Ok... this was just ... I don't want to say Pathetic...


Ok, it was.


I left work in a cranky/pissy mood. Ya know, after sitting in traffic for 3 hours with the sun in your eyes and having to drive 108 miles to work, and 108 miles home. You're kinda not in the mood for people and their randomness. At least I wasn't today.


So of course I had to drive the 7 miles home with the Blitz set to 14psi. Not that needed the car to be ready to boost for 14psi, I just wanted it to. One of those "reflect my moods" sorta things.


Anywho, half way home I'm cruising along in 4th gear at about 45mph. And I come along this Firebird with stock Dual exhaust. Hmmm, V8? Look at the taillights. Nope.. no honey-combs over the taillights. Ahh it's a V6 with the optional 'performance' exhaust. Which is good for a rated 5hp.

As I'm cruising next to the Firebird, I notice the two guys looking over and I hear the sound of a mighty V6 being gunned repeatedly. Then them laughing. And strangely enough I heard the guy say the word "Ricer" to his buddy. And them laughing.

Must of been my exhaust, kinda drones abit. Unless you get on it. Sounds like a WRC Rally car.

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

Yeah, the light ahead went red. So I was stuck next to the guys at the light. And they were still laughing... snickering... leering... and worst of all. Revving.

Light goes green, I take off normally. They start to take off with all the V6 might they have. Which sounded horrible I might add.

I shift to 2nd gear normally, and floor it. Boost comes quick and induce a rolling burnout past them with the exhaust roaring. Let off at 60mph. Drive normal.

Guys stayed back... they ended up next to me again at another light. Not a single peep. But of course I was looking right at them. :naughty:

hahaha they must of felt stupid when a 30+yr old car handed them their asss.. hahahahhaahah good kill..
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You're still a ricer. :p





Anyhow, how far ahead were you at 60? :)

You're still a ricer. :p





Anyhow, how far ahead were you at 60? :)



Hmmm... Maybe 3-4 bus lengths?

I honestly think he straight let off the gas once I went past him.


I know I would of if a car did a rolling burn out past me. :lol2:

Good kill. Actually bad kill, why waste the gas :p Then again you know I like the Anniversary editions with the Gran National engine.

good shit man. serves those corns right.

yay hahahaha

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

I feel your pain, man. LOL, rolling burnout past them, thats just too much...if a car PASSED me while slightly sideways, I think i would back off too.

How can people call a 240Z a "ricer" though? Most people that buy those cars either buy them to cruise (stock exhaust) or for a purpose (swapped and modded). Honestly I have yet to see a modded 240Z that isn't fast, probly because teens on a budget don't buy them.

You ever just snap? That little part of your brain that just goes... *KCHH!!* And you just go bonkers?

very nice kill heh. i must say that's the best part of it (see above) that was just so funny!!!! :rofl: :rofl: i'm gonna steal that and use that from now on

very nice. we've all got days like that, my last one was with an FD...

ricer fly-by on the little old mr2... that then stuck to his ass all the way up to 100 on the freeway onramp. then he kept going, lol.

i haven't tried the 2nd gear rolling burnout yet though... i call bs on you till you post a video ;)

was the firebird the 3.4 or 3.8 liter v6?

Does it matter?

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.

hehehe, thats funny, something they will never forget

sounds like alot of fun matt. dude matt aint no newb to motors or cars. so becareful he might just have to teach you a thing or too. also might i add he has a pretty wicked ass camaro.

on another note i wish the supercharger for my truck was cheaper so i could go fast like you guys

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.

:grinno: i think youve just started a flame war. and redneck says..........

heck i think at 7 psi a 3.8 would smoke that srd20detykdrgsrgtswrjtwpfgtfwkptww (most overrated engine in the world)

lol *sits down* *grabs popcorn*

i mean the kids prolly thought it was a stock z thats why they were laughing and he's judging the exhuast by the stock muffler no doubt........

always a good storyteller and once again, love your ride.

can i still wear my bra when i ride in your car?

camaroincal, just when I thinking about buying a V6 F-Body, you have to come back here and start being a dogmatic shit-talking prick. Now I don't wanna buy one anymore, if people like you are the kind of people who buy them. :(

hmmm....why would ne one ever want to put a turbo on v6 firebird is beyond me...go for the v8. makes a lot more sense. the point is that the firebird didnt have a turbo and it got its ass handed to it be a 30+ year old car. I dont think the sr is an overrated engine, but i do think its a good reliable one that can be found easily and modded well. I wish i had such an engine in my car...jesus...that would b awesome. I'm not here 2 start a flame war, but i also dont c what the point of defending a v6 firebird is. the firebird is a nice car in its v8 version, but the v6 is really nothing special. tell me what u guys think!

nice kill

That's awesome!!!

yup......why should u mod a p.o.s V6 firebird right ricers? Well maybe this is why....http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/

The fifth fastest time down from the top is a guy with a 1995 AUTO Firebird 3.8 V6..He has light-moderate mods and runs mid 12's at 10 psi..........

Sweet he's got nitrous too! I wanna have Nitrous! Then I'd be cool!

/sarcasm

um... no thats just on the turbo @ 10 psi....no nitrous mr. illiterate. 5th one down.........1 2 3 4 5!!!! ;) Shane Wahl is his name...5th one..err..lol

jesus christ here we go again on how V6 camaros are god

:evillol:

chill, camaroincal is funny as hell, good guy. just tryin to have a bit of fun, dont get all bent out of shape about it. why would anything he say make you not want to buy a stang, he hates stangs too, ask him.

:: also sits down and gets some popcorn ready to watch the show::

Actually I don't hate stangs......nor do I hate SR20DET powered cars. The reason my responses are hostile is because the original post was belittling of V6 F-bodies. SO as I always must at this forum.....I try standing up for it :)

sooo my nearly stock gti is a ricer? it has a chip and a new clutch...uhhh...and a nice stock stereo :uhoh: take a look: http://www.cardomain.com/id/deposition1688

well, in that case i guess my g36 is one also :biggrin:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/deposition1689

but thats not the point, the stock v6 firebird lost and thats that, if it had a turbo etc it might have been diff...blah blah, but it didn't...end of story, sry bout grammer, i'm in the middle of someting else, so im not going to b perfect

nothim wrong w/defending a v6 firebird, i respect that :smile:

S*** lol... coulda sworn that said sixth... all those V6 this V6 that musta confused me.

