radar-proof body kit


kcap122
09-18-2004, 05:01 PM
Hey you know those stealth planes that they have, and they have a certain shape which makes them invisible to radar? Why can't we make a body kit for cars like that? From the looks of it, you'll just need a lot of ridges to deflect the radar in different directions. Hm.

Probly would cost a lot to develop tho. Just a thought.

CBFryman
09-18-2004, 09:38 PM
The stealt planes cant be detected by radar for many reasons, the largest is they fly way to high for most radars to get a decent signal back...two they do have some angles that do deflect some waves but that isnt really what causes them to be un seen...three they are mostly fiberglass along with ohter poly materials, which absorb radar waves... US submariens have a fiberglass cap with radar insulation on the front of them to help them with radar detection problems... the old radars cops used couldnt read a car's speed if it was fiberglass, now the radars (i believe) are infared laserbeams so they can detect the metal under the fiberglass....on top of the fact that if you ever pay attention to a cop when aiming the radar gun they aim for the wheels sine 99% of the time the wheels are metalic....on top of even if the cop couldnt read you speed if yo uare moving faster than the flow of trafic he can write you a ticket anyway and if there is no traffic any cop with a brain (which often they dont) can tell that yo uare speeding if yo uare going any more than 10-15mph over the speed limit....

Civic_D16Y5
09-19-2004, 02:20 PM
its bad when u go faster than a cop right?
well one night coming home a night out, a drove past a highway off ramp, one that u can keep your speed up on, and i flew by a cop coming off one of those, needless to say,got a ticket, negligent driving

Beastiek2
09-19-2004, 03:12 PM
One speeding ticket is all I ever got. I dont fly around any more, I had 2 bad accidents. My friend got one last night lol He called me at 630am to pick him up at jail. He got a DWI. What a dumb ass.

Civic_D16Y5
09-19-2004, 05:08 PM
dwi? driving without a lisence?
or
dui? dring under the influence

Beastiek2
09-19-2004, 05:59 PM
Driving while intoxicated he blew a 1.8.
They didnt impound his car cause its in his dads name. Very lucky he is.

forcefanajd
09-20-2004, 01:43 AM
if you want a car that is radar deflectant get a pontiac fiero....if you take the front plate braket off they are radar deflectant

Ricochet
09-21-2004, 11:27 PM
I'm in the Army and learned the paint on Humvees absorbs lasers etc. They almost feel like chalk boards..

RedFC3S
09-22-2004, 05:15 PM
I feel dumber for reading this thread.......the person sitting next to me at work says the same thing

ProjectPhantom
09-23-2004, 12:01 AM
haha too crazy u could speed all ya want and they gots nothin on ya!

kcap122
09-23-2004, 03:28 PM
I feel dumber for reading this thread.......the person sitting next to me at work says the same thing


o thats right, my bad....thinking outside the box isnt allowed.:banghead:

RedFC3S
09-23-2004, 04:00 PM
o thats right, my bad....thinking outside the box isnt allowed.:banghead:
trying to model your car after a stealth bomber isnt thinking outside the box, its just stupid

kcap122
09-23-2004, 06:01 PM
Maybe its not about stealth bombers, maybe its about taking a preventative as opposed to diagnostic approach to police radar and lasers. Whats your idea, smart guy?

and well like they say fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. so come on, 33post. Chill.

Integra06
09-23-2004, 06:19 PM
Maybe its not about stealth bombers, maybe its about taking a preventative as opposed to diagnostic approach to police radar and lasers. Whats your idea, smart guy?

and well like they say fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. so come on, 33post. Chill.

A preventative measure is not speeding in the first place. And what does post count have anything to do with it?

kcap122
09-24-2004, 12:05 AM
Well yeah but i'm sure you're aware that there is a part of the spedometer above 55 and that, on occasion, it is used responsibly.

Saying that you shouldnt speed 10 mph above the speed limit is like saying, dont ride a motorcycle if you dont want to get a concussion. Somebody had an idea for the awhile ago, i think they called it a helmet, and thats really just a preventative measure because people WILL be using their bikes. Sure its a little unsafe, but whatever.

