Well, I see we have the most underrated cars as a post, so lets talk about the overrated cars. You know, the ones that claim to have 260+ hp and then come to find out they actually only have 230 hp (ahem RX8).

So my vote would have to go to RX8

It was so bad that Mazda was involved in a class action lawsuit and said that if people were unhappy with there cars, that they would refund all their money.

BTW Hyundai is getting the same thing because the 03 tibs are said to have 183 hp but they have been proven to have about 160 hp. Now there being sued too.....

It's sad when you gotta lie to sell cars

Mazda, Hyundai, You don't have to lie to kick it. :disappoin

this could get ugly. but i'll chime my opinions. rx-8 would be on my list too. other cars i would include:

nsx only coz of its price but otherwise a fine automobile
s2000...same as nsx
eclipse gt..... not a fan of the newer ones, doesn't quite match the predecessor in any respect IMO
vw beetle.......the fad is over, this car should just die. haha
pt cruiser.....same as beetle


these are just my opinions. none of these cars are really bad but a lot of the hype for these cars are unjustified in my eyes.

I would have to say the new GTO's. we have one of the new ones at college and from the test drive alone i could see it was as slow as a herd of turtles and ugly it does not deserve the Badge of the GTO :2cents:

definitely have to say the RX8, no torque

rx-8 for sure
im sure ill get alot from this one, but the skyline is overrated. its a great auto, but everyone nowadays says they want one. like DEL said, to me a little overpriced. especially when you can find other cars that are faster for more less than half its price

Yeah I think the RX-8 is up there, I mean it's straightline acceleration is just very disappointing. I'm sure it handles very well (still not as well as I expected) and etc., but I was expecting much more from this car. What may even be worst, is it's aftermarket support, man there is hardly nothing out there to add more power to this car, RX-8 fans I have heard of Cazooner or Kazooner, but other than that it's just suspension, universal parts, and brakes you can upgrade.

ANY Nissan Skyline that does not read "GTR" on any part of the car. The RB20DE & DET's are not very fast at all and have a sufficient lack of torque, the RB25's are better, but still no miracle of engineering, they are heavy, the handling is rubbish when stock, the Interior was designed for Asia (Read: Short people) and it shows, to top it off, the R34 four doors look like a rolling turd.

ANY Nissan Skyline that does not read "GTR" on any part of the car. The RB20DE & DET's are not very fast at all and have a sufficient lack of torque, the RB25's are better, but still no miracle of engineering, they are heavy, the handling is rubbish when stock, the Interior was designed for Asia (Read: Short people) and it shows, to top it off, the R34 four doors look like a rolling turd.

at least i know one person agrees with me

I'd like to agree w/ the NSX... it is a fine automobile but I'd like to get a little more for $80K... why not spend a little more get a Carera, spend a little less, get a Viper. I think you get a much better deal on a Z06, a car that will probably beat an NSX in any type of race, straight, turns, whatever.

Also, the Skyline... just because this car is not allowed in America, it has developed a Cult following... I mean, I can accept it for what it is, but those in the religion think it is God on wheels. You guys know what I mean... they act like it is a Ferrari Enzo or something.

meh, but they're the same idiots who worship 20 inch tims on RX7's. Usually.

lol I forgot about the NSX..... "I got a 80K super car!!!" (Yeah, with the same EXACT interior as a honda civic dx, and less performance than a trans am.) I never heard the trans am being called a super car. So why would a slower car be called one?????? Should be called a super waste of money!

Also the "older" GTO is a american ICON!!!! And the new GTO can't even beat the car it replaced (WS6) In any type of track. Also, I thought it was a muscle car? Where's the muscle???? I don't see muscle anywhere? Not in the body or in the engine. The sad part is I laughed when I heard Pontiac trying to hype up the car at the LA AUTO SHOW. " It has 325 hp and runs 1/4 mile in 13.8 seconds" Also, why is it slower when it hasTrue Dual Exhaust????

