Yeah, it gets pretty sad when manufacuters do that. The Shelby GT350 was a pretty good car, but after a couple of years, they used it as a gimmick to sell overpriced luxury mustangs.

SCREW YOU
PORSCHE ROCKS.
Porsche's are boughten by true car enthusiasts and everyone touched by the magic of these machines, becomes satanicly in love with them.

Ferrari's are boughten by people who want to show that they have money - status symbols , more or less.

To a certain extent, (and i emphasise this), the same can be said of BMW and their "M" division, which would do well to remember what it really stands for.

cheers,
jay

Whoa there Banchi, chill your ass and settle down. We're not talking smack about Porsches here. We're Porsche guys, hell, I own a Porsche!

Not all Ferraris are bought by rich pretensious fops, just most of them.

BMW is almost Porsche's equal. I rank them a notch below Porsche only because they don't have as long a history with high performance street cars, and never really caught on to turbochargers.

BMW is almost Porsche's equal. I rank them a notch below Porsche only because they don't have as long a history with high performance street cars, and never really caught on to turbochargers.

hmmmm... i put BMW several notches below Porsche, at least for making sports cars. BMW have arguably only made 2 or 3 real drivers cars, whereas the number for porsche is 10 times that. For pure engineering capability theres nothing to separate them... as for the turbo, what do you call the 2002? wasnt it the first turbocharged car available to the market?? true they dont use it anymore but you cant argue against their current 6-pot engines, or the generation before that, or the one before that, etc... i think u get the point

cheers,
jay

Yeah, but the 2002 was discontinued in the 70s. True, BMW hasn't made as many real driving machines for the street. They do have a good history in racing, going back to the 60s even. In the 70s, they started to heat up in competition, but they didn't really hit their stride in street cars until the late 80s. In the last decade, they have just been getting better and better. There is a new roadster coming out from BMW, either the Z5 or the Z4. 2200 lbs, with either the I6, or a 240hp 4 cylinder. Looks pretty nice, try the Road & Track website for info.

Sorry bout that
I just read the thread name & off I went :)

BMW makes more sport sedans and porsche makes sports cars
both are very passionate about their line of the industry and are almost 2nd to none in both. Well thats my opinion anyways :)

what does "almost second to none" mean? :D

Ah, like the most unique car.

BMW makes sports cars too, like the M Roadster. The M3, I regard as a sports car. It's a 5 seater, yeah, but it's still a sports car.

Back to Porsche. I'm trying to convince TomS8 to build a 968 Turbo replica. Myself, I'm building one when I get my shop open. 2 more months! 700sq', two roll up doors. $500 a month, and thats canadian!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by crayzayjay
what does "almost second to none" mean? :D

lol:)
personally they are second to none
but most ppl would argue against
just trying not to arouse a bunch of wind talkers :)

Originally posted by Cbass
I'm trying to convince TomS8 to build a 968 Turbo replica.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Almost got me there... damn that would be my third porche...:eek: ...

:bandit:

just trying not to arouse a bunch of wind talkers
lol :D

Tom_S8 you in the business of making replicas?

CBass good luck with your shop :) what exactly is the project?

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by Tom_S8


Almost got me there... damn that would be my third porche...:eek: ...

:bandit:

Oh come on, it would be fun! It would also kill any car on the road.

My project is turning a stripped 924S into a bad ass 450 hp, 450ft lb 2600lb 968 Turbo S replica, with a 16V motor. With variable valve timing, and a torque curve flatter than a pancake(a pancake has a imperceptable curve).

It's going to run me about $14,000. It will cook a 996 GT2, with boost to spare.

My other project is my NA 924. It's getting a turbo and stroker kit, in a couple months. Should make about 250 hp.

Wasnt there only 15 968 turbo s's?:smoka:

Originally posted by banchi105
Wasnt there only 15 968 turbo s's?:smoka:

That's why we are making replicas (the original 968 3.0 enigne plus a turbo like a K-29 or so , 400 hp at wheels at 1 bar or so...)
Btw it's 14 , not 15 plus a couple race cars....

Ya thats what I figured.
If i could get a ride in the original id probably have a heart attack.
I love the 951 but if they had only done the 968 instead - it would have been so much more awesome :D

Originally posted by Tom_S8


That's why we are making replicas (the original 968 3.0 enigne plus a turbo like a K-29 or so , 400 hp at wheels at 1 bar or so...)
Btw it's 14 , not 15 plus a couple race cars....

There is some debate over this. I have a book that says 14, but I keep hearing from reputable sources they made 15 Turbo S's. They did also make the 4 RS models.

Myself, I will be much more content with a streetable 4V that can run with McLaren F1's, and F50s up to around 180mph. After that, they can pass me, I don't mind.

Originally posted by Cbass


There is some debate over this. I have a book that says 14, but I keep hearing from reputable sources they made 15 Turbo S's. They did also make the 4 RS models.

Myself, I will be much more content with a streetable 4V that can run with McLaren F1's, and F50s up to around 180mph. After that, they can pass me, I don't mind.

My source is... Dr.Ing Porsche AG ... i think it may be quite good for info...:finger: ... "Our" 968 turbo replica should easily run around 440 wheel hp at 1.3 bar , and we can go a bit higher... i think that at first i'll run a very stable and calm 400 wheel hp at 1.0 bar to learn how to control this beast... and then...:devil:

Two words. Traction Control. :D

I am currently working on a project of building(cloning) a stand alone ECU. I am trying to work a basic traction control device using the ABS and ECU. I can't even think of doing anything like stability.

I don't know if your source is that informed, or reliable for that matter.

:silly2:

Originally posted by Cbass
Two words. Traction Control. :D


What the f ?
It takes all the fun away... :bloated: ...

Normally I would blast traction control as a crutch for the weak, but I'm going to be driving a 2600 lb car with a 450hp 450ft lb motor.

It's a thresh hold concept, it's just designed as a slight safety net, when you start to lose traction, it kicks in a bit, but if you really try to stomp it, it just breaks loose, and busts out.

Originally posted by Tom_S8


My source is... Dr.Ing Porsche AG ... i think it may be quite good for info...:finger: ... "Our" 968 turbo replica should easily run around 440 wheel hp at 1.3 bar , and we can go a bit higher... i think that at first i'll run a very stable and calm 400 wheel hp at 1.0 bar to learn how to control this beast... and then...:devil:

Wow, I'd like to see this project come together, a multi-continental Porsche project. Well, I think Tom_S8 lives in Poland anyways?

BTW, I chuckled banchi105 when you said that thing aobut having the heart attack, what a way to go. In order for me to reach that excitement, I'd need to sit in a Carrera GT, or the Le Mans winning 917-30.

Originally posted by Porsche


Wow, I'd like to see this project come together, a multi-continental Porsche project. Well, I think Tom_S8 lives in Poland anyways?

BTW, I chuckled banchi105 when you said that thing aobut having the heart attack, what a way to go. In order for me to reach that excitement, I'd need to sit in a Carrera GT, or the Le Mans winning 917-30.

Hell yeah i live in Poland (for now at least , but I'm getting married quite soon so i probably won't move at all , at least not so fast) , and this "Intercontinental" porsche project will be 2 cars , but we'll help each other and share expieriences... At least i thought so... :confused:

Anyway as for parts i'll take look in my backyard;) ....
Hmm ... where are the 3L turbo engines?

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/702892motorb.jpg
Uhmmm not in here...
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damn...
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/361711motord.jpg

No luck... again ,i was about to give up , but finally i found it :p
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That's it...:sun:

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Okay, I'm coming over to your house!

I know your pain Tom, I had to clean out my garage a month or two ago. I had to rent a huge truck to cart away all my vintage flat 6's, not to mention various historically signifigant Porsches. Almost couldn't bear to see my 50's Spyder go, my GT1 Lemans car took a bit of pushing to get in the truck, I might add.

Don't get me started on clearing out the Ferraris.


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^^^^^^
Now what is he smoking?

Hey Tom I'm going to be in Poland this summer care to meet?

Originally posted by Seb928S@af
Hey Tom I'm going to be in Poland this summer care to meet?

If i am in poland by the time you come , then why not? PM me with details e.g when are you coming and what town you'll be in. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to take part in the one and only porsche gathering in Poland in August i think it'll be August or late june this year , we expect 50+ cars , driving on an airfield (accel + speed testing), autocross events , "parade" throught the city and many other goodies... I can't wait :D

I will be taking a little trip to Europe in a year or so... It is a shame I can't bring any of my projects with me(trans atlantic shipping costs $$$)

I will save thousands by renting a TVR Cerbera 4.2 for the week... and driving it across Europe... stares into distance... I plan a little AutoBahning, and it's a hop, skip and a jump to Poland when you're cruising at 300 kph.

Originally posted by Cbass
I will be taking a little trip to Europe in a year or so... It is a shame I can't bring any of my projects with me(trans atlantic shipping costs $$$)

I will save thousands by renting a TVR Cerbera 4.2 for the week... and driving it across Europe... stares into distance... I plan a little AutoBahning, and it's a hop, skip and a jump to Poland when you're cruising at 300 kph.

If you ever have a run in with cops in poland gimme a call I can take care of it... They'll probably want like 20$ from you since you'll be driving a nice car , but no other consequences... You're sure about the TVR ... Better rent something LHD for driving in mainland Europe...

Good point. I'll have to drop by a high end rental shop whil I'm in Italy or something... I love being an entrepeneur.

Originally posted by Cbass
Good point. I'll have to drop by a high end rental shop whil I'm in Italy or something... I love being an entrepeneur.

Yeah that's really good , but you know , there are problems , high end cars like lambos or ferraris are expensive as hell to rent... You could try because in the EU there are no boarders at all , but officially it's illegal to cross the boarder with a rental car... at least i think so...

This could make it difficult. I was looking forward to flogging a Cerbera on the autobahn. I'll figure something out.

Yeah, their only good in handling, thats all, duh, a unicycle is better than that:finger4:

You mean a Cerbera? Slow? 1100 kilos, 450bhp from a 4.5 liter V8, and 0-100 mph in about 8.3 seconds? Last time I checked, only the McLaren F1 could beat that.

The Cerbera is ridiculous, and happens to be quite a bargain at 45K pounds sterling.

someone reported this post, im not gonna lock, i like arguements, as long as its SEMI civil