tiburon vs subaru wrx turbo?


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E.Mk
04-29-2004, 12:58 AM
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but I need a few opinions.

In the near future, I'm considering on getting a different car(I have an OLD '94 Nissan Sentra) and my friends' subaru WRX(yeah, they're one of those people :tongue:).

One of my friends had a turbo charged WRX and I loved it.


Normally, that would be the determining factor... 'cept, the Subaru WRX is expensive, so I'm considering on the Tiburon. I want to get one and perhaps later on, get a turbo mod.

I tried to find some sites on "tiburon vs WRX" so that I can get an comparision as two the advantages and disadvantages of both... but I couldn't find any.

So I want to ask y'all, which Tiburon model do you recommend(2000 and up) and how comparable is it to a Subaru WRX(with turbocharged engine)?

P.S. - I know nothing about cars, I've just started to read up on turbo charged engines so please forgive any errors/mistakes in my posts.

lowsonoma1999
04-29-2004, 08:25 AM
If you care that much about performance and fun to drive, spend the extra money and get the WRX. Right now you can get 1.9% financing for 63 months. The Tiburon is a nice car, very good value, excellent warranty, but the potential in the WRX is so much more.

tibby01
04-29-2004, 11:12 AM
he summed it up nicely. you could however get a 99 tiburon, make it fast enough to beat the wrx, and do it for about half the cost.

a good place for you to check out would be www.howstuffworks.com. its great. you can learn all about how engines, turbos, everything works.

as they stand stock, the wrx will beat the tiburon in everything except reliability, cost, gas mileage and looks (in my opinion.)

nisco
04-29-2004, 01:46 PM
if youre lookin at an 03... and really wanna surprise people... and got 5,800$ to spare... bust out a twin turbo....
6 spd runnin 11s on staock internals.... STOCK!
how fuckin nuts is that

TibsBeatALL
04-29-2004, 01:53 PM
is dis tru?

all u gotta hav is twin turbo kit?
there has to be something else

scottsee
04-29-2004, 06:40 PM
subaru. their awd, and custom parts are everywhere. i'd find a repo at an auction, 2002 aer going for about 15500 with 30k.

E.Mk
04-29-2004, 07:08 PM
he summed it up nicely. you could however get a 99 tiburon, make it fast enough to beat the wrx, and do it for about half the cost.

a good place for you to check out would be www.howstuffworks.com. its great. you can learn all about how engines, turbos, everything works.

as they stand stock, the wrx will beat the tiburon in everything except reliability, cost, gas mileage and looks (in my opinion.)


I keep hearing that the Tiburon has poor handling and isn't a good ride, etc.

Is this true? I mean, if I decide on the Tiburon... it would be my daily ride from home to work.

Whilest I'm on that subject, the Turbo seems to kick in automatically... will this be a problem if I'm driving in the city(where there's a lot of stops and light signals vs open highway road?)


Turbo and other mods sounds like fun, but then again, I DO need a car so I can get to work:P

E.Mk
04-29-2004, 09:34 PM
he summed it up nicely. you could however get a 99 tiburon, make it fast enough to beat the wrx, and do it for about half the cost.

a good place for you to check out would be www.howstuffworks.com. its great. you can learn all about how engines, turbos, everything works.

as they stand stock, the wrx will beat the tiburon in everything except reliability, cost, gas mileage and looks (in my opinion.)


I'm new at this. Exactly how much work is needed to bring the Tiburon to match the WRX(a rough estimate will do in terms of money and parts/kits required)?

The Tiburon is REALLY affordable. That I like. And if it can be brought to equal(maybe surpass?) the WRX, that's even better.

tibby01
04-29-2004, 10:41 PM
what year tiburon?

i havent seen many 03+ tibbies that can match wrxs. this is because the i4 model is so damn heavy, and few v6 ones that do have more power than the wrx, dont have AWD, so the wrx gets a big jump of the line.

if you were to do it to a 99 for instance though, figure this...

