I have a freind who says his cousins car could woop my ass so i ask him whats he got he says a subaru wrx sti so i go look at the specs and im thinking pretty good. I was just wondering what you guys think i want a 2nd opinon before i go get my ass handed to me by some rice (and im not saying that in a bad way at all).

this is your very first post and you decide to start a thread about racing a sti huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum I guess race and find out, if you lose oh well you will live to race again, and if you win then I guess you win :uhoh:

maybe redneck should look at this, since he is also building a nova but he is using a 383 small block making more power. but i think he would know more about it then any of us.

if you were stock he'd take you but with the fast burn 385 I think you'd win as long as you can get traction..........

but now i'm thinking thats bs cuz you called it a big block 350

lol all i gots to say to you is AWD launch is great so watch out for it

Ahh so this is where you posted...

I was wondering why you called it a big block myself... nothing big about it.


But like I said in PM, if you can hook up and know how to handle that 5-speed. You should be able to play catch up after the STi ribs you a new poopshoot. Possibly taking it on the top-end...

Who knows... go race, be safe... and let us know what happens.

I called it a big block cause a freind of my freinds dad called it that i didnt understand it much either but i figured what the hell its better then calling it a small block and also ive heard that saying before on a couple of websites i will give you a link if i can find them again. But ya i will go tonight or tommow night to the races were he goes i will tell you guys the outcome. Thanks for the info and setting me straight about the big block small block thing i will change my sig.

calling it a big block is better??? you see you can't pick which one it is the 350 is a small block, always will be.

Ok im posting this right before im getting ready to go to the races, this is f-in crazy. I will probobaly post the result of the race right after i get home see you then.

calling it a big block is better??? you see you can't pick which one it is the 350 is a small block, always will be.

Yeah but a 350 is a big a** engine though.

Wish ya luck, be safe, have fun, and represent!

Yeah but a 350 is a big a** engine though.

compared to import engines yah...but its small compared some of the big blocks like the 502 and 572

Ok i went and raced him and holy shit here is the story:

K a little bit of info before i get to the juicy stuff, a couple of months ago right after i got my tranny i had my dads freind regear it cause he works on trannys for a living, i had him set it so it would reach approximatley 150 mph in the quarter (although i dont think my engine could pull that much but later i found i was wrong).

So me and my freind phone up his cousin a little early cause we know there some big shit going on over in the desert tonight (i dont want to take out someone with my car). So we head over to the desert after filling up (the drive there is about 15-20 min), we get on the freeway and im so excited to race his ass he gets in the middle lane and i punch it even though his car is awd and i know he can out maneuver me so i switch over into the fast lane and im still holding down the gas, as we hit a staight strech of freeway im thinking low traffic what the hell why not as im reaching about 4k on my tach i slam it up into 5th and gun it i see he is about a car length behind and im thinking holy shit my car should have been gone so i decide to let off at about 120 cause i can fell my car getting a little squirely with the pot holes and messed up freeway.

We finally arive at white water road and i start warming up my tires i did the longest ass burn out so i can get my rubber nice and sticky knowing how good awd launch, after the burnout we have my freind stand at the finish line to see who actually wins, me and his cousin decided to do a honk for the go so we line up and i can see my freind down the road and im thinking "here it goes" i rev it up to about 3700 rpm cause the road is nice and hot from the sun. I hear the horn and i drop the clutch my tires started spinning and he took off and im like "aww crap" so i feather a little and get massive ass traction it rams me back in my seat and now im thinking "this is what im talking about" so i slam it into 2nd and floor it i can see he has about 2 car lengths on me (damn tires) i get it up to about 5200k on the tach and pop it into 3rd im catching up he only has about 1 1/2 car lengths on me now as i near the 5200k mark on the tach i pop it into 4th and once again push the pedal through the floor board im only about half a car length behind and now im thinking "i got his ass this is mine" and since i know 5th is my strongest gear i slam it into 5th, we are nearing 130 mph and im hearing my motor start to get a little high but that is when i really puts out those ponys so at 137 mph im even but i know these subarus hit 150 easy but not in the quarter because of lack of torque and HP so as i go roaring by his driver side door with my 385 ftlbs of torque and 385 HP im thinking "thank god". I look at my tach and im reaching 5500 rpm then i glance over at my mph gauge and its at 149 i let off and go through the finish line.

