anyone here got one? i'm sure people do, and i was just reading the latest maxim and noticed that to my amazement, they test drove some supercars, including a lamborghini gallardo and a new ferrari (i forgot the model), and in the 1/4 both of them ran high 12's. they were being driven by a professional racer. i guess this strikes me odd for obvious reasons. am i missing something, or do people really pay like 200K for cars that only as fast as people's hondas?

yea I got one but its not running an not my honda
If 1/4 times is all you look at i'm very sorry for you.
there is gearing in play if you wanted a 1/4 beast outta a lambo you could make one shorten the gears lighten it up etc etc.
take a 11 sec honda vs a stock Enzo to a real track i'm going to put all my chips on the enzo for turns braking looks top speed 100-150 mph time.
1/4 dont mean shit and if you really want just that and got tons of cash go with a Boosted Z06 or viper.

Yeah what Ace said.
I know a moderator on my local board and he has a boosted Firebird running 11's. It's a really cool car, nice and clean, but I'd take a slower, sexy Ferrari over it any day. Nothing juices panties quicker than the sound of an Italian V12 revving to 9,000 rpms

Nothing juices panties quicker than the sound of an Italian V12 revving to 9,000 rpms

that is one of the most true lines I ever heard never driven a Ferrari but after whipping in my unlces AM I can say v12s get panties wet

ok ace ur not gonna need to feel sorry for me, as i obviously didn't know that wasn't a good gauge to relate the cars. don't worry i'll just assume you were drunk

Nothing juices panties quicker than the sound of an Italian V12 revving to 9,000 rpms

Wise words from a wise man.

ok ace ur not gonna need to feel sorry for me, as i obviously didn't know that wasn't a good gauge to relate the cars. don't worry i'll just assume you were drunk
assume nothing wankling. Really just takes the slightest chunk of I.Q *you proved you lack* think if you could get a better car for 30K then why would lambo or Ferrari even be on the map.
fucktard..........

am i missing something, or do people really pay like 200K for cars that only as fast as people's hondas?

yes people pay 200k for a ferrari. y u ask.........................
because they can. if i could afford it id take a ferrari over a civic with the quickness. to me cars like that are a status symbol and like the rest of you said, panty droppers. put a guy in a ferrari and a guy in a 12 sec civic whos gonna get the girls attention?

When it comes to supercars it not about the numbers. Its about the prestige. Sure they can pull some impressive numbers but those cars are meant to impress, not compete.

<-------- Agrees w/ MrCas

try to compare you civics to super cars at the 100-150 dash 0-100-0 timing
yes they have mark up for pimp points but they will kick your ass on a real road track

Sure somthing like a lotus super 7 kit would beat some but you give up the pimp ness. As I said before if all you judge cars by is 1/4 buy a z28 and you got a lot to learn

ace you're an idiot. is picking fights with people in forums why you have so many goddamn posts? i asked a question. it's funny that in this board everyone has such a chip on their shoulders. in powerlifting boards and other types of boards no one feels this need to pick fights with people online. i think they realize the obvious - it's pretty fuking gay to argue with people online. i see in ur profile that you like fighting, i'll assume that means you like to get drunk and argue with people online, because trust me i know people who really like to fight, and they wouldn't waste their time trying to start with people online. my only guess is that there's a lot of younger kids on these boards.

well your free to leave then child. you ask question dont get anwser you want lash out pretty sad to me.
I only argue with people when the say somthing argumently*i invented a word yayyy* worthwhile.
Most people don't like me cause I have an attitude *one well earned at that* So i wind up in agurments alot. Do I care? no not really

wtf??? the answer i want? i asked a question that i had no idea over, and had no answer in mind i was hoping for. see richochet and mrcas had helpful things to say. do you just chime in with your useless two cents on like every thread in here? do
you have a life? why do you think you 'earned' the right to have an attitude and argue online? most people just come here for cars, not socializing. i would have a guessed a 'drunken 4g pimp' like yourself would have something to do, like 'get drunk and pick a fight' maybe. i bet you're just some skinny little punk who would get the shit beaten out of him if he went around with that attitude in real life. i can tell you right now that if you gave me shit like that in real life i would have wiped you all over the place

and i'm not a kid i'm 21

hehe this forum cracks me up. But i have to say that right now (im 19) i would prefer a tuner car over a really expensive supercar. I think that tuning and customizing is a wonderful thing. A person who modifies a car to look the way that best suits his/or her personallity has more to show than someone who walked into a dealership and laid down more money than some will ever earn in their lives. I mean how much can you do to a ferarri? If i had one i wouldnt even open the hood. I'd just admire it through the glass. I love porsches and ferarri's but im not ready for em.
and the thing about the 12 second car???Did you really think the diablo's and the enzo's are drag cars?

