right?

the Koenigsegg, CC8S and CCR models are faster than F1.

and the good'ol all mighty prestigious Bugatti EB16-4 veyron :cool: whoops Koenigsegg..

Not that it matters, but the Koenigsegg's top speed has never been officially tested, and the Veyron is too unstable at those speeds and is going to be sold with a top speed limited to around 220mph.

speed limited???? u got 2 be kiddin me

right?

the Koenigsegg, CC8S and CCR models are faster than F1.

and the good'ol all mighty prestigious Bugatti EB16-4 veyron :cool: whoops Koenigsegg..

I guess you are young boy. but i would tell you something. I love also Koenigsegg but prefer Mclaren F1 to it. Sadly you guy missed one point. if you had knew that previously, you woundn't have told it. That's is Koenigsegg is still not permitted from Europe EPA regulation. That means Koenigsegg still have some shortage as production car. Needless to say, Veyron EB16-4 also much.

There are plenty of cars faster than the F1, although the F1 still delicately holds the "fastest production car," not to be confused with the pointless "fastest road legal car" or equally pointles "fastest supercar" titles.

Top speed is of little consequence if you own one of these things. Once you get past around 220mph, you're basically in an elite set of vehicles. There are only a few appropriate, and accessible locations around the world where you could actually bring these vehicles to their top speeds.

Having one car that's x mph faster, when you're already going ridiculously fast, doesn't mean much. If the koeningsegg or bugatti set an official record, it shouldn't be looked upon as diminishing the reputation of the F1, rather it should be looked at as it took almost a decade (and two Ferrari supercar models) before any McLaren rivals appeared.

There are plenty of cars faster than the F1, although the F1 still delicately holds the "fastest production car," not to be confused with the pointless "fastest road legal car" or equally pointles "fastest supercar" titles.
good point.

I see you got the concept going. Very good. I agree with it.

Top speed is of little consequence if you own one of these things. Once you get past around 220mph, you're basically in an elite set of vehicles. There are only a few appropriate, and accessible locations around the world where you could actually bring these vehicles to their top speeds.
once gain, good point. I see you got the concept going. I agree with it. (hehehe)

Having one car that's x mph faster, when you're already going ridiculously fast, doesn't mean much. If the koeningsegg or bugatti set an official record, it shouldn't be looked upon as diminishing the reputation of the F1, rather it should be looked at as it took almost a decade (and two Ferrari supercar models) before any McLaren rivals appeared.
and again, good point.


There's "a little" more to it than just "top speed record" you were pointing about. The acceleration rate is also important. Because of these(cars like the Bugatti eb16-4) cars have so much power and higher top speed, the acceleration rate is much better from 0-to-180mph(example). You can get to 100mph/120mph quicker with these cars. I'm using these speeds because it's more "feasible", or "reasonable" in some state road/interstates. With good driving skills and gearing coordinations, you can get more out of these cars than less powered car, McLaren F1 for example. I know.... I know... the mclaren has great handling, the car is quite lighter too. Gotta take that into considerations, i admit.... ;)

So to sum this up, I was merely asking for "record" top speeds, kinda speaking. The other part; feasibility at high speeds and handling is also very very important. That's another subject.

I guess you are young boy.
no, I'm old. :naughty: :disappoin :grinno:


hehe

when the Lambo Diablo came out, I was like "woahhhhhh", and then when the F50 came out, i said fuc.k Diablo.... F50 woahhhhhh... and then when the Mclaren F1 came out and start gaining popularity, i fell in love to it. I said fuc.k F50 LOLOLOLOL. i was the one who wrote article about the F1 several years ago.. back in 1994. I loved reading my own article. I was touched by it. I still think McLaren F1 is awesome car and is a top class car.

Koenigsegg is very new to me. I haven't got the "love thing" going yet. Talk about car sex baby! mmm~~

umm. the mclaren came out before the F50.

speed limited???? u got 2 be kiddin me

Nope, I'm not kidding. The Veyron's top speed is going to be limited to around 220mph. Maybe someone else can back me up on this.

Nope, I'm not kidding. The Veyron's top speed is going to be limited to around 220mph. Maybe someone else can back me up on this.

Its 230 mph I read an article from a celeb ride mag.

umm. the mclaren came out before the F50.
I said when the mclaren came out and "started" gaining "popularity". :grinno:

you need to read carefully before picking on exact years. :iceslolan

the mclaren cars took some time(years) to get known. Almost nobody jumped up and dancing around 1 day after the mclaren cars were released. :naughty:

as for the limiter, who knows maybe it varies, depending on the manufacturer or whoever sells those cars may change the limiter to 215 tops.. or 217 tops.. or 225 tops... or 230.. and so and so and on.. heheheheheh

Believe it or not the f50 was created in 1987 then developed over and released alot later. Thats sad in opinion. The pangani zonda only took 2 years to make thats amazining.

I say f#@k that limiter and rip em out. There. You got a faster car. :LOL:

I say f#@k that limiter and rip em out. There. You got a faster car. :LOL:

You know what would happen when you take the governor off right & with 1000 hp engine 16 cylinder with massive size fuel injectors....

Watch 200 reving nicely --- 215 reving 5500 --- 225 7500 starting to be defining --- 230 approx 8100 rpm screaming --- 235 your passed the Engines tuned compassity it goes past the 8 1/2 tack limit, the cyclinders cant go anyfaster the engine heats up too much the coolant probly will melt or evaporate and then boom!! Say bye bye to you and your car.

Nope, I'm not kidding. The Veyron's top speed is going to be limited to around 220mph. Maybe someone else can back me up on this.
Had heard this same fact and that the Veyron was limited to under 220 and that Bugatti was trying to address the stability problems. It's the old problem of putting beauty over function. All the ponies do you no good if it doesn't stay on the road. I hope they get it worked out, 'cause it's a beautiful car, but still second to the McLaren.

You know what would happen when you take the governor off right & with 1000 hp engine 16 cylinder with massive size fuel injectors....

Watch 200 reving nicely --- 215 reving 5500 --- 225 7500 starting to be defining --- 230 approx 8100 rpm screaming --- 235 your passed the Engines tuned compassity it goes past the 8 1/2 tack limit, the cyclinders cant go anyfaster the engine heats up too much the coolant probly will melt or evaporate and then boom!! Say bye bye to you and your car.
Im talking about speed limiter, not rev limiter!!! :smokin: Don't keep that foot of yours on that gas pedal!

Hmmm... the car has enough weight and good enough suspension system. Maybe something to do with the body design of the car at super high speeds causing unstabilities? They have been working on the computerized components in all four wheels indepently to keep the wheel from spinning during take offs because of so much HP/torque but... stability problems at high speeds? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

maybe they used cheap tires?

they suppose to use special 400spd rated tires that are designed for such speeds. of course... that isn't the only thing but...

The thing i can think of is increase the downforce a little bit more and take off 5 mph eh eh eh eh eh

I heard that the mclaren has cooling problems even at low speeds LOL :loser: :lol: . What about that??? :naughty:

Speed and reving go hand in hand unless you can some amazing way extend the gearing longer as ur driving!

Speed and reving go hand in hand unless you can some amazing way extend the gearing longer as ur driving!
Keep your eyes on that red line!! Coordinations my friend. ;) The speed still increases even at same RPM!!(till some point), which applies to both Mclaren and BUGATTI!! LOL

I heard that the mclaren has cooling problems even at low speeds LOL :loser: :lol: . What about that??? :naughty:

A car like that probly would consider it using air induction to cool it down. The faster it goes the stronger the air current therefore more cooling and flow to the engine.

also the Bugatti has 7spd shifter, that's enough mon....

I tried to keep this thread civilized, and on topic, but it appears it's been spammed up with some fanboyish statements, and with naughty words as well.

(till some point),

Then when that point comes you will blow the whole entire car to smithers!!

