In all honesty...

How many of you people actually drift. I don't mean "I love going to the mall at night, tee hee" type of drifting either. I mean the "Formula D (or whatever) was really tough today, I learned this, this, and this)

Up here in Ontario we are full of internet drifters or kids who "have loved drifting since it was non-existant" but don't want to hurt their car if they fuck up.

The biggest "club" is 90% kids who "love to drift mom's Accord" or some shit. I think there is one forum of scattered locations that seriously drift. The teams that stem from this forum try to organize track drifting events but due to the amount of kids even there, they usually fail.

And no I am not one of the people I like to complain about. My car is usually kept clean, but I am not afraid to hit things (well, I am, but I know that shit happens and I can usually just replace a part or two). I also realize that drifting is an expensive hobby. Another thing of which kids these days don't see... The rant can go on forever.



Discuss.

I used to do some drifts in my impreza ,but now I don`t drift my car since I found that Grip is way faster than drifting....

Umm ok.

Now, seriously this is about drifting not what is faster. First reply and we are off topic. Damn.

I dont. The only reason why I quit is because there are plenty other cheaper cars out there for me to throw sideways than my rx7. I was, not really sure if I am still going to get a 240hatch from my friend for cheap to be my beater (10mpg is killing me), and I will throw that sideways w/out much care.
But yeah, its a learning process and I dont feel like learning in my car while trying to fix everything I break + modding it.

i will probably every chance i get, but sadly thats in 3 months so still no answer for people that can drift

sounds like the yanks have a lot of poser's..

Here in Oz, theres huge open roads all over the country with little to no population. Its also easy in abondened industrial zones, etc..

Until I completely fucked my 180 sr20det, blew the turbo , etc. I had achieved some nice drifts just by throttle control, etc. I have also screwed up my car trying to drift in the suburbs late at night, banged it into a pole and a few curbs. The car is hell screwed and I've just been saving up to fix it, otherwise I'd be out there good fun, if done responsibly.

sounds like the yanks have a lot of poser's...

But there are legitimate's too... I'm sure there are poser's over yonder...


I know a few people that drift outside the glamourous spot-light of Formula D and D1... and the small track events. A few of us actually are serious, devoted to performance and drifting. Myself (even though I'm not claiming to be a full-fledged Dorifto Maestro or anything... but I have been drifting for about 4-5 years) and a couple of my buddies go to an undisclosed industrial sight along with an undisclosed mountain area every now then and drift. I am no-hardcore drifter and the type of car I drive is evidence of that... I do however indulge in a session or two with the guys. I 'drifted' alot more when I had my 240SX (with no SR20 swap!) in the hey-day of drifting in the States... It does not catch my attention all that much anymore and I have moved on. You can say that I and my two friends and a few others scattered around the US actually drift outside the Sanctioned bodies...

i drift every night it rains (less damage to the tires) but i guess it's easier for me cuz i live in japan. It seems like it's harder to drift in the states without the cops or other people bothering you.

gotta agree with the rain.

after sliding my toyota around for a few years i moved up the food chain to a 240. obviously, the fwd drifting arguements never get solved.....but i learned how to drive in one...learned how to throw it into and out of a corner....and now i find it a lot easier than i would have been to get that little nissan sideways.

oh ya.....just got a fucking ticket today after letting my ass end get a little wild thru a corner. $101.

FUK DA POLIZZZEEEE.

well.....traffic cops anyways....

Werd to all, and you don't need an SR to drift.

Rain is friendly on theses shores too, good for practice.

Tomato - Ya, I won't touch that one.

I heard popos go through abandon areas when it rains. I.E abandon parking lots...I almost got caught once. Back then I was an FF drifter, but now I just grip it. And I hate when people from other countries call us Yanks!

And I hate when people from other countries call us Yanks!
not like americans dont do the same to others

You can say that I and my two friends and a few others scattered around the US actually drift outside the Sanctioned bodies...

Just for clarification; what does that mean?

Hey, I've got my 90' mazda 323 fwd 4banger auto and I could drift

i started off as a dumbass, i drove reclessly and fucked up the car alot. i spun out and went over a curb and then barbed wire fence, now my car looks like a zebra with all the scratches. and then i hit the curb in the rain when my front tires lost grip. i replaced two of my rims, all four rubbers since they got worn off, now im running 40 dollar rims from walmart and im happy with em.. i rebuilt alot of the suspension with my dad and now i know lots more about my car and how not to drive recklessly and be a dumbass as i was... i learned quickly...

i dont drift in mall parking lots. its dumb, theres curbs, theres cameras, and malls are usually near people so your 90% to get caught, if not for drifting then for reckless driving.

i have to admit that i sucked as everyone did at first, but I've dramatically improved, I like to drift when its raining, new areas before the houses are built, there is only ashphalt and nothing else, no curbs, no light poles nothing, sunday afternoon is the best time since there is noone there and its all sand due to construction traffic during the week..