3000 for a turbo kit
you'll prolly need to go stand alone, so add another 800
LSD...another 800
exhaust, 200
various internals....1000

nisco
04-30-2004, 03:00 AM
tiburon has excellent handling for teh stock suspension..... uhh well if you want to match a stock wrx... youd have to do a decent amount of work...
which will end up being alota money...
but my plan is only 5,800$ for teh twin turbo for the v6... with a 6 spd... itll be in the 11s.... thats what ive been told... im not sure if that rigth outa the box... or if it has other mods...
either way... its still runnin on stock internals....
you control the boost of teh turbo... so you wont have to run high boost all teh time... so it can be daily driver safe....
but if you really want a daily driver friendly car... go with a super charger...
the ripp super charger hit the 13s with alota stock componants... so with major upgrades.. that will be in the 11s as well.... so.... the tiburon has alota shit coming out for it...
aftermarket support is growing...
but if you stop and look at the car youre buying... and see how much it is.. and look at the wrx.... and see how much it is... you get what you pay for...
but if you wanna go price for price... the tib could match and possibly beat a wrx with the right equipment...

i personally am physched about the twin turbo set up... best aplication ive seen as for turbos anyway.....

fullup1
04-30-2004, 07:31 AM
I keep hearing that the Tiburon has poor handling and isn't a good ride, etc.

Is this true? I mean, if I decide on the Tiburon... it would be my daily ride from home to work.

Whilest I'm on that subject, the Turbo seems to kick in automatically... will this be a problem if I'm driving in the city(where there's a lot of stops and light signals vs open highway road?)


Turbo and other mods sounds like fun, but then again, I DO need a car so I can get to work:P

Yes, the turbo "kicks in automatically." It's not like the turbo is off sometimes and on sometimes, it's always spinning, it's just not spinning fast enough to make any usable boost.

On stock WRX's, the turbo doesn't spool (start making usable boost) until about 3000 rpm. After that point, with a bit of throttle, it pulls like a madman. Below 3000 rpm however, it feels like an NA 4 cylinder.

For your use, the boost kicking in at 3000 rpm won't be a problem unless you like to really mash the gas pedal when you accelerate. If you do, then the car will throw you back in your seat at a green light, only for you to slam on the brakes at the next red light (most people don't drive any cars this way).

The point is, if you're pressing the accelerator pedal down a moderate amount, then when the boost comes on around 3000 rpm, you won't notice a huge neck-snapping force, the car will just seem to have more power (which it does when the turbo is providing boost).

E.Mk
05-01-2004, 09:43 AM
Yes, the turbo "kicks in automatically." It's not like the turbo is off sometimes and on sometimes, it's always spinning, it's just not spinning fast enough to make any usable boost.

On stock WRX's, the turbo doesn't spool (start making usable boost) until about 3000 rpm. After that point, with a bit of throttle, it pulls like a madman. Below 3000 rpm however, it feels like an NA 4 cylinder.

For your use, the boost kicking in at 3000 rpm won't be a problem unless you like to really mash the gas pedal when you accelerate. If you do, then the car will throw you back in your seat at a green light, only for you to slam on the brakes at the next red light (most people don't drive any cars this way).

The point is, if you're pressing the accelerator pedal down a moderate amount, then when the boost comes on around 3000 rpm, you won't notice a huge neck-snapping force, the car will just seem to have more power (which it does when the turbo is providing boost).


Will this affect the lifespan of the parts, that is, driving in streets, the frequent stops; will it take a greater toll on a turbo charged engine?

scottsee
05-01-2004, 03:22 PM
turbo dont do anything to the engien, if you run your car hard, with or without a turbo, you'll have problems, the only thing you need to consider with a turbocharged vehical is to let the turbo cool off before you turn it off, let all the oil cirulate through, weather you let it idle for a min or buy a turbo timer. you wont need to worry about that unless you really overwork your turbo. hard pulls over and over and over. dailey driving dosent really require a turbo, unless your driving around spinning the tires for an hour.

scottsee
05-01-2004, 03:24 PM
turbo "timer". unless your diriving around spinning the tires for an hour

E.Mk
05-02-2004, 10:02 AM
turbo dont do anything to the engien, if you run your car hard, with or without a turbo, you'll have problems, the only thing you need to consider with a turbocharged vehical is to let the turbo cool off before you turn it off, let all the oil cirulate through, weather you let it idle for a min or buy a turbo timer. you wont need to worry about that unless you really overwork your turbo. hard pulls over and over and over. dailey driving dosent really require a turbo, unless your driving around spinning the tires for an hour.