Thank you to all of you guys who told me how to race this guy especially redneck.(Oh and by the way when i say those subarus have a lack of HP and torque i dont mean over all i mean to go that fast in the quarter, for the setup they have they are very powerfull. i say these cause i dont want a peved off sti owner doesnt come to my house and stab me.)

sounds like an awesome race. must have been a really long road

ya it is a pretty long road it is out in the desert, ive driven down the full road before and it is about 12 miles long but were we race till were there is a really sharp turn it is only about 3-4 miles maybe i will go measure it next time im out that way.

Damn that sounds like a great time! Nice race, man.

What tires do you have on there now? You need some meat in the back so you can hook, ya know? Maybe a minitubbing is in order so you can put some massive slicks out back.

So yea, i'm impressed. Now go beat an SRT-4 so some forum members here *cough* realize they're not invincible...

I have some bf goodrich comp drag radials but they dont hook up very well i will add my tire specs to my sig. im looking to buy some hoosier pro street radials. Ya i will go cruizn later on looking for an srt-4 (as if i dont have enough adrenaline in my system already).

The STi owner is a bonehead for racing you longer then a 1/4 mile. Like 250 awhp isn't gonna touch 385. You'd think that he'd have the common sense to keep it to a 1/4 mile run. Oh well, good kill. I think i'll go out and race my EVO against a Supra TT now. :p

Ya, i think that he thought he could get me on the start and then hold it from there but if anybody is experienced (which im not this is only my opinion) you know that any light weight car like the imports now-a-days will take a muscle car off the line cause of the weight differece unless the muscle car owner installs some reall sticky tires and some mad ass traction bars. And the funny thing is that he wants to take me on once i buy my 502hp motor which i will buy in less then 4 days. Here is the link if you want to go check out my motor to be.502hp Racing motor (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2477792803&category=33615#ebayphotohosting)

you sellin the 350 then?? how much??

Take it to PM's guys... try to keep the business off the forums if at all possible.


Thanks.

lol who ever was the STi driver was a moron... racing that long... he hit is Gov so there was no way to beat you...

If you get those hoosier and work on your launches you should be able to take your friend in the 1/4 mile to next time.


Edit: Try to get your next race on video :naughty:

I dont know if i want to sell it i was thinking of sending it to a shop and having them bore it out then strip all the old parts and build a 355ci motor with high tolerance pistons,cam,crank,heads and rods then put a racing super charger with an isane amount of boost but if im short on cash i have to sell it, if i do i will drop you an e-mail. I dont want to start discussing price and all that cause redneck told me to keep the business off the forums. And ill start working on my launches with my bf goodriches then buy me them hoosiers. Thanks for all the positive feedback.

heh i wish i have a straight that long around where i live. every time i race my boys STi i only finish at around 95-100mph. from a roll, hes bumper is around 1 car ahead of my front bumper, so if we went longer, i might start catching up after 105-110mph. but from a stop forget it, i'm toast. he took me by as much as 3 cars off the line once!! i'm scared to race him from a dig. lolz

haha, does he have anything done to his to his sti cause ive noticed that the stock sti although they have alot of power arent fully unleashed. Ive seen 1 or 2 sti's online in some videos that i dont even think had mods they were just tuned really good and those things can fly. anyways keep up the good posts.

