Well I thought I should post this since my modest claims were unfairly discredited.

I ran a 13.63@103.59 with a shitty 60' of 2.25s.

The 1/8 on this run was 8.8@82.65 which equates to a

0-60 of 4.7s

Note to 3KSL95: Sorry I have now shown more evidence I am faster than the fastest stock VR4s to 60mph.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/upfiles/23335/Ca82788.jpg

very nice!

That car is just awsome bro. Your MPH through the traps indicates we can expect some even lower times from you!

MPH through the traps indicates we can expect some even lower times from you!

Yeah that is what I am thinking. My best trap was 104.58 and I still haven't got a 60' under 2.25!! Next week I am going for the clubgp 2004 GP record of 13.51s.

Maybe I'll do some weight reduction hmmmm...

sweet run man......love the new GTP body styles by the way

that is wierd how a vr4 running 13.5 with a nasty awd launch is at a 0-60 in 4.8 and yours is at 4.7, that would seem as if you slow down drastically.
since you posted the slip i'll leave it alone but who's to say which one you ran, and what kind of car did you run that ran a 14.2?

sorry i seem like i don't beleive you but those 0-60 times do seem off and odd. anyhow nice run

i was gonna say something but i can't be arsed. Nice run.

sorry i seem like i don't beleive you but those 0-60 times do seem off and odd. anyhow nice run

I don't think my car has quite the acceleration a VR4 does after 60mph. I don't know man, it isn't like that conversion is exact. But you can tell by comparing my 1/8 and 1/4 traps and times how the car is dissproportionally faster in the first 1/8 mile.

It was Mustang night but I am not sure what I raced with the 14.2s time. Do you have a time slip you can post to compare?

i was gonna say something but i can't be arsed. Nice run.



What was it? :biggrin:

since you posted the slip i'll leave it alone but who's to say which one you ran, and what kind of car did you run that ran a 14.2?


I just realized you are doubting the fact that I ran in the right lane on that time slip. Atleast it seems that way.

1. Only the winner gets the white slip.

2. I have three other slips I could post that show the same disproportional 1/8 to 1/4 times.

The other times I got were:
13.79@104.59 w/ 2.39
13.77@103.75 w/ 2.40
13.81@104.03 w/ 2.48

Call the track and ask about me if you still don't believe me. This wednesday if I go again I will get a pic of the car with the number on the winshield at the track, so you can verify the lane on the 13.4s slip I post.

Those are real good times for your car. 13.6 in a GTP is very good.

Good runs. I guess most people haven't run GTP's/ Regal GS's at the track. They pull real hard through the 1/8th mile, then they get bitch slapped in the face through the rest of the 1/8th. Here is an example of my run w/ my former Z28 on N20 versus a heavily modified GTP.
Me Him
60' 2.318 1.966
300' 5.877 5.553
1/8 8.708 @ 87.328 8.544 @ 83.026
1/4 13.139 @ 111.622 13.330 @102.819

ok, i beleive you, its all good buddy. i once had a turbo charged civic hatch stay on the line with me with my launch and then i just pulled on him and that was that. so i never said i didn't beleive you it just seems off, the times and all. but you've proved your truth no need for any more proof.

Well that sure is a good running car! I bet you've suprised your share of Camaros and Mustangs at stop lights, lol.

Yay, good run man. definitely do the weight reduction and get that record!

Yay, good run man. definitely do the weight reduction and get that record!

Thanks, I am going to try. There was a sick M3 running 12.5s yesterday. What do you need to do to a mid 90's M3 to get it to run mid12s?

Well i'll say this much, your car is probably faster then a 3000GT VR4. I wouldn't claim victory over them 0-60 wise. Not by a long shot. Have you raced one yet? They can pull off consistant 1.9 sec. 60' times stock (That's w/o an aftermarket clutch). Just for reference that is about 6 tenths of a sec. off of your 1/4 mile time, if you pulled that 60' time. I raced a 3000 GT VR4 that was modified, and well, you'd have to do alot of work to even touch the guy I raced against. It doesn't take much to modify a 3000GT VR4/ Stealth R/T TT. Race one and see how you fair. Well that's my advise. I'd race you in my EVO. I can guarantee i'd have a hole shot advantage on you outta the hole :p