I'd like a daily ride(you're right, it doesn't require turbo), but on the weekends, I'd like to the car to be able to cruise down the highway(via turbocharged performance)

Now what do you mean by cool off before you turn it off? Do you mean that with a turbo charged engine, after a drive, I have to let the engine idle before turning off the ignition??

tibby01
05-02-2004, 03:04 PM
this is what a turbo timer does, it allows the engine to idle a bit after you turn it off. this cools down the turbo gradually, instead of quickly, improving the life of it.

WingRoad
05-02-2004, 08:50 PM
I don't believe in this nonsense.
Note: I am not here to enforce any opinions on anyone, it is your own right to assume my position upon this article and to judge for it.

The Subaru Impreza WRX is absolutely phenomenal. I don't think it deserves to be compared upon an 2003+ Hyundai Tiburon, again, I am not trying to degrade the Tiburon in any way.
The Tiburon, indeed is a nice car. Is it a respectful car? Maybe. But all cars nowadays have to lack certain fields in order to compete, by the way, it is impossible to construct a perfect car, since there are driver likes/dislikes and other niches that sway consumer opinions on certain cars.
The point I am trying to make in this article is the attitudes brought by Hyundai Tiburon owners. A twin-turbo Tiburon is NOT going to promise anything. I do not understand how a dual-turbine compressor is going to generate full effects on the Hyundai Delta V6 engine. Also, this Santa-Fe based platform would not have ideal potentials of enduring FR-styled driving impersonations. A more idealistic approach is to apply a single-turbine, mid-range single injecting turbo kit, which should able this vehicle to obtain an additional 40 horsepowers, enough to make this into a mid 6-second car.
Now let us consider the original intentions upon the Tiburon. This car is a entry-level sports coupe targeted for younger generations, boasting the 10-year warranty more than its specifications to attract people like you, Tiburon owners. Excellent exterior design, yes. Excellent warranty, questionable. Quality, moderate. These are all elements a typical automobilist seeks. The WRX, on the other hand is NOT a typical entry-level sports sedan. I do not even want to attempt the specifications behind the WRX, becuase regardless of any opinions, the numbers and words speek for itself. Yes the WRX is a user-friendly mod hot-rod as opposed to its ancestors, yet it is still, a car that deserves full respect of its originality.
The owners of these forums seem to be constantly yacking upon the 'full-potential' of the Tiburon, none in which I finda common upon any Tiburon owners I know of. The Tiburon is meant to be a Tiburon. Not a Z33 350-Z, WRX, RSX, etc. I enjoy reading the Tiburon enthusiasts who push their cars to the limits by investing in after-market goodies to expand the limits of the car. THAT, I believe is repsectful. For the sake of the automotive community, I ask many of these postees to think twice before posting another 'victory' related article conscerning a Tiburon VS any competitive sports car. The reason why I haven't included any 'numbers' in this post is to communicate with the reviewers that rather read the bottom-line contents of certain posts, actually the people who comment every negative aspects of other cars compared with the Tiburon, in such cases, would be YOU, whoever is reading this post in the current. Normally I do not care about such ignorant community members, but some private issues regarding myself have pushed me to take actions upon this issue. Not to mention, I have witnessed many similarities that were present upon the Hyundai Tiburon 'owners' across the forum, thereby further encouraging me to post a reply like such other.