Anyway, speeding is the same thing, and people are going to do it. The question is, whether or not a body kit could be made to deflect radar and laser beams. Or maybe absorb them, like ricochet said. Its a far-fetched idea, but i dont see why you have to call it stupid and shoot it down

b18 ls
09-24-2004, 03:07 PM
I'm in the Army and learned the paint on Humvees absorbs lasers etc. They almost feel like chalk boards..

I'm in the Marine Corps (Motor Transport Operator. 3533) I've never heard anything about the paint used on HMMWV's. As far as I know, it's just carc paint. Olive drab is the color if that matters. As far as a body kit built to deflect radar..................Hmmm.

forcefanajd
09-24-2004, 04:27 PM
I'm in the Marine Corps (Motor Transport Operator. 3533) I've never heard anything about the paint used on HMMWV's. As far as I know, it's just carc paint. Olive drab is the color if that matters. As far as a body kit built to deflect radar..................Hmmm.


my brother is in the marines...hes a driver....he said something before about how the paint is radar deflectant...but you cant buy the paint without a special license.

GritMaster
09-27-2004, 08:39 PM
If you could have a radar deflectent body kit they'd make it illegal for street use and then a cop could pull you over anyhow.

b18 ls
09-28-2004, 11:03 AM
my brother is in the marines...hes a driver....he said something before about how the paint is radar deflectant...but you cant buy the paint without a special license.
I'm also a driver (Six years in the Corps) and that is news to me. They paint all the trucks in GA though, so who knows. But I know when the vehicles get a rust spot, we bust the rust away, and respray it with regular olive drab green spray paint. You can buy it at wall mart.

Geeko
09-28-2004, 11:52 AM
after a little googling, from what i can tell, there are several ways to avoid radar signature.

Basically, what everyone is looking for is RAM: Radar Absorbant Material. The Blackhawk used a LOT of titanium and carbon fibre, as well as other (classified) materials that have a naturally low radar cross-section. there are also paints that are considered absorbant, but they aren't available to the general public, as far as I can tell. The paints that have been used on some older Air Force vehicles was iron-ball suspension paint, where small iron balls were suspended in the paint itself, which dispersed the radar signature.

There are also materials (or paint) that convert radar energy into heat, and then radiate it away from the plane, or object in question. Some RAM also use a dielectric material to absorb the radar engery, and re-emit it in a different wavelength- one that the radar units were "blind" to.

The upshot of all of this is that, without a few hundred thousand dollars (or much more) and a Military top-secret clearance, the odds of anyone getting RAM on their vehicles is pretty low ;)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread34324/pg1

CBFryman
09-28-2004, 02:01 PM
now there is a man who does his research :worshippy :1: :cheers:

rabid652
09-30-2004, 06:35 PM
Ok, get a Valentine One radar detector.....it is by far the best one out there and if you get a ticket with one of them (unless by laser) you have to have something wrong with you. Cops do not aim their guns at specific parts of cars....the radar beam is large enough that aiming at specific points is pointless. However, a laser beam is much smaller in diameter and they usually aim that at your license plate (always a good idea to remove your front one if it is not illegal to do so). so go buy yourself a Valentine One and save a couple grand

Geeko
09-30-2004, 11:17 PM
here's a novel idea- i suppose (just a guess here) we could not speed.


but where's the fun in that? :screwy:


realistically, i've found that hiding in traffic, keeping my ears on my radio equipment, and watching other vehicles (especially trucks) keeps me out of more problems with police then anything else.

I guess, a few things i've seen that work-

When you are in traffic, don't be the first OR the last person in a line of traffic. if you have no other option, at least don't be the last person in a line- Police are for the most part efficient (Read: lazy) and will pull over the last person in the line of traffic rather then chasing all the way to the front to get the first guy. If you are in traffic, and you see a few vehicles tapping brakelights up ahead, slow down! It might be a speed trap, it might be an accident, but either way, you're much safer slowing down.

If you can have a scanner in your car, either legally for some reason, or illegally because the police don't care, use it. Get the most common police frequencies on it, and get familiar with the basic cop codes and locations- this will let you know where they are, and if they are running speed traps, etc. Program the CB channels into the scanner if you don't already have CB- truckers can, will, and do pass info about police speed traps and mobile units along over the airwaves; and if you know what to listen for you can avoid almost all of them.