I love GM's 3800 Series II V6, it's a good motor and all, but the only reason I'd get one over the V8 is because I can't afford insurance on the V8 models. So yeah, the V6 is great, but it's nothing special.

The reason my responses are hostile is because the original post was belittling of V6 F-bodies.

The V6 F-Body owners were belittling him first, genius.

They were calling him a ricer, when in fact, they were the biggest posers of them all...they bought a car called "Camaro", and they thought they were fast. They forgot to check the "+ two more cylinders" options though...

Thay basically bought 1/3rd of the car, at 2/3rds of the price.

Also, YOU'RE the one acting like a ricer right now. WTF is with the "if I slap a turbo on it, it'll smoke you" bullcrap? What are you? In elementary-school?

Tell you what, I have a non-turbo SR20 that's basically stock for your V6 that you are so fucking desperate to get respect for.

Oh, and I'll see your 12-second Nitrous and/or turbo V6 Camaros with this list of turbo SR20's, which has dipped into the 9's (most of the cars on the list are street-legal): http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=12387, and raise you this list of naturally-aspirated SR20's that have dipped into the 11's (also mostly street-legal): http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=12387

BTW, those two lists are of the FWD variety of SR20's (Sentra SE-R's). Red's is a RWD, and is lighter than my Sentra, and therefore has more potential.

Don't let me embarrass you some more, with a list of what REAL Camaros can do.

I'd ban you for a week for just being an asshat in somebody else's thread, but since this is Red's thread, I'll let him have the "kill".






I do understand why you're the way you're the way you are though...owning a car that looks faster than it is, that is disrespected by V8's, other V6's (including its cousin, the GTP), and four-bangers.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

Holy shit...good job, carrrnuttt...now I'll REALLY feel like a dumb-ass if I buy a V6 Camaro.

To tell the truth i've had way more praises about my car than people bashing it. And there would be more 3800 F-bodies in the 11's and 12's and lower if there was as a big a market for them as there is for the SR20DET.

You obviously know nothing about the 3800. How is this engine mated to a 5 speed that much of a joke to you? That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........yet you act like I should be embarrased. fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....

Oh ya...............you are talking shit and you own a 92 Sentra.......... :grinno: :loser:

That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........

Please, PLEASE just stop.

It is a MID 15 SECOND car with a GODLIKE driver. Most decent drivers will run a high 15.

No one buys a V6 Camaro for performance anyways when the V8 only costs 2-3 thousand more, so you don't need to get all defensive...

um no...sorry...lol with godlike drivers it's seen high 14's.........and with experienced 5 speed drivers it see's low 15's

http://media.firebirdv6.com/unsunghero.html

To tell the truth i've had way more praises about my car than people bashing it. And there would be more 3800 F-bodies in the 11's and 12's and lower if there was as a big a market for them as there is for the SR20DET.

You obviously know nothing about the 3800. How is this engine mated to a 5 speed that much of a joke to you? That combination has seen 14's stock more than once..........yet you act like I should be embarrased. fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....
Just shut yer trap man, while you're still not too far behind.

The fact that you're sitting here, arguing about how "loved" your fucking car is, tells me just how much YOU wish you had a different car.

You're just justifying, which is pathetic.

My car is quick for what it is, but I will openly (and proudly) call it "my beater", or "my POS", which the way I like it, as most people underestimate my car that way, and get caught by surprise.

As for your car, think about this:
Passenger in a riced-out Civic: "Dude, it's a Camaro! Rev on him!"
Driver of the riced-out Civic: "Yeah! I'll shows him how bAdAsS my new exhaust is!"
Passenger in a riced-out Civic: "Oh wait..."
Driver of the riced-out Civic: "Crap, it's a V6...nevermind."

Learn to live with your car mang...gawd, we have people in here with slower cars than yours that whine less. But then again, THEIR car isn't pretending to be something it's not.

umm..ok Carnuttttt. keep talking. You're making me look better by the post......Explain to me then why 3.8 M5 F-bodies run right with and sometimes beat 94-98 Mustang GT automatics.......? If my car sucks so much what do you think of the GT?

I have a v6 firebird...it could use better gearing. But it's better than the Taurus I used to have by far; would rather have a V8 but i'm only 17 and insurance would rape me. I have little intentions of making a ton of mods to it, much less racing.

A let's-get-acquainted 15.23/89.5 was followed by a 15.37/90.3, 15.41/89.8 and a 15.47/89.2, with the engine getting successively hotter from being hot-lapped. With the air filter out and the serpentine belt off, the V6 responded after a cooldown with a 15.03/91.0 and a 15.15/90.3.

I'll give you low 15's, but they had to remove some stuff to get it really low. And I don't see a 14 anywhere on there. And it's still a hell of a lot slower than the Z28.

I have a v6 firebird...it could use better gearing. But it's better than the Taurus I used to have by far; would rather have a V8 but i'm only 17 and insurance would rape me. I have little intentions of making a ton of mods to it, much less racing.

That's exactly the same boat I'm in. I'm only 18 and I can't afford the insurance on a V8, and I don't really want that much power anyways. The V6 is enough for me; if I wanted to fast I'd get the V8 for sure.

Guys............seriously......a 3.8 F-body with a 5 speed is a nice car...it's quicker than you all think.....and I have plenty of fun with mine. :)

I'm not saying that the V6 Camaro is slow; it's quick, agile, and sporty, and that's why I want one. But if I wanted something truly FAST, I'd definitely spend a little more and get a V8. So it's kinda pointless to argue about how fast the V6 Camaro is when the V8 Camaro blows it out of the water anyways.

Wow, I've been gone a day and the thread Jumps 4 pages.


Ok, simple as this.


camaroincal, where are you located? I assume you're in California? If you're in the SoCal area I'll come to you and show you what I'm talking about.


