Which Trans Am is the best


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RavagePenguin
05-13-2004, 07:22 PM
1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. So whic do you think is the best generation. Personally The 1st started it all so I like them but I prefer the 2nd generation better no matter what year.

koeb$
05-29-2004, 12:50 AM
lovin the 4th gen

musclecarfanatic
06-01-2004, 06:50 PM
id have to say the first generation trans am is better looking just like the first generation camaro

irdc019
06-01-2004, 08:04 PM
I'm gonna have to go with 3rd gen. Maybe im biast cuz i own an 86, but still.

RavagePenguin
06-03-2004, 08:11 PM
3rd Generation are cool(Like the Knight Rider car). But I prefer the 2nd still

65Ponchoboy
06-09-2004, 04:12 PM
id say 1 like the the 1st,2nd and 4th gen cars all had good engines minus the crappy olds engine they put in 79,80,81. id say my favorite is the 70-73 T/A's with a SD 455

73455transam
06-25-2004, 02:03 PM
Got to be the 2nd Gen. The very best year is a '73 with a SD-455

BleedDodge
06-25-2004, 02:12 PM
A '70 with a 455 must move. By '73 the compression was so low that these things had 250 horsepower! My buddy has as '74 Oldsmobile 442 with a 455 and that thing is sucked out. It's like driving a car with a 305 in it.

'70 and '71 engines weren't affected by government emissions ratings yet, so these ones would be best. I'd personally like a '69, to me they just look the best.

73455transam
06-27-2004, 08:56 AM
But in '73 they had the SD

BleedDodge
06-27-2004, 03:41 PM
That means Super Duty, and it's crap because it has 250 horse in a low compression block. It's got nothing on a '70 or '71 455, which had somewhere around 450 horsepower, everyone knows that.

An old Dodge 318 has just about as much power as that SD 455.

RavagePenguin
07-02-2004, 10:10 PM
It's like with the 400 engine. In 1970 it was pretty powerful. But by 1975 it was weak. A Turbocharged 4.9 301 c.i. could beat it. With both drivers with the same amount of expeirance. In 1979 the Turbo 301 had about 225 hp and in 1975 the 400 had 185 hp. Like today it was because of Oil Embargo by the Arabs.(Lets not get into politics or my bad spelling)

MrPbody
07-09-2004, 08:23 AM
Bleeddodge, you're at it again! The '73 455SD was rated at 310 NET horsepower, which translates to about 400 GBHP. No 318 Dodge was EVER produced as a "performance" engine. The 273 and 340 carried that job for the baby Mopes until '73, when Dodge learned 360 heads would fit 340s, making them smog turds, too.
In reality, the 455SD was the very last "muscle car" engine made by Detroit, though it never found its way into a muscle car. It was scheduled for the '73 GTO and Grand Am, but never materialized. There is one infamous photo of a '73 GA with the SD badges. There's still a debate today, whether or not there was REALLY an SD in the car.
As for the potential of the SD, change the cam to the 041 (factory muscle grind) and bump the compression to 10:1, and instant 500 horses! They had the best flowing heads (aside from Ram Air V) of any traditional Pontiac V8. NEVER underestimate the GM engineers when it comes to circumventing the system! Especially Pontiac, who carried the banner for performance through the dark ages. In '79, you couldn't buy a Dodge OR a Ford that would turn the tires over from a stand. Trans Am would...even with low compression and the obligitory automatic transmission.
One last thing. Due to EPA and other government rules, compression ratios fell through the floor in '71. ALL American performance cars suffered from then on.

73455transam
07-11-2004, 12:37 PM
What do you mean the SD never made it into a muscle car?! It was in the Trans Am in 73 and 74.

RedLightning
07-11-2004, 01:31 PM
favorite is the 1st gen second fav is the 4th gen.

BleedDodge
07-11-2004, 03:12 PM
That's why I compared that SD455 to a 318, because those SD455's are dawgs. It's like a boat motor or something.

catback23
07-17-2004, 11:01 PM
I like all the birds but my fav has to be first the 3rd gen and second the 4th gen. I grew up with knight rider and when I saw the car it was over. Later saw smokey and the bandit and my horizon was broadened. But my first love was and will always be the 3rd gen.

BleedDodge
07-18-2004, 03:22 AM
I believe the 1969 is the nicest, it's just a mean looking car. The chrome in the front looks like a bird beak to me, I think that's what Pontiac was trying to achieve by doing that.

