this is not the drag of F1 vs skyline GT-R, show sprint 0-400m, more details in aerodynamic and we are able to see clearly the undertray of F1 with disffusor not shown untill now. i think this movie clip is the longest shown ever so far now. Pretty good!! it is made by janpan. but the chassis Nr as our most strongest curiosity is unknown. we need to identify this. mabye though it seem to be impossible.

http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=mov&No=18194&page=1&select=&content=

This is korea auto website.

direct url to the video: http://auto.joins.com/upboard/pds/pdst/BestMotoring_McLarenF1.asf

direct url to the video: http://auto.joins.com/upboard/pds/pdst/BestMotoring_McLarenF1.asf


Hello

How do you know this site ? This site is being managed by the big Korean Newspaper com.,are you Korean?

Unbelievably good. :)

No one has been able to obtain the chassis number for the "Tag Heuer" labeled F1. I have one suspicion, but it's not worth bringing up just yet. There is actually a spot in that video about midway through the beginning where they do pan over the chassis plaque, but you can't read it in the encoded file. I'm hopeful that it would be readable in the actual taped video, but I haven't been able to find a copy.

I saw this video when it was brand new on tape as a friend of mine is a huge fan of Japanese cars and he used to travel into Los Angeles' "Little Tokyo" area to a tiny Japanese video store to rent the newest "Best Motoring" video each month. He was one of my roommates at the time, so naturally each time he'd bring a new one home I'd get to see it. I don't recall the year exactly (maybe '94 or '95), but this video was highly influental in stirring my passion for the McLaren F1.

It's been available on RacingFlix.com in this form for about 1 year and I was really happy to get to watch it again as like tvrfreak said, it's unbelievably good. I just wish it was captioned with subtitles in English as my Japanese is very poor. :grinno:

>8^)
ER

Could the car be owned by a member of the Ojjeh family?

They did own TAG Heuer until a few years ago.

Greg A

It could be, but it was always seen in Japan as far as I'm aware, and hasn't been seen in quite some time. It could be one of those "lost in Japan" F1s, or it could have made it's way to another place - like the USA...

Incidentally, the last time this car was seen in Japan to my knowledge, it was no longer wearing "Tag Heuer" decals and instead wore these "HEAD" graphics:

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kakepic/smc/fav/fav01.jpg

It was also featured in a Japanese car magazine with this look. I saw the magazine on Ebay one time but didn't buy it.

>8^)
ER

Just found this and thoroughly enjoyed the film. No Japanese spoken here, but I not need to understand the language to be able to enjoy the great video. I had asked about the Tag Heuer car in a previous post, and am glad to see it surface. Enjoyed it immensely. Thanks again. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Like Peloton said, the video has been on RacingFlix.com for a while. It's a good video, and it looks pretty in depth. I only wish that I could understand it.

That video has been around for a long time as it was released some time ago on a Best Motoring International Video.If i'm not mistaken, and i may be.......it is supposed to have been wrecked awhiles back. While i have researched for the wreck of this mclaren, i could find nothing else about the car.It is said to have been destroyed in japan but my leads often lead to junk yards where the owners knew nothing of high end cars. Yes i did say junk yards, as from some contacts i have, it was towed to a local junkyard by mistake and never seen again.Now this cannot be proven as of yet, but i've been researching this specific Mclaren for years.I've also had many e-mail exchanges with the good people at Best motoring but the few people that actually saw the car during the filming do not work there anymore and left no further contacts. I have contacted Hatorri (through my contacts) who is a JGTC driver who was the driver for the testing and he does not recelect the chassis number that was told to him. Although he says he remembers asking how many were made and they told him it was made in the first year of production in 1994.
I have 1 very strong lead right now that is pointing me toward a shipping yard in japan where the vehicle might be resting, but will report once hard facts and photographic evidence can be shown.

Whoahh!


He on earth would not have their McLaren repaired for whatever the cost!????

The car is one of the autolegends for sure and not to mention the best car ever!

Some people I don't understand!
I surely hope someone that wish to fix the car gets it VERY soon!

Hi Joe-
First, welcome to the forum. That's very interesting info that you share about the possibility of a wreck. I can tell you that the normal stories of crashed/damaged McLarens that I'm aware of don't include any stories of F1s located in Japan. If you find out more info, or actually do come up with photos you can share that would be great. It would be a shame if what you say is proven to be true though... :(

>8^)
ER

are you sure the "head" car is the same one?

in the video the hood.. or trunk.. or whatever it is covering the cd changer has 2 vents, like the HDF cars.

that pic doesnt?

whoa. well spotted. i never would have noticed that

actually. looking at it again, it doesn't. its a tag heuer sticker.

Whoahh!


He on earth would not have their McLaren repaired for whatever the cost!????

The car is one of the autolegends for sure and not to mention the best car ever!

Some people I don't understand!
I surely hope someone that wish to fix the car gets it VERY soon!
I couldn't believe it myself when i first heard the stories about a Mclaren at a junk yard, but as it was explained to me the owner wasn't aware.

From the story i have gathered, this chassis was actually being tested on a high speed course when the driver lost control destroying the vehicle. Now from what understand the owner wasn't present for the testing and knew nothing until hours after the crash.As it is reported by some contacts of mine, the car was taken away by a different trailer then the one which originaly brought the car to the track.How, may u ask, well i will give one scenario which seems very believable.

The driver of the trailer was actually bribed with a very large some of money to pull the trailer into a "blind spot" near the track so nobody could see it. Just as the vehicle was crashed, the new trailer pulled into the same area the original was in. Now, i know it sounds very far fecthed but the driver was in on the steal as well.Purposely he lost control and damaged the vehicle to draw everyones attention from the trailer being moved.As this happened,the owner was on a direct route toward the track in order to see the damages. Upon his arrival, he was told that his trailer was talking the vehicle back the Mclaren shop to have the damages asessed. Reaching the facility he sees the trailer and runs to see the damage. Now there were reported 2 workers talking to the driver as he came up to find out what was going on. He was informed how the wrecked vehicle was missing from the trailer.

After this, my information becomes sketchy on how or what actions were takin to find the vehicle. it was supposedly take an dropped off at a junk yard where nobody would suspect such a car being there.

I will post more when i can get my hands on something else. Everything that i have just stated has taken me 2 years to peice together, yet i still cannot tell everyone that it is Fact and not fiction.

thank the lord we finally have some mclaren controversy back again! What a stunt! Id probs faint if I was lookin in a junk yard and see it like that (if this is true)..
Call it AF private investigation team, case F332:D
Keep posting joebowl...thanks for the info:)

-Mike:aus:

But then again a stunt like might just be pulled it isn't like were talkn about a toyota camary. Were talking about a 890,000 dollar car but now its worth over 1 mil not to mention its the most recognized car in the automotive enthusiasts world. People like us jump at the word Mclaren and just makes us wonder how such an amazing car was actaully disvised. That why they would go through all the the trouble to take that car. In other words (simply stated) MCLAREN F1! Thats your reason y the car was taken.

That's it!

I'm going to search every garbage dump in Asia this vacation :naughty:


Hmmmmm....how shall I manage to smuggle it back to Norway.... :banghead:


Interesting story for sure!
If it were my car I would get the car back almpst at all costs! :iceslolan

From the story i have gathered, the driver lost control destroying the vehicle... Purposely he lost control and damaged the vehicle After this, my information becomes sketchy

Your information is sketchy AFTER that story?!?

Let me check my calendar... nope it's not April 1. I read this yesterday and it's still making me laugh!

It just doesn't seem realistic.

Don't you guys think that McLaren Cars Ltd. would have a problem with one of their cars just sitting somewhere in a heap of garbage? And if it really is just sitting there without an owner, wouldn't they try to reclaim the car?

I was hesitant to reply to express my concern on this story, but since others have, I will too.

It just doesn't seem feasible that a McLaren F1 could go missing and become abandoned in the corner of some junkyard in Japan. The story implies the car was stolen, but what would be the point of wrecking a car you were going to steal. Its not like you would be able to get it repaired once it was "stolen". It also wouldn't be worth anything to anyone else because with just a little bit of research any prospective buyer would be able to learn the history of the car. Also, this isn't a Toyota - I can assure you that if a million dollar McLaren F1 went missing it would be big news, not some obsscure story that it has taken 2 years to piece together.

If there's any official info on this or a news report that might shed more info on the story I'd be very interested to see it, but until then I'm sorry, but I just don't believe a word of it at all.

>8^)
ER

You can believe what i have posted or you cannot, it's your choice.When i get my information on stuff like this i like to share, but since peeple here don't like what i'm saying, i'll just stop reporting any type of news that i receive.I never said this is 100% completely true did I, no. I just stated that I have been collecting this information over the past few years from bits an piece.