Deal?

ha ha ha ha ha holy crap im mad i missed this unfold, matt im lovin it even more and the fact that it doesnt look like what it really is, is the best part... im glad those dudes got owned and camaroiconal(or however your name is spelled) v6's might be fast yes, faster than my truck(four cyl with broken motor mounts and a fucked up clutch) but the fact that i could spend 2 grand more and get something that could completely crush your car is fuckin hilarious. now the sr20 is overrated, what are u retarded, i know 2 people (not on this board) with sentras swapped with that motor and they are two of the fastest cars i know of, so dont talk s*** reds car cuz yours is slow, and like his post says above, if your soooo fast(and furious) then go give him a run and u'll see how "underrated" that motor is... id LOVE to see a vid of you two race if it happens.

fyi this v6 will give any V8 they put in Camaro from the mid 70's to the late a run for their money. And will kill them in the reliability and gas mileage....

ok...lame ass statement of the year!

dude, i've smoked 70's z28's in my old mustang

and it was a 6 too...a 200ci inline 6. GOOD JOB, you own a firebird and the attitude of an owner with a small prick, but instead its a small engine. They dont create aftermarket because its a BASE model, or the RS camaro...ooo, body and light suspension package. But yah, i'm sure the 6 you got was really designed for racing...unlike the crappy ol' SR line of motors..... :rolleyes:

compairing ANYTHING to stock mid 70's smogers is lame....go away poser. :nono:

Its things like this that make me want to go out and key a Camaro....
:uhoh: :naughty:

Totally agree, tv. My friend has a 79 camaro with a 305. it only puts out 130hp at the crank. Thats pretty pathetic for a 3,000-pound+ car

lol ya because if it was the 200 hp 225 tq 3.8, then its pretty stupid of him to talk shit about the Firebird's engine because if it had a turbo like him at the same psi, Firebird would smoke the shit out of him.



:rolleyes:

Wow, I've been gone a day and the thread Jumps 4 pages.


Ok, simple as this.


camaroincal, where are you located? I assume you're in California? If you're in the SoCal area I'll come to you and show you what I'm talking about.


Deal?

I'm in Norcal. You have a nice car....it's just you were mad or something when u posted your original post because anyone who read that and owns a V6 Camaro or Firebird feels offended by the way you worded it. And it is true that a 3.8 @ only 10 psi is capable of mid to low 12's. And your car is just maybe scratching at high 12's.............so....

ha ha ha ha ha holy crap im mad i missed this unfold, matt im lovin it even more and the fact that it doesnt look like what it really is, is the best part... im glad those dudes got owned and camaroiconal(or however your name is spelled) v6's might be fast yes, faster than my truck(four cyl with broken motor mounts and a fucked up clutch) but the fact that i could spend 2 grand more and get something that could completely crush your car is fuckin hilarious. now the sr20 is overrated, what are u retarded, i know 2 people (not on this board) with sentras swapped with that motor and they are two of the fastest cars i know of, so dont talk s*** reds car cuz yours is slow, and like his post says above, if your soooo fast(and furious) then go give him a run and u'll see how "underrated" that motor is... id LOVE to see a vid of you two race if it happens.

Well..for one ..I never said V6 Camaro's are fast...they are quick. And second...did I ever say I would beat him? I love how people are putting words in my mouth I never spoke :grinno:

ok...lame ass statement of the year!

dude, i've smoked 70's z28's in my old mustang

and it was a 6 too...a 200ci inline 6. GOOD JOB, you own a firebird and the attitude of an owner with a small prick, but instead its a small engine. They dont create aftermarket because its a BASE model, or the RS camaro...ooo, body and light suspension package. But yah, i'm sure the 6 you got was really designed for racing...unlike the crappy ol' SR line of motors..... :rolleyes:

compairing ANYTHING to stock mid 70's smogers is lame....go away poser. :nono:

I'm sorry this was a typo by me. I meant mid 70's to late 80's V8's they put in Camaro's. There is an aftermarket albeit a small one..but it's there.... And they do quite well in autocrosses actually.......

Its things like this that make me want to go out and key a Camaro....
:uhoh: :naughty:

I think this guy should be banned for saying this........

:rolleyes:

Can you explain this gesture?

And they do quite well in autocrosses actually.......

i wasn't going to say anything... but, i can't stop laughing from this statement. in my BONE STOCK *aside from a straightpipe* Estock 1986 Rx7 n/a, i could beat street prepared and STX/STS class camaros from the late 70's/early 80's

are we living in the same reality? or are there just a lot of those in your local chapter...?

The old RX-7s are BAD-ASS in autocross. My uncle had a Porsche 911 back then (he's a doctor so I guess he could afford to race it), and he was always getting swarmed by all the S22A RX-7s.

I'm in Norcal. You have a nice car....it's just you were mad or something when u posted your original post because anyone who read that and owns a V6 Camaro or Firebird feels offended by the way you worded it. And it is true that a 3.8 @ only 10 psi is capable of mid to low 12's. And your car is just maybe scratching at high 12's.............so....


I wasn't mad/upset/angry when I typed my post. I was just explaining how I felt during that time.

I was earlier in the day when the event happened. But that was because I was tired from work and driving all day and being in the sun all day. I just wasn't in the mood at the time. Normally, if somebody is gonna make fun of me or my car I just laugh too. Cause I don't care. No reason too.

BUT, I do think you're just upset that it happened to be a Firebird with a V6 that got totally annihilated. I don't see any other V6 F-body owners posting about how I've offended them that one of their brethern died in battle.

Sorry that I've offended you... nothing against F-body v6/v8 cars. I'm a Chevy guy at heart. Actually, ever since GM cancelled the F-body I really haven't been a Chevy/GM fan, except for the Corvette.

Just please, remember Camaros are not the end all performance cars.

wow what a bunch of fuckin whiners man

matt the car is sick, have fun with it and i hope the whiners will jsut give up, damn!

That V6 makes a nice economy motor. But with the market and potential that the LS1 has, there is no point in modifying that V6. If insurance and cost really holds you back from the Trans Am, there was always a much cheaper model called the Formula ya know.

Well camaroincal I understand what your saying you just went about it the wrong way.

