OK guys this is just a dream, but could a well moded P11 beat a WRX Impresa?

Well moded i mean (CAI, Turbo, Cams, Reprogramed ECU, Pullies, Headers, Exhust, Flywheel, timing, injectors etc etc. . . . and a 12 guage to shoot the guy if hes getin to close!)

Just wondering if it can be done.

I think the main concern would be grip as the impeza is 4 wheel drive apposed to front wkeel drive!

Originally posted by Willy Estrada
OK guys this is just a dream, but could a well moded P11 beat a WRX Impresa?

Well moded i mean (CAI, Turbo, Cams, Reprogramed ECU, Pullies, Headers, Exhust, Flywheel, timing, injectors etc etc. . . . and a 12 guage to shoot the guy if hes getin to close!)

Just wondering if it can be done. Turbocharged SR20 engines have reached around 500hp - does that answer your question?

You could beat a stock WRX with im guessing a gti-r setup and some nos in a drag race. The WRX is faster then a Audi S4 Quattro in the 1/4 for god sake. But then again the WRX weighs nothing and has a turbo Boxster engine in it... It's basicly a rice rocket.

Could you beat a WRX? Yeah, in your wettest, wildest dreams.

A WRX would eat your lunch in the 1/4 mile. It would stomp you into a greasy smear 0-60. Unless you turbocharge, you don't stand a chance. And even if you DO go turbo, the WReX has the advantage of all-wheel drive which means his 60' times will be way, way better - especially if you're running street tires. If you get a modded DET you could prolly take him. He'd get out in front at the beginning but with superior horsepower you could make it up in the end.

And that's just against a stock WRX. You can up the boost, remove one (of three) cats, get an exhaust, and you're pushing 250+ horsepower in those babies.

2002 Subaru WRX: 227hp, 3085lb, all-wheel drive.
2001 G20T: 145hp, ~3100lbs, front-wheel drive.

You do the math. :(

I do agree this is a wild and yea maybe wet dream. . . but with turbo i belive it could be close. Now the AWD will defenetly kick our butts.

I just hate lining up to one of those monsters on the street, talk about humiliation!!

So get a T4 (AWD) Primera and turbo it.:devil:

The AWD is not necessarily an advantage in the 1/4. You cannot launch them as hard because they will soon break, and the drivetrain saps lots more power before it gets to the wheels.

AWD does cause more parasitic loss than FWD, but it more than makes up for it with the gain in traction off the line. This is especially true against a FWD car. We're disadvantaged right out of the gate because of weight transfer. It doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't get it to the ground.

What are you guys talking about? The WRX weighs 3125 lbs. (about same as G20). AWD cars are not ideal for drag racing...they are hard to launch well. They only have 227 bhp. Stock they run 14.7 @ 93 mph in the 1/4. Can't beat 14.7? I would think a DET-powered G20 could easily walk a stock WRX.

Originally posted by 2002G20Racer
You could beat a stock WRX with im guessing a gti-r setup and some nos in a drag race. The WRX is faster then a Audi S4 Quattro in the 1/4 for god sake. But then again the WRX weighs nothing and has a turbo Boxster engine in it... It's basicly a rice rocket.

The Audi S4 runs 14.4 in the 1/4, the WRX 14.7.

Heck no you dont have to turbo it to beat a WRX. One of my buddies has a sentra that is running 12.2 quartermiles without turbo or nos. He has his head all replaced with aftermarket stuff(camshafts, camgears, valves, etc..) He has exhaust and a header, intake and a computer. The biggest thing though is he has a Nismo racing stroker kit that bores it from 2 liters to 2.2 liters. He is running solid at 12.2. So you dont necissarily need turbo or nitrrous.

I know a sentra and a g20 weigh different but still it is a pretty close comparison.

yes ,it pocible with all of the bolt ons and some nos.
if we have turbo we kill them.

havent gone up against a wrx on the track yet..however, when i was still NA, there are several times that i've gone head to head with a 2.5RS and no matter what i do, i just cant hold it off and he passes me each time. granted that the car is suppose to be faster than the G20, none-turbo that is.
if you are just looking for a little drag race, i kinda played around with my friend's WRX (with Cusco Zero 2 coilovers!!! so sweeeeeet) and i was able to out accelerate him to 60mph..although he got a faster launch cuz my tires spins so freaking ez..

BTW, no disrespect to my turbo G20, the WRX is a superior car IMO...i love those damn Scoopy-doos!!! i still cant blieve the fact that Tommy Mackinen is gonna drive for subaru..haha, maybe we'll get a Tommy edition of the WRX soon...hhehehe...