I came to post on this forum because i thought maybe a few of you would be interested in some information that i have received.Not to say it is 100% accurate, but just something to share with other Mclaren enthusiast.I never said I believe it myself either, just it's something i wanted to share.

Gotta agree with Peloton, just every chassis # is accounted for, and MCL would do something....as Peloton said before, if a McLaren was stolen, the forum could probably hunt it down:)
-Mike:aus:

I came to post on this forum because i thought maybe a few of you would be interested in some information that i have received.Not to say it is 100% accurate, but just something to share with other Mclaren enthusiast.I never said I believe it myself either, just it's something i wanted to share.

No one said you couldn't post information here. It certainly came across, however, that you believe everything that you wrote...

Posting information is one thing. Posting rumor, story, tall tales, conjecture, dreams, and/or hallucinations will certainly raise a few eyebrows and invite comment.

Drew

Isn't there some kind of GPS locating system in the cars? Or am I confusing that with the modem which must be plugged in to transmit data about any mechanical problems?

There was nothing like a GPS locator installed by the factory, though some owners have now had GPS Navigation systems installed which may allow for the reverse if the unit is on.

The modem to transmit info back to the factory does need to be plugged into the data port inside the left side luggage compartment in order to work. I don't believe there is a place to store the modem in the car - I think it's included in the rolling Facom toolchest. It also requires a phone line to transmit info from the ECU. I assume this could have been updated to a cellular link by now which would allow for remote transmission of data without a landline, but I'm not sure if they've taken that step with it.

>8^)
ER

It is something that has to be activated by the operator before the factory can get any readings from it. They can't just dial into a car and start reading information.

Also, while it can issue the commands for most battery powered functions, such as activating the wiper, it can't turn on the ignition--wouldn't be too pretty if the car was in gear...

From McLaren Cars Ltd.:

When McLaren Cars dreamed up the idea of the McLaren F1 it wasn't only the chassis and engineering of the car that the company considered; it was also essential that an F1 would be properly serviced. It was clear that since any local service centre could be several hours away accurate fault diagnosis would be imperative. In a typically brilliant leap of imagination, McLaren decided to use the same technology that was then being pioneered by its grand prix team, and chose to install a system that allows the factory to 'talk' to all road going F1's.

In exactly the same way that the Team McLaren Mercedes race engineers use computer telemetry to see what Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard have been doing on the race track, the men in the know at McLaren cars can quickly diagnose problems in any McLaren F1. Harold Dermott, Manager of Customer Care, explains how the system works. "Every F1 customer is handed a modem that they can connect simultaneously to their car and telephone line. Essentially there are two electronic 'brains' in the car, one controlling the engine management, the other looking after the cars electronics. Between them they control most of the systems in the F1. The modem allows the engineers at the factory to diagnose any problems that either of these two 'brains' has recorded in it's memory, not unlike in aircraft and grand prix cars."

http://www.mclarencars.com/content/sections/ccare/modic1o.jpg

The trick is a special diagnostic tool called MoDiC, an acronym for Mobile Diagnostic Computer. With the MoDiC, we can analyse immediately the given problem and tell the customer what we think is the likely cause for concern" says Dermott. "What we can then do is advise the service centre in that country of the solution, or else we fly a technician out to remedy the fault."

McLaren has made sure that there is a fully equipped servicing facility in every country where an F1 roadcar can be found. Which is just as well: If F1 owners in Australia or New Zealand have a problem with their car, it's a long way back to Woking...

http://www.mclarencars.com/content/sections/ccare/modic2o.jpg

What then can MoDiC actually tell you once it's connected via modem? Well amongst other things, it keeps a detailed record of the exact mileage of the car at the point the fault was recorded, for how long it lasted, the speed in rpm of the engine when it occurred, the engines water temperature and the date, time and ambient weather on the day in question. It could probably tell you what the customer had for breakfast, too.

This would surely be good enough for even the most exacting company but McLaren Cars thinks it can do even better. Plans are afoot for a significant improvement to the system.

"The next stage of development is to adapt the fault diagnostic capabilities to the GSM networks", explains Dermott. "Then we won't have to rely solely on land lines. It effectively means that we'll be able to talk to customers' cars via mobile phones at the roadside. This is realistically at least nine months away, but the upgrade will then be available to cutomers as a simple modification."

Diagnosing faults in Sydney via a mobile connection to Woking? It seems McLaren Cars' technology knows no limits.

That should clear a few things up. :smile:

Nice info! :smile: