hi, i'm a complete n00b to the scene so if i ask some really dumb questions try not to flame me too bad

ok first round of questions...
i've been looking at the b16a2 for a bit, and have been told its the best engine to start with as a base... i'm planning on rebuilding it with all performance parts, forged etc... and then putting on a turbo (not sure what type, suggestions? the max hp i can get...), and nitrous (again, only know it should be direct port but not sure after that, suggestions? the max power i can get?)

money is not an object... if i need to spend 15k on just engine work, no big deal i can afford that...

do you have any suggestions for engine work or is a rebuild+turbo+nitrous - oh and of course exhaust the best i can do for power (this also needs to be a street legal daily driver in the summer)

also, with those mods how much extra power will i be looking at? ty for all ur help and sorry if its a bit (well alot) long winded and alot of questions, but like i said... total n00b just trying to learn

any suggestions you can give will be greatly appreciated... ty in advance.

if moneys not an object leave honda alone get something like a lambo.
To help we'll need what you want from the car a real buget how much power running daily on pump gas smog tests info like that

If money is not an object, get a different engine that the B16, depending on what car this is going into. Id susgest the K20 engine. If you want to boost and NOS it, u will need low compression pistons. Running a turbo and NOS is a lotta stress on the engine, id susgest picking one. NOS is more for the noobs, but a custom built turbo kit is better performance wise. If you buy each part seperatly, u will be more satisfied than buying a whole kit.

NOS is more for the noobs,.
being why so many pro drag racers use a form of n20?

K20 its new so its gotta be good right? All the fastest Hondas are running B and H motors cause they have aftermarket out and are proven Ks are showing there worth but they arn't really out there yet enough. It'll be a few years before we see how good they are.


Turbo and n20 is safe and won't stress a build motor.

Feel feel to read up before posting

Well its like the K series took the stuff B and H series had problems w/ and corrected them. THey got rid of the open deck, they improved on cooling, honda cranks have always been good, From what i have read, its suppose to be a good engine, but it is new so it is a little bit harded to fnd. Ya pro drag races use NOS, im not saying its weak, but u dont expect him to be making a pro drag car, hes probably talking about a small shot.

starting from the top... btw i'm from toronto, canada


if moneys not an object leave honda alone get something like a lambo.
To help we'll need what you want from the car a real buget how much power running daily on pump gas smog tests info like that

money is not an object (up to like 80k for everything; incl. car)... i would like to stick with honda civics simply b/c the astonishing amount of aftermarket "rice gear" that is available and also as a personal preference...

want from the car?
- daily driver (during the summer months) so must be street legal
- occasional (2-3x per week) use at the track and street races

amount of power?
- without trying to sound like a F&F reject, "as much as possible!"
- i'm aware thats it's probably impossible to reach 9-11s 1/4mile but hey at least its something to shoot for...
- i would like to run both turbo+nos simply because of the power increase (and from what i've heard some turbo's are designed especially for use with nitrous or vice versa)
** if i do, what sort of mods am i looking for to the engine etc?

extra stuff?
- it will be using premium (highest octane) pump gas
- smog tests: i live in ontario if you know anything about the rules if it can pass legally thats better, if not.. i'll just buy the ticket, no big deal.


Ya pro drag races use NOS, im not saying its weak, but u dont expect him to be making a pro drag car, hes probably talking about a small shot.

pro drag car?
- no not a pro drag car
- a daily driver but should be able to stand up against most the cars around here.. (most are ricers) but some have intake/header/exhaust and some with turbos, none with nitrous as far as i know but no one ever tells you everything...

- small shot... well i would like to get as much power from the nitrous and turbo as possible
- and depends on what i have to do to the engine that can all be done, i've heard anywhere from 100-450hp... but also heard that honda has somehting with a max 400 hp something or other?

** u also mentioned another engine as opposed to the b16 (the k20 i believe... why is that?)
- btw its going into a honda civic (most probably a 2004 coupe b/c i just can't stand the look of the new si uuuuugly hatchback... anyway)

well thats all i think the questions were so far... if i missed something that you need to know.. just msg back...

If you actually have 80 thousand dollars to spend, you should be either smart enough to buy something other than a civic (ever heard that term no matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd?), or dumb enough that nobody wants to have you behind the wheel of a fast car. If, on the otherhand you don't have 80K to spend on building a car, I would be wasting my breath recommending anything, so i'm not going to waste my breath. 85% of everything on here is a pipe dream, so i'm hoping that if you really do have 80 grand to spend you arn't going to spend it on a damn civic. Sounds cool now, but 2 years down the road when you realize that you want something that isn't a FWD econobox with 80K sunk into it it's too late to sell it for any amount of money.

*looks at boosted331*

i thank you for you valuable opinion... and would like to mention one minor thing, I LIKE HONDA CIVICS... i always have and probably always will. I can understand how 80k may seem like a lot of money to "waste" on a civic, but if i were to buy a mercedes or bmw (such as the one i'm currently driving) i'd be spending just as much money and would not be able to modify it to the extent that i would want to with a civic. I have always been interested in tuning, and now that i have the financial backing to do it i feel it is the right time.

Now, if anyone has any constructive remarks or advice, i'm open to them... ty again.

** one minor thing you MAY have misunderstood, i'm NOT planning on spending all 80k on just engine work, this dollar amount includes the car, engine work, body kits, sound systems and other "rice" stuff...

Boosted is right though matey.
But really if you want the help I can give it to you.
You said your looking at the 2004 civic so whats that loaded 20k? 60G to play with
with the 7th gen maybe a K would be a good idea even though there not proven yet i'm sure 60K could make a good one.

I would try going with the K24 block putting DC5R head on it having it sleaved etc made ready for boost lower comp pistons and if your wanting alot of power a turbine like a T 3/4 would probbly do well on power and not too much lag but you could run a T-4 if your really power hungry. Some spray like 55 shot wouldn't be a prob for a built motor you can probbly go higher but i'm not a N2o expert so i won't bother touching on it

But you can also go with many diff other ideas to make a civic fast

*looks at boosted331*

i thank you for you valuable opinion... and would like to mention one minor thing, I LIKE HONDA CIVICS... i always have and probably always will. I can understand how 80k may seem like a lot of money to "waste" on a civic, but if i were to buy a mercedes or bmw (such as the one i'm currently driving) i'd be spending just as much money and would not be able to modify it to the extent that i would want to with a civic. I have always been interested in tuning, and now that i have the financial backing to do it i feel it is the right time.

Now, if anyone has any constructive remarks or advice, i'm open to them... ty again.

** one minor thing you MAY have misunderstood, i'm NOT planning on spending all 80k on just engine work, this dollar amount includes the car, engine work, body kits, sound systems and other "rice" stuff...

So instead of say, buying a nice brand new 350Z, building the motor, throwing on some HRE's, a nice system, and a blower or turbo kit and having a very fun, very fast, very cool car you're going to waste your money on a civic? Face it, there is nothing you can do with a civic that hasn't been done before. No matter what you do to it people are gonna say "oh, that's a civic with a body kit and a wing, how original"

You'll fit right in with all the kids at the local high school :rolleyes:

So instead of say, buying a nice brand new 350Z, building the motor, throwing on some HRE's, a nice system, and a blower or turbo kit and having a very fun, very fast, very cool car you're going to waste your money on a civic? Face it, there is nothing you can do with a civic that hasn't been done before. No matter what you do to it people are gonna say "oh, that's a civic with a body kit and a wing, how original"

You'll fit right in with all the kids at the local high school :rolleyes:
but maybe this guy is shady like that a sleeper who will think a wing euro tailed civic pulls 11s?
I get what your saying man but hes set on a civic.