Also, lol. Eclipse GT, piece of monkey *@%& car. (Mitsu car designer) "How about we make a new eclipse! Yeah, we can make it uglier, slower, and take away the awd option. Sounds like a good idea!"

And they wonder why their in the slump that their in. They should have retired our eclipses at the 2g and let us become classics.

And this 05 eclipse.............
Don't get me started.........

NSX, S2000, Skyline, and RX8. I would have said integras too, but I think people are finally realizing that they aren't even fast.

I would have to say the new GTO's. we have one of the new ones at college and from the test drive alone i could see it was as slow as a herd of turtles and ugly it does not deserve the Badge of the GTO :2cents:


Interesting. They should be running mid 13s.

Cadillac Escalade.

Cadillac Escalade.

Explain.

It's no better (in fact, I think it is worse) than luxury SUV offerings from German and Japanese automakers, yet it manages to sell extremely well. I think it's because so many athletes and rock stars ride around in it because it's so big.

And rappers. I see what you mean.

lol I forgot about the NSX..... "I got a 80K super car!!!" (Yeah, with the same EXACT interior as a honda civic dx, and less performance than a trans am.) I never heard the trans am being called a super car. So why would a slower car be called one?????? Should be called a super waste of money!

Also the "older" GTO is a american ICON!!!! And the new GTO can't even beat the car it replaced (WS6) In any type of track. Also, I thought it was a muscle car? Where's the muscle???? I don't see muscle anywhere? Not in the body or in the engine. The sad part is I laughed when I heard Pontiac trying to hype up the car at the LA AUTO SHOW. " It has 325 hp and runs 1/4 mile in 13.8 seconds" Also, why is it slower when it hasTrue Dual Exhaust????
Wrong, I'm sure that the GTO/Monaro will cream a Firebird on a proper road course. The suspension set up is many times superior. Sorry.

The Pontiac GTO was only good for a few years back in the 60's, then it turned into a big festering turd after that, be glad the Monaro isn't a turd like the last GTO.

Whats with bashing the new Eclipse V6? They are decently quick, get good gas mileage, and look great.. They are a TAD slower than the GS-T and GS-X, but throw a turbo on the V6 and you'll be smoking them. Also, probably the reason Mits ditched the AWD and turbos is reliability issues.

i would have to agree with a few people on the skyline. a lot of people make the skyline out more than what it is. the only reason i would want one is becasue of the rarity factor. plus, it doesn't even look that cool.

Whats with bashing the new Eclipse V6? They are decently quick, get good gas mileage, and look great.. They are a TAD slower than the GS-T and GS-X, but throw a turbo on the V6 and you'll be smoking them. Also, probably the reason Mits ditched the AWD and turbos is reliability issues.

What makes you think Mitsubishi ditched AWD and Turbo? Well on the Eclipse they did, but not as a company.

gonna have to disagree on the GTO.
I wasn't a fan until last week when rhys millen ran his GTO up pikes peak. he ran a 13:08,and since he had no power steering the whole way up(pontiac quality) that is really fast. It was 490 hp, but rwd in the mud has its disadvantages with a few mods this car is somethin else. he was beating up in subarus in the mud. that is just incredible.

Most overated car: new minis, they turned a cool little classic into a chick car

just wanted to note... the GTO has 350HP not 325, and it fits the muscle car persona exactly... a muscle car was a car that didn't look like it had balls... a corvette isn't a muscle car, an STI or a GTO are, family sedans that could smoke a sports tuned Type R, that is muscle.

BTW I still don't like it, it has nothing to do w/ the old GTO, and isn't even a new car, it is a Holden rebadged for america.

i disagree with the gto not bieng muscle and or fast. that car is the same as a camaro ss which imo is nice and fast. let those who have it get use to it first, its been ran at 13.6(you call that turtle?)
that car is by no means a slouch!

What makes you think Mitsubishi ditched AWD and Turbo? Well on the Eclipse they did, but not as a company.

