97 Lumina Turn signal don't work


niteshjhaveri
05-05-2004, 10:29 PM
I checked all bulbs and they all seems fine. Checked Fuse and that is fine too. Hazard flashing is working fine. when I turn signal light(left or right) nothing happens(No blinking light on dashboard or out side).
Side marker bulbs are fine too.

Does anyone know what else could be wrong?
Are there any flashers which I need to replace?
Any help is appriciated...

niteshjhaveri
05-05-2004, 10:29 PM
any help appriciated...

bmfzo6
05-06-2004, 01:51 AM
there are two possible problems the switch itself or the flasher. try getting agressive with the switch by moving it up and down to see if the t/s start working. or swap flashers with the hazard flasher.it wont work perfectly with that flasher but it will give you an ideA

NoFear
05-06-2004, 08:13 AM
I have the same problem. I also need to get my turn signal fixed. Here is something to try so you atleast can have some sort of signal. When you put the turn signal on, pull the stick slightly to you. This works on my car and you will atleast have a signal to use.

SSSSSmokey
05-10-2004, 06:45 PM
I have the exact same problem, right down to the "pull it towards you" solution. I just got it checked out today, and the guy said it would be $100 for the part and $200 labor. :lol2: That seems a LITTLE pricey for me.

Has anyone replaced the part, if so how hard was it and where did you get it?

saluki1net
05-11-2004, 09:02 PM
Same problem - 97 Lumina - Turn signal always works for left turn but does not work for right unless I hold the lever up without "clicking". Bulbs and fuse are ok.

Corndog Man
05-13-2004, 07:59 AM
Something going on with these things. My '99 LTZ has good turn signals, but from time to time, the brake lights quit working. Not the third light however. I notice from time to time if I use the left turn signal, the right brake light doesn't come on but if I use the right turn signal the left doesn't come on. That problem is consistent. The brake light has me aggrivated. It has to some how be connected to the turn signal because as folks have written, a little jiggle can make things work. ANybody aware of a service bulletin on this problem?

mazzov
06-15-2004, 08:09 AM
All,

I have a 96 Lumina and the turn signals are no longer working. The hazards are fine though they won't stay on (only work when switch is pressed down). I have ordered a flasher to try and narrow it down. If not I will look at the switch in the colum. Has anybody replaced the switch in colum? How do I remove the air bag without setting it off?

Vince

broughy84
06-15-2004, 05:58 PM
get a book first of all it will tell you. Disconnect the battery and pull the fuses. Let the car set for a few hours, I can't remember how many though. You have to do this because there is residual energy stored in the air bag system. Pull the cover off and unplugg the air bag.

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS THE GOSPEL I HAVE NEVER PULLED AN AIR BAG BEFORE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BE A MECHANIC HERE IN TOWN! Personally I would take it elsewhere. Why risk the thing blowing up in your face!

cadgear
06-15-2004, 07:23 PM
Pull the airbag fuse, disconnect the CPA plugs from the driver/passenger side airbags, then remove the airbag as per the manual. Just remember to treat the airbags with utmost respect and care. And yes, the airbag controller module does store energy needed to deploy the airbags for quite some time. However if you disconnect the CPA plug then the system can't send the signal to the airbag even if something did go wrong.

However, if you're the least bit uncomfortable with this, then by all means take the car to someone who is.

Euroguy026
06-16-2004, 08:21 AM
I have the Same Problem in My Lumina Right Turn Signal Doesnt Work in the Rear, But Front Right Turn Signal Works the the Left Front and Rear Signal Works, Its not bulbs or flasher because i replaced it, its a short in the steering colum ( Or What my Dad Thinks)

midnight_rider
06-16-2004, 07:00 PM
Take the wheel off. remove the switch and carfully bend the contacts towards the metal contact ring. GMs are notorious for the contcats bending in their switches. bend them back the right direction and they will work like a new switch. I've done this several times.

mazzov
06-17-2004, 07:52 AM
All,

Called the dealer yesterday and he told me it wouold cost $330 :eek: :eek: :eek: to replace the switch in the colum. So I went to the parts store and figured I would try to replace the $9.80 flasher for the turn signal first :iceslolan . Problem is that I CAN'T FIND IT :banghead: . I found the one for the emergency lights but can't find the one for the turn signals. F.Y.I. in my car it's a little black box or at least it's replacemeant will be.

Any help would be appreciated.