To do some more research, if any body is reading this and has an STI and has some mods could you share some information on what mods and what kinda improvment they gave you. Just seeing what kinda supercharger i want to get before i buy it, gotta check out the competion. I dont want to buy a 328psi supercharger for a rail drag when i only need a 18 psi one. supercharger cost alot of :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: . Thanks

aww poor tat the sti are quick no you know how i felt when i loss to you lolz its ok man 1 day we'll bet sti and evo8 to you might get there first but its all good.. good race jonnyboy9012..
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sorry wrong thread

sorry wrong thread

wtf :screwy: :loser: :screwy:

im tired of having threads like this. all it does is clutter up the forums. if ur gonna race, do it, and if its good tell us about it later. we can talk all we want about who will win but it comes down to who does win during the race

Haha, "sorry wrong thread" why even post if its the wrong thread. oh well if anybody lives in so cal near pomona my sisters boyfreind is looking for someone to race he has a supercharged F-150.

im tired of having threads like this. all it does is clutter up the forums. if ur gonna race, do it, and if its good tell us about it later. we can talk all we want about who will win but it comes down to who does win during the race

Hey matty maybe you want to read all the way thrugh the thread before you post some attituded bitchy shit. I did race way before you posted your bitchy reply. ARE YOU BLIND :disappoin :loser:

Hey matty maybe you want to read all the way thrugh the thread before you post some attituded bitchy shit. I did race way before you posted your bitchy reply. ARE YOU BLIND :disappoin :loser:

:rofl: Hey jonnyboy what do you have done to the 350? 383 is not bad from a naturally aspirated 350. Sounds like an intense race, try to keep it safe on those roads. :cheers:

Hey thanks for the laughs. Im getting 385 hp and 385 ftlbs of torque from my 350 you mistaked my saying 383 beacause earlier in my thread i said i was gonna get a 383ci motor that makes 502hp and 540ftlbs of torque which im going to back with a procharger supercharger im hoping to get the car to 1000+ hp but i just hope the cops dont pull me over and make me dyno it if i gt that setup.

sorry, 385 hp! So what have you done to the 350 to get that? And you say you can get 500+ from a 383? I would like to meet your mechanic.

haha, I have no mechanic. I bought the 385 HP 350 from jegs i would post a link but redneck told me to keep the buisness off the boards and the 383 with 500+ hp im getting from ebay its made by rivers racing motors. The 350 had 385 at the fly so i had to do some carb tunning and i ran it off high octane fuel when it was dynoed (did it so i wouldnt have the HP reducing nocks). If you want me to give the links so you dont think im bs'ing write me an e-mail or even better catch me on AIM.

Haha, "sorry wrong thread" why even post if its the wrong thread. oh well if anybody lives in so cal near pomona my sisters boyfreind is looking for someone to race he has a supercharged F-150.


A few kids around so cal... and all of them are out to get me! hahaha..


I'm pretty darn close to Pomona... What kind of s/c f-150 is this?? Lightning? Harley edition or just some custom one? Hit me up on Aim or something.

FYI:
b/c this is good knowledge...
dragsters only run about 45PSI on their s/c's...
a good street s/c for your car would be 10-15 psi...

I tried to catch you on AIM but you werent there. From what he has told me and ive seen its just a regular F-150 with a triton V-8 and an after market supercharger kit, i dont know exactly what his s/c makes but i do know that we went against a little porche looking thing (not sure what in the hell it was) and we beat it.

We were going up redlands boulevard and at about the 3rd stoplight heading towards the freeway a little porsche looking thing shows up, he starts throwing revs at all the stop lights until the last one were you get onto the freeway at, so my sisters boyfreind revs back (its got dual flowmasters) and you hear the sweet little whine from under his hood and this guy looks at us thinking he just had exhaust, So the light hits green and were off since this is truck and has a light back end he spins all the way through first and gets some slipage through 2nd but nothing bad, as the guy has about 3 car lengths on us we start catching up and just were it starts merging into one lane we are at his door we go side by side in this cramped little merge, as we get onto the freeway the trucks s/c really starts to kick in and we get about 1/4 a car length on the guy then shut down. pretty close race but we still won.

I have a wrx so its similar to the sti. The sti will dyno at 264 whp and with a turbo back exhaust it'll get 291whp. with engine managment, injectors and the right turbo it can get to 400whp.

Thanks for the input, thats alot of horsepower from a V-6 (i think).