Brutus_5150
07-25-2004, 10:20 PM
I like any70-73 Ram Air/HO/Super Duty for the shit-n-git factor and I'm partial to 77-81 for looks.

65Ponchoboy
07-26-2004, 12:36 PM
now that im lookin at it im starting to like the 3rd gen TA'si mean even tho they came with a 305 or 350 i would just rip it out and find myself a 400, 421, 428, or a 455 "thats if they fit".it would be a good car maybe a lil nose heavy. i classify them as good beater cars with performance.

landyacht
08-04-2004, 12:02 PM
I'm an LS1 fan myself, with a soft spot for the '77 just cuz my Dad took me for a ride in one when i was a kid.

MrPbody
08-04-2004, 01:06 PM
65, Indian Adventures makes a nice set of headers to put the Pontiac in the 3rd gen body. I believe they have the motor mounts as well. There are a couple of them running around the Richmond area, and they run 12s on street tires and 93 octane with no adders. The stock little rear won't last long, though. Upgrade to a 9" or a 12-bolt...

TechX
08-04-2004, 01:20 PM
My "Smokey and the Bandit" T/A would have to be my favorite.

Autofreefindersguy
09-29-2004, 09:25 AM
All the T/A car years are cool...
I grew up cruisin in my buddy's 77 T/A the year Smokey & the Bandit came out, one of my fav styles!
I have owned 4 now...85 with TPI, a 89 GTA a 89 with WS6 and a 95...Now if only GM will BRING THEM BACK!

RedLightning
09-29-2004, 05:09 PM
Id love to have one back, but i dont trust GM to do it right.

Fit4Demolition
10-16-2004, 01:16 PM
i have an 84 trans am with the L69 and cowl hood, so i have to say third generation is my favorite. But i think the second generations were the best, if i could have one of them i would be really happy.

BiggyD
10-19-2004, 05:40 PM
My dad has a '79 bandit edition Trans Am,which I like, but in my opinion it nor anything else compares to my '97 Trans Am WS6.

buzz_17
10-31-2004, 02:39 AM
I have always liked the black and gold
http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b8/a4/a0_1_b.JPG

SamBlob
10-31-2004, 08:16 AM
Hmm...

The first generation looked a bit too tarted up compared to the Camaros. So maybe not.

The second generation eventually became the Bandit car. But is that enough reason to choose them?

The third generation has the Firebird I'd be most likely to own, being one with the Iron Duke 2.5 L four (goes like a SNAIL but at least I could afford the gas...) but the Trans-Ams were unimpressive, at least at the beginning.

Fourth generation Trans-Ams were... how can I put this? Bloody Ugly. They ended as they began, with Camaros looking simpler and better.

So I guess I'll go with the second generation.

FormulaLT1
11-20-2004, 03:10 AM
2nd Gens are the best looking IMO but when it comes to performance I think the 4th Gen's are all around better performer's than any of the other Models but they have always been bad ass.

lethal429
11-20-2004, 08:54 PM
That's why I compared that SD455 to a 318, because those SD455's are dawgs. It's like a boat motor or something.

Any BBP 455 can be seriously stout...even the low compression engines produced lots of torque...I have a 1979 Formula that my brother and I dropped a mild 455 into...it has a 2200 rpm convertor, mild HYD cam, Edelbrock Torquer 1 intake, stock mechanical fuel pump with stock fuel line and 3.08 gears....we ran at the track..spinning the tires it went 13.0's at 109 mph...thats torque

hotrod_chevyz
11-21-2004, 03:50 AM
i like 1982 cause i have a 1982.but i wish that i had a SD455 in mine.The 2000 anniversary edition looks pretty intimidating with the ram air,maybe i like em all what the hay.

hotrod_chevyz
11-22-2004, 06:51 AM
i would like to see these people rag on a 1973 SD455 Trans Am,after racing one.I would imagine most people have never been in a car that fast.And anybody who thinks a SD455 is slow needs to get for real and face the facts.

MrPbody
11-22-2004, 09:29 AM
Interesting post, hotrod chevyz... Most Chevy guys would rag on the Pontiac, regardless of what engine it had. You're right, 455SD is a great engine. Too bad they didn't make very many. But it's all ancient history now. There are a TON of goodies for the Injun Engine (traditional Pontiac V8) currently on the market. The biggest advantage of the SD was the heads. No longer. The aftermarket has stepped up, and Pontiacs are BACK! And with all the stroker kits around, the SD block isn't as desired as it once was. You can build a monster 461 with the right 400 block. The REAL place for a SD to "shine", is between the frame rails of a restored T/A or Formula!
But I'm still very glad to see a Chevy boy with the proper respect for the "other" GM race division.

hotrod_chevyz
11-22-2004, 12:17 PM
I currently have a highly modified trans am.It has a 1970 chevelle engine and a modified transmission.i have applied every trick in the book.a super duty is special because the design of the heads.ponchos have always had the best flow characteristics.I love my trans am,but without the chevelle engine,it would be just like any other 1982 t\a with a 305 ,a little slow that is..