Euroguy026
06-17-2004, 08:41 AM
That Flasher is Located at the Bottom Of The Steering Colum Near the Pedals. U gotta Bend the plastic outta the way and its right under there at least for my 93

grasnic
06-22-2004, 12:02 PM
I have the exact same problem, right down to the "pull it towards you" solution. I just got it checked out today, and the guy said it would be $100 for the part and $200 labor. :lol2: That seems a LITTLE pricey for me.

Has anyone replaced the part, if so how hard was it and where did you get it?



It's not hard, don't waste your $300, just go by a puller, you can get them for $20 at Harbor Freight, Pull off your steering wheel, unplug your horn, open it up, replace the switch, the only thing that sucks is that you have to replace the whole harness, so you will have to get up under your dash.

midnight_rider
06-22-2004, 12:10 PM
just pull the switch out and bend the contacts back so they will touch again, problem solved.

BWX
06-25-2004, 09:55 AM
My 95 Lumina has the exact same problem- the dealer says 300 bucks, that is insane.

More specifically, I can use the signal if I don't go past where it "clicks", but if I go past that where it stays on by itself- the signal doesn't work.
All the flashers work (I tested them with known good parts) and the hazard lights work.. I noticed everyone's problem is slightly different, but I know it's all the same defective part causing the problem.

I would take the steering wheel off myself, but man, it seems like such a hassle. I have the Haynes manual and all the tools except the puller which I could buy allot cheaper than paying them to do it. I've already had the entire dash apart when I got the car to install an aftermarket CD player.

When you guys say "pull all fuses", are talking ALL the fuses? Every single one? Is that really necessary or could I get buy with just pulling certain ones?



My inspection has been out since March 15 because of this- It just seems crazy to have to pay them that much for such a simple problem..
Since 2003 the signals need to work in ALL positions in NY where I live.:screwy:


Does it make any difference that when got the car I put an engine from a 96' Grand Prix in there? I didn't think it would, but I better ask just in case, I'm not sure my manual lists all the sensors for the airbag system..

I'm also wondering if you could make some kind of a long thin tool out of a hanger or something and reach in there and bend those contacts without taking off the wheel-
There's a big opening where the control stalk comes out of there- It seems like you could do something from there with the right shaped tool if you knew where the contacts were.. or maybe not.

cadgear
06-25-2004, 12:36 PM
GM apparently never got it right; both my 1991 Olds Cutlass and my mother's 1990 Grand Prix both had the turn signal switch go out. Cost of repair was in the mid to high $200s, I remember, labor and part included. However those had no airbags.

When you say pull the fuses, I assume you mean the airbag system. You need to pull the airbag fuse, disconnect the CPA clips, pull the connections, and handle the airbag with extreme care. A really good idea would be disconnecting the battery also, but you don't need to. Horn, airbag, signals. That's all that you really need to yank, as far as I can see.

You could either bend the contacts back or buy the new part; either way you'll need to take off the wheel. You probably couldn't get enough leverage to bend the contacts from the opening itself, provided you could get to the right ones.

The engine swap would have nothing to do with the turn signals, as far as I know.

BWX
06-25-2004, 01:15 PM
I wonder how many millions GM has made in parts and labor off this defective part.. You almost wonder if it was done by the engineers on purpose.

cadgear
06-25-2004, 02:22 PM
What about piston slap? Or the upper intake gasket? All sorts of 'defective parts' are requiring repair or replacement..however GM doesn't want to issue a recall or repair extension because they'll lose money and they know it. Bottom line? Fix it yourself, bug GM, maybe there will be a day when they'll repair it.

My 1991 Cutlass had a brake caliper recall because the calipers were sticking closed. As you can imagine I went through pads quickly. But see, that was in 1998. Seven years since the car was made and the recall was enacted ONLY because it was a safety concern. Brakes, wheels, tires, airbags, seatbelts. Only "safety concerns" GM has. Turn signal? Nah, you have your hand to make signals. Intake gasket? Nah, if you can't go anywhere you're not hurting anyone. And so on so forth

/end rant

BWX
06-25-2004, 02:44 PM
I called GM and argued with them for an hour a few weeks ago-- They were complete jerks.
There was some kind of recall on those parts- but they wouldn't own up to ever having any recall on any Luminia anywhere ever--


Just kept lying to me- I know there were SOME recalls years ago.. They said there was no records, that they throw the records away..:disappoin