Yeah i mean honestly think about this for a second-the ferrari's are overall performance cars. In order to get a honda into 12's youd pretty much have to focus on just the drag aspect with suspension and tuning. These cars accomplish 12 second timeslips with increadible handling and braking. You build a 12 second honda and take it onto a roadcourse...good luck buddy

Ace your apathy towards other people is inspiring

really, i think its quite gay if you ask me, but my opinion wasn't asked. That's one of the thing's i hate about this board. You ask a newb question then you get yelled at especially if your a newb. But if your someone who's been on for a while with like 300+ post it's ok. It's complete bull.... There's only a few people who actually give good input and one of them is Maxspeedhonda, i remember back in the day when i would just spout out stupid questions to him, he'd never get mad or tell me to search he'd just answer my questions the best he could. We need more people like that in these forums. That's my daily rant for today

what is with all these rich people who have $250k cars and dont make them faster. and don't tell me that the factory already made them fast enough. im sure you could put a couple of turbos on an enzo. and if you could afford an enzo you can afford to put another $100k in the engine. I jsut want to see people put as much time and money into their super cars as they do into their shitty hondas.

xixgenuine i totally agree with you. i post here, @ accordingly done, powerlifting forums, and saltwater forums (i have a large moray), and it's unbelievable the difference between those boards and this one. everyone here has something to prove. i started this thread to understand the differences of why people would spend so much more, and everyone who actually knows has to talk so condescendingly. it's pathetic, it's like people feel better about themselves cuz they're dix on forums that are for exchanging info, nothing more. people who post things that are not informative should be banned

reed - i get the impression that few people who purchase fast cars use them the way they were designed for. i mean i know i don't see enzos, or even many ferraris for that matter on the road, but don't you hate how everytime you see an sl500, porsches, and stuff like that, the owners always drive them like a camry? once in a while i'll see like an m5 whip by me or something, but of all the boxsters i've seen on the road i've never seen one going fast. hahaha - actually half the time i see boxsters they're being driven by women. but i guess what im' saying is that all too often i see better porsches being driven by old men in the slow lane, same goes for sl's, and i doubt that they save their cars for the track either. it's such a status thing. they should just hook up those less fortunate than them with addictions to speed

Talk about bickering over misunderstandings, shit. Maybe a new forum called Automotive DAY CARE should be started... just my thoughts :twak:

I know, I hate these jackasses that come onto this board and can't follow the AF guidelines, just cuz some people got like 3k posts, they go like "I got the freedom of speech, lalala...., so I got the right to do whatever I want, just cuz I contribute, and all newcomers are waaay under me cuz I can suck up to mods all I want"

For people who have never read the guidelines cuz they clicked through everything when registering cuz they never give it a second thought, here it is:
GUIDELINES (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html)

Remember, there are no stupid questions, there is a big difference between stupidity and ignorance. But of course, once in a while you get stupid people.

has anyone here ever driven a ferarri? I have and trust me the car needs nothing (at least engine wise). I drove a beautiful 575m with f1 tranny. granted only for about 5 minutes around the block. The car is worth every penny. Dont hate me :)

btw if anyone wants a 12 sec car just swap in a b18c or an h22a into a crx and with a few bolt on's you'll be running high 12's

what is with all these rich people who have $250k cars and dont make them faster. and don't tell me that the factory already made them fast enough. im sure you could put a couple of turbos on an enzo. and if you could afford an enzo you can afford to put another $100k in the engine. I jsut want to see people put as much time and money into their super cars as they do into their shitty hondas.

Common man you gotta be kidding.

If you have an Enzo you dont NEED to be faster, the car is UN-controlable for an amateur normal driver. Proffesional Top Gear drivers are afraid to push it to the limits. Its like having a Modena with red underglow, plain stupid.

Believe me, drive a fast car and youll see why you dont have to mod them. Ive driven a 13sec porsche, and damn! I would leave it stock.

there is no such thing as not needing to be faster. everything needs to be faster. the only thing that makes cars too hard to drive is torque steer and i doubt that a machine like an enzo has much of that.

I've driven fast cars, my friend has a dodge shadow that runs mid 12s and it is kinda hard to drive jsut because he has no lsd and his slicks hook up pretty good, well the right front hooks up. anyhow that still needs to be faster.

yes people do pay 200k for cars that are just as fast as honda, but like everyone else said, its all done for the women. ok you got yoru honda and a lambo sitting right next to you, who is the girl gonna go for, whos gonna get laid that night. the lambo.
and it brings up yoru status to be seen in an expensive car, even if its ugly

Not that it matters, but I feel sorry for someone who has to rely on a car to get women. Not to mention that the kind of women you'd get because of having a supercar isn't exactly my idea of a good catch...sorry that my post is rather pointless

Not that it matters, but I feel sorry for someone who has to rely on a car to get women. Not to mention that the kind of women you'd get because of having a supercar isn't exactly my idea of a good catch...sorry that my post is rather pointless

its not! :iagree:

ya civic killer that is not pointless. i agree. if you're that insecure that you buy a car (not even lambos, but even like boxsters or lower sportscars) that is fast and meant for speed, but you get it to get props from people and try to get woman 1) i guarantee you're a loser, and 2)you'll only get respect from people that do'nt know you, as people who do know will think ur gay. and women who go with you if you have a ferrari are only interested in ur money, and if that's the case then you don't nee dthe ferrari, just the money.

