needing two turbo manifolds and four cams. The 2JZ was already turbocharged, needed only one manifold, and two cams. Of course the aftermarket would begin catering to the simpler engine used in a sports car.

If the 2JZ is still such an excellent engine, why hasn't Toyota used it in the JGTC for years? They decided to use the 3SGTE I4 in their Supras, and now use the 4UZFE V8. Now why would they do something like that?

Again, you have a reading problem. I don't need to explain why the SC400 is a better platform, because I never said it was. I said the engine could be better. The 1UZFE offers more displacement, and has more cylinders to better distribute the stress of producing high outputs.

The 1UZFE is also constructed of aluminum, rather than iron like the 2JZGTE. Judging from the weight differences between Nissan's aluminum VK V8 and iron RB I6, the 1UZFE should actually be lighter than the 2JZGTE. The V8 is also shorter than the I6, which promotes better weight balance.

If you'd read the facts, you'd know that the JZ30 Soarer came with a 2.5L 1JZGTE I6, not the 1UZFE V8. :uhoh: Of course, D1GP driver Takahiro Ueno just upgraded to the 3L 2JZGTE. Why swap in a V8 with less aftermarket support and spare parts available, and that would require more custom work to install? Your comment holds no water.

What was that about knowing more than me? Oh that's right. You know more than me because you drive a Z32. My mistake.

That's why they sell things for 350Zs and Evos as well.

OH YEA! They'll make a LOT of money importing cars that are already available in the U.S. Thats just you once again ramblin without an justification. That doesn't work on me.
Once more, you have a reading problem. Apparently, posting in plain English doesn't work on you, either.

Porsche didn't win any races with a V10, but that didn't stop them from putting one in the Carrera GT.

Now youre just being cute, thats right the GT wasn't made to win lemans, It was made to be competitive in the highest class of cars possible, enzo, F1 but it does this without a V12 engine, further strengthening my stance that more cylinders is better. Try again.
There goes your reading problem again. The Carrera GT is a brand new car, so of course it would not have been used in racing. I am talking about its V10, which had been developed earlier and was never used in racing.

So, you're saying that more cylinders is better...but you like the Carrera GT because it competes with the Enzo and McLaren while having fewer cylinders?

Of course it hasn't hurt them yet. But then again, why are they moving up to V8s? Why did Porsche build the V8 Cayenne in the first place?

Uh, I don't think you relize this, but the Cayenne is an S.U.V. ,not a sports car. If you can't see that you need to quit now.
Oh, so now this discussion is only about sports cars? How convenient. No wonder you didn't comment on my point about the FX45.

Why are they rumored to be building a V8 sedan as well?

Haven't herd of it.
http://216.73.106.70/SP32-20040115-133041.jpg
http://216.73.106.70/SP32-20040114-091240.jpg
Now you have. A front-engined, V8 sedan, possibly with the name 928.

Why is the next production BMW M3/M4 getting a V8? Why has a V8 been an option on the 5-series for years? Why is the 6/7-series not available with a six cylinder in the US?

I didn't say that BMW wouldnt use V8's in there line up. Thats just you "assuming" that I did, again. Not to mention it would fit in their line up. But I doubt it would be in theire premeir line up. Not to mention I haven't herd that rumor either.
Come VQuick, you could do better against me. I'll be waiting....
Define "premeir line up." How is BMW's luxury flagship, the 7-series, not part of the premier lineup? What about the V8 E39 M5 that's come and gone already? What about halo cars like the upcoming M3/M4? Oh wait, you haven't "herd" of them, either. Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/bmwmnews/news/2003/09/26.html

Instead of waiting for me to reply, work on your reading skills. Probably half of the things you said were based on things you misread in my post. However, considering that you just learned how to make paragraphs in your last post, I might be asking too much.

LOL! wow, VQuick sure thinks he knows everything. I was wondering why he kept bringing up the Cayenne, It's not even a sports car, I would hope they would throw a V8 into it, it's main purpose if for HAULING PEOPLE AROUND! :loser: OWNED! :evillol:

P.S. If he thinks a SC400 is better than a SUPRA I got like 4 friends with ETS of like 10, 11, and 12's. LOL! Come on VQuick, Don't make me come in on this, you won't like the results of a girl schooling you! :grinno:

Wow, another Z32 turbo owner...from the San Antonio area...with a reading problem...and only one post. What a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Wow, another Z32 turbo owner...from the San Antonio area...with a reading problem...and only one post. What a coincidence. :rolleyes:

Dude, one suggestion. GET A LIFE! You are wrong :screwy: . I am not trying to sound mean or trying to start a fight but you are wrong. Hell if they threw a V8 in the skyline I would not buy one (they would cost too damn much!) The inline 6 was soo popular becuase not only the rich could afford it, jap. car's are about affordability/best bang for the buck DUAH! :banghead: . Why are you two even arguing, no one's a member of the Nissan corporation, thus you are not the one who is going to decide about the matter. Me with the reading problem :lol2: , YOU OWN A MAXMA :lol2: ! I OWN A SPORTS CAR! A HIGH END SPORTS CAR AT THAT! :loser: and one post, what a BITCH! :grinno: You know what that means, (I have a life, work on my car, HAVE A GOOD PAYING JOB instead of drawing fights on the internet every day :grinno: ) Your braincells must be in paucity. At least the Z32 owners pertinacious. Quit running you fat fingers, you might press too many keys at once, disableing yourself thus you can't drive your maxima! LOL! Now I am going to go drive my awesome highend car while you talk smack to yourself. Me with the reading problem LOL! :rofl: What a joke you are to me. Hey Bishiop why argue with this looser (i see how everyone else has left the matter) because VQuick is just pulling stuff out of his butt, he's the type that won't shut up, he want's to always win the argument (even though he is a looser). Turst me he will just deny that he was wrong and say that you have a reading problem. Hell that's what he has been doing all along. What a joke this is! :grinno: Please, have anymore stupid insults to throw at me just because I have 1 post, shure shows your stupidity. I migh only have one post but I have more than 300rwhp in my car. :naughty: Peace.

btw, dude you have WAY too much time on your hands! Get a girlfriend/guy whichever you perfer. Us Z owners like to fix/drive not play on the computer everyday. Whatever turns you on.

Dude, one suggestion. GET A LIFE! You are wrong :screwy: . I am not trying to sound mean or trying to start a fight but you are wrong.
Really? Please explain, oh wise one. If you have such a wonderful life with your Z32, why are you posting here?

Hell if they threw a V8 in the skyline I would not buy one (they would cost too damn much!)
Darn, if you won't buy one, I guess Nissan had better just change everything.

Why are you two even arguing, no one's a member of the Nissan corporation, thus you are not the one who is going to decide about the matter.
At least I have an article that says what might happen. :rofl: Bishop has nothing.

YOU OWN A MAXMA :lol2: !
Wow, you're on fire today. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

I OWN A SPORTS CAR! A HIGH END SPORTS CAR AT THAT!
A Z is not a high end car of any kind.

and one post, what a BITCH! :grinno: You know what that means,
It means you just registered today.

Turst me he will just deny that he was wrong and say that you have a reading problem.
Well both of you do have a reading and spelling problem. There's no denying that.

I migh only have one post but I have more than 300rwhp in my car. :naughty: Peace.
And that makes everything okay.

btw, dude you have WAY too much time on your hands! Get a girlfriend/guy whichever you perfer. Us Z owners like to fix/drive not play on the computer everyday. Whatever turns you on.
I don't need to fix my Maxima, so it leaves time to talk to my girl and refute nonsensical posts from Z32 owners who can't read.

O.K Dude,from what I'v read you obviosly don't care about the GT-R or it's history. Your sole porpose on here is to argue and to try to prove every body wrong. Peaple like obviosly hate peaple like me because I go on pages like this to have an intelligent conversation on cars, manufactures and predict what moves those companys are gonna make. You on the other hand come on here to try to prove yourself to everyone and to disagree with every one even if the answer to the subject in question is obviose, already been proven or is irellivent.

What it means, in plain English, is that I was right in guessing that you preferred the RB.

Wow, you can read minds?

You have a reading problem.

Uh, no. You have a problem in comprehension.

I don't need to know your financial situation to know that you are only one person, and thus, one customer.

The funny thing is you kinda answered that one yourself right here.

I said you would be just one customer...unless you were planning on buying two.

Yea, You just kinda whent in a big circle on that one, and I'm sure you ment to do that, right?

If you don't want me to make assumptions about your financial situation, it's only fair for me to ask you not to assume what I know.

FIRST OFF, you started the "assumption" game with me first. here-

I still can't shake the feeling that you'd be drooling all over yourself if Nissan decided to reintroduce the RB.

And further confermed youre inability to comprehend what others said here-

So basically, I made a guess, I was right, but it was wrong to do so.

I'm sorry if you don't beleive what say. If that is youre reason for continuing to argue with me, you got problems.

GM's Zeta platform was originally engineered by Holden, but will be used for a variety of GM products, including Opel Insignia and the Holden/Vauxhall Monaro, which is the Australian market version of our Pontiac GTO.

I'm fully aware what GM's produces and doesn't, I know what the godam GTO is because I confermed that earlier. And sence when does GM's own Subaru, the last time I was on theire site I didn't see a GMs logo anywhere.

Again, don't assume what I know, especially based on what kind of car I drive.

It sure does help, especially from what youve been saying.

I don't need to visit a Cardomain site to know about the VG's potential.

I'm sorry if youre in denial of what I own and you say you know the potentiall of a VG, even though you've been sitting there arguing that a run of a mill V8 has more potential, this once again confirms my suspicions that you just want to run your damn mouth.

I regularly frequent the 'Past Zs' forum here, and live only minutes away from SGP, one of the leading Z32 tuners in the country.