BWX
06-25-2004, 03:04 PM
here is one-

Recall - Windshield Wiper Switch Defective http://www1.autozone.com/images/grey_line.gifNumber: 97003 Date: 03/01/97 Recall - Windshield Wiper Switch Defective

Owner Letter

March 1997
Dear Customer:
This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
Reason For This Recall: General Motors has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 1994 Pontiac Grand Prix; 1994-95 Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme and 1995 Chevrolet Lumina/Monte Carlo model vehicles. These vehicles contain a washer/wiper switch power feed wire which may become strained or separated, causing the windshield washer/wiper to work intermittently.
If the windshield washer/wipers failed to work in a severe weather situation, driver visibility could be reduced, which could result in a vehicle crash without prior warning.
What Will Be Done:
To prevent the possibility of this condition occurring, dealers will replace the original windshield washer/wiper switch with a redesigned switch. This service will be performed for you at not charge.
How long Will The Repair Take? The length of time required to perform this inspection and service correction is approximately 10 to 45 minutes. Additional time may be required to schedule and process your vehicle. If your dealer has a large number of vehicles awaiting service, this additional time may be significant. Please ask your dealer if you wish to know how much additional time will be needed.
Request For Reimbursement:
If you have already experienced this condition and paid for all or part of the repair, you may request reimbursement through your dealer. When doing so, you should present the dealer with documentation which reasonably confirms the amount of unreimbursed repair expense, the date of repair and the person or entity performing the repair.
When you make your reimbursement request, your vehicle will still require an inspection to determine whether a redesigned switch was installed. If another switch was used for the repair, it will need to be replaced and a service time to perform this campaign, should be scheduled. If the redesigned switch was installed, your vehicle already has the required part and no further action is necessary. In either case you may request reimbursement for the prior repair.
Contacting Your Dealer:
Please contact your dealer as soon as possible to arrange a service date. Parts are available and instructions for making this correction have been sent to your dealer.
Your dealer is best equipped to obtain parts and provide services to correct your vehicle as promptly as possible. Should your dealer be unable to schedule a service date within a reasonable time, you should contact the appropriate Customer Assistance/Relations Center listed.
Division Number Dear, Hearing Impaired or Speech Impaired *Buick 1-800-521-7300 1-800-832-8425Chevrolet 1-800-222-1020 1-800-833-2439Pontiac 1-800-762-2737 1-800-833-7668Oldsmobile 1-800-442-6537 1-800-833-6537
*Utilizes Telecommunication Devices for the Deaf/Text Telephones (TDD/TTY)
If, after contacting the appropriate customer assistance center, you are still not satisfied that we have done our best to remedy this condition without charge and within a reasonable time, you may wish to write the Administrator, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 400 Seventh Street, S.W. Washington, D.C. 20590 or call 1-800-424-9393 (Washington D.C. residents use 202-366-0123).
Customer Reply Card:
The enclosed customer reply card identifies your vehicle. presentation of this card to your dealer will assist in making the necessary correction in the shortest possible time. If you no longer own this vehicle, please let us know by completing the postage paid reply card and returning it to us.
Courtesy Transportation:
Your dealer will provide you with shuttle service or some other form of courtesy transportation while your vehicle is at the dealership for this repair. Please refer to your Owner's Manual and your dealer for details on Courtesy Transportation.
We are sorry to cause you this inconvenience; however, we have taken this action in the interest of your safety and continued satisfaction with our products.













Another-




Recall 94V23000: Ball Joint Mount Defect http://www1.autozone.com/images/grey_line.gifNumber: NHTSA94V23000 Date: 11/14/94 Recall 94V23000: Ball Joint Mount Defect

A RIGHT-HAND LOWER CONTROL ARM TAPERED BALL JOINT MOUNTING HOLE WAS INCORRECTLY MACHINED. MOVEMENT WITHIN THIS ATTACHMENT CAN ALLOW THE BALL JOINT STUD TO FATIGUE AND FRACTURE. IF THE BALL JOINT FRACTURED WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION, LOSS OF STEERING CONTROL TO THE VEHICLE CAN OCCUR. DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE RIGHT-HAND LOWER CONTROL ARM AND BALL JOINT STUD ON ALL INVOLVED VEHICLES.
SYSTEM: SUSPENSION; INDEPENDENT FRONT CONTROL ARM; LOWER; BALL JOINT.
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES.
NOTE: IF THE VEHICLE IS PRESENTED TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND THE REMEDY IS NOT PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME OR THE REMEDY DOES NOT CORRECT THE DEFECT, PLEASE CONTACT CHEVROLET AT1-800-222-1020. ALSO, CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-800-424-9393.
1995 CHEVROLET LUMINA
1995 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO






Maybe these are BS, but they are on AutoZone's website if you log in-

There are a few others- I agree that if it doesn't effect MY VIN# then it doesn't apply to me, but they wouldn't even acknowledge the fact that they aver existed.