A car like that probly would consider it using air induction to cool it down. The faster it goes the stronger the air current therefore more cooling and flow to the engine.
Yep........ exaccccccctly. :smokin:

Then when that point comes you will blow the whole entire car to smithers!!
incorrect. :smokin:

that's when it stops accelerating. :naughty:

also the Bugatti has 7spd shifter, that's enough mon.... Also 7 speed function at higher rpms Thats why F1 cars use them. Therefore more risk of exploding if you remove the speed limiter. The more gears there are the closer ratio they are.

incorrect. :smokin:

that's when it stops accelerating. :naughty:

True true but that wont be long a even a supercar isnt geard to got 10-15 mph over wht its geard for.

I tried to keep this thread civilized, and on topic, but it appears it's been spammed up with some fanboyish statements, and with naughty words as well.
nope, you are taking the thread wrong. If you make it negative, that's how it's gonna look on you.

and I wasn't slamming down F1. I did mention how nice the F1 is and how I am still horny about that car. Haven't you read my posts in page 1??? :screwy: :grinno:

Does any1 know anything about a bike?? Is it cause the engine is self cooled just by the sir directly hitting it and cooling, is that what makes it so it can rev higher then a car???

True true but that wont be long a even a supercar isnt geard to got 10-15 mph over wht its geard for.
Yep....... :eek7:

Another ? Does fuel have anything to do with a cars rpms ?? ex a Formula 1 car uses basicly all alcohol and ethinol and nitrous.

Does any1 know anything about a bike?? Is it cause the engine is self cooled just by the sir directly hitting it and cooling, is that what makes it so it can rev higher then a car???
well I got a bike, but it's not a kind of bike you're referring to. :evillol: it's a bicycle, light weight, racing type. I need "fluid" to cool off my body to keep it going fast. Fluid cools off better than air mon.

well I got a bike, but it's not a kind of bike you're referring to. :evillol: it's a bicycle, light weight, racing type. I need "fluid" to cool off my body to keep it going fast. Fluid cools off better than air mon.

Iguess you could think of it that way. You just doubled your posts on 1 thread lol.

Maybe something to do with the body design of the car at super high speeds causing unstabilities?

Of course, In case of supercars in excess of 230mph, they are capable of accepting that speed due to ground effect. this principle show that The front and rear wings create downforce which forces the car to the track. The underbody venturi tunnel creates a low pressure area between the chassis and the track which sucks the car to the track. The supersportcar can get stability as the tubulance(usually rear end section) occured by downforce(two times weight at 200mph)being removing

If design were not desirable, proper, as you said, the car could be gone away. so theseday, for supercars, the i think flat-undertray is going to be normal with this reason

Of course, In case of supercars in excess of 230mph, they are capable of accepting that speed due to ground effect. this principle show that The front and rear wings create downforce which forces the car to the track. The underbody venturi tunnel creates a low pressure area between the chassis and the track which sucks the car to the track. The supersportcar can get stability as the tubulance(usually rear end section) occured by downforce(two times weight at 200mph)being removing

If design were not desirable, proper, as you said, the car could be gone away. so theseday, for supercars, the i think flat-undertray is going to be normal with this reason

Which do u think is better a completely flat undertray or a groved under tray like the enzos?? I think a flat under tray like the lm's is better for sucking and less resistance however the enzo's grooved fin in the undercarrage also acts like a rudder on a boat which provides more stability. Heres an ex of what happens when a hdf kit doesnt work or is not strong enough. http://www.libero.co.kr/icons/movie.gif FlyingPorsche[1].mpeg (http://www.libero.co.kr/upload/tmc_psd/FlyingPorsche%5b1%5d.mpeg) 07-Jan-2003 1.7M

Which do u think is better a completely flat undertray or a groved under tray like the enzos?? I think a flat under tray like the lm's is better for sucking and less resistance however the enzo's grooved fin in the undercarrage also acts like a rudder on a boat which provides more stability.

thanks for example short movie clip which is being the the benchmark of judgement whenever the talk related to aerodynamics come out. At first, i would say Ground effect can be performed very well when completely flat undertray harmoney with desirable disffuser shape which pull airflow more faster into outside through formed diffuser's span(?). And if you look at the front bumper downside of modena 360, enzo, Mclaren F1, you can see almost same shape from below pics. these shape intend to have airflow more faster as collecting air through confinded passage. so eventually what i wanna say is that the undertray shape formed(groved) which have airflow go into same directionis is more effective than complete flat one, which airflow is like jet air stream.


