Ok here it is plain and simple. Old performance cars are not better than todays cars, today's performance cars are not better than older muscle cars. Because after all shouldn't we be devoting our time that we spend bitching about who is better and spend it doing what we should be? Talking about cars. Because that is why we are all here right? Because we love cars, we love speed and we love power? Because after all a power fanatic wouldn't care what car it came from all they would car about is the fact that someone put in the time to take a stock car and turn it into something that burns rubber and makes a statement. So all arguements aside.

And remember it's not neccessarily what get's you there but how fast it can get there.

Live for the Need for Speed. :devil:

BINGO!! i think this is one of the few forums left on the net where the majority of the people on it think the way you just described.

yeah, thats why i love it here honestly, coz ive been to QUITE a few boards, and all it had was imp vs. dom and TFATF flaming. It sucked. Why cant people respect cars as individuals, i mean, i dont flame Kiwis for being from New Zealand!!!!! (sorry NZers had to think of an example, you guys are great, i wanna stop by one day maybe when im out of school :) )

Anyway, to somehow give this post an ounce of value....i suggest that someone makes a board for trash talking......that we it can all be nice and organized for the lil punks, and none of the true AFers have to visit it, out of sight, out of mind!

Ahhhh ok yeah this what a 3 hour long techno mix does to someone

You're exactly right. It is like comparin apples to oranges.

biasedness towards this subject is just upsurd. this forum does a fine job of bringing in both perspectives. cars are cars. it'll always be that way.

Personaly I love them both (Import and Domestic) because they both have there own good and bad featurs. Imports are great on gas and Domestics are a little cheeper to build. So Polygon I totaly agree with you this is like comparing apples to oranges.

so nobody here will mind when i say that my friend suggested i get a late 90s firebird, and im considering it? Ill have to change my name of course........bye bye post count haha

i actually like firebirds dude, and with some work you can be racing real well in one. Also, you wont really be considered a ricer. so thats always good....

whats wrong about being called a ricer? dang...

I only like IMPORTS!!!!!!!!!!! Imports all the way man. You know why? Becuase domestics are just a POS. No need to get into that. I mean seriuosly, wats up with the domestic people saying that gay as phrase "no replacement for displacement?" Fuck displacement, I got VTEC!
















































Nah, I'm jp.

i am definetely a fan of imports more, but domestics are cool too. I got a freind with a 84 Firebird, with a chevy small block 350 under the hood, the thing roars :)
But i am a bigger fan of the import scene.

Amen man! Preach it like it is Hurley.

Yeah, its just that the japanese had to go and kill off all the kick ass imports :( who knows, with the 350z and rx-8 we may start seein more and more bad ass imports comin in. All the new cars are either flat out ugly or too retro.........toyota matrix? wtf? pontiac vibe.....a lil toooo overstyled. rx8 and 350z seem too retro like theyre tryin to be euros or somethin, camaro and firechickens are dead, sentra spec v is a shame to nissan all around, the market has an identity crisis on both sides of the ocean! it sucks!

wow, that got really offtopic.....

anyway, i think im gonna change my name when i get my beast, firechickenz sound good? i dunno, im in the r&d stage....

oh and hanguk....YOU BETTER BE! hahaha, jk man

I'm just wondering but why is everyone after a skyline?!?!? Why get something so highly priced when there's S4s, 300ZXs, and Supra TTs here?!?!?!

Yea these NEW imports are a shame. As you stated what the heck were they thinking? The toyota matix does looks weird, plus all of gm's new compact cars. They gotta stick to being jap cars, and stop going euro on us fans. Not EVERYONE enjoys european style!

Nismo... firechickens aren't bad but I prefer the Z28... or a Trans AM because that's at least a fully loaded chicken of the fire. :alien2: F-bodies will be back in a few years.

skylineSTS - Yea these NEW imports are a shame. As you stated what the heck were they thinking? The toyota matix does looks weird, plus all of gm's new compact cars. They gotta stick to being jap cars, and stop going euro on us fans. Not EVERYONE enjoys european style!