Originally posted by Cue-Ball
AWD does cause more parasitic loss than FWD, but it more than makes up for it with the gain in traction off the line. This is especially true against a FWD car. We're disadvantaged right out of the gate because of weight transfer. It doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't get it to the ground. Perhaps some of that weight transfer can be compensated for with adjustable dampers.

Where a FWD car will pile on some revs before leaving the line, the fact that the wheels break loose saves some strain on the drive train.

OTOH, most 4WD cars will break something after a few launches if the clutch is popped with the engine in the power band. With no wheelspin, all that power is putting the drivetrain under strain. The alternative is to leave the line with revs well below peak torque.

Speaking of weight transfer and 4WD cars, I was at a hairpin watching the WRC cars go by in September last year. When they power on, the whole car seems to lift up to full height on it's suspension. It looked like they were leaping out of the blocks ... FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!

Originally posted by Indyg20
Heck no you dont have to turbo it to beat a WRX. One of my buddies has a sentra that is running 12.2 quartermiles without turbo or nos. He has his head all replaced with aftermarket stuff(camshafts, camgears, valves, etc..) He has exhaust and a header, intake and a computer. The biggest thing though is he has a Nismo racing stroker kit that bores it from 2 liters to 2.2 liters. He is running solid at 12.2. So you dont necissarily need turbo or nitrrous.

The WRX and the G20 are fairly close in weight. The WRX has almost 230HP and can launch more quickly. Now, due to the losses caused by AWD, it won't be putting as much power down as a FWD car like the G20. So, just for arguments sake, lets assume that a 210HP (flywheel) G20 would beat a WRX (i'm not saying it would, i don't think it would, but let's just assume it would for this exercise).

So, according to our assumption above, you would need 210+hp to beat the WRX. While you CAN get a naturally aspirated SR20DE over 200hp, it would take a lot more than the bolt on items that were mentioned in the original post. Not to mention the fact that it would cost a hell of a lot of money. Why not just spend $3K on the DET and be done with it?

Also, saying that a Sentra runs 12.2 with those mods, and saying a G20 would are two different stories. The Sentra is a MUCH lighter car (i consider several hundred pounds a *very* significant difference). If you're talking about street-prepped cars with street tires (no 10" wide wrinklewalls) the Subaru is still going to have a HUGE advantage off the line because of it's AWD.

I'd love to see 1/4 mile times from the DET owners on this board. But most of them aren't straight-line racers so i doubt they've even tried. I'm guessing 14.9's to low 15's.

If you can find a non-turbo G20 that would prove me wrong, i'd love to see it. And i'd also like to see how thin the owners wallet is. The plain fact of the matter is that for about the same price as the G20, the WRX is a far superior car if speed and acceleration are what you want. If you want room, comfort, and style, it doesn't hold a candle to the G20.

Originally posted by Cue-Ball


The plain fact of the matter is that for about the same price as the G20, the WRX is a far superior car if speed and acceleration are what you want. If you want room, comfort, and style, it doesn't hold a candle to the G20.



Well spoken.......the WRX is plain ugly! What's up with the Neon's impression headlights? And those foglights, they are the Geo's headlight for crying out loud!!! But I do have respect for its performance. This was one of the other contender that I looked at when I purchased the G20. I couldn't foresee myself being acquinted to those frontal view. Had they kept the look of the 2.5RS, now that is another story....

Originally posted by v_knot


Well spoken.......the WRX is plain ugly! What's up with the Neon's impression headlights? And those foglights, they are the Geo's headlight for crying out loud!!! But I do have respect for its performance. This was one of the other contender that I looked at when I purchased the G20. I couldn't foresee myself being acquinted to those frontal view. Had they kept the look of the 2.5RS, now that is another story....

There are a couple of aftermarket headlight kits for the WRX that look just plain awesome. One of them uses three separate lights per side. Looks very aggressive and nasty.

http://members.telocity.com/~ThienTran/PB040002.jpg

Let me tell you boys a few things! If you want to all 10,000 your cars just to beat a stock WRX you've gort something coming. If they put as much money in thier car as you're spending on your they would so eat you up. Whether it be on the "DRAG" strip or on the road. The WRX has something in the bag for all those hondas and other NOPI cars. They roll off the showroom flow BAD A$$! Subaru has been hiding all this time and now they're gone eat everyone's ass. BOOM. And by the way my Infiniti G20 with nothing and 145,000 miles will eat up a honda VTEC! I don't even waste my time with my Subaru on those cheap hondas. :flipa:

Originally posted by Cue-Ball

2002 Subaru WRX: 227hp, 3085lb, all-wheel drive.
2001 G20T: 145hp, ~3100lbs, front-wheel drive.

:(

Ok I just thought I would bring this up since I have seen this many times before, the curb weight for a p11 g20 is just a little over 2,950 lbs but a lot of people think if weighs over 3,100, just incase you don't believe me check your manual.
Please don't think I'm trying to start a fight or anything I just wanted to clear that up.
I would like to add that I have driven a WRX and it was very fun and quick in a straight line but IMO I think the G handles better and is deffinitly better looking inside and out, I know that Subaru's are good cars but the WRX just kind of felt cheap to me.

Ok to Cue-ball. I know that the weight b/t a sentra and a G20 are a lot different. However my point is you dont need turbo to beat a WRX. The guy that owns a Sentra was a master tech for nissan, mazda, and toyota. He lived in Japan for 15 years and ran a shop with his brother-in-laws. He would work on Skylines and stuff all of the time. My point is he knows what he is talking aobut and he says that he knows for a fact you can builb an 11sec naturally aspirated G20. All i am saying in that our cars can be faster without turbo.

You can do anything with money... and a 11sec N/A G20 would not be able to drive on the street (legally). A 14 second G20 is entirely possible. I'm a good launch away, and that's with a full interior and everything. BTW... I'm at about 92mph in the 1/4... pretty much the same top end speed as a WRX... and I don't even have JWT cams or anything. It could most definitly be faster for cheaper... but then again, i could by a blown motor SE-R, drop in a DET and turbo the piss out of it, run 10's, and still be under the price of a new, stock WRX... but is that a fair comparison... NOPE! :D Stock vs stock, there's no contest, WRX all the way... modded vs. modded... well that changes everything and adds too many ifs ands or buts.... :D

Oh yeah, IndyG20, who's your friend with the stroker kit? Is he on the SE-R list?

WRX ain't that quick. We see plenty of them on the streets of auckland and many.....many NA cars beat them. Granted 4wd does help sometimes, it has many draw backs and inefficencies. I think that any one who has practised launching will give them a good run. I say this with a lot of respect for the dub, but I would be dissapointed if my car didn't walk on it. In the wet it becomes a different story and then the night belongs to the evo-wrx battles. Good fun to watch, not so fun to play with.

plain and simple. WRX is a sexy ass car, PERIOD

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Turbocharged SR20 engines have reached around 500hp - does that answer your question?

Hey Sandy,

I think JUN have made a SR20DE with 700HP as fare as I remember! :o)

I like the WRX. I know a few people who own them.

Just for the record though, the factory rated HP is far off. Every dyno test of a new WRX has shown it to be 150 to 160 whp on a 4wd dyno.


Claimed HP: 227
HP to the wheels: 155 (average) THATS HORRIBLE!!!


The 2 WRX owers I know cannot keep up with my friends stock Integra Type-R. Which is rated 195 HP by Honda.


Also, an IS300 (Altezza) here is rated at 220hp from the factory. On a dyno it puts down 195 HP to the wheels. You do the math!


The WRX isnt the speed demon you think it is. The AWD is hampering it. Not to mention the fact that it has 3 Cats installed on it!!


All in all, I like the car. It handles good. There will be HUGE (already building) aftermarket for it. The AWD feels nice, but the car does not drive like it is a 200HP+ car.


Go buy a used P10 for $5000 and put a DET motor in it, you will eat WRX's all day long. You can get a DET manifold and turbo (used) for very cheap, get a JWT ECU, a front mount intercooler ($2500 for everything installed) and you will be beating WRX's easily.

Here is a link to a guy running 14.15 in his 200sx ser. I know it's not a G but an older p10 is only about 200lbs heavier so I'm sure with the same mods he would be running in the mid 14's and I think that would keep up with the WRX.
http://www.connecticutwebdesign.com/personal/default.htm

Originally posted by b-b00gie
The WRX isnt the speed demon you think it is. The AWD is hampering it. Not to mention the fact that it has 3 Cats installed on it!!
A watered down version of the original! :( Typical of what we get from most Japanese companies.

stock vs stock. as said before there is no comparison

style and reliability. the g20 takes it. simply put the wrx is an ugly ugly car. the one with the tri headlights looks like a monster from the abyss.

tuned. i've seen some crazy sick tuned wrx's that do 0-60 is under 5 in sport compact car. but the sr20de and det have some real possibilities. ben benavides has(maybe had) a crazy 10 second 200sx and streetable.

yes, a heavily tuned g20 can take a wrx but what's the point.