I was referring to the Eclipse AWD and turbo technology. I'm pretty positve the EVO line is bread from a completely different turbo/AWD development concept and function.

The fundamental change in the eclipse was due to Mitsubishi's attempt to make the eclipse a car for a much older market still looking for sport quality... From what I heard the transformation has turned young people completely off the eclipse, and it hasn't really hit with older drivers.

As for useless cars, I will get insane heat for this, but the Porsche Boxter (Not S) is very useless... It seems to me that the boxter is for people wanting a porsche just to say they have a porsche...The 228hp engine is hardly Porsche worthy and I think is a modified Jetta VR6 engine

No, the DSM has the exact same engine as the Evo, the 4G63 I think it's called.

I had my money on the pinto when it first came out.. They over rated that thing! Im still getting over the shock. Thats my number 1! :cya:

Actually the most overrated cars in my opinion, are all Mitsubishi's. They are over all unreliable cars for the money, the 4g63 engine is not a built engine, even in the evo 8. You try and up the boost and do a few other mods on any Mitsu car from the TSI to the EVO, and you are going to run into major reliability problems. Im sure I will get perverbially bitch slapped for saying this.. but its just my opinion and experiance.

I wasn't saying that it wasn't a muscle car. But I know 100 percent, that when we all heard of a new "GTO" we all wet our selves. And then when we saw this one............ I really don't think it was worth the pants wetting IMHO.

Also, you can't say that mistu stopped the turbo and awd for reliability issues. If that were the case, Then why would they have both on the best car that they offer? And actually, The GT and GTS are alot slower than the GSX and GST. GSX runs 14.7-14.9, and GTS is a 15.2-15.5 car.

And I really hate when people say "Well, put a turbo in the GT/GTS and it will be faster." Becuase don't forget, it has 6 cylinders. Hell, give us 2 more cyls and will still be faster than the 3G's

Also, you can't say that mistu stopped the turbo and awd for reliability issues. If that were the case, Then why would they have both on the best car that they offer?

Because they really wanted to have the Evo here to compete in the sport-compact market. It's still not reliable. Go to some Evo forums or local Evo clubs, you'll see what I mean.

the evo engine is a pretty strong engine.. reliable? i can't say that about any mitsibishi.. and i think the old ones are better than the new ones..

Also, probably the reason Mits ditched the AWD and turbos is reliability issues.

also i dont think they were having problems with the AWD and turbo.. i mean sh*t dude they made the evo.. im pretty sure the eclipse isn't that different..

I was referring to the Eclipse AWD and turbo technology. I'm pretty positve the EVO line is bread from a completely different turbo/AWD development concept and function.

Its the same engine.. not exactly the same.. but pretty close.. also the awd system should be just like the evo

I did not know Mitsubishi had so many quality problems with their cars... I had heard their heavy industry was having serious quality problems and they were trying to hide their recalls from investors ect... Diamler also refused to give them a 6B cash infusion and they are in trouble...

you guys know mitsubishi made tanks in WW2.

yup.. and subaru made plane engines.. fun huh?

mitsubishi also makes tv's.. if thats not bad enough.. lol

Actually the most overrated cars in my opinion, are all Mitsubishi's. They are over all unreliable cars for the money, the 4g63 engine is not a built engine, even in the evo 8. You try and up the boost and do a few other mods on any Mitsu car from the TSI to the EVO, and you are going to run into major reliability problems. Im sure I will get perverbially bitch slapped for saying this.. but its just my opinion and experiance.

Let the bitch slapping begin! Overrated I totally disagree, why because you are asuming people rate Mitsu relaibility as incredibly high, wouldn't that have to be the case to be overrated in the first place, most people know Mitsubishi doesn't have the greatest reliability so how is it overrated. Second of all, maybe do some research before you make such bold comments, many EVOs are street realiable and running 11 seconds and faster already in the USA, the EVO is no different than any other car that can run into problems when they triple the horsepower, it's just a fact, the more power often means the more problems for many cars, not just the EVO. You say from experience, how many 500AWHP+ DSMs or EVOs have or do you own?