Thank you for your time.

scottsee
05-02-2004, 10:17 PM
i read that like twice, you lost me both times. thats cool though.. your intitled to your opions. sorry man, but how is the best warrenty in america questionable? i would love for you to elaberate on that subject.

as for the attitude brought by tiburon owenrs. you talk about how a twin turbo would not promise anything? what would it not promise? please also elaberate on that. aditionaly, i hope you ment mid-six second 0-60 right!

nisco
05-03-2004, 02:08 AM
the wrx... looks liek shit... both exterior and interior
look at the price... 30k+ and a -18k.... so oyu get what you pay for...
the tiburon isnt shaped as a performance car....
subaru is a well known and respected co. .... they have been in the game for awhile... and have been makin these types of cars longer than hyundai has been in business.... so hyundai is tryin to build a backing and a reputation.... the warranty is in place because they stress the fact of the fact their parts are good and can be easily repaired...
the tiburon with enough mods can easily match a wrx.. and possibly over take one...
jus like an accent can take over a skyline...
any car can beat any car....
tiburon blows the wrx outa the water in both interior and exterior looks
a tiburon = an rsx
in performace... the tib weighs a bit more... so its a drivers race...
the tiburon wasnt built like a 350 or a wrx etc etc... because its not priced... its not performanced back.. its not pushed ot be that type of car... in the future there will be a change... every car company has to start off with cars like these... they need a platform to work off from...
hyundai is working for the future... theyre obviously not jumpin the gun....
...think twice?.. the only people who post stuff that hyundai is so great and whatever car company sucks... are ignorant... and know nothing of cars....
you do not seem to know much of the aftermarket backing of the tiburon....
because the examples of the mods you put down are very off
im very open minded about cars..
youre makin a post stating that the hyundai tiburon is not as god liek as everyone on this board says it is...
i think youre miss-interpretating enthusiasm of a car... with ignorance.... your post is border line ignorant...
but you do make very good points... but those points are also very common facts...
i see nothing wrong with the post/ your view... youre not thikck heaeded and you didnt come off ass an sshole... so i have no problem responding to this..

fullup1
05-03-2004, 10:28 AM
I'd like a daily ride(you're right, it doesn't require turbo), but on the weekends, I'd like to the car to be able to cruise down the highway(via turbocharged performance)

Now what do you mean by cool off before you turn it off? Do you mean that with a turbo charged engine, after a drive, I have to let the engine idle before turning off the ignition??

Yes, generally you'd need to let the motor idle for about 2 minutes after driving to allow oil to circulate (and possibly coolant if it's a water cooled turbocharger) through the turbocharger. If you were to just shut the motor off immediately after driving each time, the oil would have a tendency to get cooked in the hot bearings of the turbocharger, leading to "coked bearings."

Coked bearings = turbo rebuild or new turbocharger

However, if you've just finished driving the car hard for any amount of time (especially if it's an extended amount of time), then you'd probably need to idle for more like 4 minutes before you turn the car off, just because the turbocharger is probably even hotter than normal, so it'll take longer for the oil and coolant to cool it down.

This is what the turbo timer is for. All you do is remove the key from the ignition, and the turbo timer keeps the car idling for a certain amount of time. A little bit of preventative maintenance goes a long way with a turbocharged car.

Tiburon99
05-03-2004, 03:25 PM
Nisco, you hit it right on the mark! A Tib cant be paired in ways to cars like the WRX because a car like that was born to perform. A Tib is just a optional performance car like the Civic. But when you put enough power into a tib or a Civic it can and will beat a "born to perform" car like the WRX.

tibby01
05-03-2004, 10:21 PM
great post wingroad.

he is saying the warranty is questionable cause hyundai likes to try and void the thing whenever they can.

nisco, the wrx is around 25k.

nisco
05-04-2004, 03:43 PM
great post wingroad.

he is saying the warranty is questionable cause hyundai likes to try and void the thing whenever they can.

nisco, the wrx is around 25k.
yeah hyundai is probably the biggest corner cutter around...the do try and weasle outa alota stuff... but if you know the warranty and you knwo what youre doing... theres no way that they can void your warranty...
and even if teh wrx is 25K ... i can easily match the power of a wrx to equal the price...