First of all I love how everyone on here is like for "2 grand more buy a V8", not EVERYONE buys new cars. Used a V6 is much cheaper then a V8... for the most part. Why not mod a V6? its got more potential then a lot of engines on here (including the SR) and its DIFFERENT. I mean why mod a SR when you can mod a KA or RB and make it faster? No one rags on you guys. And yes I agree the SR is why too played out and overrated... Its almost as overrated as the skyline. (oh no I didn’t just say the Skyline is overrated Sarcasm )

Do I like the SR yes, but come on people the SR is getting as unique as a civic. And I think people I starting to develop the skyline attitude of "They only sell it in Japan it must be better".


Anyways in the end would I mod a V6 F-body? Yes. If given the choice of V6 or V8 of course I would go V8 but life doesn’t work like that. You race and mod what you got.

One thing though camaroincal. Even if you turbo the V6 like his SR he’s still got the Power to weight ratio on his side don’t forget. However true you never did say your car was faster then his.




PS-Im getting my first car next week yea me! :iceslolan Its a 1987 BMW 325is 5 speed im soo skied.

First of all I love how everyone on here is like for "2 grand more buy a V8", not EVERYONE buys new cars. Used a V6 is much cheaper then a V8... for the most part.

Well, it depends what year. But it's always going to be a small enough difference that it would make much more sense to get a V8.

The SR20 is overdone, yes, but it's not overrated. People get it for what it is, a cheap racing motor that bolts into the 240SX. The KA24 and RB25 are better drag motors anyways, and most people know that.

Well since F-bodies aren't created anymore, you can't buy anything but a used car. I don't really see where money is an excuse either, maybe an LS1 powered F-body is still quite expensive right now, but there is still the LT1's from the early-mid 90's. I can't imagine most of the older ones being over $12,000, and that's not a lot to spend on a car with payments. Hell there is even the 3rd gens with 305's and 350's which would still fly past a new V6 F-body like it was a moped.

Sure I get throwing a supercharger on the V6 if you want a little more pep, but it's not the engine to use if your serious about drag racing with an F-body.

Well since F-bodies aren't created anymore, you can't buy anything but a used car. I don't really see where money is an excuse either, maybe an LS1 powered F-body is still quite expensive right now, but there is still the LT1's from the early-mid 90's. I can't imagine most of the older ones being over $12,000, and that's not a lot to spend on a car with payments. Hell there is even the 3rd gens with 305's and 350's which would still fly past a new V6 F-body like it was a moped.

Sure I get throwing a supercharger on the V6 if you want a little more pep, but it's not the engine to use if your serious about drag racing with an F-body.

Yea but if he likes the newer body style then a person may op for the V6. And you COULD still make loads of power with the V6. Its just a matter if you want too.

The SR20 is overdone, yes, but it's not overrated. People get it for what it is, a cheap racing motor that bolts into the 240SX. The KA24 and RB25 are better drag motors anyways, and most people know that.

And thats my point. Why cant the same be said about the V6?

Why not mod a V6? its got more potential then a lot of engines on here (including the SR)...
LMAO

I'd like to see the the stock 3800 in the Camaro, hold up to getting boosted after 100K miles, and hold up-to 100K more miles.

Not to mention, I'd like to see it hold up-to 20psi of boost with stock internals, and up to 360WHP, again, with stock internals...and that's just the N/A version of the SR, the kind that is in my car. The already-turboe'd version (with even beefier internals) has been proven to hold up to 500+WHP in Japan with stock internals.

Not dissing the potential of the 3800, but you need to research a bit before you make wide claims like that, that some poor sap might end-up believing.

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More:

http://www.se-r.net/car_info/engine_performance_tuning.html#Crank,%20Rods,%20Be arings,%20Machining,%20Balancing,%20Coatings,%20Ma nifolds,%20etc.

"The SR20 is blessed with a near bulletproof bottom end. The crank and rods are forged steel unlike the typical cast iron that most American motors run. The rod bolts are a beefy 9mm. The crank features rolled fillets, an uncommon strengthening operation used usually only for racing or heavy duty parts. The rod bolt registers are spot faced, leaving a generous amount of metal around the bolt holes, a traditional weak area in connecting rods."

"Both the crank and rods are subjected to a severe shotpeening from the factory. Shotpeening microforges the surface of the part making it stronger and harder while leaving the interior soft and ductile. This step can improve the fatigue strength of a part by over 100% and is usually reserved for high end racing parts. The main caps are tied together with a stiff aluminum girdle which improves bottom end rigidity significantly. This feature is usually found in all out race motors. These design elements produce an engine that is nearly bulletproof. I have seen motors with over 100,000 miles on them with the factory honing marks still visible in the cylinder bores! The number of list members in the 100,000 Mile Club is a testament to the durability of the SR20."



http://www.importspeed-south.com/enjuku_racing_240.htm

"The complete package has netted Enjuku 544.2whp at Secret Services's dyno on STOCK bottom end. They are still getting more track time and working out little kinks - keep your eyes out for 10 second et's this year at a race track near you."

"The complete package has netted Enjuku 544.2whp at Secret Services's dyno on STOCK bottom end.
They act like its a big deal that its the stock bottom end but damn if its already got a forged steel crank and rods, what the hell else would you need to use but the stock bottom end? Thats kind of nice that it does come from the factory with that kind of quality though.

Not dissing the potential of the 3800, but you need to research a bit before you make wide claims like that, that some poor sap might end-up believing.

Duly noted :icon16:

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Still though if for nothing other then displacement the 3800 theoretically should make more hp in the end. 360whp is impressive but what kind of tq is the SR20DE throwing down with that hp? However I did some research this time so I don’t look stupid again. The 3800 is a cast iron block with iron heads so it should be able to hold a decent amount of power stock. Stock its putting out 205hp and 230tq and when I looked around I found a lot of 3800 making in the low to mid 300 with stock bottom ends. I found a supercharged GTP making 458HP/488TQ at the crank but he had forged pistons so I don’t know if you want to count that one. None the less though they seem to be able to handle a decent amount of power. (Don’t we have a GTP racer on here) Still though I have to admit the SRs 360whp with stock internals damn impressive. I think the 3800 could maybe do the same but it would be close. However don’t tell me the SR20DE will last very long being pushed like that either. In the end though if you mod both engines with forged internals the 3800 would make more power...just cause its bigger pretty much.

I definitely have a LOT! more respect for the SR motors though...them little things are beasts.