BWX
06-25-2004, 03:17 PM
On a lighter note- here is what this blinker problem makes my want to have happen to my Lumina- LOL

http://users.adelphia.net/~brett232/moose1.jpg

http://users.adelphia.net/~brett232/moose2.jpg
http://users.adelphia.net/~brett232/moose3.jpg
http://users.adelphia.net/~brett232/moose4.jpg
Crazy pics.. [/off topic]

stevecur8
02-16-2005, 07:59 PM
Had to replace the turn signal switch in my 97 (3.1). Sounds like this is a weak part. It cost me $220 Canadian, couldn't believe how expensive it was! But I didn't want to mess with it myself and risk blowing out the airbags or something. Good luck!

bstrom1953
03-17-2005, 05:21 AM
I have the same problem. I also need to get my turn signal fixed. Here is something to try so you atleast can have some sort of signal. When you put the turn signal on, pull the stick slightly to you. This works on my car and you will atleast have a signal to use.

My 95 Lumina has exact same prob. The problem is the rotating part of the switch is held down against the contacts by PLASTIC tabs. One of mine was worn half way through. Pulling back on the turn signal lever places pressure on the switch in a forward direction causing the contacts to touch again. I wrapped a small piece of wire around the hold-down tab to build it up back to original size and that cured it. Now the rotating part of the switch rubs on metal and should last a long time.
Napa has the turn signal switch for $73. A tool to help get the circular clip off was only $8, also at Napa. The Haynes manual was helpful.

rockavenger
06-02-2005, 02:00 PM
How easy is replacing all of it? I would rather work on it myself that take it somewhere and have to pay out the butt.

rockavenger
06-02-2005, 02:00 PM
How easy is replacing all of it? I would rather work on it myself that take it somewhere and have to pay out the butt.

rockavenger
06-02-2005, 02:00 PM
How easy is replacing all of it? I would rather work on it myself that take it somewhere and have to pay out the butt.

BurnDaddy
09-24-2005, 09:40 PM
Listen to Midnight Rider, it was too easy! I also lightly sanded the contacts and cleaned the area where the contacts connect with contact cleaner. The six contacts can be bent back after seperating the switch by pushing the pentagon shaped nut out of the back! Thanks again Midnight Rider! All it cost me was 12 bucks for the steering wheel puller.

KawaiChik
09-24-2005, 09:55 PM
Wow, $300 is a lot. I had my turn signal replaced for the same problem last year for a total of ~$160. I bought the part from Advanced for ~$80 and the labor was ~$80.

rocksinthehead
09-04-2010, 04:09 PM
My 2001 Lumina has break light failures, the third break light does work but niether of the other two. I have read so many things about this already and being a woman I followed up on one lead. I did check the switch under the break pedla and it is working. So I had to remove the actual turn signal housing switch, what a job. I pulled the fuse #21 first, then I pulled the battery. I was abel to disconnect everything and removed the air bag and so far so good. I pulloed the steeering wheel off and yes I am a woman here, disconnected the switch and took it to Autozone and got a new one and a new cam because the original was broken off on the inside go figure bet that was my only problem but don't know now I get to put her back together again and I hope to remember how it all fits. I do have a diagram. Now after all this is said and done and if they still don't work what will be the next move. The flashers, bulbs, fuses are all good to go. I have no real money to pay for this to be done we are talking over 300.00. I work with mechanics and asked for thier help but when the word air bags came up they all freaked out, well how come I a free lanser sort to speak can pull this off with no problem and they are afraid to help. I just don't get it.

My next question is how about the air bag system for the front passangers side glove box area is there another fuse for that or is is all of the same fuse etc. I need to know for I ahve to remove the top where the air bag sits under to repair the leather covering it pulled away and I need to re secure it and I am afraid of the air bag going off. Can someone help me with this? Thanks

Bearwulf
09-07-2010, 03:51 AM
Read the owners manual, it will tell about the other fuse.

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