tibby01
05-04-2004, 05:48 PM
it would be hard to match it with a brand new tiburon. how much is that? like 20k right?

sure, straight line speed wouldnt be tough, but that awd would kill you around a track.

nisco
05-04-2004, 07:37 PM
...you can get a brand new 03 for 17....
its not hard...
the turbo kit im lookin into will be 5800
thats 380 whp on stock internals...
i can go to nextgenmotorsports.com and give tim 8 grand and put myself into the 11s....
its not hard to match the
there are plenty of applications out there... BOTH FOR V6 AND I-4
im not afraid of a wrx... .... and anyoen who has teh knowledge and the drive to tune a great tib... theyre shootin for supras... 300zx... rx7s

tibby01
05-04-2004, 09:10 PM
does that include a lsd, cause 380 hp is all well and good, but without a lsd, id be able to beeat you.

and dude, there still isnt a gk in the 13s. dont get to far ahead of yourself.

IH8RICE
05-05-2004, 01:47 PM
dollar for dollar im going to go for a tiburon i know the WRX is faster and it has more performance parts out but no one can beat the tiburon warranty and with some patience the tiburon will have more stuff out and i dont have a fat wallet to spend a lot on parts right away any way so im going to drive a brand new V6 6 speed tiburon saturday to see how i like it, im looking to buy one cuz every time i look at the odometer i got another 1000 miles on my car so im looking for the the long haul here by the time i get some good road miles on the car ill have money for performance parts its kinda like arguing with people about vettes and vipers id way rather have a vette! take the extra u save instead of buying a viper and send that baby to lingenfilter and not much would beat you for around 75 - 80k but thats a way high price bracket but u get the idea. im after the tiburon!

E.Mk
05-05-2004, 07:37 PM
I don't believe in this nonsense.
Note: I am not here to enforce any opinions on anyone, it is your own right to assume my position upon this article and to judge for it.

The Subaru Impreza WRX is absolutely phenomenal. I don't think it deserves to be compared upon an 2003+ Hyundai Tiburon, again, I am not trying to degrade the Tiburon in any way.
The Tiburon, indeed is a nice car. Is it a respectful car? Maybe. But all cars nowadays have to lack certain fields in order to compete, by the way, it is impossible to construct a perfect car, since there are driver likes/dislikes and other niches that sway consumer opinions on certain cars.
The point I am trying to make in this article is the attitudes brought by Hyundai Tiburon owners. A twin-turbo Tiburon is NOT going to promise anything. I do not understand how a dual-turbine compressor is going to generate full effects on the Hyundai Delta V6 engine. Also, this Santa-Fe based platform would not have ideal potentials of enduring FR-styled driving impersonations. A more idealistic approach is to apply a single-turbine, mid-range single injecting turbo kit, which should able this vehicle to obtain an additional 40 horsepowers, enough to make this into a mid 6-second car.
Now let us consider the original intentions upon the Tiburon. This car is a entry-level sports coupe targeted for younger generations, boasting the 10-year warranty more than its specifications to attract people like you, Tiburon owners. Excellent exterior design, yes. Excellent warranty, questionable. Quality, moderate. These are all elements a typical automobilist seeks. The WRX, on the other hand is NOT a typical entry-level sports sedan. I do not even want to attempt the specifications behind the WRX, becuase regardless of any opinions, the numbers and words speek for itself. Yes the WRX is a user-friendly mod hot-rod as opposed to its ancestors, yet it is still, a car that deserves full respect of its originality.
The owners of these forums seem to be constantly yacking upon the 'full-potential' of the Tiburon, none in which I finda common upon any Tiburon owners I know of. The Tiburon is meant to be a Tiburon. Not a Z33 350-Z, WRX, RSX, etc. I enjoy reading the Tiburon enthusiasts who push their cars to the limits by investing in after-market goodies to expand the limits of the car. THAT, I believe is repsectful. For the sake of the automotive community, I ask many of these postees to think twice before posting another 'victory' related article conscerning a Tiburon VS any competitive sports car. The reason why I haven't included any 'numbers' in this post is to communicate with the reviewers that rather read the bottom-line contents of certain posts, actually the people who comment every negative aspects of other cars compared with the Tiburon, in such cases, would be YOU, whoever is reading this post in the current. Normally I do not care about such ignorant community members, but some private issues regarding myself have pushed me to take actions upon this issue. Not to mention, I have witnessed many similarities that were present upon the Hyundai Tiburon 'owners' across the forum, thereby further encouraging me to post a reply like such other.