i hate when i see people in cars that are fast and they just don't care how fast their cars go. you see that all too often. even tuner cars. i know not everyone that has a dropped honda that i rev at will race me, but i still see hooked up imports going slow lane at like high sixties (unless maybe they had probs? that would be a weird coincidence). actually that bothers me even more. if a guy gets a ferrari, although i don't like the arguement, it is better founded than people who put on exhausts for speed, better suspension for handling, and brakes for better stopping, yet drive them like camrys

1 word; tickets. Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean you have to speed like crazy. And the fact that (i don't know how it is where everyone else lives) but where i live cops pull over anything that "looks fast" including mostly just imports. People with ferrari's and other stock fast cars don't speed on roads cause they know the cops are watching them and look for a reason to give a ticket. Just cause they have sports car doesn't mean they have to drive like a jackass on the public streets. Not everyone races on the streets, some actually do the "smart" thing and keep it for the track. I for one flip off and yell obsenities at any ricer who revs up on me at lights; especially when it's some jackass kid with a riced out POS that clearly their mommy and daddy bought them. But not everyone has cops riding their ass following them or busy ass public roads so to each their own.

reed - it's such a status thing. they should just hook up those less fortunate than them with addictions to speed

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. they should just hand over their hard earned money to you because..................
if you have enough money to buy i ferrari i think you have busted your ass hard enough to have your right to one. i know if i worked my ass off to get a job that gets me that kinda money im buying one and ill drive it slow as i want. why you ask..........................

BECAUSE I CAN!

i hate when i see people in cars that are fast and they just don't care how fast their cars go. you see that all too often. even tuner cars. i know not everyone that has a dropped honda that i rev at will race me, but i still see hooked up imports going slow lane at like high sixties (unless maybe they had probs? that would be a weird coincidence). actually that bothers me even more. if a guy gets a ferrari, although i don't like the arguement, it is better founded than people who put on exhausts for speed, better suspension for handling, and brakes for better stopping, yet drive them like camrys

I agree with civic spoon. I never run my car fast around. In fact I almost never speed, unless it is over a mountain pass where I know there will be no cops. Most people don't buy fast cars so they can speed on the freeway. That would just be lame. I could have speeded in my blazer if I wanted to. Most people buy fast cars because A. they are fun to drive. B. they look good. C. they have the power for when they want it (like the track, or on windy mountain roads..etc.) I too get pissed off when some riced out car revs at me at a light. When I am just driving to get somewhere I don't want to be harrassed by every highschooler in sports car who thinks he is cool because he can race. I think racing should be reserved for the right times, and places. But on a crowed street it is just ignorance, and dangerous. Don't get me wrong there are times where it is fun, but again there is a time and place for it.

Which is worse though, an 87 camry toppin out at 90 in the fast lane, or a ferrari doing 70 (with plenty more ooomph available) in the crusin lane? Why speed when we all know the cars fast?? ha ha jk but really just becuase you can go around loppin peoples heads off with a axe doesnt mean you do-its not legal. Same for speeding. You can, but you dont!

i do

i hate when i see people in cars that are fast and they just don't care how fast their cars go. you see that all too often. even tuner cars. i know not everyone that has a dropped honda that i rev at will race me, but i still see hooked up imports going slow lane at like high sixties (unless maybe they had probs? that would be a weird coincidence). actually that bothers me even more. if a guy gets a ferrari, although i don't like the arguement, it is better founded than people who put on exhausts for speed, better suspension for handling, and brakes for better stopping, yet drive them like camrys


I think its one of the coolest thing ever to drive a fast car realllll slow. (Espically my GN in 1st gear going about 30 MPH 4700RPM and the Turbo is just screaming away :evillol:) Just because you have power does not mean that you have to use it 100% of the time

in the words of the ghetto boyz "real gangsta ass (black people) dont flex much, cause real gangsta ass (black people) know they got em"

old school, i know-but itson office space so what an i say?

actually it's real gangsta ass niggas don't flex NUTS, cuz real ass gangsta niggas know they got em. either way though i get what you're saying. this is weird i guess i was under the impression that most people modded their cars because they always want to be going faster, not just to have it there for occasional use only. everyone i know actually pushes their cars on a regular basis, but i guess it's different in different areas. that being said, how in the hell do you justify spending so much money, time researching, and time installing parts that are just there for random use? am i really the only one that regularly uses my car the way it's built?

There's a time and place for everything...especaially when it comes to aggressive driving. As much as we all hate them, there are laws on the road for a reason. Sure, I wish I could drive as fast as a wanted when I wanted, but I can't...why can't I? because there are more than just me using the road...If it were just me, then I would drive like a bat outta hell...if I got in an accident, it's my fault and I'm the only one going to be hurt or dead...

How are you going to feel the day you're speeding around, cause an accident and find that everyone in the other car died...what about if you find out that all the occupents but the driver were children? Save the aggressive driving for the track where it belongs... Keep it safe out there for the rest of us. Later.

:werd: I agree.

that being said, how in the hell do you justify spending so much money, time researching, and time installing parts that are just there for random use? am i really the only one that regularly uses my car the way it's built?

Just building it is justification enough for me. I don't care if I ever use it. I just want to bring my car to the dyno once, to the track once, then turn the boost down and drive like a sane person. The best part about having a car that you modify is putting all the work into it and getting out something better, something different, unique, etc. I personally enjoy the wrench turning, building motors and transmissions and rear ends and such. I think at this point I've taken out just about every single nut and bolt possible on my car at some point. I think there are still a few hiding on some body panels I havent touched, but other than that, everything has been done with my two hands. That is all the justification I need.

you have to remember there are still kids who take their ars to a shop to have all their shit done. i dont know why. but you can usually spot them when you ask what engine mods they have and they say "cat back exhaust and cold air intake" and then you tell them that niether of those are engine mods. but anyhow for alot of very dumb people its all about what is bolted on to their shitty front drive naturally aspirated four cylinder grocery getting wannabe race car. they just dont care about the work involved.

there's so much hatred on these boards. i personally do lots of work myself on my car, the vast majority of work done was by me. some people aren't into doing it themselves. so what? why do you guys care? it's like everyone here just has to put people down. i mean you guys talk shit about 'ricers' and 'high school punks' and people whose parents give them money all the time. i am none of the above, but i mean come on. stop hating on people. that being said i think a mod should shut this down as it's way off topic and is just begging to become a flame war

I agree with you about the abundance of hostility on these boards. I guess the typical enthusiast just has more respect for someone who actually knows how to change the oil on their own car, as opposed to someone who takes their car to a shop to get everything done. As far as the "your parents bought you a $30,000 car and gave you money for all sorts of mods so you must be gay" mentality, it just boils down to jealousy; we resent what we can't have. If my parents offered to buy me an expensive car, I certainly wouldn't refuse for the sake of respect from online automotive enthusiasts.

"As far as the "your parents bought you a $30,000 car and gave you money for all sorts of mods so you must be gay" mentality, it just boils down to jealousy; we resent what we can't have. If my parents offered to buy me an expensive car, I certainly wouldn't refuse for the sake of respect from online automotive enthusiasts."

Like something out of a book. Well said
This hostility is BS...lol i gotta watch what threads i decide to reply to..i appologize if i have bothered anybody

It takes alot of maturity to drive a fast car like a camry. I know i dont have it, every fast car I have driven I have abused the laws of physics in and I cant seem to control myself. I am the kind of person that would & could build my own car, thats why I went to Vo-Tech for Auto Tech (didnt graduate though) (did not build my integra cause I didnt really have the time or patience) I have a neverending need for acceleration. (thinking about skydiving, waybe it will calm me down) That is the only reason why I have not bought a bike yet. I have never driven a car that has scared me and when I was 14 me and my father built a street legal high 9 second GN that was badass...and that didnt scare me when I was 14. Not to get off subject but still to this day I feel the baddest car made in the 80's was the GN, t-type and the most overlooked because alot of people doesnt know it exists...the GNX which was a 3500+ lb BUICK that could turn low low 13's @ 104-105 on street tires, (which has been personally verified) and looked like darth vader would be driving it.

I've been hearing about GN's a lot lately...might have to check it out.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM GN.

(sorry I had to do it!!) Any way, I saw my first honda civic that ran a 12 sec pass, 12.87@101 MPH. imressive!

Got a buddy with a 4th gen 4-door civic running a stock ls/vtec on a t3/4 custom setup just ran 12.97 at LACR about a month or two ago.I would love to get it on tape, but he broke his arm dirtbiking to celebrate his pass.To bad he's better at driving his car then the dirtbike huh?won't be out of the cast for 5 months...........long time to wait.

Not to get off subject but still to this day I feel the baddest car made in the 80's was the GN, t-type and the most overlooked because alot of people doesnt know it exists...the GNX which was a 3500+ lb BUICK that could turn low low 13's @ 104-105 on street tires, (which has been personally verified) and looked like darth vader would be driving it.

I agree, Buick has made some bad stuff that was overlooked because.. well it was a Buick. I have a Regal that runs mid 13's with just a few changes to the motor, and its NA V6 automatic.

take a 11 sec honda vs a stock Enzo to a real track i'm going to put all my chips on the enzo for turns braking looks top speed 100-150 mph time.
1/4 dont mean shit and if you really want just that and got tons of cash go with a Boosted Z06 or viper.
So uh mite I ask who buys cars to drive in circles besides nascar and the other racing sports? And civics would prolly stay on the street or on a straight drag strip...

What roads are straight?? And for those that are, what fun are they!?! My father owns an Audi TT quattro with the 225hp engine.. Its a quick little car, but its heavy(3500lbs), so after 3rd gear its quite sluggish. But the car is by far the best handling car I've ever driven. I've driving it like a maniac and the tires have not once broken free, if I'm going VERY fast I can get the tires to start 'moaning', sort of like a quiet low pitch tire squeal, but I never have lost traction. The car can easily handle 70mph through the suburban roads of CT(personally verified), and let me tell you, it is a fuckin BLAST. I probably could have gone faster, but I'm driving a $45000 car that isnt mine, and I'm being pushed against the door or being held up by the seatbelt in the corners. Its scary as hell and fun at the same time. There are very few things that are better than having that car with a full tank of premium(or even better, CAM-2) and a long, empty, windy road on a warm sunny day. I'm sure a ferrari or lambo will handle better than the audi, and not to mention be much much faster.

Not all tracks go around in circles !!!

Tracks have different twists and turns with different angles.

People who buy their cars to do that deserve much respect,cause you NEED to know how to drive.

^ agreed. Especially if you're driving a $250k+ car, a little mistake will put a huge dent in your wallet.. a quarter million dents.

What roads are straight?? And for those that are, what fun are they!?! My father owns an Audi TT quattro with the 225hp engine.. Its a quick little car, but its heavy(3500lbs), so after 3rd gear its quite sluggish. But the car is by far the best handling car I've ever driven. I've driving it like a maniac and the tires have not once broken free, if I'm going VERY fast I can get the tires to start 'moaning', sort of like a quiet low pitch tire squeal, but I never have lost traction. The car can easily handle 70mph through the suburban roads of CT(personally verified), and let me tell you, it is a fuckin BLAST. I probably could have gone faster, but I'm driving a $45000 car that isnt mine, and I'm being pushed against the door or being held up by the seatbelt in the corners. Its scary as hell and fun at the same time. There are very few things that are better than having that car with a full tank of premium(or even better, CAM-2) and a long, empty, windy road on a warm sunny day. I'm sure a ferrari or lambo will handle better than the audi, and not to mention be much much faster.


Take a car that has over 450 HP and over 550 ft-lbs of torque down the strip and you will forget all about corners

Well, I'll soon find out.. My motor, new trans(toploader), and car(subframe connectors, export brace, new dash, roll bar... it needs a lot still!), rear end, etc will be together in hopefully a month, should be laying down 650hp/tq to the wheels. Should be fun, and be able to stomp on pretty much anything I encounter on the roads. Between the mustang('69) and the TT I'll have a car for both balls to the walls speed and excellent handling... I'm happy!

im all about me some corners. its what gets me through the track days, watching pros turn single digit times

i know, once its all said and done, that i can actually drive my car home, and given the chance, id be happy to take some tube chassis 'stang to the cleaners on a road course

oh, and the previously mention panties factor of exotic's...thats all fine and dandy, they can have the track skank. they may be one in a million, but i'll take the girl who appreciates that i poured my heart and soul into building my honda, and doesnt go for some rich guy who just plunked down a chunk of change for a supercar

im all about me some corners. its what gets me through the track days, watching pros turn single digit times

i know, once its all said and done, that i can actually drive my car home, and given the chance, id be happy to take some tube chassis 'stang to the cleaners on a road course

oh, and the previously mention panties factor of exotic's...thats all fine and dandy, they can have the track skank. they may be one in a million, but i'll take the girl who appreciates that i poured my heart and soul into building my honda, and doesnt go for some rich guy who just plunked down a chunk of change for a supercar

so are you saying if you had 250,000 at your disposal and spending it wouldnt affect your living conditions etc. that youd still buy a honda?
:screwy:
i personally know that if i had it id say fuck a honda.

so are you saying if you had 250,000 at your disposal and spending it wouldnt affect your living conditions etc. that youd still buy a honda?
:screwy:
i personally know that if i had it id say fuck a honda.

hmm $250k... uh, can I have one ford GT, a '67 fastback with a cammer, and.. hmm.. I still have 40k left... an audi TT. OR a Honda? Yeah fuck the GT, cammer, and TT.. I want a fuckin civic man.

id go for a nice luxary car like a jaguar, a fast sport bike, and then ya id still buy a honda, cuz to me its not only having a fast car, but making a fast car

I'd buy an S2000, an R1, and some kind of SUV for practical purposes. That is, if I had to spend the money on vehicles. If not, I'd buy a house.

speaking of ferraris i was driving around and this 360 spider passed by that had to be one of the sexxxiest sounds ever.

id get that 2004 nsx i saw at the dealership for 80k....then spend the rest of the money turning it into an enzo killer! TT nsx anyone?

id go for a nice luxary car like a jaguar, a fast sport bike, and then ya id still buy a honda, cuz to me its not only having a fast car, but making a fast car

If you had the money, why on earth would you start with a honda?