Face it, there is nothing you can do with a civic that hasn't been done before. No matter what you do to it people are gonna say "oh, that's a civic with a body kit and a wing, how original"
You'll fit right in with all the kids at the local high school :rolleyes:

hmm... i tend to disagree about "there is nothing you can do with a civic that hasn't been done before" b/c if thats true there is hardly anything you can do with any char that hasn't been done somewhere on some car... every car is unique, no matter if you add the same body kit, wing, w/e... every person adds a different style to their car...

now i'm not going to by any means dispute that i could get more power out of a, "brand new 350Z, building the motor etc.." as you stated, but nissan's just arent for me... i guess its just what i've always wanted to do... *shrugs* but ur not the first and i'm sure not the last thats going to tell me that if i'm going to drop this much cash i should choose something more "worthwhile"...


but maybe this guy is shady like that a sleeper who will think a wing euro tailed civic pulls 11s?
I get what your saying man but hes set on a civic.


lol... well you kinda took some of the words right outta my mouth... alot of people who see "done up" honda civics all have similar attitudes to what boosted331 does, "all show and no go"... honestly how many poeple would expect a "gino car" to be pull'n 11's? and thats kinda one angle i'm looking at. also i'm not saying i don't agree with what boosted331 is saying, cuz i know what he's talking about... but like you said, i'm for some wierd reason set on a civic...

Ya dude, if you have 80k, u can "rice" out almost any other import and will be a D16 civic anyday. D16 makes 170 hp, w/ a turbo and NOS, you could make 400 MAYBE with 80k. But, you will blow ur motor so fast, running a shot of NOS and Boost. Now say u get fully upgraded internals, then you might be safe, But you will have more of a daily driver, probably a professional race car. Thats pretty much what a pro car will cost ya, 80K. I think u want to make ur civic into a nice BMW or Mercedes, but that is really hard to do even with 80K. Atleast get something like an RSX type S w/ the good K series engine. If you dont know what a K series engine is, please, do not waste ur money on ur car. You cant just hand over the money and say gimme a turbo and NOS. You have to know what ur doing, cuz in order to run both u will need some REALLY GOOD tuning. Just take everyones opinion, and buy a different car or dont waste ur money. Seriously, if i had 80K, i wouldnt be driving a Civic and i wouldn't be driving a BMW. I want to put parts into a car, soup it up u may say. If that 80K was mine, id look for a 98 supra, new IS300, RX-8, 350 or 300z, or a 3000gt VR-4. Definatly not a civic, cuz one of those cars will always beat ur civic if u put the same amount of money into it. You can easily get 800 hp outta a Supra.

Sorry if that was kinda jummbled, just kinda randomly vented. Heres a summary, being a noob and having 80K to spend do not mix good. If you really knew what u were doing and had all that money, for starters, ud know that the B16 isnt the engine to go w/. Sorry if i haven't started my homework

Ya dude, if you have 80k, u can "rice" out almost any other import and will be a D16 civic anyday. D16 makes 170 hp, w/ a turbo and NOS, you could make 400 MAYBE with 80k. But, you will blow ur motor so fast, running a shot of NOS and Boost. Now say u get fully upgraded internals, then you might be safe, But you will have more of a daily driver, probably a professional race car. Thats pretty much what a pro car will cost ya, 80K. I think u want to make ur civic into a nice BMW or Mercedes, but that is really hard to do even with 80K. Atleast get something like an RSX type S w/ the good K series engine. If you dont know what a K series engine is, please, do not waste ur money on ur car. You cant just hand over the money and say gimme a turbo and NOS. You have to know what ur doing, cuz in order to run both u will need some REALLY GOOD tuning. Just take everyones opinion, and buy a different car or dont waste ur money. Seriously, if i had 80K, i wouldnt be driving a Civic and i wouldn't be driving a BMW. I want to put parts into a car, soup it up u may say. If that 80K was mine, id look for a 98 supra, new IS300, RX-8, 350 or 300z, or a 3000gt VR-4. Definatly not a civic, cuz one of those cars will always beat ur civic if u put the same amount of money into it. You can easily get 800 hp outta a Supra.
Please i'm trying to be nice but if you dont understand this stuff dont post here. What D16 makes 170hp? easy 800 HP sure. 400 hp easly yes 800 isn't slap on bigger turbine and go you know lot of work there?
K series nice but still havn't been tested out like the B&H motors are.
He wants a civic so let him get one and dump $$ into it.

B16 Not D16

Sorry, i meant B16, the engine in the Del Sol vtec. I know what is required to get 800 hp out of a supra, dont question me there. Im still going w/ that the K series are good engines, Honda supposivly got rid of their flaws and made it. If he wants the civic fine, im just saying dont just drop 80K on a civic w/o knowing what ur doing. To get a civic to run good w/ a turbo and NOS u need to know a lot and well not be a NOOB. Im gonna leave it at that

ok, i'm starting to loose a bit of patience b/c i didn't really ask for opinions on what car is better then a civic, or how any other cars can beat a civic... etc...

i simply asked (well told) what i was planning on doing and was looking for suggestions to improve upon it WITHIN certian parameters (on being it remains a honda civic)... now on to the rest:

To get a civic to run good w/ a turbo and NOS u need to know a lot and well not be a NOOB

1. "not be a NOOB"
- and how would one go about becomming, "not... ...a NOOB"?
- perhaps by asking questions? *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*

2. "u need to know a lot"
- i'm not quite sure what you mean by ur clear, concise, and complete description of, "u need to know a lot"
- a lot about? turbos? nitrous?
- isn't that why God made professionals?

anyways, w/e... ty to all those who posted answers to some of my questions, and the rest... well... enjoy ur honda bashing...

By meaning you'll need to know alot he means that with Honda motors to get assloads of power *any motor at that really* you gotta tune it run parts that work together. Understanding what A/R would work best what size turbine 3 or 5 angle grid etc etc. what timing to run your cams all this becomes more and more important with more power being made.

BTW I also know what to make 800hp from a supra. you said thats easy its not. thats what i'm saying.

alright i think i'll jump in on this action..
400 whp does not require any rediculous amount of money.. drop 10 grand and you've got it.. as long as you know what to do with it. i never really was that big of a fan of civics.. until i started looking around and learning.. there are some really respectable civics out there.. they just get a bad name from all the idiots out there with their altezza lights and boeing wing..
in all honesty.. i would suggest a RWD car... after i bought my teg i look back and really don't see anything else i could have bought.. i love my car but i wish it was rwd.. i've driven my buddy's rx-7 and it's just sooo much more fun to drive.. sliding around corners.. doing some donuts when it snows.. just general stuff like that.. there's tons of reasons why to buy rwd.. and there are tons of reasons why not to, i just think you'd be much more happy with a rwd car.
that being said.. i'm not trying to turn you off of civics.. if you want one, then that's awesome! but if you haven't bought it yet.. look around to other options..:2cents:

The man wants a Civic. I don't think he's going to be persuaded otherwise, so let's help him out within the context of a Civic.
That said, the type of Civic you're looking for is an important factor to consider becuase of the weight issue. There's a near 700-lb difference between a base-model EF hatch, for example, and a new Civic Si. Becuase you have $80,000 to work with, I assume you'll want one of the newer models, and 700 pounds isn't a major obstacle when you have that much money, but there are plenty of EF, EG, and EK fanatics out there who wouldn't settle for any other than their respective generation.
You also mentioned that you'd like to run "9's-11's." Unfortunately, the amount of money and engine work required to run 9's is substantially more than the amount of money and engine work required to run 11's. Be more specific about how fast you want to go; a goal for speed will help determine how much of the money goes towards performance. The rest can then be used for aesthetics, audio, whatever you like.

Ya alright, if u want the civic, ask away, ill try and answer them the best i can. I just want to say this though, the B16 is a good engine, not trying to diss it, but if u have a lot of money maybe find out what engine is gonna work best for ur application, especially if u have 80k. Maybe an H22 or H23 vtec swap. If you have that much money, you could put it towards the H23 vtec swap to make it stable. That engine is suppose to run 206 hp, w/o mods. I saw an exact dyno run of it.

My goodness, i don't even think a b16a can go into the new Civic's. You want a engine that is newer or the same year as your car. Therefore go w/ the car series, do a search you'll find plenty of info. 400hp has been achieved on a K-series engine. With the stock Acura RSX-S engine you'll already be pushing around 190whp, just throwing out a number didn't do any research yet. http://www.cybernationmotorsports.com/home.php for some information on a turbo RSX