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nope, you are taking the thread wrong. If you make it negative, that's how it's gonna look on you.

and I wasn't slamming down F1. I did mention how nice the F1 is and how I am still horny about that car. Haven't you read my posts in page 1??? :screwy: :grinno:Yes, I did read them, and they're filled with immature statements and foul language (creatively spelled to get by the word filter). Good day to you sir. :screwy:

completely flat underbody for ground effect only works when the car is very, very low and runs on very smooth tarmac (i.e a race car on a track).
that's the reason why 'sculpted' underbodies work better on road cars
(y'know, bad road surfaces, speed bumps etc etc mean you can't run flat underbodies at the 'correct' height for ground effect).

the problem with going at high speed is that wind resistance goes up exponentially (to the power of 3 if i recall my wind turbine studies....).
well, if that's correct about wind turbines, i can't say that it'll be the same for cars
but still
that is one of the biggest 'problems'.

also, just like to point out something (when someone mentioned incorrect tires for going at speed).
i seem to recall that for the record mph run, the F1 was wearing it's normal tires and using normal tire pressures.
i.e it was more or less, off the shelf.
(but wasn't the gearing changed? someone correct me...)

The veyron was styled first, then it was supposed to be slightly aerodynamically tweaked. Its supposed to be the other way around. As for the Veyron's top speed:

"Bugatti will cut the official top speed of its delayed Veyron to 350km/h(218mph). It follows rumours that the 8.0 litre W16 powered supercar was seriously unstable at high speed" - Autocar magazine

34 mph lower than the original claim. I don't think it has a limiter device on it though, just thats the fastest the design allows it to go or somethin. I've never heard of one being put on a speed like 220 mph, or a number that hasn't been rounded like 218.

The basic point that were trying to get here is bugatti lost and they res nothing they can do about it. They the most grave error a supercar designer can make (in my opinion) and that is they went for style over speed or as most people know it Show before Go! Its their fault and thats all I have to say. If the topspeed is a projected 218 that means it will barely beat the Ferrari enzo by the skin of its teeeth! enzo is 217.5 lol.

:swear:

What's all the fuzz about the Bugatti Veyron for!?

It's the most overrated car in ages!
It's plain awful and I doubt it will even make 220mph!!

The promotional crew at Bugatti has done an exellent job with hyping up this soappiece with wheels.

There are roadcars that are faster than our beloved F1 out there,
BUT THE MCLAREN F1 IS THE FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR!
PERIOD!

:swear:

The promotional crew at Bugatti has done an exellent job with hyping up this soappiece with wheels.



Lol it does look like a bar of soap lol. :lol:

By the way thorst13 how did you like the pic I sent you?? :)

Heres the soap box nearly crashing sry its so shit clearity. Ah another thing a that give a mclaren the edge. pics messed up sry ill cwht i can do.

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

I will buy the 1:18 scale of the Bugatti Veyron when it's released by AA, but only because it's one of the uglyest supercars ever!
It so weird it deserves attention simply because they dared to be so full of themself ( Bugatti) and claim this thing could do 250mph!

It's look is like a WW beetle on steriods and a lot of red bull!
They say they choosed looks over function????
WHAT LOOKS???

And 1001 bhp (originally) is so redicously overpowered, real car enthusiasts just smiles a little for themselves and know people who buy this car is more into trends and hype than real supercars with attencion to detail!