From what you've been saying, I'm in shock that you would visit a forum about a car with only six cylinders and soppossedly less potentiall than an V8, once again youre just running your mouth.

It's certainly nice that you know what your car is capable of,

A HELL lot.

but you haven't said anything about the VK V8. You say that it would be slower than a VG. How much slower? Will the VK's CVTC give it an advantage? How much NA potential is available? What about FI? Does anyone produce FI kits? Can the VK be stroked?

I guess we'll never know being that such a engine is almost never seen at dyno meets, drag races, auto cross events, detail days or performance shops. There might be good reasons why VGs, VQ's and SR's are. The reason why that youre propably blind to is that the cars that have V8's in nissan's lineup are not sport cars or track cars, theire simple luxury and high end town cars. Irronically the G35 beeing a very well handling car for track use just happens to have a VQ. Oh, not to mention theyre truck line up, but I'm sure youll argue about that to.

Again, how would you know?

Better than you punk, I rub elbows with owners of such cars on a weekly basis. Youre "Again, how would you know? " statement is just you assuming again with no knoledge of whoe I am and who I hang with despite that I offered you proof through the us of my Cardomain page that for some reason, you deniad. Your arrogant denial is greatly showing through. I'm sorry you don't believe anything I type or try to show you through my page, but if thats the case why are you still trying to proove yourself to me. Oh thats right, your never wrong.

An easy reason to explain the aftermarket support would first be what kind of car is was, and what the engine was like. The Supra was a sports car. The Soarer/SC400 was a luxury coupe. The 1UZFE V8 was normally aspirated and more complex, typically needing two turbo manifolds and four cams. The 2JZ was already turbocharged, needed only one manifold, and two cams. Of course the aftermarket would begin catering to the simpler engine used in a sports car.

I'v been saying this, you must have selective hearing or something because your telling me what I'v been telling you thus proving further that the twin turbo is a hell lot better platform than a all motor V8.

If the 2JZ is still such an excellent engine, why hasn't Toyota used it in the JGTC for years?

They still ocasionally do.

They decided to use the 3SGTE I4 in their Supras,

Yes yes I know this, they do this to increase theire cornering ability and handling over an inline six, I'm not stupid but I'm sure you'll want to prove that incorrect also.

and now use the 4UZFE V8. Now why would they do something like that?

OH MAN, you got me there. But uh, no.
From what I'v read theres only one team that is racing with this motor, not a mass replacement like your suggesting. Not to mention they have not been able to manage a first over because of one paticular team. The team is sporting a VG30DETT in a 350Z chassis. So why isn't the v8 beating this twin turbo even though in the JGTC the weaght penalty favors the team with the V8. But I'm sure you'll prove me and that 350z team all wrong, won't you, just because you say so, RIGHT?

Again, you have a reading problem.

No, I'v got a problem with arrogant assholes.
IE you.

I don't need to explain why the SC400 is a better platform,

OH THANK GOD, than don't, especially since you've already gave all the reasons why it isn't.

because I never said it was.

Um hum.

I said the engine could be better.

IT ALL MAKES SENCE NOW.
Dude, I don't think you relize that the JZ motor is what makes a mk4 Supra a Supra. But you must right though, right?

The 1UZFE offers more displacement, and has more cylinders to better distribute the stress of producing high outputs.

Untill you add boost. Then high compression shows it's ugly head. Not to mention what little weight distribution that the supra normally would had woulda shot out the window, further increasing the difficulty of the vehicle to have PROPER handling on a coarse. But I'm sure you thought of that to.

The 1UZFE is also constructed of aluminum, rather than iron like the 2JZGTE.

Iron that can better handle higher levels of boost, once againg allowing the 2JZ to have better potentiall for power. But I'll just "assume" that you no replacement for displacemt tatooed on youre body somewhere, am I right.

Judging from the weight differences between Nissan's aluminum VK V8 and iron RB I6, the 1UZFE should actually be lighter than the 2JZGTE.

First show me a weight comparison and I'll consider that theres truth in that. But the I6's still have more potentioll for reliable power, I'll never change my stance on that.

The V8 is also shorter than the I6,

Yes, but also wider. You have give a little if you want to take a little.

which promotes better weight balance.

Heh, the handling in a SC400 would argue that very point, and yes I do KNOW, I didn't just "assume" that. IE I'v been in both a SC300 and a SC400.

If you'd read the facts,

Which I have, which are not "assumptions".

you'd know that the JZ30 Soarer came with a 2.5L 1JZGTE I6, not the 1UZFE V8.

Yes yes, I do know this and I do know that with the 1JZGTE I6 that it has better pottentioll for power, and much more potentioll for supperior handling. Over all its a MUCH better car compared to it's SC400 brother that almost never sees track or cercuite time, unlike it's soarer brother. Why is that V8 better again, oh yea. It's because you "assumed" it was.

Of course, D1GP driver Takahiro Ueno just upgraded to the 3L 2JZGTE.

Uh yea? It's better than both the 1JZGTE and the V8.

Why swap in a V8 with less aftermarket support and spare parts available,

Once again I'v been saying this.

and that would require more custom work to install?

Uh he could just got an A-Spec sc400 instead. Know why he didn't, like I said the 2JZ is ten times better in almost every aspect including HANDLING. You might also not relize this, but handling plays rather a big part in drifting, but you'll argue about that also.

Your comment holds no water.

My comments are keeping me afloat just fine. I can play the acronym hame to.

What was that about knowing more than me?

Yea, which appairently is alot. I won't mind if you deny that to, it makes feal good all over.

Oh that's right. You know more than me because you drive a Z32.

That would be only about 15% the reason, but yea, thats one of them.

My mistake.

It's O,K. I won't blame you.

Once more, you have a reading problem. Apparently, posting in plain English doesn't work on you, either.

And you have problems in comprehending, but my bad. But Motorex isn't gona replace a void left by not having skylinesby simpling by offering simple bolt ons an body components. If you think they can, go to business school.

The Carrera GT is a brand new car,

Duh.

so of course it would not have been used in racing. I am talking about its V10, which had been developed earlier and was never used in racing.

I don't recall Ferrari racing the Enzo, but that doesn't stop them from using other cars further down theire food chain of sports cars.

So, you're saying that more cylinders is better

My bad, I ment to say that having more cylinders isn't always better. Not- further strengthening my stance that more cylinders is better. I got hungry and whent get up and I kinda cut off what I ment to say. But you already messed up quit a few time on these two pages yourself.

you like the Carrera GT because it competes with the Enzo and McLaren while having fewer cylinders?

And propably always will.

Oh, so now this discussion is only about sports cars?

UH, YEA. We are discussing a very importent SPORT CAR so yea, that would be the idea.

How convenient.

No, just common sence. Gets some.

No wonder you didn't comment on my point about the FX45.

That would be correct. I thought you miss typed or something, but didn't want my "assumptions" to keep me from discusing the GT-R.

Now you have. A front-engined, V8 sedan, possibly with the name 928.

Yea I actually have, but the last time I did it was still just a little CG picture and had 2 doirs, and was AWD. Besides, the only reason why it has a V8 to begine with is because obviosly porshe wanted to release a sedan with some serios cagones and it woulda been kinda hard to fit a rear mounted into a 4 door platform, if it was, it would had once again been a flat six. Not to mention calling it the reborn 928, even though the original 928 was a 2 doore, was just an excuse so no one would start questioning about the front mounted engine setup. Further proof to this is with the car being turbo'd "from what I'v herd" and sopposedly being AWD "which is not a bad idea for an optional trim level for a 4 door v8 powerd car" that the car price whys would be on a completely diifferent class that the 928 didn't fill. The original 928's engine I beleived was built with mostly Audi and VW parts to further keep the price affordable. This newest concept will deffinetly not fill that intended price range and combined with the 4 doors, I don't see the final product being called a 928, but porshe still might go with the that name, I mean just look at the RX-8. We won't know untill it's finally released.

Define "premeir line up." How is BMW's luxury flagship, the 7-series, not part of the premier lineup? What about the V8 E39 M5 that's come and gone already? What about halo cars like the upcoming M3/M4? Oh wait, you haven't "herd" of them, either. Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/bmwmnews/news/2003/09/26.html

The link won't work for me.


Instead of waiting for me to reply, work on your reading skills.

You can just work on kissing my A$$. Little punk.

Probably half of the things you said were based on things you misread in my post.

UH NO! Half the sh!t you posted makes no sence, is just a repost of something you said "and I said" or has little to no irrelevence like you bringing up SUVs? That was just pointlless desperation.

However, considering that you just learned how to make paragraphs in your last post, I might be asking too much.

Now you can just fuk youreself, I'm a working man and I don't have the time to make every damn post perfect for youre expection. If you don't like it, don't read it, since you already decided not to read any of the proof I linked for you.

Now to finish this exhaustive post.
VQuick, I come on here to discuss cars I love, with engines I love. I am exhausted with this stupid piss fight that has ended with just you and me, with the only other person on here becoming pissy at you. If you wish to continue with throwing BS, name calling, your "assumpsion" posts and this stupid little game you play, I will more than likely just stop posting because I'm not here for that. It's become pointless. Now if you want to continue with an none B.S., intelligent disscusion about the American spec GT-R, then I'll continue with a respectable and intelligent disscussion on this thread. I started it with Samhain's little-... Who cares Bishop?- remark, and your-The 'devout following' you refer to is likely made up mostly of people who wouldn't be able to afford the car in the first place(projected price tag of $70k). - remark. You two started the shit and I'll let you two decide if it continues, it's seems we'v pretty mutch chased off any one who woulda posted something informative, the only peaple posting now are just trying to give you cheap shots. But I am a man with an opoinion and since this is where opinions are shared, it should respected and not just simply given an "WHO CARES" remark.