If you had the money, why on earth would you start with a honda?
read my post above yours

Because like i said its not about being fast, if i wanted that ya start with like a nsx or sumtin, but for me making fast is more fun, and what better to do that in than a honda

even though i skimmed through it all, man that was still a lot of reading..

so are you saying if you had 250,000 at your disposal and spending it wouldnt affect your living conditions etc. that youd still buy a honda?
:screwy:
i personally know that if i had it id say fuck a honda.



if i had 250k, yes i would still get a honda. the hsc, the successor of the nsx (about 100k), and a cbr 600rr ( about 8k), and still have plenty of money left. oh, the hsc is a lo 13 to hi 12 sec car.
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When is the HSC supposed to hit the market?

When is the HSC supposed to hit the market?

2005.

oh one more thing, the annual maintenance for those super cars can cost up to $5000 a year, just the floor mats alone is about a grand, that just a waste of good money.

thousand buck floormatS?!?!?!?!? hell id be the only lambo owner in the world with apc floormats!

if i ever saw you putting APC floormats in a lomorghini, i swear to god i'd remove your eyes with a chicken bone.

if i ever saw you putting APC floormats in a lomorghini, i swear to god i'd remove your eyes with a chicken bone.

i'll get the other eye, people using apc products is just plain rice.

the HSC is nice but its still a honda.
you can polish a turd but in the end its still a turd. but whatever you all like is up to you, just throwing in my 2 pennies.

ok after reading this extremely long post i have a few things to add. first of all in case you people did not know, you could even come close to an enzo with 250k. the sticker on these cars is well over 400k and right now they sell for over 1.5 million. so keep on dreaming with your little 250k stories. second if any of you had this kind of money, you wouldnt be thinking about hondas. you can say that all you want right now but if the time ever came that it did happen 99% of you wouldnt consider any honda other than an nsx or maybe an s2000. also in regards to why people buy these cars, most buy them in appreciation of what they are. for instance lets take the enzo. did any of you know that to even be on the waiting list to buy one before their release, one must have owned the f40 AND the f50? this means most people who own that car are in fact able to appreciate the craftsmanship and overall performance put into such a car. the fact that your honda may be faster in the quarter is irrelevant. after 140mph or the first turn youre done.

i completely agree with the panty wetting factor as well. dont hate on the fact that girls are attracted to these cars. every girl, no matter what they may say, has a little gold digger in them. if anything, id think of it as a plus to have a car that attracted the upper crust of women. then you can pick and choose which to keep and which to "hit and run" if you know what im sayin.

as far as maintenance goes with these cars, it depends on how much they are driven. the reapir costs can rise well over 5k in a year. an oil change on an enzo runs about 800 dollars and is done much more often then in normal cars. and god forbid anyone messes with the body or you get into an accident. those body panels are almost impossible to replace considering ferrari would not make extra body panels without a substantial amount of orders to justify the cost.

well i hope i cleared some things up and stirred some new thoughts. what you guys think?

I agree, the whole top speed thing occured to me the other day but didn't bother to post. I'm sure a large chunk of the $$ is going towards the name, but these are low production, hand built machines. If you want the best, you pay for the best. The big companies like ford, mopar, chevy, etc can get away with lower prices on their supercars(GT $150k, but good luck finding one for that price, viper, corvette z06..) since they already have the production facilities to produce the cars at substantially lower cost, and also lower quality. I'm sure the person putting together whatever part of a ferrari isn't your average mechanic. You have to pay that person's salary when you buy the car, and since only a few hundred/thousand are produced a year, the price will reflect that. One ferrari(not an enzo, a modena) will probably pay two assembly personel's salary, if that. These aren't assembly line manufactured cars, they don't have one guy just installing gas tanks or something.. and if they mess up, its their ass.. They're paid not to mess up, and with ferrari's quality standards, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to mess up, and no one but the best would cut the mustard. On top of that, you have to pay the team of engineers who designed the car(again, nothing but the best.. starting salary for a mechanical engineer right out of college is around $50k in the US... Imagine what a ferrari engineer gets paid...). PLUS they work on each car for years before it is finished.. so take a team of 15 engineers each getting $500k a year, multiply that by 4 years of design, thats $30mil. Then you have to have people who are both incredible designers when it comes to looks as well as incredible engineers to incorporate the drag, downforce, etc characteristics into their designs. As much as you'd like to think, you'd never be able to turn a civic or any honda(except MAYBE the NSX, but still.. good luck) into anything close to a ferrari or lamborghini. I haven't even touched on the interior designers..
Ford/Chevy/Mopar/Honda can afford to buy all the specialized machinery to build thier supercars, hell they probably already have it! They have fleets of production cars that they make thier billions off of, so cuttin the prices on their figurehead cars(the GT, NSX, z06, viper aren't built to make money, they're pretty much marketing schemes to generate interest in the company and build brand loyalty) won't put a dent in thier wallets. Companies like ferrari and lambo that only make supercars have to make money off of them.
Sure you can get more power, but the ferrari will still destroy your car in handling, top speed, reliability, looks, and their engines would probably still perform better, definately in the cubic inch to power ratio. They might not make as much peak HP, but you could build an engine that has 75 peak HP more than theirs and their engine would most likely make more average HP... They engineer things you wouldn't come close to understanding into their motors. The fact is, their cars are engineered from the ground up by the best of the best to be the ultimate driving machines, and it shows. They do a phenomenal job and if you think you can out engineer a team of ferrari engineers, you've got some serious illusions of grandeur...