I am making a statement that i can drift, maybe not as good as formula d racers and other pro race drivers, but being surrounded by teenage bigmouths, i am definately good at kicking my 323's rear end out aprroaching a corner on fwd, and fwd doesnt always need ebrake, my hatch 323 can drift easily just by sharply turning into a turn, to do this, all you need to do is have good grippy rubber on the front, worn down rubber on the back and some stuff in the trunk like me, 2 subwoofers.

im not a poser/punk/idiot/ricer whatever u might call me.

Hello everyone, new to the board, thought this would be a good post to introduce myself in, i actually do drift, although this is the first year we've had sanctioned events near me (cleveland area) and i must say it's lots of fun, http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bdwaggs/album?.dir=/5c76&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

there's some pics of me at a practice event the other day, my car is the goldish tanish primer? colored rx-7 fc. the chevette, yes chevette is my friend tim's. well i have to get going but i'll be back on later, i actually just found this board today.

alesserfate, i dont want to start an argument, but locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal while hoping to make the end isnt drifting :) ... thats about all your gonna do in a fwd

Posted by Too New To Know - 08-10-2004 at 11:29 AM
alesserfate, i dont want to start an argument, but locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal while hoping to make the end isnt drifting ... thats about all your gonna do in a fwd

my reply: sounds like your lying, your starting an argument... just cause i cant afford a rwd car and gotta stick with what i've got doesnt mean jus diss off any fwd vehicle that actually drifts.

first of all - read the message completely before opening your mouth, i stated "am definately good at kicking my 323's rear end out aprroaching a corner on fwd" it says "approaching" not "locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal"<-- your words

- secondly, you dont ever lock the rear on a fwd if u want to drift, all u need to do is have it lose traction and let it swing around the front, locking your tires just rubbs off speed

- you never hold the brake pedal on a corner, all thats going to happen is understeer since 80% of the braking is in the front, there are many ways to kick the rear of your car out besides handbrake, feint drift motion, less grip on the back, more weight on the back, last resorrt is the handbrake, handbrake is one of the worst ways

- handbrake isnt for "assdragging" when you dont unlock in time thats when it becomes "assdragging". handbrake locks the tires for a fraction of a second, then you put it back down, the tires start spinning while sliding sideways allowing the back to kick out, you modulate gas and power through the corner letting the back tires come back in traction while avoiding understeer or any excessive oversteer

there are too many wannabe drifters with fwd cars that make it embarrasing, i know most drift kings and 'dorifto maestros' use rwd, but there as well, some good fwd drifting done on this planet too

if you want to see me drift, heres a video for you, wait for the second car, not the big camry, but the white hatchback about 2/3 of the way through the clip, it should be second to drift, watch my drift, do u see my wheels lock up at all ? no ? ok good..

btw, no hard feelings bro =)

Wheres the vid?

http://www.redblusky.com/driftsession_1.zip
-i am in the white car thats runs 2nd

...i'm not flaming you but man, that sucked.
you didn't even hold the drift that long.
it looked like you just lost transaction for a minute, on a very dirty, low traction road, and in the end, the car just went straight on it's own.

i've seen fwd drifting before and i've done it before but that was not that good at all......

...and that's the problem with FWD drifting....no matter how much a fwd drifter wants to be a drifter, he'll never be able to hold the drift as long as a RWD drifter....now..i'm not saying stop doing it cuz starting off at FWD drifting will help you get used to the counter steering technique...that's how i learned....i used to yank on the ebrake with my Honda when i was 16 and it taught me somewhat how to countersteer...now, i drive an s13...trust me...if you ever drive a RWD stick shift, with an LSD, you will feel the difference....

yeah dude ur right dude, but guess what, my ff setup with good grip in the front and weight on the back doesnt need me to pull handbrake, its natural weight transfer, and wanna know how long i can hold a drift for ? on a rainy day i can go through entire highway ramp without ebraking, and dude guess what, thats called LFB, thats what they use in rally when they cant powerslide due to changing road surfaces, no handbrake, handbrake is good only in really hard corners, and you dont HOLD the handbrake to ass drag, u just use it to slow down and lose traction. .. hey dude, go learn something about weight transfer dude, anybody can counter steer these days, and u call that not flaming ?