The STi is, surprisingly enough, a 2.5-liter flat-four (boxer engine). Wouldn't seem like a four-cylinder could get that fast :)

I have a wrx so its similar to the sti. The sti will dyno at 264 whp and with a turbo back exhaust it'll get 291whp. with engine managment, injectors and the right turbo it can get to 400whp.
They dynoed one in Import Tuner to the tune of 249 awhp. What magazine did you see it dyno that high in?

Ok guys you are not going to belive this i just finished watching a video of a buick with twin turbos that made 1046whp and i thinking wow thats a shit load and he smoked the tires even with the dynos rotors there, i almost fell over watching it.

So then in my sig it says im getting a pro charger super charger (which is under the hood by the way) for my next mod and im wondering how much horse power it is going to give me so im reading through the specs and i find one it makes 38psi of boost :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: and i fell over in my chair when i saw that then got back up and looked at the max boosted HP and it says 1600 OMFG!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i flew off my chair and took my mouse and keyboard with me. Is there even a way to get grip with 1600, im thinking get some metal spikes to dig into the assphalt.

And one more thing, does anyone know if this car will be street legal ive never reasearched if there is a max HP limit.

Here is a link to the spec sheet of my supercharger http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml

That twin-turbo Buick was more than likely a 1986 or 1987 Regal Grand National. Are you sure it was twin-turbo? I'm pretty sure most people just run one turbo on GN's.

http://www.turboxs.com/txs_tbe_sti.htm the wrx dyno seemed a little happy too.

My friend, guy I know frome clubwrx, wants to put 400whp up here(colorado).

That's a highly optimistic dyno. Thanks for posting it though.

Id say by only 10-15whp, but if you check the wrx stage packages it looks right wrx: 168whp stock 25% loss and the sti has a much better drivetrain so lower percent at around 17%(250whp). I got in an "argument" about how much whp the stock sti makes and 17% is what they said.

I found another page that seems to be more accurate for the sti however there is an evo that makes the same whp as the sti or more stock. so that doesn't seem accurate eather.

the car you're referring to (the GN) has a twin turbo LT1 in it.
you can clearly see 2 turbos sticking through the hood.
hella old video.

I haven't done any power mods to the STi, all the mods I have done have been suspension and driveability, but there is A LOT to be gained in the suspension.

There are actually about the same drivetrain losses in the STi as in the WRX. The advantages of the STi drivetrain are only really apparent in cornering. Basically, the STi sacrifices a bit of efficiency for improved driveability.

The STi and WRX are totally different cars. Having driven all 3 on a road course, the 1999 Impreza 2.5RS is much closer in overall driving characteristics to the 2002 WRX than the 2002 WRX is to the STi. The front and center differentials on the STi lead to some very strange handling characteristics that do not occur on the WRX, RS, or any other car I have ever driven before, and as a result make it very difficult to drive at the limit of what the car will do. That having been said, the STi setup is definitely faster and has more potential even with the same power, it's just more difficult to get the most out of it.

I found another page that seems to be more accurate for the sti however there is an evo that makes the same whp as the sti or more stock. so that doesn't seem accurate eather.
The Subaru WRX STi dynos about 15-20 whp higher then the EVO on the average. Of course when the MR arrives that will be a different story. :)

MR similar to the RS? If mitsu brings the evo MR/RS over maybe subaru will bring the spec C then I'll realy be a different story. I'd love to see a spec C vertion of the 2.5L

So then in my sig it says im getting a pro charger super charger (which is under the hood by the way)

Naw dude I think they go in the back seat

RS is nothing special really, but the MR has got loads of new technology, and makes about 10 more horsepower/25 more lb-ft. I'd love to see a Spec-C as well, but I have a feeling the regular STi is gonna outsell the Evo 8 MR anyways.

