:smoka: look the way i figure it is when u can take a car that u drive to work every day and drive it to the strip and you ran a 9.72@et thats is bad because u cant do that to a big block chevy or any other muscle car but u can do it to a import in fact the muscle cars of the past ruined it for us. the whole reason we can't get the really bad ass imports from Japan like an R34 skyline GTR Vspec is due to the muscle cars of our past put out to mutch air pollution i mean think a bout it Japaneze regular cheap gas at the local gas station is the racing fuel u have to get from a special store in the u.s. i mean the Japanese know how to make a car if you have any info on any thing i am wrong about in this let ME know please :smoka:

what are you talking about?
most imports are honda/toyota, etc...
you cant drive a 9 sec honda to work.
you can drive alot of nice domestics to work that run 8s-10s...

and i own both, so im not biased, but lemme know when you have an import in the u.s. that is runnin nines that is COMFORTABLE to drive every day... and im not talkin supras...

Originally posted by flylwsi
and i own both, so im not biased, but lemme know when you have an import in the u.s. that is runnin nines that is COMFORTABLE to drive every day... and im not talkin supras...

lots of nitrous on a lamborghini diablo!!! :D oh u meant japanese import. an rx7 could do it. but no, a fwd car like most imports could not.

look, most jap imports that run nines will not be driveable every day, and same with american iron, of course there are exceptions.

talk abbut complete bullshit excuses, monkey. Do some research before you make yourself look stupid......oops.....too late:finger4:

an rx7 is a good choice, but they are time bombs, susceptible to overheating...
having one with enough power to run 9s means it runs pretty hot, and i dont know that it would be a great general driver...

but it is still a good choice... i thought about it, but i figured you'd get my point...

That is one of the most retarded postest I have every seen! You cant drive(daily/street) a muscle car that does 9 seconds but you can an import that does on the street!?!?!!? Acctualy its the other way around. And as for muscle cars ruining the fact that we dont get Skylines and Silvias and whatnot is complete BS. Its the fault of car company execs in both Japan and the US.

Originally posted by TheWask
That is one of the most retarded postest I have every seen! You cant drive(daily/street) a muscle car that does 9 seconds but you can an import that does on the street!?!?!!? Acctualy its the other way around. And as for muscle cars ruining the fact that we dont get Skylines and Silvias and whatnot is complete BS. Its the fault of car company execs in both Japan and the US.

Wrong. it's not the companies faults. The reason we don't have Things like skylines over here is because of old men. The reason why they don't bring skylines over here is because there isn't a market for it. If they did they'd lose a lot of money and then our favourite companies would go out of business then we could kiss skylines and everything else goodbye from everywhere, and don't try saying "of course theres a market, me and everyone one of my friends would love to buy them because you wouldn't. You'd want to buy them but you wouldn't be able to. I mean how many of us have $100,000 or more american sitting around to blow on a brand new skyline?). And once again, the reason for there not being a market is old men. Why do you ask is it old men's faults? Because old men are the only ones that have to money to buy a brnad new skyline. How many people under 25 do you know with that kind of cash? They won't buy Skylines because they'd rather have corvette's, vipers and other domestic cars. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

I mean just think about it, if you had a choice between an inredibly awesome car like a skyline and an incredibly awesome car like a corvette that you've grown up with, dreamed of owning when you were a kid and quite possibly owned as your first car, which one are you gonna buy? simple, the one you grew up with. So until more people with enough money to buy them start liking skylines they aren't going to be sold in North America. Which is why i believe that in about 20 years or so when all the people who are into imports now are older and have high paying jobs and nothing left to spend it on after having paid off they're houses and everything i think they mor then likely will bring the skylines and other such cars over here. I mean they've already got the I35(given that thing is a horrible disgrace to the name skyline, but it is a step in the right direction.)

So no, the companies are not doing anything wrong. In fact they're doing the right thing by not wasting money and not destroying the company.

Also the other factor in it is regulations. North America has the highest requirements for crash impact and emissions. These cars were developed without those standards in mind and are very expensive to convert on a mass basis to meet those standards. And the rest is as CAptynCrunch said.

This post just makes me :confused:

seriously, what is this post about anyway..theres like 3 different topics...

corect me if i'm wrong but isnt thier another thread about this very thig called "Imports or Domestic". I mean whats the use in starting a new thread?

anyone heard of the 4 rotor engines some rotary tuning company makes? naturally aspirated and 850hp, redline at 18,000 rpm! im gonna have to find more details!

Actually, the biggest reason there is no Skyline here is it's design. According to a Nissan exec interviewed by Road and Track, the cost of importing the Skyline and converting it to left side drive would make it too expensive to compete. A stock R34 Skyline accelrates no quicker than a stock LS1 F-body, and would cost more than a GTS Viper. The conversion problem is due to the fact that the turbo's are located exactly where the steering shaft would have to be run. The car was NEVER intended to be imported here. That's why the new GTR concept based on the 350Z will most likely be a V-6 or V-8, so that the American market can be tapped, and the fact that Nissan feels it desperately need s to fill the Performance gap left by the 300 ZX being discontinued over here.

this never works a post like this comes along and then there's world war 3

each market has their strong points but at the moment Camaros and Firebirds are to be discontinued doesn't that suck? but the main buyers aren't buying them under 21's that is so they get imports instead.... the downfall of the Muscle Cars is due to over pricing them with too many luxuries

they priced out their main buyers so fuck em they can burn

FUCK YOU CHEVY AND PONTIAC

GO NISSAN HONDA etc


i'm getting a Silvia

fuck chevy and potiac? dude fuck you, the zo6 will ass rape your bitch,ass. And even though there not selling them anymore doesnt mean that their gone off the face of the earth. camaro ss's are still running around bitch slapping all of your hondas and nissans. so unitl you can sell a skyline for 55,000 and make it beat a z06, shut the hell up!

wow. you can get a skyline for that price. go to motorex.net
you can get an r32 or r33, which both have the same perf numbers as the r34, for around that price.

his point was not fuck chevy and pontiac b/c they are bad, he was simply pointing out that they shot themselves in the foot. they do not appeal as much to the crowd that is buying a sports car right now. that has a LOT to do with fuel economy, at least for me anyways...

this is a similar cyclical flow that happened in the 70's when we had the gas crisis. the automotive market, like everything else, is cyclical. why not calm down and look at what the post meant, not what he said. i dont think you can really debate something when you are talking about ass raping an econo car with a car that is closer to supercar status. i'm sure if honda and nissan made a car in the zo6 price range, that was supposed to compete with the zo6, they could prolly do it. but they dont want to. or dont have to.

either way, there is no way to compare skylines and vettes... simply b/c of price for a "new" one. but buy an older skyline, and you gotta problem on your hands... b/c they are quick...

Imports use cheap gas and american cars use "race fuel"...
LOL. Ever seen a FAST Import? I'll bet 99% of them have a turbo of some sort running TONS of boost....
What kinda gas do you have to run to crank the boost up that high?

DING DING DING!

Thats right ladies and gentlemen, HIGH OCTANE RACE FUEL!!!!!!!!!!

Secondly, the "old Big Blocks" ruined it for us? Umm. No.
Back in the day, there WERE no emissions. Not so that big blocks could run around....Because they didn't NEED THEM. The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government. Dipshit.

This whole post is a load of shit....
Import vs Domestic wars are getting old, and VERY lame.

hey...
i talked about fuel economy. thats called a gas crisis. and smog eqpt on a 302 that made it put out less than 150hp isnt a strangled motor? hmm...

also... on a built n/a domestic, you gots to run some high octane fuel there too my friend. dont knock me if you dont know me. and dont call me a dipshit if you cant read what i said.

ONE more thing...
if this is so old, why did you decide to post here? why bother to fuel the fire? oh yeah, b/c you are misinformed about imports.

