Are they coming out with a completely revamped Civic in 2005? If so, what are the changes? Would it be worth it to hold off to get a 2005 rather than a 2004 Civic? Thanks.

I think its going to be the same thing. There was a face lift already for 2004 so its very unlikely that that design will only last 1 year.

yeah, i don't think it's gonna be much different.

its going to be the same just looks diferent.. there are actually shooting the commercial for it in vegas and are looking for peeps with modded civic in vegas to be in the back ground of the commercial... thats why i was rushing to get my car done

As the years go by Civics seem to get heavier and slower so don't expect much.

As the years go by Civics seem to get heavier and slower so don't expect much.

The sad part is that it seems all cars are getting heavier with each passing year/generation, and also bigger. All the electronics and safety devices are the major culprits. It'd be nice to see the Civic for once become a bit smaller/lighter for the next generation, with increased performance.
I wish Honda would release a new version of the CRX, keep the weight below 2300 lbs, give it about 200-220hp, and sell it for less than $20k. They wouldn't be able to make them fast enough to keep up with demand.

rumour has it at work (i am a tech at honda) that they are unvailing a 270hp hybrid accord, that would be sick. could outrun anything on the road and still keep going after the other car runs out of gas. dont know how true this is but its coming from pretty reliable sources at work.

that accord sounds bad ass.

they need to make an all whell drive turbo civic. a competitor for the wrx and the evo. honda could make a pretty sick car with the engines they got

rally civic not a bad idea

Xproductionz - go for it !!!

I know i would be in the line for the rally civic.

they should definately make a v6 civic with a supercharger and awd or rw, but we all know these things will never ever happen

they should definately make a v6 civic with a supercharger and awd or rw, but we all know these things will never ever happen
you said it best, it will never happen. want a fast v6? buy a 2004 v6 accord coupe. fucking fast.

I can see it now, "Hondas brand new line up of v12 civics, all under 18g's" wait no i cant see it.

I can see it now, "Hondas brand new line up of v12 civics, all under 18g's" wait no i cant see it.

Not enough power in the V12; you'd be lucky to crack low 14's. What's needed is the the quadruple-turbo W16 from the Bugatti Veyron. Then you might have something.

I'll drink to that.

Honda can do anything. Look at what they did at the indy 500 hundred 8 of the 9 top qualifiers where hondas. its like hmmmm i guess we will just take over indy car racing... and just like that honda does it. They know what they are doing. If they wanted to make a N/A 270 hp all wheel drive civic that weighed under 3000 lbs that could seat 4 people... they wouldn't have a problem. Oh yeah. and they (honda) won the indy 500 i believe but i am not sure.

Honda can do anything.If they wanted to make a N/A 270 hp all wheel drive civic that weighed under 3000 lbs that could seat 4 people... they wouldn't have a problem. Oh yeah.

Of course they could do it. The problem is it would run at least $30-35k, and who is going to pay that much for a Civic? :screwy:
I like Civics, but i'd never drop that much coin to get one. For that money i'll take a 350z or a G35 coupe.

i was talking with the guys at my local shop and they were like... u got the money.. we'll make your car AWD... haha... mAYBE I SHOULD INVEST IN IT

Of course they could do it. The problem is it would run at least $30-35k, and who is going to pay that much for a Civic? :screwy:
I like Civics, but i'd never drop that much coin to get one. For that money i'll take a 350z or a G35 coupe.

nah probably not actually, it would probably be about 20-25 range just like all the other all wheel drive cars. Why would honda make a car that is that much more expensive than the rest of the competition? You can get a 350z for 26,000 OTD price i am sure because they are selling them with a 26,000 sticker price where i live. Also, those cars are not all wheel drive. :screwy:

V6 civic? Heavier... maybe a little more power... worst handling... hmm. I don't want to see it.

If Mitsu can make a GSX, I think Honda can handle an all wheel drive civic

There are already awd (maybe 4wd?) Civics from back in the day (the 80's), so I'm sure they could do it if they wanted to. Of course they'd have to work on it a little more if they wanted to make a lot more power and not have the drivetrain blow out.

they need to just stop making the civic. they started with a good idea in 1988, revamped it and made it a little smoother in 1992, peaked in '95, made a gallant attempt at gaining back some respect in 99-00...then comes 2001..... the year that honda died and was reborn as an american car company with overly large and shitty underpowered cars.

they need to just stop making the civic. they started with a good idea in 1988, revamped it and made it a little smoother in 1992, peaked in '95, made a gallant attempt at gaining back some respect in 99-00...then comes 2001..... the year that honda died and was reborn as an american car company with overly large and shitty underpowered cars.

You're forgetting the Civic wasn't built or designed with the intent of racing or having lots of power out of the box. It was made to be a small, well designed/enigneered car that also is very economical to own and operate, as well as being reliable. It's that simple. That is what your average Civic buyer is looking for. If you want to step up to higher performance, you have to spend more money to get an Accord or S2K, or move up to an Acura. Cars are positioned within the lineup to be purchased by a certain demographic (ideally). That being said, an ideal Honda customer would buy a succession of cars like this:
Civic - entry level compact/teen to mid-20's
Accord - family sedan/late 20's into 30's or 40's (start making money in career)
S2K - sports car/40's or 50's (kids are moved out, want to relive youth)
Acura TL or RL - sports/luxury sedan/50's or 60's

This is what most car companies shoot for. They try to keep people within the family by providing a vehicle for each phase of life, so to speak. If you think Honda's are underpowered and not worth it, then get something else. If Honda was worried about their cars being underpowered compared to their competitors, then they would do something about it. But it's obviously not affecting their sales, as they are way ahead of everyone else from Japan (aside from Toyota).

You mean Toyota is actually selling more then Honda? ... How? There actually selling Camrys? The only thing I've ever really like from Toyota was the Supra, and they stopped making that. The Celica isn't to bad though.

honda is getting their ass beat by other companies. it is hurting their sales. they are getting outsold by toyota and if i read correctly, even GM

rumour has it at work (i am a tech at honda) that they are unvailing a 270hp hybrid accord, that would be sick. could outrun anything on the road and still keep going after the other car runs out of gas. dont know how true this is but its coming from pretty reliable sources at work.

no rumour its true later this year is the 2005 honda accord v6 hybrid.
here is the website for the pic. http://www.hondacars.com/info/prototypes/accord_hybrid.asp?bhcp=1