Naw dude I think they go in the back seat

The only reason i said it was under the hood is because most super chargers for muscle cars stick out of the hood, this one from procharger is under the hood. I wasnt taking you people as ignorant if thats what you thought i was saying.

well only roots type blowers stick out of the hood. and you will need to change and play with the pullys on the super to get that much power. oh and you probably dont want to put and kinda of forced induction on that 383 your talking about getting because its has 10:1 comp and that is to much for FI. you would need to drop it down to like 8 or 8.5 if you want to make alot of power. when your dealing with FI .5less in your compresstion and turning up the boost a little will make more than adding the .5 and turning up the boost. the higher the compression ratio the more the two forces are working agenst eachother. and yes that GN is twin turbo. it is a old video but damn its a great one. oh yes, and jonny, i really do have a 68 chevelle.

only roots type blowers stick out of the hood?
A. not all roots have to stick out of the hood
B. twin screws can
C. i've seen big centrifugal setups that do
D. turbos can
E. NA ramjet intake manifold with carbs can
F. velocity stacks on NA engines can

if you want to make the same power as the blower (comparatively) with your compression ratio, get some nitrous.
you should be able to run a 100 shot EASY.

High compression AND high boost is the way to make the most power, but it requires some really fine tuning. 10 psi on 8.0 compression will make a lot less power than 10psi on 10.0 compression, but it will be a lot safer...

The motor im getting is a 383 with 10.1:1 compression, Then im going to back it with a super charger with 38 psi. Im thinking im going to have to rebuild my motor alot cause i plan on driving it to and from school and also to and from work plus all the little weekend street races and the occasional go from the stop light.

I seriously doubt you'll be able to drive it much of anywhere. Maybe it'll last for a 1/4 mile pass before you need to rebuild it.

only roots type blowers stick out of the hood?
A. not all roots have to stick out of the hood
B. twin screws can
C. i've seen big centrifugal setups that do
D. turbos can
E. NA ramjet intake manifold with carbs can
F. velocity stacks on NA engines can

if you want to make the same power as the blower (comparatively) with your compression ratio, get some nitrous.
you should be able to run a 100 shot EASY.

we were refering to muscle cars. spacificaly the 60's and 70's. i have seen many other kinds of FI sitcking out of the hood of different cars, the GN video that have been going around AF for a long time is a perfect example of that, but again we were spacificaly refering to his car. now i have never seen any other type of FI sticking out of the hood of an old car except a roots type blower. care to show me a pic of one, it would not surprise me if it has been done but not very oftern and i have never seen it. now yes i have seen velocity stacks sticking out of the hoods and also im asuming when you say ramjet you mean tunnel rams and i have seen that too but again we were refering to FI so both of those do not matter one bit.

i realize you're talking about old FI cars, but think quick...
stillen's s/c kit for the 350z requires cutting the hood, or getting a bigger hood.
there are s/c kits available that stay under the hood, roots style included...

ok but again we were refering spacificaly to his car, or an old car as you put it also. im not trying to start anything or be an ass but really come on. his car is a 72 nova. not a 350Z. yes there are roots type blowers that stay under the hood. but we were talking about FI that does NOT stay under the hood of a 72 nova. not a 350Z or any other type of car.

i'm well aware...
just clarifying.
i know exactly what's up with the novas, my best friend has a 73 that runs 11's.
it's a 350, built, edelbrock heads/intake manifold/carb...
with 8.5:1 comp. and a 100 shot of nitrous, it runs mid 11's.
that's with new slicks, wheels, and a stiffened suspension.
he's caging it now, pulling more weight (he took about 300lbs. out of it over the winter) and is planning to either add more nitrous, or upping the compression...

ok good. now that you know what a nova is why did you say anything about a 350Z and all the other things that could stick out of a hood of any car. thats all that im talking about. i know my statement was not correct for all cars on the plannet, like a 350Z. so now that we have gone over this many times just dont try to correct me when by saying there are other options when you are refering to something other than what we are spacificaly talking about, in this case a 72 nova.

you're not trying to start anything or be an ass?
really?
that sounds like you being an ass.

i was simply referring to the fact that there are other types of air induction that can stick through the hood, regardless of the year/era you're talking about.

so, take your own word, and stop being an ass about it.
geezus.

well i might be getting a little annoyed. like you said... "i was simply referring to the fact that there are other types of air induction that can stick through the hood, regardless of the year/era you're talking about.", well we were talking spacifcaly, atleast i was and then you basicaly say im wrong.
who cares about other cars. thats my point. this was not about other cars so as far as i look at it there was absolutly no point for what you said. get it. who cars about other cars, as far as this thread goes. IT WAS ABOUT A 72 NOVA. not "other cars". so why say anything about other cars. i get you were talking about other cars but, do so when other cars are being refered to. you used what i said out of context. thats been my point all along. you took what i said and applyed it to other things. basicaly saying i was incorect. well guess what i was not. if you finaly get what im saying, good. but as far as this goes what you said was completly usless info, it had nothing to do with what we were talking about, again a 72 nova, not a 350Z or other cars, so who cars about those other cars. now that we have caused this thread to get WAY off topic this is that last i will post arguing with you because im willing to bet no matter what i say you will not get it. and im also willing to bet that you will have soemthing to say because you seem to be the type of person who must always have the last word. i cant wait to read it but from your other posts you seem to be kinda stubborn and not wanting to think a little. i have also come to think of you as a knowlegeable person with regard to cars. to me you also seem like one of those people that once they think something one way they dont think any more about it or that there is any other way. now do you agree with me that what you said had absolutly nothing to do what was being discused or do you not get that still? here lets try this one. do you agree that what you said had nothing to do with a 72 nova? you keep avoiding some of the things i say becuase i think you know im right. im not saying your wrong im just saying in this case what you said did not matter or have anything to do with a 72 nova so why say it at all? now im done, sorry for killing a thread. i hope it can get back on topic.

i like how you're writing books about it, instead of dropping it.
you said what you said. i stopped talking about it.
do you really want to drag this thread further off topic why writing a book?

there is no "on topic" for this thread, b/c by this point, we're not (in the topic of the thread) talking about a nova vs. an sti anymore anyways...

so it's really a moot point.

wow that went down hill fast. anyways, with that 10.1:1 compretion and 38psi are you going to try and run it on pump gas? 38psi is huge unless your talking about absolute psi in the piston then it make more sence.

i would hope he will be running race gas. i dont think it would take it on pump gas. im wondering if it would be streetable at all.

Yes i plan to run it on racing fuel when i have it up to 32 psi but i was looking at a valve that lets me choose my superchargers psi . When it reaches its designated psi it opens, letting me choose the pressure i want to run it at on the street. But when i take it to the track i will plug up the bored and tapped hole to get the full 32 psi of boost.

Yes i plan to run it on racing fuel when i have it up to 32 psi but i was looking at a valve that lets me choose my superchargers psi . When it reaches its designated psi it opens, letting me choose the pressure i want to run it at on the street. But when i take it to the track i will plug up the bored and tapped hole to get the full 32 psi of boost.

Sounds like an extremely ghettofied setup. If you want to adjust boost easily, get a turbo instead. They're much more efficient anyways.

32psi...
do you know what you've honestly got to do to run that?
you won't be able to street that at all.
ever.

No i dont think it is a ghetto fied setup at all, and no i dont want a turbo becuase ive heard alot of bad things about it mainly because they run off of the exhaust, im not saying there bad but i have heard bad things, and yes i know what i have to do to run 32psi of boost im getting a 383ci motor from rivers racing motors in atlanta georgia. The motor im getting is going to be specialized for the amount of pressure im going to run. If you guys want to see my setup when im done just come down to palm springs, i will go by you like your standing still jj.

well let me know when you get it done cuz im not that far away. i dont mindhaving fun racing you even if i lose, cuz ill make you push it harder and harder till it blowes up. yeah and if you drive it much i think it will eventualy.

what bad things have you heard about turbo setups?
do tell.
what's bad about running off the exhaust?
heat? you can get around that.
lag?
not if you've got a strong motor already.
so what have you heard?

this sounds like the "nitrous will blow your motor up" myth...
unfounded, and based on one person's misfortunes/misconceptions

yeah now i totaly have to agree with flylwsi, there are more good things than bad about turbos. wait isnt there ony one somewhat bad thing, turbo lag. but like he said, doesnt matter if the engine is already srtog enough. they are way more eficiant. also you dont have to run a belt witch is causing you to lose a little more power off the engine. ok well i can think of one more big difference, the cost of custom headers for the turbo, and everything else that need to be done. but i still think turbos are better, posibly the best type of FI.

custom headers for turbo isn't always true.
if you want a cheap junkyard setup, flip the stock headers upside down and swap sides, they'll face up, toward the front of the car.
get adapters made, and bolt the turbos there.
not expensive.

also, there are companies that build turbo manifolds for most v8's, especially domestics

damn, i never thought about fliping the manifolds or headers upside down, but you wouldnt have to swap sides cuz that would make them face the back and there is no room back there. also do you have any sights that make turbo manifolds for V8's. eventualy when i get a new enigne built i want to run twin turbos and thats the main thing i still need to find where to get.

i dont want a turbo becuase ive heard alot of bad things about it mainly because they run off of the exhaust

What's bad about that? That's the main reason why they're more efficient. They're run by energy that would normally be wasted in the exhaust stream.

edit: guess I should have read the last page before I posted that :p

damn, i never thought about fliping the manifolds or headers upside down, but you wouldnt have to swap sides cuz that would make them face the back and there is no room back there. also do you have any sights that make turbo manifolds for V8's. eventualy when i get a new enigne built i want to run twin turbos and thats the main thing i still need to find where to get.
( i said you'd have to flip sides as well)

www.vecco.net makes em for mustangs, i'm sure he could do them for your car...

there's a local place that makes them for mustangs, and i'm sure they'd be able to make more applications...
just do a google search for v8 turbos, i'm sure you'll find something

thanks for the sight. im actualy concidering getting a 5.0 so that helps for that too. and i know you said you swap sides. but read what i said again. you would not need to becuase if you flip the upside down that would already put the flange tword the front of the engine.

i guess i meant flip them over (not 360 degrees, just to the other side of the engine, which would put them facing back), then forward...
so yeah, just 360 degrees would do it

Here are the bad things ive heard about turbos. Ive heard that the heat in from the exhaust causes them to wear out faster, ive heard that since they run off the exhaust it reduces horse power cause its just one more thing to get by while the exhaust gas is tryingt to escape, ive heard if you have to have to buy new headers or customize the old ones for them to work, and i know just by loggical reasoing that they take longer to spool up than a super charger, thats why when you here a turbo supra rev up you cant here the turbo until the higher rpm but i have a video of a super charged (blown) 70's cuda that even at idle you can here the s/c, and when he barely revs it (2000rpm) you can here a massive wine. Tell me if im wrong.

edit: and i dont know of one turbo charger that can make 38psi,you know what the crazy thing is i found one that makes 40psi :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

torbos are made to run off the exhaust so they are going to wear just fine. it does not reduce horespower, the superchargers like your talking about however do. yes you need totaly different headers. and yes it takes longer for the turbo to spool becuase you need to get the exhaust flowing enough to spin it. but you can have a turbo spool up quick or slow depending on the turbo. some spool faster than others. they will acutaly cause less wear on your engine that a supercharger. oh and you wont ever hear a turbo wine. well you shouldnt, atleast to my knoweldge. you hear superchargers or a roots type blower becauase of the way they are designed. superchargers like the one you want is gear driven inside. that what wines. turbos dont have gears in them so you dont get a whine. you will hear the blow off valve once the let off the throtle though. all and all aside from the price of getting the manifolds and everything else you would need turbos are better.

oh yeah, also the gears is why if a car has the "noise" timing gears instead of a timing chain or belt, it souds like it is blown. cuz the gears meshing the way they do is what makes it whine.