the HSC is nice but its still a honda.
you can polish a turd but in the end its still a turd. but whatever you all like is up to you, just throwing in my 2 pennies.

an hsc a polish turd? ok now ur opinions is crap. i just hope someday japanese automotive companies would remove that gentleman's agreement which keeps there sport cars under 300hp out the window, that way guys like u would feel like idiots.


anyways tell me one street car that has better handling and beating the nsx on a course track that's around the same price? or 200k even. as far as the enzo, that's just plainly out of the league due to it's +650k price. if u didn't know, honda had been dominating the f1 races for quite sometime now. there had been a test several years ago of all the top cars such as the dodge viper, chevy zo6, ferrari's, porshe's and many more on a course track, guess who got 1st place?


im not trying to be rude; however, calling an nsx and or hsc a polish turd is preposterous

HAHA polish turd.. Not Polish as in "being from Poland" but polish as in "polish your dubs".
Read on my post about figurehead cars...

i guess this strikes me odd for obvious reasons. am i missing something, or do people really pay like 200K for cars that only as fast as people's hondas?
People will pay $$$$$ for quality and style and all that jazz(Rolls,bentley) If it was only about speed, rich guys would tool around in top fuel dragsters. When it comes to street cruising does it matter if your quarter mile happens in less than 12 seconds?

two words: stat us


how many of us believe that someone is running a twelve second honda when we bump into them on the street? if your drivin a lambo, no one questions that your car is fast

It matters to the guys runnin sub-11 second 1/4s! Imagine the bragging rights when you whoop the sh*t out of a ferrari or lambo.. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm ever going to pull up to a stoplight next to one of those cars...

two words: stat us


this is actually the main word. i have friend who has a supercharged nsx which he tweaked and tuned. the car use to be in hot import nights, well anyways, i recently talk to him a while back and at that time he was about to sell it. i was kinda sad he would do such a thing especially to some that quick, his reason for getting rid of it was that he was getting bored of it :screwy: , and that he reached its max capabilities. he now was excited about another car that is actually slower and cost more :screwy: . don't know if he bought it yet but he was telling me all about the lamborghini gallardo and all the f1 gadgets that was put into it, such as the paddle-shift tranmission. but yes overall, its about status.

an hsc a polish turd? ok now ur opinions is crap. i just hope someday japanese automotive companies would remove that gentleman's agreement which keeps there sport cars under 300hp out the window, that way guys like u would feel like idiots.


anyways tell me one street car that has better handling and beating the nsx on a course track that's around the same price? or 200k even. as far as the enzo, that's just plainly out of the league due to it's +650k price. if u didn't know, honda had been dominating the f1 races for quite sometime now. there had been a test several years ago of all the top cars such as the dodge viper, chevy zo6, ferrari's, porshe's and many more on a course track, guess who got 1st place?


im not trying to be rude; however, calling an nsx and or hsc a polish turd is preposterous

thing is for some people 250k+ isnt out of their leauge and because its in their leauge why not show it? whats the point of working hard and earning lots of money if you have some nice things to show for it. again my arguement for this post is purely status. im sure if you can affrod to pay the price of a ferrari that you probably have enough money to maintain it.
and i dont see how you can call my opinion crap, please give me some insight as to why you think so. is it because i called the hsc a POLISHED turd? or what?

Mrcas- what's the point of working hard if you can't buy flashy things like ferraris??? people who have attitudes like that are the kind of people who will never make lots of money, and even if they do they'll waste it all on overpriced stuff like ferraris. i know plenty of people who can afford ferraris, many who could own multiple ferraris actually (come to think of it they used to in their late 20's, when they had a stupid mindset like you obviously do), but would never be able to justify wasting that kind of money on a car. i'm not saying it's stupid for anyone to get a ferrari, i'm just saying if you're worth, say a mil, mil and a half, you shouldn't be purchasing a ferrari. if you're exceedingly wealthy, as in you are a multi, multi millionaire, then go for it, by all means. most people who are affluent do not need to buy flashy things, which oddly enough is part of the reason why they're wealthy. learning things like this is kind of weird, because you expect that people who have millions would just be buying crazy shit. it's kind of like when you see someone in great shape, and you say why do they bother working out? it's because to get and stay in great shape they can't just be impulsive and eat, the same way most millionaires don't buy a car that is twice as expensive as another car that is very competitive w/ it (lower end ferrari v. an nsx, for example).

thing is for some people 250k+ isnt out of their leauge and because its in their leauge why not show it? whats the point of working hard and earning lots of money if you have some nice things to show for it. again my arguement for this post is purely status. im sure if you can affrod to pay the price of a ferrari that you probably have enough money to maintain it.
and i dont see how you can call my opinion crap, please give me some insight as to why you think so. is it because i called the hsc a POLISHED turd? or what?



yes! now read this,
http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-clas29.html
special thanks to yellow nsx for the article.


this will tell u why ur opinion on calling the nsx/hsc a polished turd was crap. calling an nsx a polished turd is like calling a gallardo a sophisticated tractor. if u didn't know, that was what lamborghini first started making, tractors. don't believe me? do some research.

