Honda Pilot vs Toyota 4Runner


Flyguy_1
09-09-2004, 07:44 PM
I've narrowed my upcoming SUV down to either the Honda Pilot EX or the Toyota 4Runner V6 SR5 4x4. As reliability and practicality or very high on my wish list. I also might be interested in the Toyota Highlander, but I didn't really feel it stacked up against the Pilot.

They are all priced at just under $40,000 Canadian.

I am hedging towards the Pilot, as it's a bit roomier and slightly better on fuel...but am struggling with the decision.

I'm curious as to the opinions of others, so if you have one please share :)

YogsVR4
09-10-2004, 02:43 PM
I don't have any direct experience with any of the SUVs, but I've been happy with my Accord. So my nod goes to the Honda.













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CaTasHtRoPhE 67
09-10-2004, 09:47 PM
my favorite of them is the toyota 4 runner but i like the limiteds that just my choice

Oldengineer
09-11-2004, 01:47 AM
My daughter has owned a 2003 4Runner V6 with 2WD for over a year now. The car is built like a tank - much more substantial than the Honda. She's never had any issues what-so-ever with it. The car is fairly quick, handles well, and gets decent gas mileage for its size. Its build quality is very impressive. Its gets my recommendation.

Regards:
Oldengineer

mx6rrr
09-11-2004, 02:03 AM
My parents had a 98 4runner (leased) and it was awesome, never had any problems for the 2.5 yrs we had it and I know they last forever. Toyota makes an awesome truck. If I ever buy a pickup or a SUV, it will be from Toyota. As far as the different models, it just depends on what options and what size you are looking for...and how much you want to spend....Good luck.

akboss
12-03-2009, 08:32 AM
It honestly depends on your needs, as these are two very different vehicles. The Honda is basically a crossover, using lighter and tighter unibody construction and an electronic AWD system. The 4Runner is built on a ladder frame, referred to as 'body-on-frame' with a driver controlled differential for real 4-wheel-drive.

The Pros of the 4Runner are that it is tough - you can sling this truck through mud and trails and it will come out unscathed. Because it has a 4-Lo setting on the 4x4, you can crawl over rocks and through mud and water without getting stuck. The cons are that it has a rougher ride and carries more weight, so your gas mileage suffers, as does the on-road ride quality and handling. If you are going to be moving people more than fording streams or climbing mountains, the Honda offers better on-road performance, better mileage and more room, still with the basic all-weather capability of an AWD system.

Personally I would recommend the Toyota as the 4Runner is legendary, and if you're getting an SUV you might as well get a real one, otherwise just get a Honda Odyssey.

Shpuker
12-03-2009, 08:18 PM
I vote Grand Cherokee..............

akboss
12-04-2009, 09:35 AM
I vote Grand Cherokee..............

Grand Cherokee's are compost on wheels, a tragic mess of a truck. Unless of course you like gas tank fires...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/12/nhtsa-to-investigate-3-million-1993-2004-jeep-grand-cherokee-ove/

JerryLangdon
12-04-2009, 02:10 PM
I have a 1996 Toyota 4Runner (Limited). It is AMAZING! It's over 10 years old with 200,000 miles and I honestly have had ZERO major problems. I'm almost waiting for the day it breaks down because I feel like it is way too old to be running this well. I love Toyotas.

Shpuker
12-04-2009, 05:53 PM
Grand Cherokee's are compost on wheels, a tragic mess of a truck. Unless of course you like gas tank fires...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/12/nhtsa-to-investigate-3-million-1993-2004-jeep-grand-cherokee-ove/

:lol: Gotta be honest, I've never hear that one before.

And the OP is buying the car new. The GC looks better, lasts longer, drives better, and rides better......

EDIT: And my paps had a 96 GC with something like 180,000 miles on it, nothing ever broke....... Or started on fire....... It did get rear ended once...... Didn't even scratch it though yet it totaled the other car:rofl:

akboss
12-07-2009, 07:59 AM
:lol: Gotta be honest, I've never hear that one before.

And the OP is buying the car new. The GC looks better, lasts longer, drives better, and rides better......


I'll give you one thing, the new 2011 coming out looks great.

Shpuker
12-09-2009, 12:54 AM
I'll give you one thing, the new 2011 coming out looks great.

Its got the new Penstar V6 in it too :D

akboss
12-09-2009, 09:42 AM
Have they figured out how to make gas tanks that don't burst into flames yet?

Shpuker
12-09-2009, 11:34 PM
Have they figured out how to make gas tanks that don't burst into flames yet?

Yea they did that a few years back, tis a key feature......

NotoriousPhil
12-14-2009, 11:10 AM
If you only want to have it for 5 years get the Pilot but if you want to have it 10+ years get the 4 runner or the highlander.

