Ferrari Enzo VS Mclaren F1 LM

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Mclaren F1 LM

power:652BHP
weight:956KG (roughly)
0-60:2.9
top speed: 225mph

Ferrari Enzo

power: 660bhp
weight: 1350kg (roughly)
0-60: 3.6
top speed:211mph

My data might not that accurate but its close as this post wasa bit rushed. Basically which one do you think is the beeter car?

The LM is a better car, but your 0-60 for the LM is way off.

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thx...why is my lm time off?..its deffinetly under 3 seconds, due to the weight loss, power gain and thicker stickied tyres!

Nope...LM 0-60 times are in the high 3 seconds, with CAR Magazine testing at 3.9 second 0-60 average.

I dont think a magazine have ever tested the mclaren F1 LM, never mind a brit mag.

That is complete BS, its common sense. the standard mclaren f1, did 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, the LM is lighter, more powerful with thicker stickier tyres, that means even one of those modifications would decreases the 0-60 time, but with all 3 changes now way would the car do a 0-60 in over 3 seconds, unless it was done on a wet track!

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm also not one of those fake McLaren fans that thinks he knows about the car. I love the F1; it's my favorite car. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.

Also, you may want to check out this thread where this exact topic came up before:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231420

If anyone at this forum knows about the McLaren F1, it's Peloton25. If you don't believe me, you may believe him.

Definitely the F1 LM. It's beautiful, it's more powerful, much lighter and comes with a manual gearbox. I also like the central driving position. It's also extremely rare and priceless.

Where did you get this 2.9 number from anyway?

i cant remember exactly where i got the 2.9 0-60 time but i do remember i got it from a number of sources. Plus it cant see how the 0-60 time would be higher than the standard f1...i realy cant, gear ratios shorter, bigger tyres, lighter etc

basically the car has never bin tested officaly so i doubt we will never know, weird how even though this post is in the nzo forum it is loosing 4 to 1. lol. Does any1 have high res images of the LM? And lastly do you think the LM will be in GT4 considering EA games looses the licenses to mclaren in november?

weird how even though this post is in the nzo forum it is loosing 4 to 1. lol

Just goes to show we're not biased :)


And lastly do you think the LM will be in GT4 considering EA games looses the licenses to mclaren in november?

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with licensing. There are several games out on different platforms that include cars supposedly "owned" exclusively by EA for their NFS series. I'm not sure how that works :shrug:

I saw an GT4 official car list somewhere, in it there's most Lamborghini's including Gallardo and Murcielago, and Bugatti EB110 and Veyron, and other awesome supercars. No mention of McLaren F1 though :(

be careful that, that was not the wish list going round the interent, there is no official car list, apart from people who have got gt4 prologue have put together a list of all the cars on that, and they are suggesting that they will be on the final GT4, so a FINA mclaren long tail is definet, but not sure bout the road cars. I hope there will be a Enzo, mclaren F1 LM, carrera GT and a Salees S7 in GT4, then comparisons of the cars may be more acquirable. (suggesting that GT4 is realistic though)

I may have been a little quick to choose the Mclaren F1 LM over the Ferrari as the enzo does look gorgeouse!

The LM kicks ass no way in hell would the enzo come close. The lm's hp is 668 the enzo is 650 but the lm is lighter and way better looking. The only thing Mclaren dosent have is M. Schumacher lol. Thats 1 thing they ll never have.

I dont think a magazine have ever tested the mclaren F1 LM, never mind a brit mag.

That is complete BS, its common sense. the standard mclaren f1, did 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, the LM is lighter, more powerful with thicker stickier tyres, that means even one of those modifications would decreases the 0-60 time, but with all 3 changes now way would the car do a 0-60 in over 3 seconds, unless it was done on a wet track!

Cant argue with that either cause the drag coeificent (sry if its spelld wrong) Dont real kick in until 100 + on most cars there for the lm is definetly faster 0-60 then 3.2. Does any1 kno when the drag Coe kicks in on the lm?

Does any 1 have the stats from Road & track on the lm. They did a full test a while back.

i thought the LM engine was rated at 691bhp....
is that the same engine as in the long tail?

i thought the LM engine was rated at 691bhp....
is that the same engine as in the long tail?