Mrcas- what's the point of working hard if you can't buy flashy things like ferraris??? people who have attitudes like that are the kind of people who will never make lots of money, and even if they do they'll waste it all on overpriced stuff like ferraris. i know plenty of people who can afford ferraris, many who could own multiple ferraris actually (come to think of it they used to in their late 20's, when they had a stupid mindset like you obviously do), but would never be able to justify wasting that kind of money on a car. i'm not saying it's stupid for anyone to get a ferrari, i'm just saying if you're worth, say a mil, mil and a half, you shouldn't be purchasing a ferrari. if you're exceedingly wealthy, as in you are a multi, multi millionaire, then go for it, by all means. most people who are affluent do not need to buy flashy things, which oddly enough is part of the reason why they're wealthy. learning things like this is kind of weird, because you expect that people who have millions would just be buying crazy shit. it's kind of like when you see someone in great shape, and you say why do they bother working out? it's because to get and stay in great shape they can't just be impulsive and eat, the same way most millionaires don't buy a car that is twice as expensive as another car that is very competitive w/ it (lower end ferrari v. an nsx, for example).

if you read my reply you can note that i said buy SOME nice things if its within your leauge. obviously if you cant afford one then you shouldnt buy one. whats the point of a ferrari if you cant eat? if you can eat and have one, then get one. thats what ive been saying. and how do i have a stupid mindset for saying if its within your leauge and you want it then get it? the problem is when its out of your leauge and you buy one. if you spend within your means then your good to go.

calling an nsx a polished turd is like calling a gallardo a sophisticated tractor.

Haha, clever analogy.

mrcas- you do not understand what i am trying to explain to you. just because you can afford a ferrari, ie you have 250K disposable dollars, doesn't mean that it is something that is in your price range. unless you feel it necessary to devote an absurdly unproportional amount of your budget to your car anyways. what i'm trying to say is i personally could afford an s2000, and i'd still have food. but i wouldn't be able to spend cash on any of my other hobbies. it wouldn't be practical (even though that car is SIC), even though i could, it's a stupid choice.

mrcas- you do not understand what i am trying to explain to you. just because you can afford a ferrari, ie you have 250K disposable dollars, doesn't mean that it is something that is in your price range. unless you feel it necessary to devote an absurdly unproportional amount of your budget to your car anyways. what i'm trying to say is i personally could afford an s2000, and i'd still have food. but i wouldn't be able to spend cash on any of my other hobbies. it wouldn't be practical (even though that car is SIC), even though i could, it's a stupid choice.
i understand exactly what you are trying to say. and you seemed to have gotten my point as well. you stated it right to me about the s2000. you can afford it but you cant afford to do everything else you like because you dont have that much. what ive been saying is if you can afford and it doesnt dent your budget, and you can continue living the way you were before the purchase then do it if you want.
ex. Jay-z(or any multi-multi millionare) buys a ferrari, he doesnt feel it in his bank account.
ex. I buy a ferrari, im paying back the loan till im 90.
my point spend within your means.

i don't think it was. but he's right people have crazy attitudes in here, and try to start like they're at a club or something - THESE ARE FORUMS!! arguing here is the gayest thing on the internet. that aside, i don't even think we argued on this thread, however. and is it wrong to like fast/furious? i own both, and even though they exaggerate the hell out of everything i still like them. in fact most movies exaggerate in a similar fashion anyways. edman, out of curiuosity, what are you running? your sig intrigues me

i don't think it was. but he's right people have crazy attitudes in here, and try to start like they're at a club or something - THESE ARE FORUMS!! arguing here is the gayest thing on the internet. that aside, i don't even think we argued on this thread, however. and is it wrong to like fast/furious? i own both, and even though they exaggerate the hell out of everything i still like them. in fact most movies exaggerate in a similar fashion anyways. edman, out of curiuosity, what are you running? your sig intrigues me


im running a 1990 vw corrado g60 with many many mods. the main one being a lysholm twin screw supercharger. but i am selling it now in case anyone here is interested. i will either be going with a first gen scirocco (if any of you are open-minded enough to know what that is) or an fc rx7

Edman,
I looked into corrado's and some of the older VW's, but eventually decided that parts are too expensive and hard to find. Do you have this problem?

Edman,
I looked into corrado's and some of the older VW's, but eventually decided that parts are too expensive and hard to find. Do you have this problem?


some parts are harder to find then others. especially if you look for german stuff. most honda owners want JDM stuff and its getting easier and easier to come by. but there are very few importers of german parts and whatever you do find is very expensive