AGREED!!!!!!

and personally i prefer imports... but whatever rows your boat.. cause either way my taillights is all ur gonna be seeing [when i get a car.:D ]

Originally posted by Hanguk87
I only like IMPORTS!!!!!!!!!!! Imports all the way man. You know why? Becuase domestics are just a POS. No need to get into that. I mean seriuosly, wats up with the domestic people saying that gay as phrase "no replacement for displacement?" Fuck displacement, I got VTEC!


I hope you are just joking and not trying to start a flame war. I like both and I must say; we say there is not replacement for displacement because THERE ISN'T! :)

Originally posted by Polygon


I hope you are just joking and not trying to start a flame war. I like both and I must say; we say there is not replacement for displacement because THERE ISN'T! :)

HHAAHAHAH! Read my WHOLE POST. :flipa:

but whatever rows your boat



just for future reference, its floats your bost, but i guess no one cares....

why do all the ricers think that a vtech is bad ass? I mean they do add some horse power, but their not a turbo or anything. I was riding with my friend in a 99 civic v-tech, and when the v-tech kicked in, i could barely feel the difference. Maybe its just me, but when im going 90 mph and i kick it into 4th on my vette, it will set your ass back in the seat!

From what i understand all it really does is help out your valve timing and efficiency.......it doesnt really add any horsepower, just help out what ya got already :cool:

which doesnt help the fact that most ricers doesnt know what it stands for.

Anyway, its not that great a deal. I wouldnt mind having it, but on the flip side i really dont care that i dont coz its real easy to live without.

Annd, youre right by saying its not a turbo, its no where the hell close to forced induction at all by any means whatsoever. Just somethin the ricers can rally under and yell about.

Originally posted by AlexB
I'm just wondering but why is everyone after a skyline?!?!? Why get something so highly priced when there's S4s, 300ZXs, and Supra TTs here?!?!?!

because none of those cars can compare to a skyline. the skyline is so fast on a circuit it was banned from the jgtc cuz it completely dominated all the races. if u have the money, why not start with the best?

I love imports to the max but all you v-tec lovers i don t see what the hell is so great about it. There is only so much power you can get out of a n/a 1.8 liter engine. Turbo power is the way to go face it!! without forced induction you are limited.

Originally posted by bluevette74
why do all the ricers think that a vtech is bad ass? I mean they do add some horse power, but their not a turbo or anything. I was riding with my friend in a 99 civic v-tech, and when the v-tech kicked in, i could barely feel the difference. Maybe its just me, but when im going 90 mph and i kick it into 4th on my vette, it will set your ass back in the seat!

Yes, I'm pretty darn sure downshifting on a Corvette gives a person much more feeling of power but probably the civic you rode in was just an Si engine or something like that or maybe even an EX. What you gotta do is ride in a highly modified NA type R engine swap in a civic HB and listen to when VTEC kicks in and then you'll definitely feel power difference. Also, 4cyl VTEC engines mostly don't have that much torque so you don't feel anything compared to V8s.

i love imports and domestics, of course there are real pieces of crap from both too, but we just don't spend our money on those.
I think I am starting to understand vtec. variable valve timing and all. They open up more at higher rpm and so are more effecient throughout. and their power comes at much higher rpm. they are real screamers. rsx-s has 8000 redline and gets max power at 7000. I am sure there is much i do not know but i think i have soem of the basics covered.

by the time i done with this the whole threads gonna end up in the stress release forum :p

heres the deal kiddies.........the skyline is NOT, i repeat NOT an IMPORT. Its a Japanese Domestic Car......and if youre gonna shell out the cash to ship over a right hand drive skyline, well, lets hope you like it a lot coz otherwise it isnt worth the money.

