What car is more reliable and easier to maintain.

The honda, easily. The VTEC on the S2k lasts a really long time without needing much work. Infact i believe Honda says no major engine work till around $100,000 miles. If you want reliability in a sports car, this is your car.

Sorry but gonna have to disagree with you, Honda S2000 over the Supra Twin Turbo, no way in my opinion. The Supra has also proven to be very reliable also, with many not having any major problems well pass 100,000 miles. The Supra is much more powerful, despite it's weight handles as well if not better than the S2000, brakes is close between the two cars, and aftermarket potential, is not even a contest, Supra all the way. Now would I buy a 96-98 Supra Twin Turbo for 33K over a brand new 2004 S2000, well I would have to think about that, still the Supra is a very worthy car.

I vote for the s2000 with out second thought.

Both brands have a good reputation for being very reliable. but the supra TT is not a new car anymore while the s2000 is. Its simple as that.
And I will also blindly assume that an NA engine will have less problems in the future then an engine with two turbochargers. hehe

Well then how about the n/a mk4.

well i believe both are easy to maintain but i think the honda is cheaper...and with the maintainance on the TT model supra can get expensive when it comes time to replace those supras...but i think overall itz a tie between the NA supra and the s2000...althought the supra's maintance will be slightly higher seeing it has an I6 and ths s2000 has an I4

for the record i say mk4, just because it's a toyota.

What if we try this: We do research for a change instead of blindly believing that all hondas are perfect.



http://www.lemonlaw.com/consumerlemonlistny.html

Other cars in the government's top ten complaint list include the Ford Excursion, Ford Windstar, Mercury Cougar, Honda Passport, Honda S2000, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Isuzu Rodeo, and Ford Explorer.



On the other hand the supra 2jze TT engine is legendary in its streght, oudone only by the RB26

that lemon law list is 2 yrs old....so is that article

that lemon law list is 2 yrs old....so is that article


and your point is? There were no major redesigns in the s2000 except for this year with the new 2.2 engine (and even then this was just an update rathen than a complete overhaul). So the article stands.

Also the original poster did not specify any years for the s2000, so at least one year of the s2000 was bad. therfore you should specify in your post which model years of the s2000 are good.


The fact is, that by making it to the top 10 list of lemons, does not inspire confidence in its reliabilty.

Bottom line: I posted evidence pointing towards the bad reliabily of an S2000, how about you find some other verfiable evidence to prove me wrong.

and your point is? There were no major redesigns in the s2000 except for this year with the new 2.2 engine (and even then this was just an update rathen than a complete overhaul). So the article stands.

Also the original poster did not specify any years for the s2000, so at least one year of the s2000 was bad. therfore you should specify in your post which model years of the s2000 are good.


The fact is, that by making it to the top 10 list of lemons, does not inspire confidence in its reliabilty.

Bottom line: I posted evidence pointing towards the bad reliabily of an S2000, how about you find some other verfiable evidence to prove me wrong.

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Nice one Neutrino...

The S2000 is a limited production highly strung sports car, and it has the reliablity to match.

As far as I'm aware, there has not been one warranty claim on an S2000 (In the UK at least). Most of the complaints in the States probably came from some pimply-faced 16 year old who just got a car from daddy- put a Turbo on, blew it up and bitched when Honda wouldn't cover his idioticy.

The S2000 is a limited production highly strung sports car, and it has the reliablity to match.

exactly, i was not bashing on honda as much as pointing out that just because it has a honda badge it will not be as realible as a camry or an accord for that matter.

It rather impressive that they even achived even decent reliability with such a highly strung engine.

Especially in high output per liter engines the turbo aplication will be more reliable than its NA counterpart given same build quality. Not to mention more efficient and with a much better powerband.

If you would allow F1 teams to turbo their car and keep the same displacement at the current output of ~900hp they would be much more reliable.


As far as I'm aware, there has not been one warranty claim on an S2000 (In the UK at least). Most of the complaints in the States probably came from some pimply-faced 16 year old who just got a car from daddy- put a Turbo on, blew it up and bitched when Honda wouldn't cover his idioticy.

I'm sorry, not to doubt you or anything but how could you even have come across such information. The number regular of warranty claims should be strictly confidential.

The only reason we hear about lemons is because it innvolves the state in a public legal battle to get a whole new car.

And at least a few cars had to had some warranty issues, at least a fuse or something, I doubt there's been any series of cars ever made without a single problem durring the warranty period.

the reliability also has to do with the amount of power you are pushing through your engine. at 600hp (if the s2000 can even get that high) the supra will be much more reliable, but at stock performance, i would rather have the s2000. the supra has twin turbos which is a lot more that can break than the na s2k.

as for the handling, the s2000 weights 650 pounds less and has a suspension based on the s-series racecars. i dont know how the supra handles, but when i test drove an s2k, it was amazing.

toyota has the honda in a choke hold.

well just to thow this out there:

the 93 NA Supra had 89 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 93 TT Supra had 91 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 2002 S2000 had 17 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 2003 S2000 had 11 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls


*extent of the recall is not noted...

well just to thow this out there:

the 93 NA Supra had 89 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 93 TT Supra had 91 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 2002 S2000 had 17 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls

the 2003 S2000 had 11 mandatory/ voluntairly service recalls


*extent of the recall is not noted...



well lets be fair and compare 1st year for both cars and not the 1st year for the m4 and second and third years for the s2000:

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/24/002446AF.html

Honda S2000: Year 2000

2 Safety recalls
1 General Recall
43 Service Bulletins

That amounts to 46

however forth both cars most of those recals are just stupid little things like an extra manual, seatbelt extenders ETC.

i can't remember who but in one magazine it said that honda (in uk) have stated that since the inception of the v-tec engines, they have never had anyone claim on their warrenty something to do with the v-tec.
this is starting from the v-tec in the cr-x.
hmm, i think it must've been evo magazine....

i should point out that this was with regards to the v-tec system ONLY.
doesn't mean that they haven't had ANY warrenty claims at all.

Honda NZ claims that there has also never been a warrenty claim over the VTEC system since its was introduced in 1989 (actualy september 88, but thats the start of the 89 model year).


I was talking to an ex Honda NZ service tech the other day and he mentioned that the S2000's sold here had all had several minnor issues. But none effected the cars ablity to be driven anywhere, and the most common was a thumping noise from the rear dif under accleration. Its something to do with the way the diff is mounted (its a Mazda RX7 unit by the way) and is not actualy a failure of any parts.

DOes anyone know of any major recalls for the supra (mkvi)?

DOes anyone know of any major recalls for the supra (mkvi)?


Not even the first year had serious recalls only small things


here is the complete list:

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/59/93594877.html