Originally posted by G22DET
BTW, no disrespect to my turbo G20, the WRX is a superior car IMO...i love those damn Scoopy-doos!!! i still cant blieve the fact that Tommy Mackinen is gonna drive for subaru..haha, maybe we'll get a Tommy edition of the WRX soon...hhehehe...

i had no idea he ditched Evos for Scooby's!!!
At least theyve finally got somone after losing the Flying Scot to team Focus:(

Originally posted by Nissan_2.0


i had no idea he ditched Evos for Scooby's!!!
At least theyve finally got somone after losing the Flying Scot to team Focus:(
No big loss! ;) Losing Burns to Peugeot was. That's going to be the team to beat this year.

Dammit, you guys. Quit talking about WRC. You're making me jealous. I *love* watching it when i have the chance but my cable company doesn't offer Speedvision in my area. :(

Originally posted by Cue-Ball
Dammit, you guys. Quit talking about WRC. You're making me jealous. I *love* watching it when i have the chance but my cable company doesn't offer Speedvision in my area. :(
:eek: you poor poor man. :(

Originally posted by NA Racer
WRX ain't that quick. We see plenty of them on the streets of auckland and many.....many NA cars beat them. Granted 4wd does help sometimes, it has many draw backs and inefficencies. I think that any one who has practised launching will give them a good run. I say this with a lot of respect for the dub, but I would be dissapointed if my car didn't walk on it. In the wet it becomes a different story and then the night belongs to the evo-wrx battles. Good fun to watch, not so fun to play with.

All ya need is a boost controller and 3in exaust to run 13's in a rex.

Damn this is a funny ass thread, why even waste time talking about the nasty ass wrx, with the overated horse power, the 3 cats! THREE CATS? the car with the tri headlights that looks like a monster from the abyss(very well said) the nasty ass looking car that feels like a cheap kia from the inside, and a swapmeet looking car that they slapped together from the outside?

This car just plan out SUCKS, put a sr20det, or turbo in your g20 and you'll fly right by the piece of S*%t, people emphasize on the 4 wheel drive so much, just another overated subject, it has it's ups and its down.

Overall, i think the g20 has the looks, the luxury, the style, and the potential for some maaddd power... :D

This post is a waste of time. WRX will eat a SR20, if you know your cars, you'll agree.....
enough said.

Trust me, I've spent most of my life at the track, installing T's on DSMs,
I've seen WRX's in action and checked their specs.


In regards to the post before me, this is not about looks or how
the car feels to `you' since everyone has a different feel of every car.
This thread was about performance :)



4 Wheel Drive overated? haha.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but learn about all wheel drive,
and the Audi Quattro's please. LSD. Eclipse GSX vs
ECLIPSE RS w/Aftermarket turbo.

Trust me, if you ever see an Eclipse GSX <all wheel drive>,
then you'll say it's not over rated :)



WRX would win, it's very simple. Unless it's not fair, and you're racing a 500hp SR20 vs a
stock WRX with little mods haha.

Seriously, WRX/SR20 .. both tuned at 450HP, WRX would kill.
4 Wheel drive is less spin, better take off, no competition.


Learn about AWD please/Audi Quattro/GSX ...

Originally posted by G-Forces

:eek: you poor poor man. :(

i know, him missing out on all the NASCAR and all. :D

I knew about all those up's that the wrx and 4-wheel drive vehicles skater dude :D, My friend has a 4 wheel drive gsx w/ t4 and he burns up the road with no competition(seen him fly by a freggin' souped up 2000 corvette before)!! I just wanted to boost everyones ego that has a g20, cause we're driving g20's, not wrx's...
I still think the wrx looks like a piece of crap, i got mad respect for the performance and the 4wheel drive, they should have swapped the body frames, dang, imagine that, that would have been a crazy ass G.....

By the way, off the subject, the g35 is going to be 4 wheel drive right?

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew

By the way, off the subject, the g35 is going to be 4 wheel drive right?

If I have the administrative previleges, I would direct you to the G35 forum. Lots of discussions there on this subject.

Yes Mr. Administrator :D

Originally posted by G20TurboVisionCrew
By the way, off the subject, the g35 is going to be 4 wheel drive right?

Sorry dude... not gonna happen. Go to the Infinity site (http://www.infiniti.com) and click the Future Models link. She's gonna be rear wheel drive (which will be cool if they ever decide to market one with a manual transmission).

Cheers