Next, i think the cars ugly, i know im gonna get flamed for this, but the big bucket just isnt me. Honestly, id take a Supra TT and be happy as hell......really now, how many chicks are gonna take the big bulky sedan over a hooked up supra.

The car kicks ass, ill give it that, especially being good enough to be banned from a tournament, i mean DAMN. Still though, theres faster for cheaper. Im sick of all the kids sayin "SKYLINE SKYLINE SKYLINE" and dont know jack about it, since they read that it was the car that God himself drives (now that wasnt directed to anyone here, you guys no your stuff, just a rant in general) Anyway, im sick of kids in the US raving about a car they dont (and more than likely never will) ride in...for the same reason i dont like ferraris and lambourghinis all that much..............

ALright *breathes* i think im done, sorry for the rant guys, just had to release some pressure

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
by the time i done with this the whole threads gonna end up in the stress release forum :p

heres the deal kiddies.........the skyline is NOT, i repeat NOT an IMPORT. Its a Japanese Domestic Car......and if youre gonna shell out the cash to ship over a right hand drive skyline, well, lets hope you like it a lot coz otherwise it isnt worth the money.

Next, i think the cars ugly, i know im gonna get flamed for this, but the big bucket just isnt me. Honestly, id take a Supra TT and be happy as hell......really now, how many chicks are gonna take the big bulky sedan over a hooked up supra.

The car kicks ass, ill give it that, especially being good enough to be banned from a tournament, i mean DAMN. Still though, theres faster for cheaper. Im sick of all the kids sayin "SKYLINE SKYLINE SKYLINE" and dont know jack about it, since they read that it was the car that God himself drives (now that wasnt directed to anyone here, you guys no your stuff, just a rant in general) Anyway, im sick of kids in the US raving about a car they dont (and more than likely never will) ride in...for the same reason i dont like ferraris and lambourghinis all that much..............

ALright *breathes* i think im done, sorry for the rant guys, just had to release some pressure

Ummmm............................... Skyline's are NOT ugly in my opinion. :flipa: Also, there are very few Skyline sedan's.

ahaha well in MY opinion they look like ass, good cars all around, but im just sick of lil posers screaming about the skyline, i know coz when i first got into cars i was one.......

.......then i grew up, but kept the nismo trend, got interested in the zx, then the sx became more realistic......

......now for a drastic change.......FIREBIRD!

bahaha

but, im just sick of hearin "skyline this, skyline that" from the kids that probably havent seen em (most of this anger is just ventilation from experiences at school with these punks, nobody here).......i could go "McLaren this! McLaren that!" but in the end, itd just be pointless......

sorry if i struck a nerve man, youre pretty cool

I love imports and domestics both but i like imports more cause their just plain badass! The only thing that sux about having an import is that u get called a ricer just for putting rims or making your car look nice on an import. Just cause the car looks nice and is an import doesnt mean its slow as hell.



Trance kicks ass!!!!

vhr4710 but whatever rows your boat



just for future reference, its floats your boat, but i guess no one cares....




ive heard it both ways... so i dont really care...


skyline isnt a sedan.. well no .. the skyline GTR isnt a sedan.. the gts is.. soo whatever.. im more interested in teh GTR :flipa:

ok i dont down shift from 90 mph, i shift from 3rd to 4th. And i know that v 8's have more torque, i was just making a point that v-techs dont do that much! oh and fuck the skyline, i got a zo6!

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
ahaha well in MY opinion they look like ass, good cars all around, but im just sick of lil posers screaming about the skyline, i know coz when i first got into cars i was one.......

.......then i grew up, but kept the nismo trend, got interested in the zx, then the sx became more realistic......

......now for a drastic change.......FIREBIRD!

bahaha

but, im just sick of hearin "skyline this, skyline that" from the kids that probably havent seen em (most of this anger is just ventilation from experiences at school with these punks, nobody here).......i could go "McLaren this! McLaren that!" but in the end, itd just be pointless......

sorry if i struck a nerve man, youre pretty cool

I see what you're sayin. Yea, I'm 14. Buttt............ how many cars have you seen that can get 1000+ horsepower street legal? Yea, Skyline is one of them. Take a look at the Veilside Skyline. Now thats nice.

Originally posted by wrxfl
I love imports to the max but all you v-tec lovers i don t see what the hell is so great about it. There is only so much power you can get out of a n/a 1.8 liter engine. Turbo power is the way to go face it!! without forced induction you are limited.

theres also only so much power u can get from a 2.0liter turbo engine. thats why all the really high horsepower imprezas use the 2.5 liter from the rs. companies like jun take a wrx and swap out the 2.0 for the 2.5. i see u chose to spend $6000 more to buy the motor that was inferior for higher hp applications. for the extra $6000 the 2.5 will rape the wrx. plus the 2.5 comes with painted side skirts :D

Yeah, i see what your sayin, the veilside does look nice. And yeah, i knew you could get 1000+hp out of it, but some people act like its the only car that can. Guess i just dont like groupies

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
by the time i done with this the whole threads gonna end up in the stress release forum :p

heres the deal kiddies.........the skyline is NOT, i repeat NOT an IMPORT. Its a Japanese Domestic Car......and if youre gonna shell out the cash to ship over a right hand drive skyline, well, lets hope you like it a lot coz otherwise it isnt worth the money.

Next, i think the cars ugly, i know im gonna get flamed for this, but the big bucket just isnt me. Honestly, id take a Supra TT and be happy as hell......really now, how many chicks are gonna take the big bulky sedan over a hooked up supra.

The car kicks ass, ill give it that, especially being good enough to be banned from a tournament, i mean DAMN. Still though, theres faster for cheaper. Im sick of all the kids sayin "SKYLINE SKYLINE SKYLINE" and dont know jack about it, since they read that it was the car that God himself drives (now that wasnt directed to anyone here, you guys no your stuff, just a rant in general) Anyway, im sick of kids in the US raving about a car they dont (and more than likely never will) ride in...for the same reason i dont like ferraris and lambourghinis all that much..............

ALright *breathes* i think im done, sorry for the rant guys, just had to release some pressure

i wasnt saying the skyline is the best car ever, i was only saying why people want a skyline. personally i wouldnt pay $90000 (what motorex charges for a new r34) for one thats insane, but if youre a rich bastard with more money than u know what to do with and u like em why not? and youre right ive never ridden in one, and will prob never even see one, but thats okay, cuz while id love to ride in one, its not a big deal that i never will cuz theres so many other cars that can be made much faster for much cheaper, just like u said. my friends gf (whos father is a brain specialist) just bought a supra with a full multimedia system and 728hp to the rear wheels WITHOUT nitrous, which it has a 150shot. this car runs 10.3 in the 1/4mile WITHOUT the nitrous, who knows how fast it is with, but my point is how much did they pay? $64000, a hell of a lot of money but still $26000 short of the price of a BONE STOCK skyline.

Isn't there a law in America that a car can have over 150 hp per liter?
:confused: If so then thats probably one of the big reasons we don't have skylines here. Well its just something i heard.



:monkeypis AHHHH!!!! That feels better!

What engine is in a skyline, and if its not above 3.0l then im sorry to say there is no way in hell your going to produce more than 1000hp out of it, its almost physically impossible!

I am with bluevette here. I think some of you may have seen my little rant about the Skyline in the car comparo forum. I am shocked that I didn't get a good reaming for that, it was quite outspoken. Anyhow: I have almost had it up to here with the Skyline "hype" around here. They are not the greatest car to ever grace God's green earth.

its got a 2.6l twin turbocharged{if i remember correctly}.. and yes it is possible since its been done.. and the freaking R34 does not cost 90,000 dollars outside of america.. the only reason is becuase motorex.. they haver to modifiy the car to reach american standards and they claim that its a lot of money and bla bla bla.. anyway they sell it at 90000.. but outside of america its MUCH CHEAPER!!!!!!:flipa: :D :flipa:

Originally posted by bluevette74
What engine is in a skyline, and if its not above 3.0l then im sorry to say there is no way in hell your going to produce more than 1000hp out of it, its almost physically impossible!

2.6 liter V6 twin turbo. 280 horsepower stock but thats what Nissan says just to get under the I think 280??? horsepower limit in the Japan. Most people say it is actually making ATLEAST 300 horsepower from the Nissan factories stock. Also, you tell me why it isn't possible to get 1000+ horsepower out of this engine.

Polygon
I am with bluevette here. I think some of you may have seen my little rant about the Skyline in
the car comparo forum. I am shocked that I didn't get a good reaming for that, it was quite
outspoken. Anyhow: I have almost had it up to here with the Skyline "hype" around here. They are
not the greatest car to ever grace God's green earth.


in ur opinion.......
it all depends who u are.. and there are soo many cars out there i cant even havea favorite.. but the skyline is up there wit MY favorites.. so u can like whatever u want

so you say it has been done before, im talking about 1000hp out of a 2.6l! let me do the math thats 385 hp/L, you show me the stats on a car that can do that and i will shut up, just because you heard some ricer talk about 1000 hp doesnt mean that it's true, im just going by physics! it doesnt add up! and i never said it wasnt impossible, i said its almost impossible with enough money anything can be done, but this is a little out there!

Originally posted by bluevette74
so you say it has been done before, im talking about 1000hp out of a 2.6l! let me do the math thats 385 hp/L, you show me the stats on a car that can do that and i will shut up, just because you heard some ricer talk about 1000 hp doesnt mean that it's true, im just going by physics! it doesnt add up! and i never said it wasnt impossible, i said its almost impossible with enough money anything can be done, but this is a little out there!

OK OK! I see what you saying. ummmmm......... I don't know how I can prove to you that there are 1000+ horsepower Skylines. And no, a ricer did not tell me or I didn't hear this on some forum. If you look in a couple import magazines, you will see that a company named Veilside has many powerful cars, Now in some of there ads, at the top half of the page, they have this white Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 and at the bottom, it says world's fastest blah blah blah blah car........... and then it says 1280 horsepower I THINK. somewhere around there though.

first of it was in an import mag.........:rolleyes: like the 750hp N/A riced out 300zx i saw that was privately owned.....

.........privately owned being another issue.........have any clue how many resources and how much money Veilside has?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by bluevette74
so you say it has been done before, im talking about 1000hp out of a 2.6l! let me do the math thats 385 hp/L, you show me the stats on a car that can do that and i will shut up, just because you heard some ricer talk about 1000 hp doesnt mean that it's true, im just going by physics! it doesnt add up! and i never said it wasnt impossible, i said its almost impossible with enough money anything can be done, but this is a little out there!

veilside r34 skyline gtr STREET LEGAL

2.6liter rb26dett
hks forged pistons, hks full counter crankshaft, veilside titanium connecting rods, veilside rod caps, twin hks gt3240 ball bearing turbos, veilside pro drag exhaust manifold, twin hks wastegates, hks evc pro, veilside 100mm throttle body, hks intercooler, veilside titanium exhaust, 6 1000cc sard fuel injectors, hks f-con v pro, hks powerwriter, sard air/fuel analyzer,hollinger 6 speed sequential transmission, ogura clutch, cusco lsd, hks axles, veilside driveshaft.

capable of 10,000+rpm
1,360hp
215mph

happy?

hey hey all cars have a certain way of getting more power out of them

the best way for imports is forced induction and thats why you get silly power outputs like 750hp out of a 4cylinder Silvia Turbo charged...

and american muscle is completely different in nature

bigger displacement bigger power

more revs more air = power

hmmm

and that corvette geezer YES they do have 1000hp skylines with 2.6 litres and its not against the laws of physics its all to do with the air flow

anyone know how to put a pic in the left hand bar cuz i need some help ? o and how do i transfer post count to the account since i had to switch ?

