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bustedneon
06-20-2004, 04:34 PM
Ok to start of with I now am the proud owner of a 97 ex civic 2 dr, BUT auto tranny. I would like to "have some fun with it" but first would like to beef up the drivetrain, starting with the tranny, first is it a good idead to get the torque converter first? ok second I need some personal experience here... I want the trans to shift faster and firmer HOW do I do this ??? I know on my old neon there are shift kits and I could choose for race and street use in side the car with a switch (awsome) now I found a electronic shifter called the "PTS shiftronic" has any one used this, is this only for cars that allready have the sports shifter (were you controll shifts on an auto by bumping it up or down). will it work on my civic, what all will be required for me to do ? what does this kit come with? here is a web page for the part I am looking at

http://www.levelten.com/store/impor..._shiftronic.htm

OK so If this dosent work I guess I have to get the springs and valves changed in my tranny.... some info would be greatly apreciated, and please dont start arguing witch way is better just give me the info and your personal experience/ opinion. Thank you all...

Shaguar47
06-20-2004, 05:12 PM
An automatic could very well beat a manual but it's the guy driving the stick who would have to have a good race shifting technique. Really depends on how well you know how to drive your car.

CivicSiRacer
06-20-2004, 10:48 PM
Also an auto is quicker off the line, but will not rev as high as someone with a manual. Also an auto is more consistent with times :)

B1SiR6A
06-20-2004, 11:07 PM
Also an auto is quicker off the line, but will not rev as high as someone with a manual. Also an auto is more consistent with times :)

Auto is quicker off the line?...how so?...im not saying that your wrong but please explain...

NerveAgent
06-21-2004, 03:44 AM
Also an auto is quicker off the line, but will not rev as high as someone with a manual. Also an auto is more consistent with times :)

i dunno about that.. When i drive me friend's auto 98 Civic Ex compared to my 96 hx std..it feel much quicker in my car. Maybe it im just being bias..

CivicSiRacer
06-21-2004, 08:06 AM
Because you don't have to feather it you just step on the gas. It's only quicker off the line by like 1/2 second or so.

Lude_03
06-21-2004, 02:14 PM
there are some guys here in the city that work at the performance shop and they bracket race. the have these trannys that are made to red line every gear plus they got the better tourqe converters

emerge
06-21-2004, 02:51 PM
CivicSiRacer is right. Autos LEAVE the line faster, but manuals have better LAUNCHES. If that doesn't make sense I'll try to explain what I mean.

As for the author, I drive an automatic as well so I feel your pain. As said earlier, it's gonna depend on the driver of the other car.

bustedneon
06-21-2004, 03:26 PM
I would think the stick would get a better launch because they could "pop the clutch" I can only power-brake soo much LOL, especially with my stock torque conveter. but other than the torque converter is there any way too help my tranny??

eckoman_pdx
06-21-2004, 06:29 PM
I would think the stick would get a better launch because they could "pop the clutch" I can only power-brake soo much LOL, especially with my stock torque conveter. but other than the torque converter is there any way too help my tranny??

The site you saw that one...level 10...level 10 can build you a performance tranny...now how much will it cost, how long with it take...etc? I don't know, call them...but they can build up the tranny internals to yhandle power, improve the shift points etc.

Just call them up and ask, their number's on the site.

www.levelten.com

bustedneon
06-21-2004, 06:32 PM
www.levelTEN.com

bustedneon
06-21-2004, 06:37 PM
yeah I have called all I got was a message

MexSiR
06-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Mmm...assuming both cars are equal, as in two civic EXs, the stick will leave the line faster. Why?

One will start pulling from idle. Less power.

The other will start pulling from whatever RPMS fit best, which is more power.

jameskersten
06-21-2004, 07:41 PM
i would take an auto trans for braket racing anyway. very consistant.

bustedneon
06-22-2004, 03:57 PM
got a hold of them and the kit wont work on my car, only way is to get it to shift better is to let them re-build the whole thing DAMN. Any one know how hard a tranny swap is lol??? how much?

eckoman_pdx
06-23-2004, 02:45 AM
got a hold of them and the kit wont work on my car, only way is to get it to shift better is to let them re-build the whole thing DAMN. Any one know how hard a tranny swap is lol??? how much?

Well, I was pretty sure they'd have to rebuild the whole thing, but beisdes changin shift points, etc...they are also bulletproofing it...it will shift faster, at better points, and it will be able to handle power...of course, it cost a lot.

Tranny swap, are you refering to auto to manaul swap.

Kafziel
06-24-2004, 02:22 PM
I used to drive a '93 Integra w/ auto, and it had a "sport" button on it. When you floored the gas, it would go to 7,000 rpm before shifting. I don't know for sure, but I would have thought since Acura has something like that, you might be able to get it for the Civic. Guess not.
Personally, I don't miss the Integra at all. (It's probably been recycled into razor blades by now; I wrecked that bitch but good.) The sport shift was okay, and it could haul some balls, but I would take my manual transmission Civic over that thing any day. Only thing I miss about automatic was that it was easier to eat a hamburger while driving.

bustedneon
06-25-2004, 01:00 AM
Yes, I was refering to a auto to manual, I have heard that they arent worth the trouble. But if reasonable priced and If I could do it on a weekend... or two than I am game, of coarse I need to research it more but if it can be done I am willing to try...

eckoman_pdx
06-26-2004, 06:55 PM
Yes, I was refering to a auto to manual, I have heard that they arent worth the trouble. But if reasonable priced and If I could do it on a weekend... or two than I am game, of coarse I need to research it more but if it can be done I am willing to try...

It can be done, of course. How long it takes really depends on your skill and knowlegde I guess. Just do some research, call around, you have the right idea. :smile:

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