Gunstar1
12-04-2004, 09:46 AM
Personally I prefer the 2nd gen due to the SD-455. Give me a 73 SD-455 and I'd be happy forever. The 73-74 SD's could easily run 13's stock. Considering what everybody else inside and outside GM produced at the time, that's pretty good. The SD's were the fastest cars from GM in 73-74.

310 hp and 390 ft-lbs make for a pretty fast car. Forged pistons, rods, and crank, with 4 bolt mains is pretty tough to beat for strength. They say that, without modification, the bottom end of the engine can handle up to 600 hp.

The heads were modified RA-IV heads.

To clairify a couple of earlier posts, no 318 ever made anything close to 310 hp and 390 ft-lbs from the factory.

Also, Firebird/Camaro and Mustang are not muscle cars. They are pony cars.

Other Firebird/TA's that I like are the 89 TTA, the 69 TA, but would also consider anything with an LS1 in it.

Autofreefindersguy
12-04-2004, 11:07 AM
I recall my High school days when I went to test drive a 73 Trans Am...

It was butt ugly Purple...and had a SD455 on the shaker scoope...Not knowing much about T/A's at the time I did not know what that meant...

The lady said, it takes awhile to warm up, but then it runs fine...
I said ok and took off for a drive...

I let it idle as I putted down a couple blocks and went to take a left turn...

I gave her about 3/4 throttle and nearly swapped ends!
Instant RUSH!

The thing flat out FLEW!

But hating the purple color and wanting a newer one (79) with T-Tops I let this great classic go...

Not the last mistake I have made...:)

soxs
12-07-2004, 10:59 PM
favorite is the 1st gen second fav is the 4th gen.
The 454 chevelles were known as "boat anchors"

soxs
12-07-2004, 11:07 PM
Need info on this motor....such as how many were made? What was the HP and torque rating?......By the way anything after 72 was shit....Cow catcher front clips and smoggers ended it for me.

MrPbody
12-15-2004, 10:13 AM
Gunstar, actually (and unfortunately) there were no Kellogg forgings for 455SD. We sure wanted them! But the nodular iron cranks (in ALL 455s) have proven to NOT be the weak link in the chain. Very tough, considering they aren't a forging. Also, while the SD heads favor the RA heads on the exhaust side, the intake side was done with a "clean sheet of paper". The intake port, while occupying the same area in the head, is a bit different shaped, and out-flows any previous non-tunnel port Pontiac by about 20 CFM. This isn't to criticise, just illuminate... I LOVED the SDs, but reality infringes, and they simply aren't out there anymore. Collectors have most of them, and it's a dumb idea to carve up a pair for racing, when the Edelbrock and KRE heads work so well. Today, we're bumping 700 horsepower for a medium-level build using a "stock block" Pontiac. 600 is common with 93 octane. And with all the aftermarket goodies, the engines are living longer than ever before (just like other brands).

Soxs, A 454 a "boat anchor"? What planet did you recently arrive from? As much as I dislike Chevy, it would be foolish to make such a statement. This is like that debate over whether or not early '70s Dodge bodies are junk. Emotion comes into play. Only Dodge people argue the point. The rest of us already know... Same is true of big block Chevy. Aside from the sheer mass and weight, it could be considered the best all-around V8 power plant ever made by anyone. It's certainly as tough and powerful as the big Dodges, and perhaps a bit more versatile. It's as durable as ANY big Ford, and more powerful than most. In proper tune, it can make as much low-end as the Pontiac and Caddy BIG engines. Parts are on the shelf at every store. I could on and on. Again, I'm NOT a Chevy guy, but I AM a professional.

BleedDodge
12-15-2004, 03:33 PM
I think MrPbody makes the same post about emotion and facts in every forum. I'm reading it and all of a sudden he starts talking about Dodge bodies and Chevy engines, and I don't know where it comes from. This is supposed to be about which T/A is best, right?