Originally posted by Polygon
I am with bluevette here. I think some of you may have seen my little rant about the Skyline in the car comparo forum. I am shocked that I didn't get a good reaming for that, it was quite outspoken. Anyhow: I have almost had it up to here with the Skyline "hype" around here. They are not the greatest car to ever grace God's green earth.


actually they are 0-200 in 14seconds on a street car not a dragster is pretty damn amazing the only reason why you haven't o wait damnit i got a link to a skyline webpage

erm i give up just use www.kazaa.com type in skyline and search download the 215 mph run

its pretty damn sweet
:flash:

well most of that shit i dont even understand, are you sure thats coming out of a 2.6l and its not bored out or anything like that, im not calling you a lier, just want to make sure!

SIGNAL has a couple of 1000+ hp skylines..Veilside got some.. the engine is the RB26DETT .. there are a lot of 1000+ skyliens .. wit their stock engines.. that are massively modified of course .. HKS has a 1600hp skyline i think.. but it aint streetlegal..i think.. i might be thinking of another car but i thought they did.. anyway.. its sick and skylines rule..

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
so nobody here will mind when i say that my friend suggested i get a late 90s firebird, and im considering it? Ill have to change my name of course........bye bye post count haha you don't have to lose your post count, just talk to igor and he'll change it for you.

Originally posted by bluevette74
well most of that shit i dont even understand, are you sure thats coming out of a 2.6l and its not bored out or anything like that, im not calling you a lier, just want to make sure! No, that's right. 2.6 L inline 6 + heavily reinforced internals + way too much boost = 1000+ hp Skylines. I don't think any are really "street legal." They're mostly put together for show and high speed runs.

well if they are allowed to be driven on the street..ill take that as streetlegal.. and if they arent.. well no one can catchem to even do anythign about it

well heres some info on the apex skyline, but this is dated from july 1999 so im sure its changed since then. the only thing separating this car from street legality is the exhaust and the drag slicks (all 4 tires have wrinkle wall slicks) but it retains 2.6 liter configuration not bored out, 1000+hp, 8.47@165, and all u do is rev ot 10,500 rpm and drop the clutch, awd and 4 wrinkle wall slicks do the rest.
also the signal auto skyline produces 750hp and ran 9.19@a60 as of september 2000, and that was on street tires, that car is completely street legal, well for japan anyways. also 2.6liter not bored out. neither was the veilside by the way.
oh and im not saying the skyline is the best car ever, there are supras, 300zxs, rx7s, and many other imports capable of doing the same feats with very small (compared to domestics) motors. heard of the 4 rotors u can buy? 2.6 liter and 850 hp naturally aspirated. thats right no forced induction on a 850hp 2.6liter.

May I ask who cares about street Legality? Other than cops? And when the heck is a cop gonna catch u for such a thing. They don't exactly look at the engine and say: I can see your turbo pushes too much hp, I am gonna call this in...do they? I have never heard or seen an incident of that sort. And if your car isn't street legal, u can probably run from the cops or something. Skylines imported straight from Japan without going through emissions checks and such aren't street legal. And yet my uncle owns an R33 (how i got interested in skylines) and he loves the thing. He just imported it, then had it shipped to him straightaway, not going through all these troubles. (only problem: no insurance lol, but if ure willing to take the risk, i'd do it)
I actually have no idea to why I stated all this, I may be wrong on some points, but I am not the Know it all driver here.. what does everyone think?

i know in alabama, when you register your car they check to see if its street legal, if its not then you cant get a tag for it, so cops would know then that its not street legal, but i guess if you did all the tuning after your register it then they wouldnt know, so i dont guess that system works at all