Oh and VQuick, watch the-A Z is not a high end car of any kind.- remarks, it just shows what little taste you must have.
You shoulda known better than to think I would let you get away with that. If that is really your honest opinion than you'v never driven a Z32 TT and should never post on a nissan thread again.
Anyways the ball is in your court.

O.K Dude,from what I'v read you obviosly don't care about the GT-R or it's history. Your sole porpose on here is to argue and to try to prove every body wrong. Peaple like obviosly hate peaple like me because I go on pages like this to have an intelligent conversation on cars, manufactures and predict what moves those companys are gonna make. You on the other hand come on here to try to prove yourself to everyone and to disagree with every one even if the answer to the subject in question is obviose, already been proven or is irellivent..... I can't go on....
VQuick.... When I type fast I sometimes make a few typos...and I sometimes in my haste just spell things a little off.....but this guy is a total dumb ass. I don't think I have seen such an illiterate composition in a message board post in an awful long time! I think you are wasting your time with these nuts.

btw, dude you have WAY too much time on your hands! Get a girlfriend/guy whichever you perfer.... Whatever turns you on.
Which do you "perfer"?

Oh and ASS, I do know how to drive and have several friends that are frequint autocrossers.
Moppie?? Did he call you an ASS? I have friends who are "frequint" autocrossers too. I'll bet HE has friends who are "frequint" autocrossdressers. :D

Okay folks. Let's get one thing straight. The GTR's history is based not around a turbo six, and not around AWD, and not around anything except TRACK PROVEN PERFORMANCE.

The original GTR's used the infamous S20 engine, an aluminum crossflow 2.0L straight-six that screamed like a bat out of hell (got a chance to see a KPGC110 GTR in action one time at a John Morton Army gathering/track day). Those cars took to the tracks of Japan and went up against cars like the Alfa Romeo GTV and BMW 2002tii (two cars that are highly respected in Japan to this day as a result) and won. This racing success, coupled with the rarity of the cars (less than 150 of the 2nd gen GTR's - the KPGC110's - were produced) secured the GTR nameplate's place in Japanese motoring history.

It wasn't until the R32 generation of the Skyline that Nissan again felt they had a car that could live up to the legacy of the GTR nameplate, even though the R31 GTS-R had proven itself time and time again in touring car races. With blinding success at Bathurst (that led to the GTR Skylines being banned from competition), the R32 was declared worthy of the name. The R33 continued this, even nailing down a 15th overall at Le Mans with a factory effort in 1996. The R34 then became a darling of the JGTC (albeit heavily modified, even running a V6 in its career's twilight) and one of the star cars of the Nurburgring 24 Hours.

The next generation of GTR will not live or die by its engine, nor by its driveline or its technology. But should it be an enhanced race-winning coupe with lineage derived from the respected Skyline family, the GTR will be fully deserving of its place. 4, 6, or 8 notwithstanding. The only thing that would destroy the GTR would be if it was removed from competition.

And, here's the kicker, you're all up in arms over unconfirmed speculation. The engine rumours have swirled around the R35/36 since the GTR concept debuted half a decade ago. Some say 3.0L V6. Some say 3.5L V6. Some say the V8 from the Titan. Some say the Q45's V8. Some even say the V8 from the R390GT1 car. Sometimes the rumor says turbo, sometimes not, sometimes twin. Sometimes ATTESA/ETS is part of the equation. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's a brand new system (like the electric motors system previously mentioned).

Let's face the one true fact. Nissan has said that they are building a new GTR and that it's coming to the states and Britain as an Infinite. Beyond that, it's really anyone's guess so let's stop the petty bickering especially the baseless insulting kind that gets people banned.

VQuick.... When I type fast I sometimes make a few typos...and I sometimes in my haste just spell things a little off.....but this guy is a total dumb ass. I don't think I have seen such an illiterate composition in a message board post in an awful long time! I think you are wasting your time with these nuts.

You're right. This thread wasn't even about the GT-R. Bishop and Z32TTgirl formulate their arguments by just misreading/misapplying what I said. When that happens, the potential for an intelligent conversation is lost.

Haven't seen you in a while, Keeper. How's Layla treating you? :sunglasse

Hey Bishop, I know of a sight where people KNOW about car's and KNOW how they work and OWN Z's or should I say SPORTS CARS. Why waste your time on this sight, while they know eachother and will suck eachothers pussy's at it. LOL! We have Z's (yes they are high end DO SOME RESEARCH DUMB ASSES, i have never seen a MAXIMA on car&driver or anyother mag.) Why argue with kids who bag grocries/obiviously don't know crap about car's nevertheless never work on them! LOL! They just keep arguing in a circle, just like VQuick=need to get a life, same with "thegladhatter" who claims he lives in JAPAN! LOL! keep dreaming buddy! Bishop I will PM you the sight! Ok. To all of the LOOSERS (who are more than likely punk kids) who wish they had car's that where half as fast/awesome as mine/Bishops! I remember our Z's being able to rape vetts does your maxama/sileighty do that? Keep dreaming! Now go give eachother BJ's. LOL! LaterZ

Wow, what an informed and wel thought out post. It really does enlighten me as to how wrong I am on all of my thoughts regarding cars. To think I've worked as a professional mechanic, been on design teams that created race-winning chassis from the ground up, and written a weekly column on Midwestern pavement racing and still I've been so uninformed on cars...

no......

wait.....