In general, familiarity with thine enemy is paramount. Learn where your local opposition like to sit, get a general idea of how much they move around, how aggressive they are during certain times of the month (Cali drivers know ALL about this), and just generally learn about them. For the most part, I LIKE the police, and public safety people- they help take bad drivers off the street, keep everything moving safely, and might even save my life some day. I go to public days at police stations, visit the police booth at faires, and in general, just talk to them. Of all the times I've been pulled over or had the police called on me, twice I've known the officer. Didn't get me out of a ticket, but it DID make life easier for me during the "incident" and after.

All of the things I do while I drive are probably more effective then dropping 300-500 dollars on a radar detector, especially considering the vastly increased use of laser and infra-red speed guns in modern law enforcement. With laser, there is very little in the way of detection, there is only avoidance.

... yeah, well, that's my doctoral thesis. again.

psychorallyfreak
10-05-2004, 11:31 AM
Indeed, just PAYING ATTENTION is an excellent preventative measure.
Not speeding is, too, but considering the first guy that mentioned it got flamed, I'm not even gonna bother...

CBFryman
10-05-2004, 09:02 PM
lol, too bad using the CB doesnt work since cops listen to the CB and can transmit CB frequincies. you get on the CB saying "Has any one seen a pig up ahead of (insert position here)" and hte cop gets on the CB and says "no i aint seen a one, im (insert fake position here) come on up" you speed up and cop finds yo ucan pulls you over and yo uget a ticket...

Geeko
10-05-2004, 10:53 PM
lol, too bad using the CB doesnt work since cops listen to the CB and can transmit CB frequincies. you get on the CB saying "Has any one seen a pig up ahead of (insert position here)" and hte cop gets on the CB and says "no i aint seen a one, im (insert fake position here) come on up" you speed up and cop finds yo ucan pulls you over and yo uget a ticket...

didn't say YOU talk :P the truckers can't hear you mostly anyway, as they are using 50 watt+ linear amps, and have the input gain up so high they won't hear you're little bump in the road :D just listen to the truckers- they know the codes, and eventually you will to, and they'll TELL you where the smokies are ;)

besides, i've never heard of a cop doing this- i knew very few police with cbs in their cars anymore, and most of them that do use it for the same thing as the truckers- talking, mostly.

Rufe
10-07-2004, 02:19 AM
Radar reflects off of the radiators as well, angling the radiator back 30 degrees would probably lessen the signature here. Seems a rear mounted engine like the fiero would be ideal.

Laser - these can reflect back from your headlights, right?
Fold up lights might be good here.

Yes, you can get radar absorbing paint, but it is heavy and rough finish.

Rabbit - the best countermeasure.

forcefanajd
10-07-2004, 08:11 AM
Radar reflects off of the radiators as well, angling the radiator back 30 degrees would probably lessen the signature here. Seems a rear mounted engine like the fiero would be ideal.

Laser - these can reflect back from your headlights, right?
Fold up lights might be good here.

Yes, you can get radar absorbing paint, but it is heavy and rough finish.

Rabbit - the best countermeasure.


like i said before...fieros are radar deflectant as there body panels are a composite material. the only thing you have to do is remove the front plate bracket(kinda a pain in the ass since you have to remove the whole front bumper to take it off). the radiator is angled in fieros already too.

veilsidercng
11-02-2004, 04:33 PM
Even if they made a radar-proof body kit wouldn't you still get caught because I doubt the cops do/are able to aim just at the body kit?

Geeko
11-02-2004, 09:40 PM
Police aim at the entire car- the radar beam is wide enough that that is all that is needed.

Look at it this way- AA rocket and missile aquisition radar systems cover a very large amount of airspace at once. They are not pointing at a jet, they are looking for anything that reflects radar waves. A "stealth" jet is one that has little on it that reflects radar, or is using technologies that do not reflect radar waves back to the AA station. The less reflected radar, the smaller the image that the AA station sees and the harder it is to lock target, for the jet to be fired on.

The idea behind radar-proofing a car is similar. The reduction of radar signature in and of itself is not significant; the goal is to get the signature below the threshold at which the radar gun can accurately measure speed, or where "lock" takes long enough that the car has passed into and out of radar range before a measurement can be made. Therefore, everything that can be done helps- some more then others.