Nope the known hp for an Lm is 668 around there cause there not always on the dot.

yeah the engine for the GTR, which is what the LM is based on, was un restristricted and was pushing out around 668bhp like jcsaleen said. However the when the longtail entered racing air resrictors were introduced to keep speeds down (tit heads..why oh why?) and so the output was 600bhp, hence probably the body rework, so less drag meant speeds were not that different!...However i think there will be a car which i think is currently for sale, massivly under rated, swedish, 806bhp, 1160kg, 0-60 3.2 and it is the Koenigsegg CCR. This thing looks amazing and is lighter,more powerful, has bigger brakes and more downforce than the origianl CC-8S which could beat the Enzo so the enzo has no chance againsnt this Volvo (hahaha...volvo) tweaked hyper car!

Yea!! 4 volvo my rents have 1 hhmm I wonder if that could take on an enzo?? (maybe offroad in 12 inches of snow)

off topic..but that is one hot skyline you got in your sig!

off topic..but that is one hot skyline you got in your sig!

Lol You know how many people comment me on that!! Thanx man Ive had about 5 comments today saying how nice it is.

I love the Enzo, but I love the McLaren even more!
Sorry Enzo!
And the LM is definately faster than 3.9 sec. 0-60!
This is the first article I've seen that claim otherwise! I trust the hundreds of other sources saying it is THAT fast!

The 3.9s 0 to 60 for the LM was during the record 0-100-0 test of the LM. Theoretically it should do it in less than 3 seconds.

Keep in mind that the LM is lighter than the standard road car, with more horsepower. That means you have more power to break the tires loose, and less weight to provide grip.

The article which covers this 0-100-0 test mentions more than one run being made, with a few of the launches resulting in significant wheelspin, which is why the 0 to 60 time was 3.9s. It's probably NOT an easy car to do a 0 to 60 launch in, and since it's based off a '95 GTR, 0 to 60 times are kinda meaningless. Cornering ability at speed and midrange acceleration are more important than acceleration from a stop when you're talking about a GT racer.

The 3.9s 0 to 60 for the LM was during the record 0-100-0 test of the LM. Theoretically it should do it in less than 3 seconds.

Keep in mind that the LM is lighter than the standard road car, with more horsepower. That means you have more power to break the tires loose, and less weight to provide grip.

The article which covers this 0-100-0 test mentions more than one run being made, with a few of the launches resulting in significant wheelspin, which is why the 0 to 60 time was 3.9s. It's probably NOT an easy car to do a 0 to 60 launch in, and since it's based off a '95 GTR, 0 to 60 times are kinda meaningless. Cornering ability at speed and midrange acceleration are more important than acceleration from a stop when you're talking about a GT racer.

Nice post! I never thought about the grip. I wonder if theycould run a mclaren 0-60 test on a dyno??

doesn't the F1 have some kinda 'fan' system that sucks it to the road?

doesn't the F1 have some kinda 'fan' system that sucks it to the road?

No thats the ferrari F50 :naughty:

The recorded 0-60 time for the McLaren that seems to be adopted by most sites or mags or whatever, is about 3.1 seconds. There's no way an Enzo could touch that. That makes the McLaren ideal in this situation for a straightaway course. As amanichen revealed, the McLaren can handle better on corners, making it better in even a slalom.

Another point is obviously the weight-ratio. The McLaren is by far one of the lightest cars I've seen with such power in the car. This give the 600 bhp (the low) much more of an advantage on the <1000 kg, than the supposed 660 bhp for the 1350 kg Enzo.

Don't get me wrong, they are both beautiful cars, with nice power behind them, but the LM would be the sure winner.

doesn't the F1 have some kinda 'fan' system that sucks it to the road?Road versions do, but the LM and the race versions do not.

Road versions do, but the LM and the race versions do not.

Wow I didnt know that. I thought only the f50 and the enzo had that.

Road versions do, but the LM and the race versions do not.

Why wouldn't they have it on the race versions? Wouldn't it help with performance?

Why wouldn't they have it on the race versions? Wouldn't it help with performance?That's just the thing, it does help with downforce without adding too much drag. A couple decades ago, during the CanAm racing series, Gordon Murray designed a car that had fan-assisted downforce. The car ended up being almost too good for the racing series and it was banned. I'd imagine that modern racing series would also have outlawed such a thing on the F1 GTRs.

That sucks. :nono:

banned.....
like ground effect in F1.
i mean, guys were passing out on some of the corners....!

in any case.
let's look at this with a slightly different perspective.
the mclaren is how old?
look at what the other car manufacturers were making then and then you get to see how much of an achievement it was.
i mean, it's taken all this time for the likes of ferrari, porsche and mercedes benz (with a little help) to make something that is comparable.