Well I am not certain of the accuracy of the conversion on the site I referred to in the "smoked a camaro" thread. But my 1/8 mile converts to a 4.67. Do you have a time slip with your 1/8 on it to compare? I have seen time slips from some VR4s. The 330' from a lightly modded one that ran a 13.4@105 was 5.8s w/ 2.14 60'. My 330' on a 13.6@103 was a 5.8s w/ 2.25 60'.
I think I am correct to conclude I can run a very similar if not better 0-60mph than a stock VR4 that runs 13.4-13.6s

The VR4s times:

------R/T----60'---330'----1/8----1/4-----MPH
1st:-1.135--1.956--5.551--8.529--13.191--105.50
2nd:--.557--2.081--5.697--8.701--13.386--105.04
3rd:--.301--1.876-5.421--8.386--13.048--105.52
4th:-1.043--2.146--5.816--8.799--13.480--105.14
5th:-1.009--2.006--5.573--8.530--13.173--105.90
6th:--.708--2.100--5.746--8.726--13.384--105.63
7th:--.560--2.015--5.609--8.582--13.246--105.47
8th:--.512--1.918--5.479--8.451--13.124--105.16*
9th:--.585--1.920--5.440--8.377-12.990--106.35

I'd race you in my EVO
I would race you but what are you running?

I believe those conversion factors that you are using are for FWD and RWD cars. I don't believe that they are accurate for an AWD car. My buddies car pretty much blows your car out of thw water, well that and mine too (What do you expect he has 440 rwhp). He runs in the low 8's 1/8 mile wise. 0-60 wise he tells me that he has to catch up with the 3000 GT VR4. If you want i'll be at Speedway. I know it a far drive for you (over 200 miles). I'll show you what an AWD car can do from a dig though. Heck just to make it interesting, if you beat me i'll pay your entrance fee (I believe that's about $20-25). I guarantee you 0-60 wise you won't see my car, and those conversion factors aren't accurate for my EVO.

Sure no problem but hte entrance fee will be $15

The only thing I would like to see first is your 60', 330', and your 1/8 trap and time. How could your 330' be slower than mine if I am slower in the 0-60 by any significant amount.

SOME ONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME

Well the times I just posted earlier were for my N20 burning 2000 Z28. You will be facing my near bone stock 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO.

Well the times I just posted earlier were for my N20 burning 2000 Z28. You will be facing my near bone stock 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO.

What, you have never raced it at the track?

I haven't taken the EVO to the track yet. I've only gotten Gtech Pro Competition times for it. Let's just say it will be Very close.

I haven't taken the EVO to the track yet. I've only gotten Gtech Pro Competition times for it. Let's just say it will be Very close.

Cool, it should be interesting. It is a loooong drive but I really want to get that 2.1 60' and a 13.4s time.

I love AF member races!

DO IT!

Sure no problem but hte entrance fee will be $15

The only thing I would like to see first is your 60', 330', and your 1/8 trap and time. How could your 330' be slower than mine if I am slower in the 0-60 by any significant amount.

SOME ONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME

that was my point, i didn't understand, it didn't really make any sense to me either

It's all about the torque band... The supercharged 3800 V6 has 90% of it's peak torque available from under 1800 rpms all the way to redline. You don't need big peak numbers when you make it the whole time. ;)

It also explains the 0-60. Once the tires hook, the 3.8L pulls like a rocket. But while the pushrods are great at producing power at the low end, their high end performance leaves musch to be desired. The engine just runs out of air. This combined with a dog of a third gear in the 4 speed slush box doesn't help the topend at all, giving it a fairly low trap.

That sounds like my car skavoovie.

Are these stats accurate? If so I don't stand a chance. Why would you want to race something nearly a second slower in the quarter?
These stats are for a stock EVO and yours is lightly modded so I assume you would be deep into the 12s.

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_060_z.jpg

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_quartm_z.jpg

That sounds like my car skavoovie.

Are these stats accurate? If so I don't stand a chance. Why would you want to race something nearly a second slower in the quarter?
These stats are for a stock EVO and yours is lightly modded so I assume you would be deep into the 12s.

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_060_z.jpg

http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_quartm_z.jpg

It's been largely accepted that the Evo in that test was a ringer. Although a stock Evo is capable of LOW 13's, most of the ones tested by magazines were in the mid 13's, which is where 2000LS1's is at.