TTTTOOOOOYYYYYOOOOOTTTTTAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Shpuker
12-16-2009, 02:02 AM
If you only want to have it for 5 years get the Pilot but if you want to have it 10+ years get the 4 runner or the highlander.

TTTTOOOOOYYYYYOOOOOTTTTTAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!


Sucks.......... :grinyes:

NotoriousPhil
12-16-2009, 08:37 AM
Wow, that was an informed response, you care to elaborate why???

akboss
12-16-2009, 08:45 AM
Toyota trucks are solid man. Well, maybe the Tundra has had some rough spots lately, but 4Runners are tanks. I wish we got more Toyota diesels here in Canada and US, but alas the restrictions are quite a bit tighter here, for better or worse.

A few years back at the Canadian International Auto Show they had a Toyota Off-Road course set up where you could drive any one of the new Toyota vehicles on an off-road course, it was awesome! I took the 4Runner, and in that terrain it honestly felt ready for anything! Great great truck. Just too thirsty!!!

codythesamurai
12-16-2009, 09:00 AM
what about the X-Terra?

NotoriousPhil
12-16-2009, 09:46 AM
Do they even make the x-terra anymore? wasn't a good suv at all very impratical. It was aimed and the x-games fans and outdoorsmen not quite the best suv for a daily driver, not to mention the cheap quality of the interior.

akboss
12-16-2009, 10:02 AM
They currently make the XTerra and sell lots of them, my friend has an '08 Off Road edition and it's a beautiful truck. Not sure what's so cheap about it, maybe you're thinking of a 2000 model year, because his truck is solid as a rock. The XTerra is what an SUV is supposed to be, rugged. If you're not going to build it rugged, get a station wagon or a minivan, they have more space and are much more affordable and practical. In essence, most all SUV's are impractical, unless you use them for off-road capability. The XTerra uses a 3.5L V6 for good pep but better mileage than the beasty V8's from Amurica, it has available locking rear and center differentials, awesome approach/departure angles and tons of clearance. It's not a poser truck, it's actually capable.

NotoriousPhil
12-16-2009, 11:12 AM
Ok yeah I was talking about the earlier models, haven't seen a new one yet so i can't say but hopefully they beefed it up some. Hopefully its not like the new Nissan Rogue which after 5000 km the power steering rack needs to be changed. But I like that they put the 3.5 in the x-terra. I love the 3.5 maxima s fun quick car to drive with a bit of luxury.

Shpuker
12-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Toyota trucks are solid man. Well, maybe the Tundra has had some rough spots lately, but 4Runners are tanks. I wish we got more Toyota diesels here in Canada and US, but alas the restrictions are quite a bit tighter here, for better or worse.

A few years back at the Canadian International Auto Show they had a Toyota Off-Road course set up where you could drive any one of the new Toyota vehicles on an off-road course, it was awesome! I took the 4Runner, and in that terrain it honestly felt ready for anything! Great great truck. Just too thirsty!!!

Yea the FJ is the only new Toyota with even a tad bit of off-road capabilities, but it looks like total crap.

But wait a second...... Toyota makes diesels? :lol:

P.S. I woulda tryed to take the Prius on the off road track :D

akboss
12-16-2009, 04:50 PM
Yea the FJ is the only new Toyota with even a tad bit of off-road capabilities, but it looks like total crap.

But wait a second...... Toyota makes diesels? :lol:

P.S. I woulda tryed to take the Prius on the off road track :D

Lots of the new Toyota trucks have off-road capability - Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, and in other countries the Land Cruiser is king. Do you think the U.N. uses Dodge Ram's when they're in the desert or the jungle overseas? Nope - they use Toyotas. When Jeremy Clarkson wanted to DRIVE to the North Pole in a truck, he chose a Toyota Hilux diesel. I'm pretty sure they put out a bunch of commercials a while back about it. Not that commercials make it true, but they were just filming people that were already using Toyotas in the worst environments.

Shpuker
12-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Lots of the new Toyota trucks have off-road capability - Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, and in other countries the Land Cruiser is king. Do you think the U.N. uses Dodge Ram's when they're in the desert or the jungle overseas? Nope - they use Toyotas. When Jeremy Clarkson wanted to DRIVE to the North Pole in a truck, he chose a Toyota Hilux diesel. I'm pretty sure they put out a bunch of commercials a while back about it. Not that commercials make it true, but they were just filming people that were already using Toyotas in the worst environments.

Well if you want the truth most people working in the worst enviornments on Earth use Mercedes-Benz's....... Guess whos acosiated with them?

P.S. Do they even get Rams in England? I honestly have no clue.

NotoriousPhil
12-17-2009, 09:44 AM
Yet another informed post by Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) .... Can you give an example of people that use mercedes benz in horrible conditions becasue as the previous post stat if you want to drive thru the dessert you use a land cruiser and the north pole use a hilux. Toyota has been tried and tested over the last 20+ years and allways meets the challenge head on unlike american truck that dont get me wrong for torque and a nice sounding exaust are great for feeding your american ego but for results Toyota is unbeatable.

Shpuker
12-18-2009, 02:55 AM
Yet another informed post by Shpuker (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=622759) .... Can you give an example of people that use mercedes benz in horrible conditions becasue as the previous post stat if you want to drive thru the dessert you use a land cruiser and the north pole use a hilux. Toyota has been tried and tested over the last 20+ years and allways meets the challenge head on unlike american truck that dont get me wrong for torque and a nice sounding exaust are great for feeding your american ego but for results Toyota is unbeatable.

So an underpowered SUV with a pickup bed the Toyota isn't to miserable.

Though I'd also like to see your example of Toyota's being used in desert/arctic/whatere extreme conditions. Ohh and which truck did Car & Driver, Pickuptrucks.com, JD Power, and a few others pick as the truck of the year? Heres a hint, its not made by toyota.

NotoriousPhil
12-18-2009, 08:28 AM
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I can keep going you want more? When I looked this up I didnt see and benzies though isn't that funny?

NotoriousPhil
12-18-2009, 08:31 AM
Toyota Hilux completes another polar conquest, reaching the South Pole

- Vehicles provide support for scientists, teams and officials for the Amundsen Omega3 South Pole Race
- Achievement follows successful 2007 Top Gear expedition to the Magnetic North Pole
- Hilux outperforms snowcats as a faster, more comfortable and fuel-efficient means of transport

Toyotapedia.org (http://www.toyotapedia.org/)

akboss
12-18-2009, 08:40 AM
Puker, just type 'toyota off-road' into youtube and watch for hours at the footage of Toyotas in the harshest environments, 'not' breaking down.

And of course those publications don't put a Toyota as truck of the year, they get a giant cheque handed over to them by Chevy or Dodge. If you look at the proven history of the vehicles, Toyotas are better built trucks, period. Who cares what a publication says, look outside a magazine or commercials you see on TV and see what's happening in the real world.

Notorious, did you see that episode of Top Gear where they tried to kill the Toyota Hilux pickup and they couldn't destroy it? They lit it on fire, dropped a camper trailer on it, sunk it in the Ocean and collapsed an apartment building on it - the truck still ran with no replacement parts! It's now in their studio as a reminder to all other lesser trucks.

Now, the SVT Raptor is another story...

NotoriousPhil
12-18-2009, 08:46 AM
I've heard of it but haven't seen it I am going to try and find it and maybe puker should too.
Thanx Ak

akboss
12-18-2009, 09:10 AM
Here y'are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWc_flGRT_o

NotoriousPhil
12-18-2009, 09:25 AM
Awesome, that is some impressive sh*t. GO TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!

Shpuker
12-19-2009, 03:46 AM
Puker, just type 'toyota off-road' into youtube and watch for hours at the footage of Toyotas in the harshest environments, 'not' breaking down.

And of course those publications don't put a Toyota as truck of the year, they get a giant cheque handed over to them by Chevy or Dodge. If you look at the proven history of the vehicles, Toyotas are better built trucks, period. Who cares what a publication says, look outside a magazine or commercials you see on TV and see what's happening in the real world.

Notorious, did you see that episode of Top Gear where they tried to kill the Toyota Hilux pickup and they couldn't destroy it? They lit it on fire, dropped a camper trailer on it, sunk it in the Ocean and collapsed an apartment building on it - the truck still ran with no replacement parts! It's now in their studio as a reminder to all other lesser trucks.

Now, the SVT Raptor is another story...

You guys wana try using something other than the old Toyota's or the highly modified ones? Didn't think so.

I know Toyota's used to be extremely durable. The new ones are frangly, pathetic

NotoriousPhil
12-19-2009, 08:48 AM
Ok I'm tired of this Toyota's have allways been built great and are even more reliable today, anyone that works in a garage knows that because we see for ourselves.Toyota has done nothing but improve their product I dont know where you got this idea in your head about the new line being cheap, it sounds rediculous.

akboss
12-21-2009, 09:38 AM
Notorious, I have agreed with you up until this point about Toyota's being built better than most other cars, but saying they are built better now than ever is a bit of a long shot. I have only had good experiences with older Toyota's, and have driven a few newer ones and they feel solid, but from recent press and recalls it seems as though their heyday has passed. The massive rusting issues on the Tundra, the frame cracks in the FJ Cruiser, the 2008 recall for power windows in Corollas and the 2009 recall for cold-weather brake failures in Matrix/Vibe/Corolla's all point to a problem in Toyota's values - they were more in a hurry to beat GM than they were to keep making reliable products. They have learned from their mistake and have vowed to return their focus to making better cars going forward, and even at their worst Toyota overall still had better reliability than most.

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