Actually the most overrated cars in my opinion, are all Mitsubishi's. They are over all unreliable cars for the money, the 4g63 engine is not a built engine, even in the evo 8. You try and up the boost and do a few other mods on any Mitsu car from the TSI to the EVO, and you are going to run into major reliability problems. Im sure I will get perverbially bitch slapped for saying this.. but its just my opinion and experiance.


i know plenty of people with the 3000gt with well over 200,000 miles on em, hell i'm at 150,000 miles, and no probs with the engine yet, not even signs. now the synchro' is another story but besides the sychro's its very reliable.

The fundamental change in the eclipse was due to Mitsubishi's attempt to make the eclipse a car for a much older market still looking for sport quality... From what I heard the transformation has turned young people completely off the eclipse, and it hasn't really hit with older drivers.

As for useless cars, I will get insane heat for this, but the Porsche Boxter (Not S) is very useless... It seems to me that the boxter is for people wanting a porsche just to say they have a porsche...The 228hp engine is hardly Porsche worthy and I think is a modified Jetta VR6 engine
What?? The engines couldn't be any more different. The Jetta engine is a Narrow-angle 2.8 litre V6, the Porsche engine is either a 2.5 or 2.7 litre flat six (depending on year)

My list of overrated cars: DSM's, evos, mercedes, audi's, vw (ie. golfs and passats... I mean rolling electrical problems)

hmm overrated cars...
I'm going to have to go with Skyline, even the GTR. Not to say it isnt a bad ass car in anyway but lets face it, allot of people believe this car to be a god. I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me, but I would like only the people who own or have driven(spiritedly :P) to correct me since they are the only ones who can really say. :)
I think I have the right to underrate a vehicle that I haven't driven that allot of other people who have also not driven it either but overrate it.
or something.. :twak:

lol

edit: while I am already rebeling against popular belief I am going to say the 240sx is also overrated.

*puts on flame suit

rx-8 no doubt.

yup.. and subaru made plane engines.. fun huh?

mitsubishi also makes tv's.. if thats not bad enough.. lol

haha thats funny you mention that, i used to have a big screen mitsubishi

i'd say the skyline is overated in certain peoples eyes, since there are kids who(beleive it or not) would believe a stock skyline could out run a viper :grinno: so i can see where your coming from.

also in the ricer scene, the supra is also overated, they see that car and fall to there knees and bow :worshippy but they don't do it for a trans am ws6 :dunno:

Let the bitch slapping begin! Overrated I totally disagree, why because you are asuming people rate Mitsu relaibility as incredibly high, wouldn't that have to be the case to be overrated in the first place, most people know Mitsubishi doesn't have the greatest reliability so how is it overrated. Second of all, maybe do some research before you make such bold comments, many EVOs are street realiable and running 11 seconds and faster already in the USA, the EVO is no different than any other car that can run into problems when they triple the horsepower, it's just a fact, the more power often means the more problems for many cars, not just the EVO. You say from experience, how many 500AWHP+ DSMs or EVOs have or do you own?

actually it started like this..

"Also, lol. Eclipse GT, piece of monkey *@%& car. (Mitsu car designer) "How about we make a new eclipse! Yeah, we can make it uglier, slower, and take away the awd option. Sounds like a good idea!""

everyone stop talkin about the reliablility plz


and yea i have a mitsubishi tv thats why lol

i'd say the skyline is overated in certain peoples eyes, since there are kids who(beleive it or not) would believe a stock skyline could out run a viper :grinno: so i can see where your coming from.

also in the ricer scene, the supra is also overated, they see that car and fall to there knees and bow :worshippy but they don't do it for a trans am ws6 :dunno:
u know one thing tho.. i hate the fact that 70% of the people out there probably didnt know what a skyline was until 2f2f (and a supra in fnf) its pretty stupid.. i think thats the worse ricer movie ever.. also i think those 2 cars are pretty good.. i mean if u think about it.. and you've been on these forums long enough.. you'll read that skylines/supras win races n set records everywhere.. so i dont think its overrated.. just too much hype from people that dont know jack crap about the car

I don't think it's so much overrated as overhyped(like aznxthuggie said) . People get hyped over the fact that it has AWD (which isn't even full time) and Twin turbo. Granted it is a good car regardless, but it's hardly the godsend to the automotive industry.

I'd say majority of the cars out there are overrated to some extent. People who think European is the best always say a Porsche will beat a corvette or a skyline. People who think American is the best will always believe that a Vette could take any honda. I'm just tossing out examples, but you get the point.

The Skyline GT-R is severely overrated. It's no faster than your run-of-the-mill Corvette Z06, yet people act like it's the fastest car ever made.

finally people who agree with me about the SKYLINE. imo its very ugly looking and very very overrated. People come on we know its fast but its the not the fastest out there.

Actually, I think a Z06 is faster, all around better car... I may be biased, but I bet you in Japan they think a Z06 is meaner than a skyline, since they have the latter and lack the former.

Oh,
I'd like to add Supra to my list...
YoungVR4 out in nicely, people don't seem to respect other mid 13sec cars, but a Supra, well, that is better than a Vette, Camaro, Viper, whatever... and hell, it can be made to have 2400HP and still be driven daily, didn't you know that, all on stock internals... this is the common ricer/Supra propganda I hear

Heh, I prefer the 300ZX TT to the Supra TT, even if it's slower. :)

My list of overrated cars: DSM's, evos, mercedes, audi's, vw (ie. golfs and passats... I mean rolling electrical problems)
Rolling electrical problems....

Our Passat must be one, I mean the whole zero electrical faults we've had in a year and a half of ownership is absolutely dismal. It was even worse on the demonstrator we had overnight- 2 years old and still no electrical problems! Absofuckinglutely dismal.

However the most overated cars are:

1. Nissan A31 Cefiro- Lot's of people loive them because they are useful as drift cars- look beyond that and it's an affair of weak transmissions, rust and chronic electrical faults.

2. Rotary Mazda's. I'm aware of thier talents, but at the rate the faggots here harp on about them, you'd think they were jet powered. Choice car of conformists and sluts.

3. Skylines- I love riding on the ass of a GTSt in my Civic or step-sisters 2.0 Octavia as they struggle to haul thier ass up hills.

4. Jaguar X Type- It's a fricking Ford Mondeo- GET OVER IT!!!!

5. Saab 9-3- It's a fricking Holden Vectra- GET OVER IT!!!!!

6. Big Japanese four-wheel drives- Remuera mothers love them over here- I just get pissed off at tehm because they can't park them for shit and take ages at the gas pump.

7. Rotary powered Jappa vans. It's no longer original, it's no longer cool- just ditch that shit.

i disagree with the skyline being over rate, but i do think it was over hyped. its not anything special in the quarter mile, but on turns it is pretty damn amazing. why else would they ban the 4-wheel drive?

My list of overrated cars: DSM's, evos, mercedes, audi's, vw (ie. golfs and passats... I mean rolling electrical problems)

im not sure what you mean by electrical problems with audis, i hear that all the time about vw tho. audi never really has a problem with it tho. i dont agree however that vw and audi are overrated, i will give you the others tho

My list of overrated cars: DSM's, evos, <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=mercedes&v=56">mercedes</a>;, audi's, vw (ie. golfs and passats... I mean rolling electrical problems)

Ok people if your going to call something overrated than I hope you can give some reasoning for this, cuz to me it seems like your list has to do with more about cars YOU don't like and have nothing to do with being overrated. How exactly is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution overrated?

1) Is it the awesome styling? Most people agree and even I that it's not the best looking car (although I like it). So it can't be that.

2) Is it the super luxurious interior? Please, the interior is purposeful but nobody is calling it a rival to Lexus and BMW. So it can't be that.

3) Is it the reliability? Really I don't think Mitsubishi reliability is that bad, but nobody is gonna call it Toyota or Honda quality now are they? So it can't be that.

4) Is it the performance? I beg to differ, the performance of this car is not overrated, but often underrated. Don't get me wrong, it's no Viper or Corvette ZO6, but for under $30,000 it has few rivals that can match it's all around performance. To me that isn't overrated at all.

Look if you don't like a car, then go to Cars I Love/Cars I Hate Forum, but this post is about overrated cars, and if you think a car is overrated back it up.

Also I can agree with you guys on the Skyline, because of the price tag being so high, but most people don't admire the Skyline so much for it's stock performance, but for it's tremendous potential.

Second of all, maybe do some research before you make such bold comments, many EVOs are street realiable and running 11 seconds and faster already in the USA,- 3000ways

First off, I know you dont have a 500whp EVO or 3K. If you did, you would understand what I was talking about. You will blow your engine at least 3 times before realizing mitsubishi makes crappy products. You could easily go buy and LS1 and do everything you possibly could to it and it would run at the track all day long. The fact of the matter is besides the EVO, Mitsubishi didnt produce their engines to be mass boosted, or sprayed. If they had, the crank, and the rods and pistons, would have been way stronger. But no I have not had a 500 hp mitsu.. I have had a 438 awhp DSM TSI. Engine blew twice, transmission was replaced 3 times, clutches replaced countless times, axles braking... the car mitsu produced up until the EVO were not made for modding.. I will change my statement and say.. the EVO could be a good car, but all other mitsubishi cars like the Eclipse and VR4 are overrated. If you want a good car that lives up to its name and heritage.. go buy an SRT4.. thats reliability and power.

How exactly is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution overrated?
Don't get me wrong, it's no Viper or Corvette ZO6, but for under $30,000 it has few rivals that can match it's all around performance.\

Sorry, didnt see that post when I wrote my long one.. but the last part of that quote is totally inaccurate.. but for under 30k it has few rivals that can match its all around performance.. how about for just around 20k, it has a major rival. The SRT4 is a superior design and quality to the Evolution.. I know you got your nuts off on the EVO because its an AWD Turbo mitsubishi, but I guarante, that the EVO is not running 1000+ HP on the stock block, crank, and head, and running 8.2! Like the mopar teams SRT-4 is.. nor will the evo be able to do that.. Frankly the Evo wasnt built for drag racing, but for rally racing... which means its over rated for drag racing, and under rated for rally racing (mainly because no one talks about its off road potential).

:dupe: I don't understand :wtf: was point of this thread? To each his own subjective preference. If you guys got nothing better to do than argue and bash pointlessly at each other, then I can see your reasons.

First off, I know you dont have a 500whp EVO or 3K. If you did, you would understand what I was talking about. You will blow your engine at least 3 times before realizing mitsubishi makes crappy products. You could easily go buy and LS1 and do everything you possibly could to it and it would run at the track all day long. The fact of the matter is besides the EVO, Mitsubishi didnt produce their engines to be mass boosted, or sprayed. If they had, the crank, and the rods and pistons, would have been way stronger. But no I have not had a 500 hp mitsu.. I have had a 438 awhp DSM TSI. Engine blew twice, transmission was replaced 3 times, clutches replaced countless times, axles braking... the car mitsu produced up until the EVO were not made for modding.. I will change my statement and say.. the EVO could be a good car, but all other mitsubishi cars like the Eclipse and VR4 are overrated. If you want a good car that lives up to its name and heritage.. go buy an SRT4.. thats reliability and power.