:thinkerg:

BANNED.

We have Z's (yes they are high end DO SOME RESEARCH DUMB ASSES, i have never seen a MAXIMA on car&driver or anyother mag.)
Yes, I know you have Zs.

The Z is not a high end car. High price != High End. Is the Z Nissan's halo car? No. Do you even know what a halo car is? :lol2: The Z was the midlevel car in Nissan's sports car lineup. Nissan had the Silvia, sporty non-GT-R Skylines, the Z, and the Skyline GT-R.

You've never seen a Maxima in Car and Driver? :uhoh: Looks like you really do have a reading problem. When was the last time you saw a new Z32 in Car and Driver or another similar magazine? :lol:

I remember our Z's being able to rape vetts does your maxama/sileighty do that? Keep dreaming! Now go give eachother BJ's. LOL! LaterZ
I don't need to 'rape' anything. Why don't you go on to this supposed 'sight' you keep talking about? :rolleyes: If the members are anything like yourself and Bishop, rest assured we won't be there.

Hmmm. You know what's an interesting number? 209.246.234.146

You know why it's interesting? It's the I.P for members Bishop Page and Z32TTGirl.

Bye Bye. Bishop, enjoy your new address in......

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/33812Bannsville.jpg

Hmmm. You know what's an interesting number? 209.246.234.146

You know why it's interesting? It's the I.P for members Bishop Page and Z32TTGirl.

I had my suspicions that Z32TTgirl was an AE(Alter Ego). I couldn't check their IP addresses, but I noticed that in their profiles, their locations were nearly identical. The Z32TTgirl account had been registered yesterday after the debate started getting heated, and only posted in this thread. They had the same misspellings and grammatical errors, misunderstood me in the exact same manner, used the same arguments, and from the start, Z32TTgirl talked to Bishop Page as if 'she' knew him.

Not a smart way to do an AE.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH this dumb ass was teh same guy!?!?!1
holy crap! you got to be kidding me.. i dont think ive ever seen someone that desperate ever to try and make someone look dumb... OVER THE DAMN INTERNET...
retard!

and layla's keeper: you are sbsolutely rigth about the gtr history.. i was gong to post info pretaining to that.. but i got lazy.. im glad someone knowledgable did it instead

OK, since you guys are finally finished with your retard special olympics, er I mean Internet fued, can we get back on topic here?
I was going to ask 2 days ago about where does this figure of $70k come from? I've seen speculation on it, but does anybody KNOW what it is going to be? I guarantee I won't be paying that much for an Infiniti with aprox 350-400 HP. Especially when I can spen $50k and get a brand spankin new C6 Vette. Or take my $70k, buy the vette and have Lingenfelter build it.
I'm not trying to start another flame here, but c'mon, $70,000 seems a little ridiculous for a name.

It is possible for two people to have the same IP.

Where I work we are on a network and all the computers use the same IP for internet access.

Possible....though not probable.

It is possible for two people to have the same IP.

Where I work we are on a network and all the computers use the same IP for internet access.

Possible....though not probable.

I don't doubt the possibility of that. Like I said though, given the similarities in posting style(only posting here, using the same argument, and with multiple grammar errors), location(San Antonio/a suburb of San Antonio), both owning Z32s, and talking as if they knew each other, we were probably dealing with a poorly done AE.

I was going to ask 2 days ago about where does this figure of $70k come from?
It was the highest figure I had personally seen in print. That was quite a long time ago, however. I like to use it as a worst-case estimate.

I guarantee I won't be paying that much for an Infiniti with aprox 350-400 HP. Especially when I can spen $50k and get a brand spankin new C6 Vette. Or take my $70k, buy the vette and have Lingenfelter build it.
I'm not trying to start another flame here, but c'mon, $70,000 seems a little ridiculous for a name.
The GT-R will probably have 450hp, maybe more, but that may not be enough of a difference for you. It will be a very different car from a C6. Not necessarily better, just different.
If you want the best bang for the buck, then by all means get a C6. The performance is mindblowing, especially considering its technology isn't that advanced(OHV, leaf springs in rear), but that is what helps keep it cheap.
The GT-R, on the other hand, is a technological tour de force, loaded with groundbreaking features. It will probably be more luxurious than the C6, while still offering good performance.
What you buy is really dependent on what you're looking for.

I have no doubt that they are one and the same. I was just pointing out that it IS possible for two different people to have the same IP.

The grammar and the terminology is a dead give away on this yokal.