The question is, does it help enough?

clawhammer
11-03-2004, 10:58 AM
Radar beam is wide enough to aim at the car. However, on a recent trip on I80/90 I found that almost all the cops were using laser (according to my radar detector). As for laser, first thing you can do is get a dark colored car, where the headlight hide (like a trans am), and get a bra for it. It will be almos immune to laser, except up close. But by than your radar/laser detector will go off.

Geeko
11-03-2004, 09:42 PM
It radically depends on where you are as to what the police are using for speed traps... in higher-population, and more affluent areas, where the police have more money to upgrade parts, you'll find laser (or more agressive tactics!). More rural areas tend to use radar, and some really backwoods places still use K/Ka... VERY old stuff indeed, and easy to spot. :naughty: Up on 90 you'll probably see newer stuff, as the tollway provides a lot of incoming cash for the various departments, including speed enforcement.

TRD2000
11-15-2004, 05:29 PM
you can get radar resistand paint.... but its hard.
size of car and angle of surface effects radar.
radar reflects off metalic parts much better than polymers.
laser needs relatively flat surface... headlights number plates, large fronts on vehicles like US pickups etc.

get a car with a low frontal area, pop up lights and a full plastic or c/f front... look at masking metalic parts behind the front plastic with other material... perhaps aluminium foil??

get a radar detector, get a laser jammer.

paint the car black... it may not help with absorbing laser, but it might make your new low profile sports car harder to identify and make it less of a target... red is a bad colour. maybe get a car bra with some radar absorband material built in...

PeanutM&MsRgood4u
11-18-2004, 11:52 PM
Or you could get huge sheets of 1 way mirror glass and angle them so your car looks like a pyramid made of mirror. Everything would be reflected up and away from the po-po right? :lol2:

P.S. keep in mind Stealth planes aren't "invisible" to radar, they are just reducing their radar return to the point that the plane looks no bigger than say a basket ball. Trying to shoot a basketball sized objet from a couple miles away, at night, while its moving at speed is considerably more difficult than getting a return from a car moving slowly, in a more or less fixed path, from 50' away.

mx6rrr
12-23-2004, 12:20 AM
if you want a car that is radar deflectant get a pontiac fiero....if you take the front plate braket off they are radar deflectant
That explains why the cops were all over me when I didnt have front license plate on my fiero. Thats awesome!! :)

BodyKits
01-18-2005, 04:20 AM
Hey you know those stealth planes that they have, and they have a certain shape which makes them invisible to radar? Why can't we make a body kit for cars like that? From the looks of it, you'll just need a lot of ridges to deflect the radar in different directions. Hm.

Probly would cost a lot to develop tho. Just a thought.

ARE YOU SERIOUS. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT ITS THE SHAPE OF THE PLANE? DO YOU RELIZE THAT ITS NOT INVISABLE, ITS JUST THAT OYU CANT HERE IT AND IT CAN BE RIGHT BEHIND YOU. ITS ABOUT THE SPEED AND THE ALTITUDE IN WITCH IT FLIES AT. PLUS ITS THE MATERIALS USED TO BUILD THE AIRCRAFT.

BodyKits
01-18-2005, 04:23 AM
If You Really Want To Avoid Getting Aq Speeding Ticket Here Is A Hint.... Dont Drive Over The Limit, And If Thats A Problem For You Get A Radar Jammer. Highly Illegal So You Have To Install It Somewhere That You Would Never Think They Would Look Because When They Pull Your Ass Over For Not Showing Up On Radar They Will Get Permission Immeditly To Search Your Car...

TRD2000
01-18-2005, 02:20 PM
certain shapes also assist in providing a reduced radar signiature though. but you'd have to know what you were doing.

RandomTask
01-18-2005, 02:48 PM
if you want a car that is radar deflectant get a pontiac fiero....if you take the front plate braket off they are radar deflectant

Really? So the cop must have been bullshitting me when I got my ticket for 14 over, even though I don't have my front bracket or anything on?

Geeko
01-18-2005, 06:28 PM
If You Really Want To Avoid Getting Aq Speeding Ticket Here Is A Hint.... Dont Drive Over The Limit, And If Thats A Problem For You Get A Radar Jammer. Highly Illegal So You Have To Install It Somewhere That You Would Never Think They Would Look Because When They Pull Your Ass Over For Not Showing Up On Radar They Will Get Permission Immeditly To Search Your Car...

Typing in caps does not make you right or smart, typing with each word capitalized does not make you right or smart. Radar jammers are highly illegal- a federal law vs. a munincipal law; this is Federal Penitentury vs. a ticket. Dumb. Police can't get permission verbally or quickly at the scene- they either need a written warrent issued by a judge, or a "clear and present reason." If they don't invoke the second, they'll just arrest you, impound the car, and THEN get the warrent.

For your previous post, stealth jets are almost as loud as regular jets, the "stealth" part comes from the materials and shape of the jet body and frame, and the speed and altitude at which they fly. Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand the rest of the post enough to adequately refute it, but I'm sure such a correction would be required.


Your sig makes no sense.

PeanutM&MsRgood4u
01-18-2005, 10:13 PM
Typing in caps does not make you right or smart, typing with each word capitalized does not make you right or smart. Radar jammers are highly illegal- a federal law vs. a munincipal law; this is Federal Penitentury vs. a ticket. Dumb. Police can't get permission verbally or quickly at the scene- they either need a written warrent issued by a judge, or a "clear and present reason." If they don't invoke the second, they'll just arrest you, impound the car, and THEN get the warrent.

For your previous post, stealth jets are almost as loud as regular jets, the "stealth" part comes from the materials and shape of the jet body and frame, and the speed and altitude at which they fly. Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand the rest of the post enough to adequately refute it, but I'm sure such a correction would be required.


Your sig makes no sense.

Wow, Im impressed you managed to muddle through that nonesense. I got to "SERIOUS" and stopped reading. :lol: I agree tho, a ticket that should cost at most $200 is nowhere near as bad as a "Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-A**" prison. Besides, its all moot since its only a matter of time before every cop has a laser system backup. Cops here already use laser traps/helicopters to watch the freeways.

Google for Radar Cross Section to find out how radar "sees" a plane. Reducing it makes the plane's radar return signal smaller, thus making it "look" smaller. Other things, like radar absorbing materials, and venting on the tail section reduce heat returns.

thegladhatter
01-19-2005, 02:13 AM
Stealth aircraft is stealthy because of the way each plane meets the other planes on the surface of the vehicle. The shape of the aircraft has MUCH to do with its ability to go undetected by radar.

The heat is exhausted in such a way as to make it harder for heat seeking weapons to not be able to lock on to the target once it is discovered.

bodykit needs a body punch

PeanutM&MsRgood4u
01-19-2005, 04:09 AM
...bodykit needs a body punch
Agreed! Except it needs to be in the throat.

Geeko
01-20-2005, 08:38 AM
have to admit, though- wither or not the stealth technology works, those planes look seriously badass.

PeanutM&MsRgood4u
01-21-2005, 04:04 AM
have to admit, though- wither or not the stealth technology works, those planes look seriously badass.

IMO the F-117 Nighthawk look ugly. F-22 Raptor looks sweet tho and its stealth. Plus it has complex curves insted of all those straight lines.

Dreamspawn
01-26-2005, 02:25 AM
What does it matter a cop can pull u over and give u a ticket for going over weather or not he has a exact speed on the radar. Also u ppl do know the stealth aircraft to appear on radar but they give such no more of a blimp then a duck,bird thus they call them stealth. Also Mythbusters did a special on stuff to get past radar guns they did like 5-6 things everything failed. Best adavice other than not speeding is try to be 1st or middle of pack,watch truckers,if u are fortunate enought to get radar jammer do what lambo does use your turning signals or foglights had the light where a typical dash light might be,and learn the habbits or your local 5-0.

Legionofone
01-27-2005, 02:16 AM
i want a car that looks like a stealth just for the hell of it... a eclipse with like the little ^^^^ at the doors and hood and stuff use fiberglass or carbon fiber to shape the flat surfaces and mold them all together WOULD LOOK AWSOME

http://www.photobuster.com/veil.htm here ya go have fun!

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