So he's a professional, I truly respect that. The part that I can't understand is where other brands fit in here. Don't drag brand x through the mud to make your favorite brand look better.

Some guy makes a post that might look a little dumb, and he comes along and he's all like "but I'm a professional you guys, and you have no idea blah blah blah whatever" and it's just silly...

Come on MrPbody, if you have some useful information, then please enlighten us...

MrPbody
12-16-2004, 10:05 AM
I was trying to address a misconception by another, that interjected the off-brand statement. I simply wish to propegate information as accuately and relevant as possible. I was refering to a discussion in another thread, to illustrate a point, not to promote my personal feelings.
As for emotion? Well, it looks like we ALL have that issue...

Fast_Firebird_2000
01-18-2005, 01:12 AM
i love the 93-97 with the ram air hood that can be order if any one is intrested at carhoods.com

Hayapower
01-20-2005, 12:43 AM
First Generation..

Have owned 'many' T/A's.. Come and gone.. Although I'd like to have a few of them back.. But the 69 is the only one still around.. Make'n memories for 30 years!!!

.................HP...............

Mr. Luos
03-17-2005, 09:07 PM
I am a little biased....

tuske427
03-22-2005, 04:25 PM
So far every one has listed their personal favorites. but what about the facts?

which one has the quickest quarter mile time?
Which one has the best handling/ braking ,etc..?
Which one sells for the most $$?

And do we include aftermarket "tuned" versions like the SLP Firehawk, Lingenfelter/ Hurst, GMMP or Mecham T/A?

The '69 T/A convertibles will likely sell for the most, the aftermarket ones are the quickest, and the last WS-6's off the assembly line are the best bang for the buck...

So many choices, so many Trans Ams, I love them all!

But I do own an '84 T/A, recently sold a modified '95 T/A, had a '68 bird and am on the hunt for a '73 T/A.

DPelletier
04-14-2005, 12:12 PM
Gotta love this brand loyalty despite the facts stuff!

The 455 Super Duty was FAR from a boat anchor. On this very site, the list of the 50 fastest musclecars places the '73 455SD at #15 which is the highest placing Pontiac on the list ahead of #31, '68 Firebird RA400; #45, a '62 421SD Catalina and #48 a '70 Trans Am RA400 (RAIII, I assume). As this CLEARLY demonstrates, the lower NET rating of the 455SD should not be compared to the earlier GROSS hp numbers.
In fact, the '73 and '74 Super Duty cars were as fast as the fastest musclecars built despite the huge burden of meeting much more stingent polution control mandates. I don't own a Pontiac and never have, but I will give credit where credit is due.
I also have very little interest in performance potential of various engines, I am more interested in how they performed bone stock. I can only imagine what Pontiac would have accomplished if they had produced the 455SD in 1970 when they should have. With 10.5 - 11:1 compression and a RAIV Cam, I'd be willing to bet the big SD would have given the Hemi and LS-6 stiff competition to say the least and would have overshadowed the Olds 455 W-30 and Buick 455 Stage I. For whatever reason, Pontiac chose to hamper themselves by having their top dog production engine (the 400 RA1V) deal with a 55 cubic inch displacement disadvantage. The 455HO was a milder engine than the 400 RAIV. Why they didn't make a 455 RAIV, I'll never figure out.
Anyway, I digress;
- My favourite Trans Am would be a '73 455SD car followed closely by a '71 or '72 T/A (455HO and M-22), followed by a '70 400 RAIII car.

Cheers,
Dave

rollin_on13s
05-06-2005, 02:14 AM
Got to be the 2nd Gen. The very best year is a '73 with a SD-455

.............definitely.



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toxicracer
05-20-2005, 02:24 PM
Im not sure about performance differences but when it comes to style i prefer the newer 4th gen(with the ram air hood of course) and then the classic 1st gen.

MrPbody
05-20-2005, 05:05 PM
Toxicracer,
Then you would have DEFINITELY liked John Welter's '99 Firebird at VMP last weekend. 6.82 @ 204 (1/4 mile, 440 CID PONTIAC, no Chevy parts). It was the quickest ET in Pontiac history. The MPH isn't a record, as the F/Cs from the late '60s went around 220, but in the low 7s.
Just for those that believe you can't make power with the Injun... Just wait 'til he puts the 505 CID version in there. It's already dynoed at 2,880 HP.

Fleet 472
07-30-2005, 08:19 PM
Personally I prefer the 2nd gen due to the SD-455. Give me a 73 SD-455 and I'd be happy forever. The 73-74 SD's could easily run 13's stock. Considering what everybody else inside and outside GM produced at the time, that's pretty good. The SD's were the fastest cars from GM in 73-74.