"The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government"
oh, what exactly does this mean, since it says nothing?
since you say the govt is not to blame, but we should blame them? the reason the power dropped was to make a car that could run on low octane, and not be a gas guzzler.

wow, will this gay shit ever stop

i respect any car regardless of where it comes from.......its the best thing to do....i mean jap vs. domestic.......its like frikkin car RACISM....

not every single japanese car in the world ever made ever end of story is gonna be excellent godlike perfect on gas and reliable......same goes for domestics......a car is a car, its an individual....lets drop the gay racism and get back to talkin about what we love. Im about to buy a firebird........but im hesitating.......coz i dont wanna have to knock the shit out of every honda that thinks hes a bad ass.......same if i get an import...every vette in town is gonna try to run me thinkin im an easy kill ricer........its out of hand people, it really is

about skylines....if you cant put up (and i believe only the NZers here can) then SHUT UP

They all have their high points and low points, and they all get great gas mileage(the new ones anyways). Imports(as known in america) were designed to be economy cars, boring and dull commuters that got good gas mileage in the fuel scares of the '70's and '80's, when is the last time you saw a 405 horse car that could better 28 mpg on the highway(ZO6) naturally aspirated? Ok, now name the last time you saw an import do that naturally aspirated and still run low 12's? The point is they are all equal, some just happen to have 2 or4 more cylinders and make a hell of a lot more horsepower, make fast what you can, if u can only afford a honduh, then make it fast or same with an american car. But let the timeslips and the skidpad results talk for themselves. The name of the game is hot rodding, DEFINED as- anything you do do yuor car to make it faster/handle/stop better, we are a world divided here and there will always be an argument over this topic. So keep on arguing, but i'll stick with my american cars, so they don't last as long and get worse gs mileage(kinda hard to do when we're at WOT all the time because we're stomping import ass all the time) but we can still have the horsepower and full interiors and ride in comfort. RACE ON brethren

your post was really good until you got to the anti import shiet.
i know you are about american cars, but hell, if you spend47k on a zo6, it better run 12s. and the 28mpg is kinda off, b/c they have a six speed that puts 70 around 2000 rpm. if i had a 6th gear in my prelude, i could get something like 40mpg, instead of the close to 30 i get.
also...
if you spend 47k on a car that can run 12s, im sure there are reliable imports that can run twelves and have good mpg. my friend just turboed his civic si, and it runs low 13s untuned. and it still pushes out high 20mpg. and it cost, total, under 23k to build. so it can hang onto that zo6, and tuned, it may beat it. granted, it's turboed, but its at least on that idea. and if anything, what about the signal and spoon cars that rev waaaay high, and still run reliable on the street and low 13ish on teh streets? again for way less money.

the point here i guess, is that if i could afford a zo6, i would sure as fuck have one. but i cant. so i have a prelude that i want to build to at least rival a zo6. the same goes for any domestic owner. you have a car that you want your car to beat, or at least run with. you build whatever you got ( I or D) to get that status.
that is what we are here for.

and give us some credit, b/c we have 1/2 to 1/3 the displacement, and can run some respectable numbers and handle like all getout in perspective.

and i own a domestic too, so im not biased, i like both... my hot rod truck turns heads with the hot rod crowd, and my prelude turns heads either way b/c its yellow and loud.

and to keep talking, remember that back in the 60s, the muscle cars (mustangs, camaros, etc) were considered compact cars, which makes them sport compact cars, (this is from watching speedvision, im not just spewin shiet)
so we have our new generation sport compacts just like they did in the 60s... same shiet different era.

"also... on a built n/a domestic, you gots to run some high octane fuel there too my friend. dont knock me if you dont know me. and dont call me a dipshit if you cant read what i said."

Well you MUST be right. Since I own a domestic with HIGH COMPRESSION (11:1)...I guess I should be running 110 octane then, instead of my measly 'ol 93 octane. Your whole argument was that the FAST domestics have to use high octane gas, and the fast imports don't. Well, I've already proved you wrong on that ignorant statement...
Any seriously fast car, regardless of whether or not it's an import or domestic is going to need high octane gasoline, if not methanol or alcohol. It's simple, to make the car fast, you raise compression. To raise compression, you MUST add octane to prevent detonation.


"ONE more thing...
if this is so old, why did you decide to post here? why bother to fuel the fire? oh yeah, b/c you are misinformed about imports. "

Yep. That's me. "Mr. Misinformed about Imports", even though 1/2 my friends OWN fast imports. Sorry, maybe I'm just misinformed about SLOW imports. A few of my friends have Supras that are running faster then you could ever hope to go.