Had to write this dumb thing twice deleted first one :banghead:

i wasn't going to say anything... but, i can't stop laughing from this statement. in my BONE STOCK *aside from a straightpipe* Estock 1986 Rx7 n/a, i could beat street prepared and STX/STS class camaros from the late 70's/early 80's

are we living in the same reality? or are there just a lot of those in your local chapter...?

No actually they do well in G-stock category. Search...don't assume.

Duly noted :icon16:

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Still though if for nothing other then displacement the 3800 theoretically should make more hp in the end. 360whp is impressive but what kind of tq is the SR20DE throwing down with that hp? However I did some research this time so I don’t look stupid again. The 3800 is a cast iron block with iron heads so it should be able to hold a decent amount of power stock. Stock its putting out 205hp and 230tq and when I looked around I found a lot of 3800 making in the low to mid 300 with stock bottom ends. I found a supercharged GTP making 458HP/488TQ at the crank but he had forged pistons so I don’t know if you want to count that one. None the less though they seem to be able to handle a decent amount of power. (Don’t we have a GTP racer on here) Still though I have to admit the SRs 360whp with stock internals damn impressive. I think the 3800 could maybe do the same but it would be close. However don’t tell me the SR20DE will last very long being pushed like that either. In the end though if you mod both engines with forged internals the 3800 would make more power...just cause its bigger pretty much.

I definitely have a LOT! more respect for the SR motors though...them little things are beasts.



Had to write this dumb thing twice deleted first one :banghead:

Thanks for taking the time to actually read up on the V6 put in Camaro's (3800 series 2) If only the 3800 had an after market and research and developement like the SR20DET.....

G Stock Drivers: 41 Trophies:11
T 1 199 Robert Carpenter 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 53.598 53.575 53.506 106.884
[99] Knoxville, TN Volunteers X-ray, Kumho, Evo 63.100(2) 53.881 53.378
T 2 26 Ian Baker 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 59.550(2) 53.585 54.519 108.369
[126] Herndon, VA Mini Mania/CG Lock 55.520 54.802 54.784 -1.485
T 3 94 Mike Lillejord 03 Toyota Celica GT Yellow 54.919 53.988 53.883 108.413
Redmond, WA Team Pajama 56.836 56.151 54.530 -0.044
T 4 184 Alan McCrispin 03 Mini CooperS Blue Hoosier 53.672 56.227(1) 53.915 108.528
[84] Huntsville, AL Mini of Charleston/MINIUSA.COM 56.119 55.997 54.856 -0.115
T 5 99 Jim Zeisler 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 54.331 54.227 54.221 108.998
[199] Harrison, OH Rite Track Racing 56.021 56.435 54.777 -0.470
T 6 191 Rob Foley 00 Toyota Celica GT White Hoosier 56.564(1) 53.556 54.824 109.197
[91] Randolph, NJ HUOA Racing 57.297 57.769 55.641 -0.199
T 7 198 Craig Wilcox 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 54.133 54.187 53.973 109.251
[98] Blue Springs, MO Jackie Cooper Mini/Oasis Tan. 57.111 56.569 55.278 -0.054
T 8 63 William Loring 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Kumho 54.993 54.237 56.235(1) 109.420
Osceola, IN The Tire Rack 58.946 55.347 55.183 -0.169
T 9 126 Brian Garfield 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 54.845 54.379 54.265 109.568
[26] Mount Airy, MD Mini Mania/CG Lock DNF 55.527 55.303 -0.148
T 10 179 Jeff Templeton 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 57.386(1) 55.292 55.115 109.831
[79] Maplewood, MO democracy 56.386 54.716 59.953(2) -0.263
T 11 84 Mark Allen 03 Mini Cooper S Blue Hoosier 57.783(2) 54.287 54.761 110.366
[184] Weston, FL Miniusa.Com 57.991 57.581 56.079 -0.535
12 162 Patrick Washburn 95 Plymouth Neon Holstien Hoosier 56.308 54.647 54.916 110.508
[62] Wausau, WI C Tech Alum Trailer Cabinets 57.108 55.861 DNF -0.142
13 98 Ryan Barnard 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 55.695 54.735 54.956 110.877
[198] Blue Springs, MO Oasis Tan/Jackie Cooper Mini 58.676 57.549 56.142 -0.369