To clairify a couple of earlier posts, no 318 ever made anything close to 310 hp and 390 ft-lbs from the factory.

Yes, those '73 SD-455s were fast- could run a 1/4 mile in about 13.8 secs.

I like best the '68 Ram Air IV Firebird 400.

It's going back quite a few years, but the '57 318 2x4 bbl in the '57 Plymouth Fury was rated at 290 hp.
There were also a few Hemi-powered DeSotos which made a lot of power from small V-8s, like the 341 with 320 hp in '56 and the 345 engine rated at 345 hp in '57.

MrPbody
08-01-2005, 08:23 AM
At the risk of stirring the pot... Ram Air IV was introduced in '69, and about 88 Firebirds had them, mostly T'/As. The "round port" engine in '68 GTO was called "Ram Air II" (the '67 GTO had "Ram Air I"). The few '68 "Ram AIr" F-bodies I've seen were the 400 with #16 heads (D-ports). If they put the round port motor in the Firebird in '68, I have not seen one.

decollect
08-02-2005, 03:19 PM
That means Super Duty, and it's crap because it has 250 horse in a low compression block. It's got nothing on a '70 or '71 455, which had somewhere around 450 horsepower, everyone knows that.

An old Dodge 318 has just about as much power as that SD 455.

I would have to disagree. Former owner of a '73 GP with a 455 SD in it. No, in '73 there were 3 versions of the 455. the standard 455, an H.O. 455 and the SD 455. As I understand it, the major difference in the SD and HO was, among other things, being hand assembled. It's been awhile but recollection on last time I looked in a book on specs were in '73, the 455 rated around 250, the H.O. went 270, and the SD went 310, all in stock configuration.

MrPbody
08-10-2005, 12:55 PM
decollect,
According to Pontiac information, only Trans Ams and a hand full of Formulas got the SD engine. The SD was the ONLY "round port" head in '73. The '70 455 HO was the only high compression 455 (10.5:1, D-port heads), '71 and 2 got the "HO" with round port heads, low compression. The SD was quite different, in the heads and block. There is extra ribbing in the valley to strengthen the weakest part of the block. There's also the "boss" cast in to the rear to allow a crescent-type dry sump pump to be installed, and the heads have a much wider intake port than any other Pontiac production casting. It's easily identified by the tube pressed into the head where the intake pushrods go through the head. They had to make room for the wider cross section.
NOTE: There were some publicity photos of a '73 Grand Am with SD badges, but the car was never released.
There were two other 455s in '73, true enough. One had a Rochester 4-bbl. and the other a 2-bbl.
Bleeddodge, the SAE "Net" ratings began in '71 with GM, and knocked about 20% off the "brake" numbers. No 318 Dodge EVER made the kind of power a 455 SD made. Pump one to the teeth, put a blower on it, and then MAYBE... Never forget the torque numbers... Horsepower numbers sell cars. Torque MOVES cars. With a cam change (to a factory Ram Air IV grind) and the addition of "bump top" pistons (provided back in the day by TRW, to make the compression ratio 10:1), 455 SD made well over 500 horsepower. There was no MOPAR offering in '73 or '74 that could touch the T/As with SD engines. The Hemi was the last gasp, and that ended in '72. Low compression 440s are pretty much turds...(factory versions, anyway)
Today, SD engines are prized by collectors and restorers. No need to carve them up for racing, as Edelbrock and Kaufmann have the cylinder head situation well in hand (modern heads make more power and cost less).
If you will refer to my posting on the general discussion page about Norwalk, you will see that there are no small block MOPARS making the kind of power the bigger Ponchos are making today. Maybe a "Cup" motor WITH a blower...
PAX

ctesla
08-15-2005, 08:54 PM
I'm going to have to agree with the pack on this one:

1973 455SD

...and, --- in a perfect world, we could all go back, buy '70-73s for $3grand, come forward, use the $30K they want for the new vehicles of today, and put all that money into modding the classic...
ok, $10-12K into modding the classic; the other fifteen thousand, save for jet fuel!
then whether your talking net or gross, your looking @600HP/600TQ
minimum.
I know the non-Warrior owners around here would hate me.

...but back to reality, and my V6.

Jaguar D-Type
09-19-2005, 02:57 AM
Now if only GM will BRING THEM BACK!

They might bring the Trans Am back.