OK, since you guys are finally finished with your retard special olympics, er I mean Internet fued, can we get back on topic here?
I was going to ask 2 days ago about where does this figure of $70k come from? I've seen speculation on it, but does anybody KNOW what it is going to be? I guarantee I won't be paying that much for an Infiniti with aprox 350-400 HP. Especially when I can spen $50k and get a brand spankin new C6 Vette. Or take my $70k, buy the vette and have Lingenfelter build it.
I'm not trying to start another flame here, but c'mon, $70,000 seems a little ridiculous for a name.
well youre not only payin for a name.. but the quality and power of the car itself.... since nissan is badging it an infinit... they know they can bump th eprice up.. and they know people respect the gtr name/ heritage so people will be interested and people will put up the money.....
youre not gonna be seeing serious tuners buyin this car.. there WILL be old people driving this.. and rich business men who have no idea what a gtr/ skyline's past is.. yes the name is apealing.. as an infinit.. jus as teh corvette name is appealing to others esp the C6

Umm, VQuick, the Corvette has leaf springs front and rear.

Only the suspension is setup like this.....

http://www.motorportal.com/rear_with_new_suspension.JPG
http://www.motorportal.com/differential_trailing_arms_sway_bar_installed.JPG

It's actually a lighter, more compact, and easier to tune suspension design than unequal length a-arms, and has many of the same benefits. Hardly "antiquated" and in fact not something that hobbles the Corvette's handling in the least.

$70,000 does seem like a big number to shell out for a 450hp car, considering another 9k would get you the last 50 (in the form of a Viper). However, when I picture the next GTR, I see it more in the vein of a Jaguar XKR or AMG Benz. A powerful, potent coupe packed full of top-flite luxury, performance, and technology. The next GTR's biggest competitors will be BMW's and Maseratis.

Not bad rivals for a car that started out as a stretched Prince sedan. :smile:

I see your point about being luxurious and full of technological whiz bangs. I still think $70k is high. Maybe when I see the car my mind will change. By the way, Chevrolet has spent a lot of time with the new C6 making the interior nicer and more luxurious. However, I have yet to drive one... as does everybody else.
I don't mean to derail the thread, just making a point about the cost comparison.

Umm, VQuick, the Corvette has leaf springs front and rear.

Only the suspension is setup like this.....It's actually a lighter, more compact, and easier to tune suspension design than unequal length a-arms, and has many of the same benefits. Hardly "antiquated" and in fact not something that hobbles the Corvette's handling in the least.

I knew that the C6 used a different type of leaf spring setup. I was on a board where a ton of domestic lovers went crazy over Jeremy Clarkson making fun of the C6 on Top Gear. From their posts, I learned that the setup wasn't like what is used on trucks or anything(that's what they made it sound like on Top Gear). But if Chevy had used the truck style setup and still gotten the C6 to drive so well, they'd definitely get my respect. They still do get it for sticking with technology that while older, is cheaper and still effective. That's part of why the C6 is such a great bang for the buck. I can't wait for the Z06 and the "Blue Devil" versions.

However, when I picture the next GTR, I see it more in the vein of a Jaguar XKR or AMG Benz. A powerful, potent coupe packed full of top-flite luxury, performance, and technology. The next GTR's biggest competitors will be BMW's and Maseratis.
Speaking of AMG, I had an idea on another forum for a performance divison for Infiniti so that they could better compete with the Europeans. I called it 'IPD,' or 'Infiniti Performance Division.' I went so far as to come up with engine choices, etc for each model. It would be a great way to one-up Acura and Lexus and really propel Infiniti into the big leagues.

ive been reading so much flames that i forgot what this thread is about.

The GT-R will probably have 450hp, maybe more, but that may not be enough of a difference for you. It will be a very different car from a C6. Not necessarily better, just different.

If you want the best bang for the buck, then by all means get a C6. The performance is mindblowing, especially considering its technology isn't that advanced(OHV, leaf springs in rear), but that is what helps keep it cheap.
The GT-R, on the other hand, is a technological tour de force, loaded with groundbreaking features. It will probably be more luxurious than the C6, while still offering good performance.
What you buy is really dependent on what you're looking for.

I have to chime in here as I hate to see anyone unfairly pigeon hole the C5 or C6 corvette. To describe the C6 or even C5 as being "not that advanced" is a mis-statement of fact. If you compare the C5 or C6 to any other sports car of similar prowess that is even double the base price or less, there is no comparison.

Just to name a few inovations of the C5:
- Hydroformed steel frames (GVW = aprox 3200 lbs)
- Sheet molded compound (SMC) body pannels (won't ding, rust, or dent; not to mention lighter)
- Heads up display (my personal favorite)
- Stability control (Yaw control)
- magnetic ride control (magneto-rheological fluid-based actuators)
- rear mounted transmission (nearly 50/50 weight dist.)
- run-flat tires
- Titanium exhaust (ZO6 only)
- factory carbon fiber hood (ZO6 commerotive edition)
- 30+ mpg on the highway (manual trans)

Sorry VQuick, just trying to keep things honest. :) I'm also a Corvette fan. :smokin:

-AL

hey all. go to nicoclub.com and look up my profile. From there you will find some very interesting and informative threads. I suggest you all look into nissan AU, which registered the name "infiniti GTR" and it was listed as "coupe due 2007." I can't wait to see what happens. Also, I got new spy pics of the new gtr in testing but im so busy I never have time to post them up. Ill see when they can be on r35gtr.com

Good discussion VQuick -- I am not discouraged at all about the engine specs of this car -- more worried about the design, as I posted on Freshalloy, Nissan has been in business long enough to know what performance means on their GTR -- it is the design that will make or break this car. Price tag [from my few years of observing rumors and facts] will be anywhere from high 50k upto high 60k. No doubt about it as I like to quote Tamura San [Mr. GTR]

"Porsche 993 to 996 was a big step. Ferrari 355 to 360 was a big step. We must make an even bigger leap than that for the next-generation GT-R. What we are saying to customers is, be patient, trust us, we will make it for you"

GTR Accountant aka Perverted Hermit.

Good discussion VQuick -- I am not discouraged at all about the engine specs of this car -- more worried about the design, as I posted on Freshalloy, Nissan has been in business long enough to know what performance means on their GTR -- it is the design that will make or break this car. Price tag [from my few years of observing rumors and facts] will be anywhere from high 50k upto high 60k. No doubt about it as I like to quote Tamura San [Mr. GTR]

"Porsche 993 to 996 was a big step. Ferrari 355 to 360 was a big step. We must make an even bigger leap than that for the next-generation GT-R. What we are saying to customers is, be patient, trust us, we will make it for you"

GTR Accountant aka Perverted Hermit.

Hey Hermit, good to see you here! I used to post on Freshalloy, but I've been reduced to lurking due to some issue with browser cookies I can't figure out. :shakehead I always check your GT-R development thread for updates and add them to the one I created here. Hope you don't mind; it's great info.

A few days ago on another forum, I saw someone post pictures of a 1000rwhp drag 350Z. Get this: all that power was reached on the stock block! I had kinda forgotten that the VQs had iron cylinder liners, but still, I didn't think they could hold so much power. With Cosworth building a special VQ to even higher strength levels, who knows what it will be capable of. This is very, very good news for those wondering about the new GT-R's tunability.

I love that quote by Tamura, too. :)

Hey Hermit, good to see you here! I used to post on Freshalloy, but I've been reduced to lurking due to some issue with browser cookies I can't figure out. :shakehead I always check your GT-R development thread for updates and add them to the one I created here. Hope you don't mind; it's great info.

A few days ago on another forum, I saw someone post pictures of a 1000rwhp drag 350Z. Get this: all that power was reached on the stock block! I had kinda forgotten that the VQs had iron cylinder liners, but still, I didn't think they could hold so much power. With Cosworth building a special VQ to even higher strength levels, who knows what it will be capable of. This is very, very good news for those wondering about the new GT-R's tunability.

I love that quote by Tamura, too. :)

Hey VQuick - I sympathize with your FA issues, had them in the past myself. I saw your thread -- I have no issues whatsoever of you taking the info and posting it here -- in fact I encourage it, the more educated we are about something the better, however I do request that you keep on crediting those people whom I get my info from -- only fair to them.

1000rwhp -- unbelievable, id like to see that - No doubt that the VQ is a powerful engine, lets just pray that nissans gets it right. BTW I keep reading in these mag articles that cosworth and lotus are working on the car, but from an article posted a while back, Ghosn stated that both companies were off the project -- Im gonna have to find it again, will let you know. I hope to clearify this soon on my thread, keep reading. OH and that whole V8 engine spec -- that is going to be debunked soon.

I keep reading in these mag articles that cosworth and lotus are working on the car, but from an article posted a while back, Ghosn stated that both companies were off the project.[quote]

I really hope that isn't the case. Both companies do great work, and it would help add to the GT-R's marketability. A little 'Handling by Lotus' or 'Engine by Cosworth' badge would give the car a little extra exclusivity. Kinda like the Ford Focus RS having Brembo brakes, OZ Racing wheels, Recaro seats, etc. Using big names like that can only help.

[quote]OH and that whole V8 engine spec -- that is going to be debunked soon.

There was an article in evo(British magazine) a few months ago that did. It was stated that a V8 wouldn't be used in the interest of weight distribution. I was just re-reading the issue the other day. Want me to dig it up?

That is sweet however, I prefer the origional concepts over this one. Yes this is a beautiful car and would look as a sedan but this origional concepts will serve better as the r35gtrs.
R35 GTR (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/626554)
I wish i could display the image in this post but I dont' know how to use the feature so please follow the link to see the cars.

That is sweet however, I prefer the origional concepts over this one. Yes this is a beautiful car and would look as a sedan but this origional concepts will serve better as the r35gtrs.

Well, keep in mind this is just the Skyline sedan, not the GT-R. The V-series Skylines are shaping up to be among the best non-GT-Rs ever. The V36 should be pretty good, and the GT-R based on the chassis should be a monster.

looks like this site http://www.nissan.co.jp/EN/lineup.html the 05 skyline