That might be quiet a difficult race for you GTP. But here is what I say, "Whether you win or lose, your car still comes out looking better"

I think the 2004 Grand Prix look better than the EVOs. Maybe the ego will boost you .10 seconds lower in the 1/4 mile :lol:

Are these stats accurate? If so I don't stand a chance. Why would you want to race something nearly a second slower in the quarter?
These stats are for a stock EVO and yours is lightly modded so I assume you would be deep into the 12s.
As stated previously. That EVO was a runner. Most EVO's are running a mid 13 sec. 1/4 mile. I just had a catback exhaust system installed. The car should run mid to low 13's. Your mph should be noticeably higher then my car. It's probably due to the 30 rwhp you probably have on my car. To be honest i've been racing for awhile and I am banking on winning due to traction. The track is somewhat slick IMO. If Martin goes you will learn alot about your car and how to fine tune it. He may bring his laptop and tuning maps with him. BTW his car runs low 12's, and is identical to yours.

BTW his car runs low 12's, and is identical to yours.

You are not saying he has the same mods and is running low 12s are you? I haven't tuned my car as I am waiting for DHP's rep to come out to Cali next week and tune all the 04s in the NCCGP.

hell its all fun, just race

Yeah I'll race but I still like to figure out beforehand if I'll even have a chance. I guess if he has a slightly poor launch I have a shot at it. Remember 2000LS1Z28, its $15 to race. I'll be bringing a camera woman.
:)



Is that Martin Rangel?

my apologies jeff, congratulations thats one hell of a run. :iceslolan

No of course he has more mods then you. He also has slicks. You should ask him to borrow them. I don't plan on losing. That way you won't get me to pay the entrance fee. :p

No of course he has more mods then you. He also has slicks. You should ask him to borrow them. I don't plan on losing. That way you won't get me to pay the entrance fee. :p

Right that would be great if he was there, his car must be putting out some crazy horsepower. Chuck P. might be bringing his 13.5s GTP as well.

that would be really cool if you guys did race. i have no doubt that a GTP can pull that kind of 1/8 mile time at the track, since hte track surface is alot more sticker then a dirty street surface. so he probrably won't be spinning his tires very much. but its the top end that he will lose by.

Say you did say that you will meet me at Speedway right? It is on May 29th. Make sure to be there early, cause alot of cars will be there.

Say you did say that you will meet me at Speedway right? It is on May 29th. Make sure to be there early, cause alot of cars will be there.

May 29th?

I thought you were going to be there tommorow. :smile:
So Martin will be there on the 29th?

Well I thought I should post this since my modest claims were unfairly discredited.

I ran a 13.63@103.59 with a shitty 60' of 2.25s.

The 1/8 on this run was 8.8@82.65 which equates to a

0-60 of 4.7s

Note to 3KSL95: Sorry I have now shown more evidence I am faster than the fastest stock VR4s to 60mph.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/upfiles/23335/Ca82788.jpg

Yes your 0-60 time is faster but you have to know that a 4.8sec 0-60 for the VR4 carriers the car farther because we do not have traction issue. My 1/4 mile is 13.55 @ 103MPH. Your trap speed is faster but when we launch, the launch carries the VR4 farther during the 0-60 mph then when you reach 0-60. If you know what iam talking about it's kinda hard to get.

anyone raced a SRT-4 vs. a GTP yet? im a fan of gtp's, but im wondering if a gtp could keep up. I know theres alot of hype over srt's.

Overhyped.

So Martin will be there on the 29th?
He told me he would more then likely be there. He will have some very close races if I have anything to do with it.

The zo6 doesnt really run that do they. The fastest ive seen stock is 12.7

Z06's post some seriously horrible times at that track. I saw a guy with a 2.1-2.2 sec. 60' getting low 13 sec. passes there. The track is hard to grip on. It takes alot of driver finesse. BTW stock for stock a GTP will lose 9 times out of 10 versus a SRT-4. Not to rag on the GTP's ability, just that stock they are not as quick. BTW Sleeper I might know a guy bringing his low 13 to high 12 sec. stage 2 SRT-4. Let's get a vid of that car so that we can end the doubters. Let's also get a vid of Martin's 12 sec. GTP. :)

http://www.thrashercharged.com/

all kinds of stuff to make your car pull hard up top