"The government didn't feel the need to regulate them. So, if you want to blame anyone for strict emissions standards, you can blame the government"
oh, what exactly does this mean, since it says nothing?
since you say the govt is not to blame, but we should blame them? the reason the power dropped was to make a car that could run on low octane, and not be a gas guzzler.

Maybe you should REREAD that statement. I said, you CAN'T BLAME THE BIG BLOCK CARS...I never said NOT TO BLAME THE GOVERNMENT.
In fact, it was the government that felt emissions weren't needed. It wasn't until the late 60s/early 70s that the government began to realize that we needed to do something.
So, like I said before, if you want to blame anyone for our strict emissions standards, you can blame the GOVERNMENT for not realizing we needed them SOONER.

When stricter emissions standards came about, power wasn't dropped because they wanted to run on low octane fuel. It was dropped because at the time, they didn't know HOW to make lotsa power and still pass emissions. They were forced to drop the power in order to meet emissions standards.

And don't come on here saying all you came on here to do was "show how much people hate imports" and how were so MISINFORMED.
You, me and everyone else on this board KNOW you didn't come on here to do that. You came on here to start a bitching war. A war thats already been done WAY too many times....

i specifically did not say racing fuel dumbass. i said high octane. like 93/4. i DID NOT SAY 110. FIND IT AND I'LL ADMIT IT. 93 IS HIGH OCTANE COMPARED TO 87, ISNT IT? THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE TONS OF FAST IMPORTS RUNNIN 93 OCTANE THAT ARE RUNNIN 12S. IM WASTING MY TIME ARGUING WITH YOU, B/C WE ARE APPARENTLY ON TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS. AND PLEASE DONT THINK YOU ARE SO MUCH MORE INFORMED B/C YOU HAVE FRIENDS WITH FAST IMPORTS. DO YOU OWN ONE? DID I SAY MINE WAS FAST AS A ZO6? NOPE. OK THEN.

any car running 12's and lower has to use 93 or better octane, if you dont it will cause pre ignition knock! And you have to remember even though your civic turbo si runs 13's and you say can hang with a z06, it still cant stop or take curves like a z06! uh, lick my weiner!

ZO6's dont run 13's either.

I guess I'm thinking on a different level of FAST.
If you're talking about 12's being fast, then I'm just thinking about FASTER cars.

I dont doubt an import can run 12s on 93 octane.
Wow. My friends Supra used to do it all the time.
So did my car....

I was referring to the FAST cars, and I guess I thought you were too.

how do you know anything about this civic?
it will at least handle as good as a zo6.
it isnt a straight line car.
it was designed to run the corners just like it does the straights.

and on stopping, if you know anything about aem's big brake kit, you know the civic will outstop a ferrari 360 modena.

your weiner has not been licked. sorry.

and i did note that high octane is necessary, 93 ish. can no one read?

did i mention an import that runs 12s on 87?
i dont think so. i never stated that ever.

however, this civic will run low 13s on street gas. just like a zo6 will. and handle like one, and outstop it.

and...
you know damn well that really fast imports are dedicated drag cars in the 8s and what not. so a 13 sec street car is pretty nice to have, no?

My hell this has turned into a flamewar once again.

BTW: The Z06 has GREAT road holding ability and unles you have modified your suspesion and other things, the Z06 will out handle your Civic any day of the week.

Just my .02 cents.

i like imports as much as anyone, but im voting z06 in a handling contest. with the civic, can u say terminal understeer?

these flame wars are homo, they really are

people, a car is fast, whether its import or domestic.....as for octane and gas and blah......CARS ALL PLAY BY THE SAME FRIKKIN RULES! This is because theres a little something that affects every aspect of our lives, including cars.......its called "physics", learn it

imports are NOT better than domestics, domestics are NOT better than imports, youre speaking WAAAAAAAAAY TOO GENERAL. Mazda vs. Chevy would make sense, Toyota vs. Ford........all of that stuff you can back up. This flame however, is so broad that there will always be an exception to sway your argument no matter what youre supporting.....