14 39 Jeff MacRae 03 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 55.032 55.708(1) 54.732 110.942
Bethlehem, PA Helix Minisports 60.389 57.101 56.210 -0.065
15 40 Michael Deyer 95 Honda Prelude VTEC Azure Kumho 56.620 55.138 55.746 111.027
West Valley City, UT Form + Function 59.481 56.709 55.889 -0.085
16 91 Kenny Sorensen 00 Toyota Celica Gt White Hoosier 54.518 53.930 53.440 111.217
[191] Prince Frederick, MD THANKS ROB 57.848 57.777 62.354(2) -0.190
17 175 Randy Webb 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow Hoosier 55.557 55.237 55.357 111.277
[75] Highland Ranch, CO Webb Motorsports 59.221 56.656 56.040 -0.060
18 68 Jason Minehart 02 Acura Rsx-S Blue Hoosier 56.330 55.555 54.891 111.306
Palm Coast, FL Team Underdog 56.639 56.415 56.783 -0.029
19 96 Mark Hirt 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 55.561 54.801 54.886 111.373
Prospect Heights, IL 58.013 57.184 56.572 -0.067
20 97 Gerno Reinard 02 VW Gti 337 Silver Kumho 57.056 55.727 57.929(1) 111.729
[197] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 56.509 57.191 56.002 -0.356
21 14 Tom Dupler 02 Mini Cooper S Blu 56.217 55.914 55.544 111.731
Derby, KS 59.678 58.777 56.187 -0.002
22 73 Scott Bowman 03 Mini Cooper Dark Silve Hoosier 55.163 55.058 56.681(1) 111.881
Leander, TX MinisUsa.com 57.934 65.060(3) 56.823 -0.150
23 85 Jon Krolewicz 85 Honda CRX Si Blue Hoosier 56.614 55.935 54.762 111.913
Pontiac, SC Seat Time Driving Days 57.267 57.151 58.107(1) -0.032
24 18 Bryan Schafer 95 BMW 318ti Red Hoosier 59.008(2) 55.036 54.845 112.075
Blue Ash, OH 60.421 58.613 57.230 -0.162
25 17 Bob Bornkessel 97 Dodge Neon ACR Black Hoosier 59.404 55.295 55.639 112.607
Overland Park, KS KU Medical Center 59.314 57.312 DNF -0.532
26 197 Mike Roberts 02 Volkswagen Gti 337 Silver Kumho 58.873(1) 55.951 59.142(2) 112.681
[97] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 59.749(1) 56.730 56.834(1) -0.074
27 4 Todd Peikert 94 Saturn Sc2 Blue/Black Kumho 57.430 56.462 56.866 112.786
Houston, TX Old Capitol Motorsports 56.324 56.926 60.474 -0.105
28 79 Chris Lybarger 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 59.879(1) 57.162 56.592 112.872
[179] Bethalto, IL 57.815 57.803 56.280 -0.086
29 177 Louis Kitel 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 57.520(1) 54.977 56.803(1) 113.050
[77] Pointe-Des-Cascades, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 60.460 59.168(1) 58.073 -0.178
30 75 Grant Barclay 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow/Whi Hoosier 57.574 56.226 55.812 114.023
[175] Loveland, CO Advanced Spine & Rehab DNF 59.244 58.211 -0.973
31 92 Bob Jardine 02 Ford Focus Black Hoosier 56.417 54.913 55.260 114.101
West Covine, CA 59.188 62.339 61.443(2) -0.078
32 42 Mike Bronson 93 Ford Probe GT Black Hoosier 58.529(1) 56.533 56.508 115.459
West Des Moines, IA 61.851(1) 59.144 58.951 -1.358
33 76 Carl Turner 03 Volkswagon GTI Red Hoosier 58.735 57.640 DNF 115.737
Colorado Springs, CO Terranaut 62.406 60.572 58.097 -0.278
34 95 Charles Frank 02 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 57.264 56.422 56.087 116.227
Durham, NC CHARLES FRANK, goldsmith 60.140 DNF DNF -0.490
35 77 Simon Bougie 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 63.294(2) 56.947 56.906 116.946
[177] Terrebonne, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 62.074 60.040(1) 60.471(1) -0.719
36 53 Mark Shaw 03 VW Beetle Turbo S Grey Hoosier DNF 58.762(1) 58.749(1) 119.731
Chandler, AZ Windupkey.Com 63.653(1) DNF 60.982(1) -2.785
37 22 Sean Ittner 00 Ford Mustang V6 Black 62.882 60.758 59.358 119.995
Dawsonville, GA Thanks Mom & Dad ! ! ! 67.717 63.634 60.637 -0.264
38 89 Walter Day 87 Volkswagon GTI Maroon Hoosier 61.907 62.127 61.429 126.025
Derby, KS Escape Reality Racing DNF 68.649 64.596 -6.030
39 69 Jared Adamson 95 Dodge Neon Blue 68.958(1) 64.250 64.988 132.698
Salina, KS 91.466(2) 68.448 74.427(2) -6.673
40 62 Dan Hampton 95 Plymouth Neon White 56.871 59.318 58.590 No Time
[162] Galesville, WI DNF DNF DNF
41 2 Neil Wilson 02 Ford SVT Focus Blue Hoosier DNS DNS DNS No Time
Oak Harbor, OH