:disappoin so the srt-4 is reliability and power but the evo and vr4 are not? i have beat the living sh!t out of my car and not a sign of engine problems yet at 150,000 miles, only bad synchro's which is a $700 problem, big deal. how is the vr4 overated, most people think its a mid 14 sec car and don't think much of it. knowledgeable people know its a very nice car but not overated.

random complaints by people who don't own a vr4: its too heavy, it can't handle for sh!t, the transmissions are bad.

now ask anyone on this board and they will neither overate the car are underate it, it is what it is. its more underated then overated. and you keep speaking about your cars engine's going bad, maybe you can't tune very well, bet ya never thought of that :loser:

why i know so many dsm owners running 12's and 11's without ever blowing the engine :dunno:

First off, I know you dont have a 500whp EVO or 3K. If you did, you would understand what I was talking about. You will blow your engine at least 3 times before realizing mitsubishi makes crappy products. You could easily go buy and LS1 and do everything you possibly could to it and it would run at the track all day long. The fact of the matter is besides the EVO, Mitsubishi didnt produce their engines to be mass boosted, or sprayed. If they had, the crank, and the rods and pistons, would have been way stronger. But no I have not had a 500 hp mitsu.. I have had a 438 awhp DSM TSI. Engine blew twice, transmission was replaced 3 times, clutches replaced countless times, axles braking... the car mitsu produced up until the EVO were not made for modding.. I will change my statement and say.. the EVO could be a good car, but all other mitsubishi cars like the Eclipse and VR4 are overrated. If you want a good car that lives up to its name and heritage.. go buy an SRT4.. thats reliability and power.
Ummm.....There are plenty of street-driven Lancer Evo's and GSR's that run 11 seconds- getting an Evo to run an 11/12 second pass is easier than taking candy from a baby.

I have had a 438 awhp DSM TSI. Engine blew twice, transmission was replaced 3 times, clutches replaced countless times, axles braking...
Sound like personal problems to me...... I know of many Dsm that run 12,11,10's without having any engines blow.

Anyways, another car that I think is overrated is the............ (puts flame retardant suit on) Honda Prelude. I mean they are nice cars but come on, stock they are not quick. And I'm tired of everyone saying how much the H22 will kill EVERYTHING. And I'm also tired of every prelude owner thinking that it will kill me in a straight line drag. It never does. It's a good engine to use in a swap into a civic, but the prelude just doesn't impress in the drags. But the handling is awesome I have to admit. (runs for the hills.)

ludes really aren't that fast. i think they are just loved for their style, and handling. they are plenty fast, but nothing insane. for me, reliability has a lot to do with it as well. i love my lude.

anyhow, my vote is the audi TT. a good friend of mine spend 45 grand on an 03 quattro roadster. it only has 225 hp (top of the line for that year) . it's quick, and really sharp. but it only runs in the low 15's at the track. same times as my "much cheaper" lude.

and CIVIC'S. everywhere i go there's a CIVIC, with big freaking aluminum wing and spinner hubcaps, and an asswhooping 105hp. they are good cars. i used to own one. but don't try to make it into something it's not.

only TT that rocks is the 4.2 quattro - which is still worse than a 350z, there was a large comparison test on tv lately and the TT lost bad.

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Sorry, didnt see that post when I wrote my long one.. but the last part of that quote is totally inaccurate.. but for under 30k it has few rivals that can match its all around performance.. how about for just around 20k, it has a major rival. The SRT4 is a superior design and quality to the Evolution.. I know you got your nuts off on the EVO because its an AWD Turbo mitsubishi, but I guarante, that the EVO is not running 1000+ HP on the stock block, crank, and head, and running 8.2! Like the mopar teams SRT-4 is.. nor will the evo be able to do that.. Frankly the Evo wasnt built for drag racing, but for rally racing... which means its over rated for drag racing, and under rated for rally racing (mainly because no one talks about its off road potential).

Dude WTF are you talking about, the SRT-4 is a rival to the EVO, you know slap your self for being stupid. Don't get me wrong I think the SRT-4 is a great car, but the EVO is faster to 60 Miles, faster through the 1/4 mile, brakes alot better, handles better, is all around a much more superior car than the SRT-4, please don't be stupid because your making your self look very stupid right now. The Mopar SRT-4 is no more a SRT-4 than an F1 car is a street legal Ferrari. Superior design, STF up, it's a neon for christ sake, a very fast one, but still a Neon. Ok I'm so inaccurate, prove me wrong, find something that the SRT-4 does better performance wise than the EVO stock for stock, and if all you can come up is a freeway race from a roll (very close between the two cars) then that's sad, because like I said the only from a roll racing I know is around an open track, and the EVO would send any SRT-4 stock for stock it's walking papers. So ok smart ass, give me information that proves me wrong, I'm interested?