if youre gonna fight over this over and over, youre wasting everyones time, and that goes out to everyone, not just one or two people on this particular thread........come ON people!!! When i first came to this board, it wasnt all Imp vs. Dom and TFATF like all the others......and now im comfy and settled in its turning into just that

I was just saying that any suped up car has to run on higher octane! And you didnt say shit about a suped up suspension system, but im still sceptical about its handling ability vs. the z06, and i know damn well that no matter what that civic cant hang in top end torque with the z06! ha so uh, lick my weiner!

oh and no matter what, their will always be debating going on, if you dont like it dont read it. I think its kinda fun. As long as someone cant beat someone elses ass their will always be shit talking. but if we were all in a room face to face it would be a different story! not for me though because i always talk shit, and yes if gotten my ass whooped a couple of times for it too. lol!

because you cant pick up chicks in muscle cars anymore, we want the import boys not the muscle men.

"because you cant pick up chicks in muscle cars anymore, we want the import boys not the muscle men."

hmmmm i guess ya have a point there.......

and bluevette, sorry if im comin off like an ass.......it is fun to read sometimes, but damn thats all ive seen in the past few days...its kinda gay now. and nobodys ever gonna win, its just some people get reaaaaaaaaally way too serious about it and start cursing other people out when theyre point isnt any better than the other persons........

so, yeah, i think we all get a good laugh out of this crap

See, now I tend to disagree with the "chicks are after import boys"...
Near me, theres a LOT of FAST cars. The majority of them are newer F-Bodies, Cobras and a handfull of SERIOUSLY fast Supras (we're talking 9-11 sec. cars)

Then, there's the rest of the imports. Not the ones that are so into racing, but more the group that likes to throw body kits, huge wings on the car and then top it off with a CAI. Then they get some funky paint and stickers and call themselves FAST.

Girls tend to stay away from them.
Well, the hot ones do at least.
The majority of attention is given to the BIG TIME racers with FAST cars that make LOTS of $ street racing...

A civic out handle a Z06? ok, i must admit that i like imports more then domestics(even if the vette is still my overall favourite car of all time) but give crdit where credit is due!

There is no way possible for a FRONT wheel drive civic to out handle a rear wheel drive Z06 with TCS. I mean the second you tryed to match a Z06's speed into the corner you would encounter so much understeer it wouldn't be funny. You'd just end up in the wall or off the road.

No matter what anyone thinks of domestics they have to admit that the Z06 is a marvel of engineering. I mean it is by far one of the greatest handling cars being produced at the moment, bar nothing.

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
A civic out handle a Z06? ok, i must admit that i like imports more then domestics(even if the vette is still my overall favourite car of all time) but give crdit where credit is due!

There is no way possible for a FRONT wheel drive civic to out handle a rear wheel drive Z06 with TCS. I mean the second you tryed to match a Z06's speed into the corner you would encounter so much understeer it wouldn't be funny. You'd just end up in the wall or off the road.

No matter what anyone thinks of domestics they have to admit that the Z06 is a marvel of engineering. I mean it is by far one of the greatest handling cars being produced at the moment, bar nothing.

I've seen a lot of Autocross where a little POS Civic/CRX outhandle and even beat a lot of BMW's, Camaros, Corvettes on time slips.... they're tiny, they handle like go carts and they are very well known for handling... even though the power isn't there, but when it comes to a lot of turning (where power isnt a big factor), they are great. When it comes to straight lines then that's different.

www.exvitermini.com

vids of 200mph skylines that have a 9 sec quater and can get to 200 in 14


some are of them doing highway 200mph stuff - very freaky i'd hate to be passed by one

my67 chevy ss is a high compression daily driver. 570 hp 358 the ticket is high octane propane:smokin:

oh yea the octane is oround 112 cost about $.40 less than 87 pump gas and burns much cleaner.i added this to my 750 holly with hardware store parts for around fifty bucks

thats interesting, but this thread is over 4 years old. please check dates. man this is an incredibly dumb thread.

happy old year!

flylwsi is gay....oh sorry just had to get a post in before this is closed......