GM reverses course, says revised version of Zeta rear-drive architecture is back on track

Automotive News

9/12/05

DETROIT - Six months after General Motors halted plans to use its Zeta rear-wheel-drive car architecture in North America, the company has revived the program.

In an interview with Automotive News last week, Jim Queen, GM's vice president of global engineering, said a revised version of Zeta is back on track.

Engineered at GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, Zeta was expected to be the basis of the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix and GTO; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo and a new version of the Camaro; and other vehicles. Vehicles in the program were expected to debut as early as 2006.

Queen did not discuss vehicles on the new version of Zeta or timing. Some vehicles that could be in the Zeta program include the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as a Chevrolet coupe and sedans. They could debut by the 2009 or 2010 model year, say one company source and one industry analyst.

Queen said initial plans for Zeta stretched the architecture beyond its limits for some North American vehicles. "We needed to reassess and reconfigure the program," he said.

"As we started counting who was in and who was out of Zeta, we realized too late" that Zeta would not work in North America, Queen said.

Part of GM's reasoning in slowing Zeta's development was to focus on pulling forward its full-sized SUVs and pickups. GM's next-generation SUVs will debut early next year.

At the time, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz wrote on GM's FastLane blog that GM had "canceled plans to build rear-wheel-drive vehicles off the Zeta architecture."

"But that does not mean we've canceled plans to build rear-drive vehicles altogether," Lutz wrote. "We are simply reallocating resources (human and financial) to pull some other programs ahead and get other vehicles to market sooner."

The revised Zeta program is being developed in GM's Australian engineering center. The vehicle line executive on the program is Gene Stefanyshyn, the former vehicle line executive for GM's Epsilon, or mid-sized cars, in North America.

A GM spokesman said no product plans have been approved and that GM still is studying design themes, performance characteristics and variants for Zeta vehicles.

GM uses the term "architecture" to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.

Kamilpl3
09-21-2005, 08:23 PM
I just simply love the 4th gen.

You just cant put it into words...

:evillol:

daveshapellSVT
01-09-2006, 12:25 PM
i like the 3rd and 4th gens

Ford hater
01-09-2006, 04:34 PM
My fav is the second gen.

daveshapellSVT
01-10-2006, 01:44 PM
no the third gen is better. lol

ramairgto72
01-11-2006, 03:17 PM
That's why I compared that SD455 to a 318, because those SD455's are dawgs. It's like a boat motor or something.

Well bleed youe wrong, the SD455 is detuned I will grant you that, however what other F body 73-74 was faster? Or how about the same years?

Pontiac did keep the HP fire going all the way to 1979 when Pontiac Died, some say 1978 because the last of the 400s were cast in 78.

Pontiacs T/A program beat the snot out of any car made by chevy, dodge, ford from 73 to 79. You allways hear bad raps on PMD engines for many reasons, and if Mr. P can call a "time out" for a few seconds I'm sure he will be able to add to what I tell you about the SD and HO engines.

The SD and HO program was the high and low point of PMD, for years PMD wanted an engine that would stomp a mud hole in the Hemi and Chevys 454, and to shore up the Drag Race and Nascar seen, they got the engine to late, the engines you so quickly put down are nothing less then Race engines.

I should start first the Pontiac get bad raps from years of Chevy minded Pontiac drivers thinking they can spin it like a Chevy SB, also run lower octane like a Chevy engine.

You could never get a aftermarket crank for a long time, at least on a working mans pay, and the cranks used for beating on, are the same cranks that just live a full life in a GP or worse a GTO, then taken out and slaped into an engine for raceing. Then we get to the people who put the Engines together, most likely a place that only dose Chevys will not put a Pontiac together like it should, now we go on to the rods , just like the crank Pontiac people had no real after market rod, so years of use and SBC headed drivers with heavy aftermarket Pistons took these engines apart.

Now back to the SD HO engines, these engines were built as strong if not more then a 454 chevy, the block was set up for a dry sump oil system, it had a mass of extra cast webbing and a over sized Dist. hole. I'm sure I'm missing something here Mr. P.

The engines were kinda late for the times, those engines were sure to see the RAM AIR V heads that were allmost a 1 off of Fords Tunnel port heads. Those engines are really the pride and joy of PMD, the last push in engine design by PMD before it died.

A simple head change on those engines like to a #12 and a cam change makes thise engine a beast, a real street sweeper.


As far as the Poll I say the 1st and 2nd, the only truely Pontiac Powered F booty Pontiacs.

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