The Martin Brundle's Super Cars DVD has some great footage of both of these cars. Personally I'd go for the Enzo but it would be awefully hard to pass up on the F1. Decisions, decisions.

You can check out a real short clip (too short) at www.imagineracingproductions.com .
I won't tell you which one he picked just in case you haven't seen it yet.

The Martin Brundle's Super Cars DVD has some great footage of both of these cars. Personally I'd go for the Enzo but it would be awefully hard to pass up on the F1. Decisions, decisions.

You can check out a real short clip (too short) at www.imagineracingproductions.com (http://www.imagineracingproductions.com) .
I won't tell you which one he picked just in case you haven't seen it yet.

But the question is would you pick an Lm over an enzo :grinno:??...

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No... in that case I'd have to go with the LM.

How many times has those 2 been compared?

How many times has those 2 been compared?

1st time for these 2. every 1 compares the f1 to the enzo not the Lm :naughty:.

in terms of why fan assisted aerodynamics are not on the LM or the GTR it is down to the rules. If i am not mistaken "active aerodynamics" is prohibited from motor sport. So like the mclaren had a rear wing that tilts up that is also not aloud. No element of the car must move to aid aerodynamics. I think this is relavant to nearly every motor sport!

amazing that even in the ferrari forum, more people wopuld go for the LM than the enzo!

Stop Voting!

Dead Thread Do Not Vote!

I saw the Mclaren in a screen shot for GT4

Yes the GTR longtail. (fina)

i think the maclaren is nicer looking!!!!!

McLaren F1 LM is better, but by all means dont think im putting down the beautiful Enzo Ferrari.

Some one voted lol. That response is 3 months old..... :nono:

I love Ferraris, Enzos in particular. The McLaren F1 comes next but i don't really like the LM.

ferrari wins..ahahhahahaahahaha

The LM is a better car, but your 0-60 for the LM is way off.

Also, when you are posting an image, make sure that you put the "/" in the second [/img], or else it won't appear correctly on the forum. You might want to fix that in your post.
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true 0-60 in 3.2 for the f1lm and 0-60 in 3.3 for the enzo

But hands down off the line to the f1

OMFG ur say ur a little off? ur stats are BS! their way 2.9secs Mclaren F1 where the hell did u get that from? try 3.2-3.4seconds 0-60 enzo 3.6seconds were u high? try 3.2-3.3 seconds ok top speed for the Mclaren was right pretty much but guess what the enzo 211mph? are u serious the enzo set a new record 230mph to be exact 227mph on a longer track also u forgot to mension the fact the enzo has the record on the nurburing track it has much better braking handling cornering then the mclaren they have pretty much the same accelaration the enzo is pretty much the best handling super car out thier until probably the Buggati Veyron trys to beat it's record which won't be for while till than enzo is best handlin super car out thier even the koenigsegg ccx cant beat it because lets jsut say it dose not have the greatest handling in the world the only car that comes close is the Carrera GT which just isn't quick enough tho to beat the enzo.

heres the thing the Mclaren f1 LM can only beat the enzo in a drag race which is by 0.01 secs the enzos front end was right beside its door the enzo is the best hadnlin super car out thier its much cheaper quicker shifting as well it hodls the title for the most responsive and quick shifts in the world overall in a track race or FIA race the enzo smokes the mclaren F1 LM

reply ot post #5 the normal mclaren was 0-60 in like 3.5secs to 3.6 seconds 2.9 seconds are u on somthign not even close all shows that have tested the mclaren liek top gear fifth gear the only productionc are ever to get under 3 secs of 0-60mph was the Buggati Veyron the new mclaren f1 lm was only 3.2secs research on thsi stuff dont make it up and whoever says its under 3secs is makin it up jsut becasue they like that care too much and cant stand when people correct them

XaleTorren you need to calm down.
I vote McLaren. It's more exclusive, and also lighter. Obviously it doesn't have the technology of an Enzo to shift gears quickly, or help it get through corners quicker, seeing as how it is an old car.. For what it was back in the mid 90s, it is just unmatched.
And it looks so much better anyway.

Mclaren f1 LM can only beat the enzo in a drag race which is by 0.01 secs ...
it's actually .1 sec genius
big difference

LM 0-60 times are in the high 3 seconds, with CAR Magazine testing at 3.9 second 0-60 average.

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