YEah, but turbo's DO scream like a banshee once you get them going

turbos scream like that once the wastegate opens, if it's an external (illegal, but sounds awesome)

custom headers, yes.
but for an SC application, you need "custom" parts as well...
so that's even.
turbos are designed to deal with high heat, that's why they're oil cooled.
just like your motor.
so if your motor can deal, so can a turbo.
spool time?
that's an issue on BIG ASS turbos.
put a pair of t3/t4's on a v8 that already has over 300hp, and you won't notice a lag issue at all.

keep in mind that supras with spool issues are also running ONE turbo, not two.
so if you run twins on a v8, you'll have great power, no noticeable lag, and lots of fun.

What sold me on turbo's a long time ago was the fact that in the Formula 1 Turbo era (late 70's - early 80's I believe) they were producing 1,500 hp with 75 psi on a 1.5 liter engine.

That right there proves that turbocharging is the most efficient way of gaining horsepower, ever.

no argument...
that's why turbo'd 6 cyl. motors with 1300 hp are running equal times to equally powered v8s with twice the displacement...
i can't wait for the nhra to decide that a pair of t78's on a 700CID v8 is the way to go!

Yeah I'm not real big on drag racing... not sure what they're running now, but have they ever ran turbos? Probably afraid of the insane power it would give them...

I would twin-turbo my mustang if I had the cash. Junkyard style and with mega-squirt/EFI etc. Not there yet though.

nhra hasn't run them, and they don't allow electronically controlled fueling either, which would be far more cost efficient, not to mention safe...
turbos are too modern for them, they like that old school tech.

Yeah I never understood the low tech guys who would strap turbos on their engines and not run EFI. That's just insane... a problem waiting to happen. :screwy:

Can't stand carbeurators to begin with... much less think of adding a turbo to the mix. Ugh.

I'm not down with low-tech even though I road-race a '65 Mustang... I would much rather have new technology and an old shell. (thank you TCP).

For a Top Fuel or Funny Car, the Supercharger is a better solution that tne turbo because there is no time for the turbocharger to spool up. There is a bit of top end power loss, but these cars don't operate at very high RPM's, where the Turbos would be better. Keep in mind that these cars are direct drive (basically no transmission) and their engine life is measured in revolutions. In the avertage run for these cars, the total number of revolutions from the green light to finish line is about 350.

The top fuel cars also push so much nitomethane out the exhaust that the heat in a turbo would likely cause it to ignite inside the turbocharger. Not good.

edit: and i dont know of one turbo charger that can make 38psi,you know what the crazy thing is i found one that makes 40psi :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You can make far, far, far more boost than that with a turbo... In fact with series turbocharging (running the compressor outlet of one turbo to the compressor inlet of another) 150psi or more is attainable.

In the 80's some team experimented with a turbo funny car. With only a 15% nitromethane mixture (standard at the time was 90%) they made so much power no transmission of the era would hold up to it. Not long after they abandoned it.

Ok if you guys want me to get hooked on turbos then i need a link to a site that sells turbo kits for carbureted small and big block chevy engines.

LOL. see thats the problem. to my knowledge there isnt one. there probably is someone in the world that makes them cuz i have seen turboed sbc's but i dont know anyone who sells everything. you are going to have to do alot of the work yourself probably or get it custom done. if anyone does know who makes them for small block chevys, atleast a manifold or header, please please give us a link. as for carbed, i would say if you are going to spend the money get a EFI conversion and run EFI on your car. otherwise you could use a carb inclosure from a super. i think its vortec that has one. like i said, turbos are better but the money for having everything customized is the problem. i have a friend who ownes a machine shop, a hi tech one, who im concidering hitting up on getting into making stuff like that. he already makes some things for cars like some canister thing that i have no idea what its for other that something with cars, and he also makes caps for pressure bleading brake systems. there aluminum and different colored anidizing. but he has also make gun scopes and lots of other stuff for people. i almost want to see if he is interesting in getting into making turbo stuff and other things for domestic V8's. oh also a few pages back flylwsi posted a sight that has kits for 5.0 mustangs. so you might check that out and see if they can make headers with a chevy flange on them though.