well, here are the results from this year's nationals for G-Stock. did you search? or do you feel that nationals isn't a fair control group?

OMG MY EYES!

Uhhh.... yeah.... I think someone just got owned.

OMG MY EYES!

Uhhh.... yeah.... I think someone just got owned.

nope, i see no one getting owned, i see a few people with some brown on their noses tho

GritMaster, you're too excitable :)

nope, i see no one getting owned, i see a few people with some brown on their noses tho


:rolleyes:


He said they did well in G-stock. Yet no F-body's are present at the Nationals.

you also gotta remember yes in theory a larger displacement engine should make more power, but you gotta look at the way the heads and ports flow. i'm pretty sure a SR20DET would flow more air since it has 16 valves as oppose to having just 12 on the 3.8 liter engine. also the heads on SR's flows very very well. and even though the SR makes 544whp it should make a tq figure very close to it since its a perfectly squared engine. so its tq should still be in the 500's.

G Stock Drivers: 41 Trophies:11
T 1 199 Robert Carpenter 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 53.598 53.575 53.506 106.884
[99] Knoxville, TN Volunteers X-ray, Kumho, Evo 63.100(2) 53.881 53.378
T 2 26 Ian Baker 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 59.550(2) 53.585 54.519 108.369
[126] Herndon, VA Mini Mania/CG Lock 55.520 54.802 54.784 -1.485
T 3 94 Mike Lillejord 03 Toyota Celica GT Yellow 54.919 53.988 53.883 108.413
Redmond, WA Team Pajama 56.836 56.151 54.530 -0.044
T 4 184 Alan McCrispin 03 Mini CooperS Blue Hoosier 53.672 56.227(1) 53.915 108.528
[84] Huntsville, AL Mini of Charleston/MINIUSA.COM 56.119 55.997 54.856 -0.115
T 5 99 Jim Zeisler 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 54.331 54.227 54.221 108.998
[199] Harrison, OH Rite Track Racing 56.021 56.435 54.777 -0.470
T 6 191 Rob Foley 00 Toyota Celica GT White Hoosier 56.564(1) 53.556 54.824 109.197
[91] Randolph, NJ HUOA Racing 57.297 57.769 55.641 -0.199
T 7 198 Craig Wilcox 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 54.133 54.187 53.973 109.251
[98] Blue Springs, MO Jackie Cooper Mini/Oasis Tan. 57.111 56.569 55.278 -0.054
T 8 63 William Loring 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Kumho 54.993 54.237 56.235(1) 109.420
Osceola, IN The Tire Rack 58.946 55.347 55.183 -0.169
T 9 126 Brian Garfield 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 54.845 54.379 54.265 109.568
[26] Mount Airy, MD Mini Mania/CG Lock DNF 55.527 55.303 -0.148
T 10 179 Jeff Templeton 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 57.386(1) 55.292 55.115 109.831
[79] Maplewood, MO democracy 56.386 54.716 59.953(2) -0.263
T 11 84 Mark Allen 03 Mini Cooper S Blue Hoosier 57.783(2) 54.287 54.761 110.366
[184] Weston, FL Miniusa.Com 57.991 57.581 56.079 -0.535
12 162 Patrick Washburn 95 Plymouth Neon Holstien Hoosier 56.308 54.647 54.916 110.508
[62] Wausau, WI C Tech Alum Trailer Cabinets 57.108 55.861 DNF -0.142
13 98 Ryan Barnard 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 55.695 54.735 54.956 110.877
[198] Blue Springs, MO Oasis Tan/Jackie Cooper Mini 58.676 57.549 56.142 -0.369
14 39 Jeff MacRae 03 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 55.032 55.708(1) 54.732 110.942
Bethlehem, PA Helix Minisports 60.389 57.101 56.210 -0.065
15 40 Michael Deyer 95 Honda Prelude VTEC Azure Kumho 56.620 55.138 55.746 111.027
West Valley City, UT Form + Function 59.481 56.709 55.889 -0.085
16 91 Kenny Sorensen 00 Toyota Celica Gt White Hoosier 54.518 53.930 53.440 111.217
[191] Prince Frederick, MD THANKS ROB 57.848 57.777 62.354(2) -0.190
17 175 Randy Webb 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow Hoosier 55.557 55.237 55.357 111.277
[75] Highland Ranch, CO Webb Motorsports 59.221 56.656 56.040 -0.060
18 68 Jason Minehart 02 Acura Rsx-S Blue Hoosier 56.330 55.555 54.891 111.306
Palm Coast, FL Team Underdog 56.639 56.415 56.783 -0.029
19 96 Mark Hirt 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 55.561 54.801 54.886 111.373
Prospect Heights, IL 58.013 57.184 56.572 -0.067
20 97 Gerno Reinard 02 VW Gti 337 Silver Kumho 57.056 55.727 57.929(1) 111.729
[197] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 56.509 57.191 56.002 -0.356
21 14 Tom Dupler 02 Mini Cooper S Blu 56.217 55.914 55.544 111.731
Derby, KS 59.678 58.777 56.187 -0.002
22 73 Scott Bowman 03 Mini Cooper Dark Silve Hoosier 55.163 55.058 56.681(1) 111.881
Leander, TX MinisUsa.com 57.934 65.060(3) 56.823 -0.150
23 85 Jon Krolewicz 85 Honda CRX Si Blue Hoosier 56.614 55.935 54.762 111.913
Pontiac, SC Seat Time Driving Days 57.267 57.151 58.107(1) -0.032
24 18 Bryan Schafer 95 BMW 318ti Red Hoosier 59.008(2) 55.036 54.845 112.075
Blue Ash, OH 60.421 58.613 57.230 -0.162
25 17 Bob Bornkessel 97 Dodge Neon ACR Black Hoosier 59.404 55.295 55.639 112.607
Overland Park, KS KU Medical Center 59.314 57.312 DNF -0.532
26 197 Mike Roberts 02 Volkswagen Gti 337 Silver Kumho 58.873(1) 55.951 59.142(2) 112.681
[97] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 59.749(1) 56.730 56.834(1) -0.074
27 4 Todd Peikert 94 Saturn Sc2 Blue/Black Kumho 57.430 56.462 56.866 112.786
Houston, TX Old Capitol Motorsports 56.324 56.926 60.474 -0.105
28 79 Chris Lybarger 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 59.879(1) 57.162 56.592 112.872
[179] Bethalto, IL 57.815 57.803 56.280 -0.086
29 177 Louis Kitel 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 57.520(1) 54.977 56.803(1) 113.050
[77] Pointe-Des-Cascades, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 60.460 59.168(1) 58.073 -0.178
30 75 Grant Barclay 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow/Whi Hoosier 57.574 56.226 55.812 114.023
[175] Loveland, CO Advanced Spine & Rehab DNF 59.244 58.211 -0.973
31 92 Bob Jardine 02 Ford Focus Black Hoosier 56.417 54.913 55.260 114.101
West Covine, CA 59.188 62.339 61.443(2) -0.078
32 42 Mike Bronson 93 Ford Probe GT Black Hoosier 58.529(1) 56.533 56.508 115.459
West Des Moines, IA 61.851(1) 59.144 58.951 -1.358
33 76 Carl Turner 03 Volkswagon GTI Red Hoosier 58.735 57.640 DNF 115.737
Colorado Springs, CO Terranaut 62.406 60.572 58.097 -0.278
34 95 Charles Frank 02 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 57.264 56.422 56.087 116.227
Durham, NC CHARLES FRANK, goldsmith 60.140 DNF DNF -0.490
35 77 Simon Bougie 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 63.294(2) 56.947 56.906 116.946
[177] Terrebonne, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 62.074 60.040(1) 60.471(1) -0.719
36 53 Mark Shaw 03 VW Beetle Turbo S Grey Hoosier DNF 58.762(1) 58.749(1) 119.731
Chandler, AZ Windupkey.Com 63.653(1) DNF 60.982(1) -2.785
37 22 Sean Ittner 00 Ford Mustang V6 Black 62.882 60.758 59.358 119.995
Dawsonville, GA Thanks Mom & Dad ! ! ! 67.717 63.634 60.637 -0.264
38 89 Walter Day 87 Volkswagon GTI Maroon Hoosier 61.907 62.127 61.429 126.025
Derby, KS Escape Reality Racing DNF 68.649 64.596 -6.030
39 69 Jared Adamson 95 Dodge Neon Blue 68.958(1) 64.250 64.988 132.698
Salina, KS 91.466(2) 68.448 74.427(2) -6.673
40 62 Dan Hampton 95 Plymouth Neon White 56.871 59.318 58.590 No Time
[162] Galesville, WI DNF DNF DNF
41 2 Neil Wilson 02 Ford SVT Focus Blue Hoosier DNS DNS DNS No Time
Oak Harbor, OH


well, here are the results from this year's nationals for G-Stock. did you search? or do you feel that nationals isn't a fair control group?

lol........ya find an autocross event where no F-body V6's were present. I have read a couple articles saying how they are well suited to autocross and have seen some thread of people talking about them in autocrosses and some results here and there where they faired ok....

like you said before, post some proof.


i'm not saying that F-body cars aren't fast -the newer v-8 camaros and such have immense point and squirt capability at autoX. In fact, at the last event here (even though it was the same time as nationals so most of our heavy hitters were off winning their classes there ;)) the top time of day was a prepared camaro! and that thing is FAST i've ridden in it.

I have been searching for articles I've seen in the past and can't friggen find em it's making me mad......but I will find them. I also have some informationj regarding a guy running and N/A Firebird with a 3800 running 11's....gimme a few..

I have been searching for articles I've seen in the past and can't friggen find em it's making me mad......but I will find them. I also have some informationj regarding a guy running and N/A Firebird with a 3800 running 11's....gimme a few..
What we're all saying is that Redneck383 wasn't bashing V6 F-bodies, he was bashing the dumbasses that were driving it. Now PLEASE don't turn into an ECOT3C and start pushing your V6 f-body propaganda around here, since us forum members don't give a flying fuck about NA 3800's running 11's....good for him. Nearly any engine configuration can break 11's NA with enough financial support, is that so hard to understand?

As we said before, the SR series engine may be hyped quite a bit, but that's because it is such a capable engine, and it often finds itself in vehicles weighing LESS than 2800 lbs, unlike your 3800 series V6.

Now don't get me wrong, I drove a 1996 Pontiac Bonneville for quite a while, and GM's 3.8L is no slouch. They're peppy little engines, but by no means quick.

And stop the retarded argument that "Oh they would've dusted you if they were pushing 10 psi too...well they weren't and they lost. Cry about it.

So get over the fact that you drive a V6 f-body, and accept the fact that one of your brother vehicles went down.

:mad:

ya ....by no means quick....tell that to this guy..I think he knows a little more about engines being quick than any one here...

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=001851 click the link on the post below mine for all the information. This is just to show that this engine has potential unlike most of you think... :disappoin

http://www.mlive.com/news/advancenewspapers/penasee/index.ssf?/base/news-0/109207953692830.xml This is talking about the guy that owns the car. He is a very experienced guy when it comes to cars and their potential I would think...read the article.....

Dude, NO ONE is saying the V6 doesn't have potential, they're saying that ANY engine has potential, so to herald the V6 for its potential to be fast (which is considerably less than the V8) is redundant and pointless. Yes, there are V6 F-Bodies that run 11's, there are also 80's Civics and Corolla running 10's. Any car can be fast with enough money, but some take more than others, and the V6 takes a lot more money put into it than the V8 to become a real powerhouse.

What we're all saying is that Redneck383 wasn't bashing V6 F-bodies, he was bashing the dumbasses that were driving it. Now PLEASE don't turn into an ECOT3C and start pushing your V6 f-body propaganda around here, since us forum members don't give a flying fuck about NA 3800's running 11's....good for him. Nearly any engine configuration can break 11's NA with enough financial support, is that so hard to understand?



:mad:

actually i do give a flying fuck, thats pretty bad ass to see an na v6 doin stuff like that, especially a car that doesnt have alot of aftermarket, so when you say US FORUM MEMBERS, speak for yourself

Dude, NO ONE is saying the V6 doesn't have potential, they're saying that ANY engine has potential, so to herald the V6 for its potential to be fast (which is considerably less than the V8) is redundant and pointless. Yes, there are V6 F-Bodies that run 11's, there are also 80's Civics and Corolla running 10's. Any car can be fast with enough money, but some take more than others, and the V6 takes a lot more money put into it than the V8 to become a real powerhouse.

Ya..it's running 11's....N/A makes a big difference LOL :screwy: 80's civics and corrola's running 10's with the engines they came with..and N/A?..... highly doubt it....

actually i do give a flying fuck, thats pretty bad ass to see an na v6 doin stuff like that, especially a car that doesnt have alot of aftermarket, so when you say US FORUM MEMBERS, speak for yourself

Seriously....lol

Still looking for that auto-X stuff.....even though 98% of you don't care :)

well, here's a nine second N/A civic..

http://www.ericksracing.com/racecar.htm

Damnit sk8ter beat me to it :(

actually i do give a flying fuck, thats pretty bad ass to see an na v6 doin stuff like that, especially a car that doesnt have alot of aftermarket, so when you say US FORUM MEMBERS, speak for yourself
Fair enough, but that is not my original point. I do agree, it is quite the acomplishment, but MANY other vehicles have accomplished this, all with lots of $$$$$. It doesn't make the 3.8L any more special than the hundreds of other engine configurations out there.

Fair enough, but that is not my original point. I do agree, it is quite the acomplishment, but MANY other vehicles have accomplished this, all with lots of $$$$$. It doesn't make the 3.8L any more special than the hundreds of other engine configurations out there.

im not saying its any more speacial, any na v6 engine getting anything lower than12.5 is a pretty big feat in my eyes

im not saying its any more speacial, any na v6 engine getting anything lower than12.5 is a pretty big feat in my eyes

Well as you saw, an all-motor four-banger (a Civic nonetheless) got below 10 flat, so it's not that big a deal really.

Well as you saw, an all-motor four-banger (a Civic nonetheless) got below 10 flat, so it's not that big a deal really.

to you maybe not, still is to me, they obviously put tons of work into it, so ya it is a big deal

Fair enough, it doesn't seem very practical but it's still cool to see the underdog making such a good effort.

ya ....by no means quick....tell that to this guy..I think he knows a little more about engines being quick than any one here...

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=001851 click the link on the post below mine for all the information. This is just to show that this engine has potential unlike most of you think... :disappoin

http://www.mlive.com/news/advancenewspapers/penasee/index.ssf?/base/news-0/109207953692830.xml This is talking about the guy that owns the car. He is a very experienced guy when it comes to cars and their potential I would think...read the article.....

Dude.

Shut up.

Go back to your Camaro forums, where I'm sure, you're WIDELY respected...right?

For those that give a flying-fuck about him, and his oh-so-fast V6 Camaros, please go see him, and his wondrous car in the Camaro forums, as this wasted thread is done.

Tell you what, the next time a 4-banger beats you, feel free to tell him, "well my V6 has potential!", so you can feel better about your car-purchase, k? Quit bothering most of us about your need to justify your car.

Locked.