no offense man, just glad to let u know more about cornering faster =)

wow...now your comparing YOUR ff setup with rally car setups?...just because you put new tires on the front and added some bricks in the trunk to weigh down the rear end...come one dude...you drive a little white hatchback.....but hey...what do i know, huh?...you do what you do and i'll keep drifting on tracks in japan with my RWD s13 for the rest of my life....so i don't really care...........d00d

ass ends do not come out on a ff from fucking stepping on the gas, im going to download this video of yours to have a laugh.. and look, im not 'dissin' you, do what you want in your ff, but dont call it drifting

lol ok, sure, go ahead and drift in japan man, lol, and i never compared it to a rally car setup, i just said i use a lfb rally technique, thats all, and cause you couldnt do shit in your honda when you were 16, doesnt mean its impossible, man just quit flaming, this is why drifting is becoming unfriendly

is basic and common physics that show RWD (or in some cases 4wd) are the only way to drift, and by drift i mean sideways BEFORE the corner from the outside, DURING the inside and coming OUT of the corner, with completed control and the ability to link the next corner without stopping.. even WRC cars use FF cars, but they are all modified to a 4wd driveline.

personally, im not 'flaming', just dont call it drift in your 323, or the fucking camry for that matter :D

chill yo, i'll put a video of me doing intertia drift through 2 corners ok ? its not hard doing it on ff, its the same way the back loses traction, so jus quit the flaming, and the camry isnt fucking, its my friends car, you are the one that is 'fucking' the sport of drifting up

hahah nice attempt at a joke there mate..

ok so your back end loses traction, but its not driven by any force, you merely swung it hard enough that the tread couldnt handle it and broke loose, so at this stage i guess you start to put your power in, but no matter what way you steer, common procedure for FF will be to straighten up and begin to understeer before you've completed the corner.. dont try and tell me im fucking the sport of drifting up, im simple stating facts here mate, your the one going round talking shit about your 323

ok 'swinging' the rear is called 'feint motion' and is used as a technique to initiate drift, all u know about going in a drift is being in a rwd car and giving it gas therefore losing the traction on the back and kicking it out- same thing as feint, the thing with rwd is you cn continuously drift by giving gas and making the back fling out, with fwd you cannot do that since there is no power to the back wheels, thats why we use feint drift, or just ebrake, you do that BEFORE you enter the corner, so once your into the corner your already sideways and countersteering, and once your out it striaghtens out by itself which is a good thing, you dont rubb off speed, and yes you can go through multiple corners 'inertia drift' in different directions, just steer hard in the opposite direction and the weight will transfer to the other side of the car.... just give it up, ff drifting is just like rwd drifting, what you couldnt do before is now done ok ? just stop this argument its useless, i dont think i will reply anymore and i dont think you should either

firstly; dont try to tell me what i do or dont know about drifting.

second, in your little humorous demonstration video, your FF's BOTH straightened up way before the corner ended, and an ACTUAL drift, like i stated before, is from before the start and after the end of a corner, thats the unwritten law about drifting..

oh and 3rd, watch out for the pile of bricks when your car regains it grip an understeers

how bout leaving it at that? dumbass...

I hope the stupidity you've displayed stays in America, and doesnt migrate its way over to my country and fill peoples mind's with ideas that their mums ff lancer is now a drift weapon... then again, im pretty sure we've all got more sense to even think that would work..

Dude, "Feint" is to quickly turn the wheel left/right then turn quickly left/right again to shift the weight one way then the other (dur...) to loose traction. Not "swinging the rear"

FF "drifting" is ass-dragging. Drifting involves power to the rear wheels. You can oversteer FWD, but you can't drift them.

ppl have so many definitions of drifting kinda pointless to argue just accept it as what you think it is and live w/ it but you are gonna have ppl who say drifting is this or that, the main thing is you have fun doing it.

how bout leaving it at that? dumbass...

I hope the stupidity you've displayed stays in America, and doesnt migrate its way over to my country and fill peoples mind's with ideas that their mums ff lancer is now a drift weapon... then again, im pretty sure we've all got more sense to even think that would work..

Dude... your an ass... shuttup!


As stated by an intelligent fellow... there are numerous definitions of 'drift'. The Japanese (gee, where did the sport "drift" come from again?) have been drifting FF's for quite some time now. Hey it isn't the cream of the crop... but they are still doing it... I wish I had a scanner so i could post this pic of two CRX's in full drift side-by-side (the pic is out of the Japanese publication: Drift Tengoku). So this guy is trying to drift his FF so-what... I've seen better drifts... I've seen worse also. Blow-off, 'Bloke'... and let him have some fun.

cars not my moms, its mine

man dont judge me by a 5 second clip, and i can tell what you do know and what you dont know by the theories you state

peace out man, i dont wanna argue with you

wow...people are pretty high strung about everything in this forum, huh?

alright alright, whatever take it easy guys. have fun in your 323 fate, and you've got to expect to be judged by the 5 second clip you put up that describes how you drift. anyway.. ill leave it at that if you do :D peace

Drift is impossible in FF. All the reasons have been stated. Back end is dragging and front end is pulling. E-brake can lock your back wheels but the gassing will fix any oversteer and make the car straighten out. Not drifting.

4WD, Only drifting technique is full throttle. And that still too hard to hold onto. You can have it modified so it reacts like a RWD but Im pretty sure the front tires will still have torque on them meaning that its gonna act like a FR mostly and then its gonna kick in during your drifts with its FFness. Meaning after getting it sideways your car is gonna slowly and surely even out on its own while gassing.

FR break drifts, feint, power over. Someone please watch the drift bible.

hahaha i have akina, and i dont want to start yet another argument, but one of the best drifts i have seen was actually in a JUN evo, i have the clip somewhere, the guy mantains so much speed through it and it doesnt straighten up like an FF, but in the same sense he doesnt seem to really try hard to bring it straight :)

good dvd that bible too, maybe alesserfate should watch it.. a few times

then he should sell his piece of shit and buy a real car if he wants to drift.. but not before watching it a couple more times

then he should sell his piece of shit and buy a real car if he wants to drift.. but not before watching it a couple more times

You really gotta pull that stick out of your arse, 'Mate'... It's gonna get you banned.

whoa, there, kiddies.
Indeed, FF sucks for drifting, and yes, I have tried it.
LFB? Yeah. I save that for two things: Dirt and Snow.
The only times I "feint" are when I stand up way too fast, and when it's chili night :evillol:
There will never be an absolute resolution to the "which drive system is better for..." argument.
Don't forget about those guys that count drifting in RR as stomping on the gas 1/2 way around the corner and letting the ass end hang out!


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This thread is cracking me up!!! Hey Onebolt, when did you come to AF?

alesserfate, Dude if you knew that you were dealing with a drift celebrity when you were flaming Onebolt you would be so embarassed! BTW I want to tell you that drift video was a total waste of download time. My daughter can drift better than that in a "K" car.

There ARE front wheel drive cars that drift, but it aint the same. I have never seen any drift worth talking about. They may be fine for grip driving, but for drift they aint worth any attention at all.

While in the states this summer there was a drift event at Lowes Motor Speedway. It was a total joke. I am worried about the future of the sport in the United States.

alesserfate, i dont want to start an argument, but locking the rear at the middle of a corner, turning and holding down the pedal while hoping to make the end isnt drifting :) ... thats about all your gonna do in a fwd
That would be correct.

I 'drifted' alot more when I had my 240SX (with no SR20 swap!) in the hey-day of drifting in the States... It does not catch my attention all that much anymore and I have moved on.
Way back in the "hey-day" huh? How many decades ago was the "hey-day"? You really crack me up too! Do you really think drifting was more popular in the past?

Wow, where did this thread go? I just noticed I even posted wrong in here. It says in All Honesty..and talks about if people really do drift. Now we moved onto arguing the different possibilities in drifting in FWD.

I think the general idea is that there are people who claim to drift who have no idea what drifting is. That's all.

hahaha threads never stay on the topic anymore...
i'd say we've came to the conclusion of the off-topic subject, wouldnt you, akina?

btw who is Onebolt, the drift celeb? im an aussie and american drifters havent had there chance to make an impression over here yet :)

Yeah, I agree. But, there is a thread that has stayed on topic. The Initial D thread, Initial D by Sega Rosso. None stop Initial D. So now that theres nothing to argue about now. What will we argue about?

Im the rest FR drifter there is!

hopefully that starts something

Im the rest FR drifter there is!

hopefully that starts something
You're the rest drifter?? What's that?

Shit, I thought I was the only rest drifter around!!

Chunks of rubber in your eyes are not cool at all.

Way back in the "hey-day" huh? How many decades ago was the "hey-day"? You really crack me up too! Do you really think drifting was more popular in the past?

Who said it was more popular in the past? Not me...! It obviously is alot more popular today than it was yesterday, guy... I hate it. And I have said that numerous times! Just 'cus you and your buddies jumped on the bandwagon in 2003 doesn't mean everyone else did. That doesn't mean you are the original drifter of the USA. You really crack me up... I like how you barge in and try to take over like you are the king-drift of the USA. But you are really just a sad lil' mutt aren't you. :smile:

Speaking of mutts, try shutting yer yap 1via. After all, you've proven you and that auto-trans 300ZX are far superior to any drifter out there thanks to your total lack of professional or commercial involvement.

Sheesh, while we're at it, Too New, you shut up for consistently taking threads off topic and into PM territory, not to mention insulting other forum goers. Suislide has warned you once for this, and as many of the Initial D forum goers can tell you I'm not nearly as nice as Suislide.

Gladhatter, whichever your "old school" view is, it should be obvious that it isn't adding much to this thread except continuing a pointless debate that is consistently being thrown around by internet drift jockeys about how the sport is going downhill because it's getting media attention and casual fans.

Consider all of you warned for pointless bickering, postwhoring, taking a thread off topic, and insulting each other. This thread is locked, and the next time I see anyone of you doing any of the above, you're out of here faster than Jaguar sponsorship money.