Here is a 9.95 1/4 Mile EVO (since you think EVOs aren't meant to drag, please, don't be stupid) by the way this one has full interior and is street legal, is the Mopar SRT-4 even close to street legal, um didn't think so.

http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=2963

Also here is a 10.84 1/4 Mile EVO, how many street legal SRT-4s have hit 10s so far, none. I know two examples isn't the most, because I'm sure Camaros and Mustangs have been hitting 10s and lower for years, but the EVO has only been on sale in the USA for alittle over a year, and so far no American 350Z, RX-8, or SRT-4 can claim to have hit 10s. Also let's not forget about the EVOs track performance check out One Lap of America and SCC Time Trial, EVOs took first place class victories, and in the top 5 Positions overall. Didn't the equally modified SRT-4 finish 18th or 20th overall in the One Lap of America, interesting huh.

http://www.automotosports.com/media/amsevo8-1084pass.wmv



the Mopar SRT-4 is a full on drag car, and shouldn't be used in comparisons with street legal cars now should they, ok how abot Street Glow Solaras that run 7 second 1/4 miles, so that means Solaras are the best.

Now this is no way trying to be a post to call the EVO the best car, because I know it's not, stock for stock it's no match for ZO6s or Vipers, or etc, but for it's price it has few equals (sorry SRT-4 is not one) under $30,000, to call that overrated is stupid. Is it just me or does it sound like Zsmasher is kind of overrating the Neon SRT-4, hum, interesting.

By the way Turbo Trix 9 second EVO and AMS 10 second EVO are still on their first engine dumb ass, still like I said nobody ever rated Mitsubishi the highest on any score card for being the most reliable, so how could it be overrated, cuz it was never rated high to began with. Besides wasn't there a certain 500WHP Yellow SRT-4 owned by a Mr. Steve Anderson that blew his engine... Look not trying to knock the the SRT-4, it's a great car, but ZSmasher what you say seems very inaccurate and more opinion based than factual.

About Mitsubishi Reliability... I had two friend's, one w/ a 1st Gen GSX 450WHP and another w/ an AWD Laser 300 WHP... both of them blew headgaskets, and other DSM people I've known have also reported blow headgaskets, or waterpumps, or other things... no matter what you say, it is true, it's not a rumor or hearsay when it has happened to so many people.

look at them, there talking about 1gens and blowing head gaskets. Come on.... I know mitsu's not too high up there on the reliability charts but you gotta remember that the 1st gen are AT LEAST 10 years old. How can you guys diss mitsu's realiability and then to support your arguement, you give us a 10 year old (AT LEAST 10.... could be a 90 and that makes it 15 years) and say it blew a head. Umm, the car is ten years old, It's pushing 300-450 WHP. I think that in itself is a good feat. Pushing all that HP at that age, somethings bound to happen. I bet if you get a 10-15 year old honda engine and give it 300-450whp somethings gonna break too. But the worst part is the people telling us to get the SRT-4 instead. Dude your comparing a 15 year old car's reliability to a 1-2 year old car's. Do you know how reliable the SRT's gonna be in 15 years?????? That's like saying "My toddler doesn't brake bones as much as your grandpa!!!"

Come on, thats sad :disappoin

(I'm not calling the SRT-4 a bad car, or I'm not saying that mitsu's the best in car reliability because neither are true. But come on, think about what your saying)

just from my experience.. all the shops i been to.. or the mechanics i know complain about mitsubishi's.. so there.. thats enough for me already.. if you want to buy some old dsm or somecrap then go for it.. dont complain to anyone when it breaks down or anything