I mean, who can take Bugatti seriously with all the mess around that car.
I predict it will be a big dissapointment when they finally get that big soap on the road doing far less than 220mph! :lol: :rofl:

wow, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Theoretically, the venturi tunnels in the Enzo will produce more downforce than the flat bottomed McLaren. There are two major factors contributing to why the McLaren has a flat bottom: First, there is a packaging problem, and the engine and exhaust would have to be totally redesigned for venturi tunnels. Also, the ACO regulations at the time (The governing body of the 24 hours of Le Mans) and the FIA regulations did not (and still don't) allow venturi tunnels., making the conversion to a race car much easier.

Formula 1 basically uses a refined jet fuel for their cars. There is no nitrous, ethanol, or alcohol in the fuel. Methanol, ethanol, and all other alcohols have a lower specific heat than gasoline does. This basically means you need more fuel (and more weight, very critical in today's F1 world) to generate the same power. Nitrous is not a legal fuel additive.

AFAIK, there are only overheating issues at low speeds in the F1 LM's and race cars, not in the street cars.

There are many cars on the market that have top speed limiters in their upper gears that are below where the rev limiter in top gear would be. The BMW M3 (E36 and E46), C5 Corvette, USDM Subaru WRX STi, Nissan 240SX are a few that pop into my mind off the top of my head. These systems electronically limit the RPM's only in the gear (or gears) that the top speed can be achieved. For almost all cars on the market, redline in top gear is well above what the car is capable of going for top speed.

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

I will buy the 1:18 scale of the Bugatti Veyron when it's released by AA, but only because it's one of the uglyest supercars ever!
It so weird it deserves attention simply because they dared to be so full of themself ( Bugatti) and claim this thing could do 250mph!

It's look is like a WW beetle on steriods and a lot of red bull!
They say they choosed looks over function????
WHAT LOOKS???

And 1001 bhp (originally) is so redicously overpowered, real car enthusiasts just smiles a little for themselves and know people who buy this car is more into trends and hype than real supercars with attencion to detail!

I mean, who can take Bugatti seriously with all the mess around that car.
I predict it will be a big dissapointment when they finally get that big soap on the road doing far less than 220mph! :lol: :rofl:

Lol but seriously they can definetly do around 220 if they have 1000 hp pushing them!!

Equation for hp
(1 Hp= ablitly to lift 550 pounds in 1 second) Dont remember how high though.

Yes I know!
But the Bugatti has that stability problem and the final version will have less than 1000bhp.
The eb110 was a far cooler car I think!
If McLaren only wanted the fastest car, I'm sure BMW would be able to make a far more powerful engine for this one purpose!
It's the overall package that counts, the McLaren is a car close to perfection, while (in my opinion) the Bugatti Veyron seems way to random to be called a masterpiece!
It's another thing with the Koeningsegg which is made by true attention to detail but without the limitless budget that McLaren had and used on their F1.

Anyway, powerful cars are easy to make, drivable high handling powerful cars are not easy to make........phew..............there has to be a "form and function" if you guys see what I mean.... :loser:

you need to read carefully before picking on exact years. :iceslolan

Maybe you should stop using so many smiley faces and get the facts right.
I said when the mclaren came out and "started" gaining "popularity".
And you based this "gain" on what?
the mclaren cars took some time(years) to get known. Almost nobody jumped up and dancing around 1 day after the mclaren cars were released.
Once again, what are you basing this on?


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LOL..............nice one :D

Maybe you should stop using so many smiley faces and get the facts right.

And you based this "gain" on what?

Once again, what are you basing this on?


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damn.. this guy doesn't understand what I said. No common sense in ya or somethin.... :screwy: can't believe you're asking this. :grinno: talk about newbie, that sounds like you. :loser:


and that fanboy "McLaren F1 Guy", you need to stop smoking that pipe.. things you said in this thread is totally bull.....


I said I like McLaren F1 cars, this is my third time saying it. Now you fat turds keep pushing me around.. I might just go against it, start bashing F1 the crap out.... know what im sayin'? :iceslolan :lol2: :rofl: Here comes.... McLaren F1 SUCKX..... ewwWWWWWW... :disappoin :naughty:

you don't wanna piss me offf...... not a smart move.. :nono: