Are there any products besides "bolt-on?" I am really looking forward to putting some work into my car. I am not in a hurry to get my car running at high speeds, I wanna take my time but I am having a hard time finding products that are not "bolt-on." PLease shead some enlightenment on this question for me.

Start with a tune up!

Afterwards exhaust and intake...

rebuild and port the motor, thats always good

get the motor running in tip top shape straight pipe exhaust, intake, boost controller.. ect

is it a turbo or non-turbo?

Turbo.

Which brings me to another question. Can the 13b hold dual T88's?

Lol :d

Turbo.

Which brings me to another question. Can the 13b hold dual T88's?

i'm sure it can haven't seen one myself i've seen single turbo t88's but never twin but i'm sure it can be done with enough preping and what not :naughty:

TWIN T88's?!?!?!?!?

How much power do you intend to run?

Well if you didnt want bolt on stuff, there ya go...

man don't do twin, tiwn turbos suck, single is the way to go. why would you want twin T88's anyways? anyways upgrade the turbo, and put a front mount intercooler, maybe a throttle body mod...

You have to really let what he said sink in there. ;)

T88. The damn thing is bigger than the motor. I'm laughing. :D

man don't do twin, tiwn turbos suck, single is the way to go. why would you want twin T88's anyways? anyways upgrade the turbo, and put a front mount intercooler, maybe a throttle body mod...

Aftermarket twin turbo systems don't suck. It just depends on what the owner is looking for. The stock FD twin turbo system sucks, but you're stereotyping just a tad.

yea, I guess I didn't go about that the right way huh? well basically I think a twin T88 set up would suck, but I'm not turbo pro.

Sorry my dreams get the best of me, I am looking to run low to mid 10's I know I don't need dual T-88's to get me there but hey...I like traveling at high speeds. Anyway what is so bad about twin T-88's?(twin turbo's at all for that matter?) and what makes single turbo's better?

twin T88's are gonna take like 4 years to spool

exhaust/intake, then stop if you dont have any kind of fuel management, or you will blow the engine past 9 psi

if you dont have a boost gauge, buy one, and instal it. if ur doing the exhaust, 3" is what ppl use to get, with a racingbeat dp and a good aftermarket muffler (you dont want your car to sound crappy dont you?), dont run straight pipe if its not a racecar with no db limit. rotary are WAY louder than miatas 1.6 or 1.8

if you want serious hp (lets say +300), get an engine system management (haltech, wolf, microtech, etc. as long as someone know how to tune it in you area) then get injectors, fuel rail, fmic, rad, turbos/e-manifoil, port/polish the throttlebody and much more.

and btw, a rotary engine does not produce enough exhaust pressure to spool two T88s.

if you wanna get in the mid 10, you'll need somewhere near 550 hp, wich is big numbers on a 13bt.
you'll need porting. half bridge or very agressive and big streetport.

you can get 400hp out of a 13BT with just fuel mods and bolt ons... yet you say 550 is big numbers from it? come on man

EDIT: concidering a turbo being a bolt on... I call it bolt-on, not sure if its considered one

OK right now I live in Spokane WA (gay fuckin' city imo) However I have joined the Air force (leaving July 13th) and depending on my shred out I can be stationed somewhere in the mid to south east(yay!) Chances are it will be Whiteman Missouri anyone know of a company in that area that deals with aftermarket productions for the RX?

Yea I may not be in a hurry to get runnin' high HP in my car but four years is too long to wait so I have given up the twin T-88 idea. Anymore idea's that are non-"bolt-on" that I can do to the RX? I pretty much know absolutely nothing so all the info. has been a real help thnx.


EDIT: It's not that I don't want any bolt-on products to go on my car-actually my question was entirely misunderstood-but the information I got out of it has been much more helpful.

EDIT AGAIN: 20B that's the upgrade for the 13B right?

400 is doable with boltons and a EMS but its VERY VERY easier, it will cost less and you'll have a more reliable engine if you pay a small ~3500$ to get it ported and rebuilt engine with some 3mm apex seals.

the turbo will spool up faster, you'll make the same power at lower boost. you'll also get better response.

having a 550hp goal, i'd go half bridge.

and do you see 550hp T2 often ? they are kinda rare arround here.

EDIT AGAIN: 20B that's the upgrade for the 13B right?
no, its a complete different engine, 3 rotors

OK I am confused... I thought that turbo's added more HP to the car. But a 550HP T2? Also is 500 HP hard to reach in a standard car?

EDIT: Sorry if my questions are a lil' noobish(what can I say right?) What is bridging?

turbo wont add more hp, its the air the turbo is pushing in the car that will do the job

its all relative to the turbo size, the boost, the air flowing in the engine (ence why a ported engine will do more power at the same boost pressure) the air temperature, the backpressure from the exhaust, etc.

im not a t2 king, but if u'd like to chat about that, u can always add me on msn, deaze37@hotmail.com

a bridge port is a type of porting done to an engine, its the further you can go with a turbo engine.

93+ rotor housing are reinforced over previous years. Also "doweling" the motor would be a good idea. The extra dowels help to keep the motor together with all that horsepower. An engine like that will also not last as long as a lower horsepower engine.

just to make it clearer for anybody reading this post, at first i thought RotoryEnthusiast (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=186100) had an FC ence why i used the therm 13bt to name his engine (or the engine i was talking about)

13b-re > TT engines
13bt > FC turbo engines

Aftermarket twin turbo systems don't suck. It just depends on what the owner is looking for. The stock FD twin turbo system sucks, but you're stereotyping just a tad.


wow i cant bleieve you said that lol do you know anything at all about the fd sequential twin turbo set up, cuz i really dont think you doo, if yo ustill think this ill show you thousands and thousands of auto manufactures and car guys talking about how great the turbo set up is, for it to be stock they are 2 disgustingly good turbos, very streetable start to spool up almost instantaneously, the list goes on and on, the only reason why they can even remotly be bad is because they tend to get a little hot, but only when ur either at the track for hours, or climbing up 85 degree mts

dont talk about somehting you have no idea about

p.s. with my current setup, i should be making around 350rwhp at about 11psi on 91 pump gas
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p.s.s ^ those numbers are wiht my stock CRAPPY sequential setup ahahah if these turbos are crappy than i wanna see what are good, cuz these are prolly the best most responsive turbos ive ever had the pleasure of spooling

wow i cant bleieve you said that lol do you know anything at all about the fd sequential twin turbo set up, cuz i really dont think you doo, if yo ustill think this ill show you thousands and thousands of auto manufactures and car guys talking about how great the turbo set up is, for it to be stock they are 2 disgustingly good turbos, very streetable start to spool up almost instantaneously, the list goes on and on, the only reason why they can even remotly be bad is because they tend to get a little hot, but only when ur either at the track for hours, or climbing up 85 degree mts

dont talk about somehting you have no idea about

p.s. with my current setup, i should be making around 350rwhp at about 11psi on 91 pump gas
^
p.s.s ^ those numbers are wiht my stock CRAPPY sequential setup ahahah if these turbos are crappy than i wanna see what are good, cuz these are prolly the best most responsive turbos ive ever had the pleasure of spooling
When I said they sucked I was relating it to the fact that the system has known reliability issues. Issues as in premature failure, the secondary turbo not actuating properly, and various small issues that come up from having a overly complicated twin turbo setup. It's good to know that it works great for you, but I a lot of other people who own these cars tend to point out it's the weakest link of the car due to the lack to reliability. I've done a lot of research on these types of subjects. They may be good turbos and have good performance, but whats the point when they tend to have the reliability problems they do.

You should try to post some pics of your car sometime. I always like to see a nice FD. :)

soo true soo true, its cool im not one who trys to start internet beefs, i jsut misunderstood you and my rx7s actually at t&r racing in queens right now, but when it comes back ill mkae sure to post sum pics

what year is your FD? you may have posted it earlier but I didn't read half of this thread cuz its too long

cool well I'll look forward to it blue. What are they doing to it right now?

my rx7 was montego blue but now its black, i belive the exact color is brilliant black, its offered as an rx7 stock color

my rx7 is a 94 5 spd manual, it most likely was touring, but i bought it with sum various r1 and r2 components on it, but im pretty sure it didnt come out of the factory like that

and to answer your question flex, its top secret :) actually im just getting sum fine tuning seeing as how im finally going full standalone instead of piggyback and im getting my coilovers just right, seeing as how it was a little low when i first got them put on. other than that its just sum minor stuff.

the big thing im still havin trouble wiht is the body kit, thiers soo many gorgeous ones out that look spectacular on fds and its hard to choose through them all, and on top of that i still need new wheels and larger tires, im running the stockers with sum upgraded avs tires and its a nice setup but i need sum rims for my baby any suggestions would be great i think i have it narrowed down, but who knows

I like the 99+ front bumper the best since you are talking about body mods.

ya, that is pretty nice, but its very common in the rx7 community, and im not a big fan of the smiley face apperance it has

not sure I've ever even seen it... I don't look at FD's that often though so that would explain why

I like that front bumper. Besides that I think the car would only really need some small side skirts and maybe a mild looking rear bumper if you deemed it necessary. I like the diffusers on rear bumpers also.

yea diffusers look cool and they are great for aerodynamics

ya, but the cwest is soo oout played every1s got it. i think imma go mazdaspeed gtc front and sides, with a nice amemiya diffuser or sum type of rear bumper
i drift in this car, so a diffuser might not bee to wise seeing as how it could get thrashed

I think a diffuser would be fine drifting as long as you have upgraded suspension... if not the body roll will probably make it scrape like crazy

ya exactly, and if hit hard enough and depending on the material it could break or just splinter and become garbage,and it would seem to be a waste of the $800 bucks or so a cf diffuser costs

who said drifting was cheap? :)

lol this is true