Thank you for your time.


Well, 'yer entitled to 'yer opinion... but as the creater of this thread, let me just set a few points straight.


Even thought I titled this thread as Tiburon vs Subaru, I did it to attract attention, I have no loyalties to either car. It's just that a few of my friends are devote Subaru owners and I just wanted to know if the Tiburon is a formidable car. Not to snub them, not to score any "victory points" or anything... it's just that my '94 Sentra is no match to their NEW subaru WRX coupes. I don't know or assume to know everything about their specs, but I just want a newer car(preferably cheap) which can come CLOSER(don't care if the WRX is still faster or anything... any car newer than the '94 Sentra should have engines in better condition).

Your frustration is understood, but you don't seem to understand... there's nothing wrong about pride in the objects you own. You complain that the Tiburon owners rant about "potential" power of the Tiburon. What's wrong with that, just because the stock components don't add up to a superior model or it isn't a product of a penultimate design they shouldn't have pride in the car?

That's where you're wrong, buddy. Tiburon, WRX-these may mean BIG things to you, but to others(like me), they mean nothing; in the sense that if I owned either car, I'd look at them as equally worth it to modify, upgrade, whatever.

And although I don't really care about this whole, "Car A sucks, Car B rules" rant, I'm not a big fan of conformity. Although the members of the this board may not agree with me, it's people who often come and say stuff like "Car A sucks, owners of Car A shouldn't even dare compare themselves to Car B or standard C" that just makes me wanna go for the alternate choice(get Car A).


But that's just me. :p

fullup1
05-06-2004, 08:13 AM
Well, 'yer entitled to 'yer opinion... but as the creater of this thread, let me just set a few points straight.


Even thought I titled this thread as Tiburon vs Subaru, I did it to attract attention, I have no loyalties to either car. It's just that a few of my friends are devote Subaru owners and I just wanted to know if the Tiburon is a formidable car. Not to snub them, not to score any "victory points" or anything... it's just that my '94 Sentra is no match to their NEW subaru WRX coupes. I don't know or assume to know everything about their specs, but I just want a newer car(preferably cheap) which can come CLOSER(don't care if the WRX is still faster or anything... any car newer than the '94 Sentra should have engines in better condition).

Your frustration is understood, but you don't seem to understand... there's nothing wrong about pride in the objects you own. You complain that the Tiburon owners rant about "potential" power of the Tiburon. What's wrong with that, just because the stock components don't add up to a superior model or it isn't a product of a penultimate design they shouldn't have pride in the car?

That's where you're wrong, buddy. Tiburon, WRX-these may mean BIG things to you, but to others(like me), they mean nothing; in the sense that if I owned either car, I'd look at them as equally worth it to modify, upgrade, whatever.

And although I don't really care about this whole, "Car A sucks, Car B rules" rant, I'm not a big fan of conformity. Although the members of the this board may not agree with me, it's people who often come and say stuff like "Car A sucks, owners of Car A shouldn't even dare compare themselves to Car B or standard C" that just makes me wanna go for the alternate choice(get Car A).


But that's just me. :p

I think you've got a good opinion about cars going.

I've driven WRXs plenty (I worked at a Subaru/Volvo dealership for summer jobs), and they've got a lot of strong points. Obviously the motor is powerful (once the turbo spools up), the seats are very comfortable and have firm bolsters, obviously it's AWD, and the styling is kind of unique. From talking to mechanics it seems that nothing really has a reputation for going bad on Subarus in general, but I've seen warranty pictures of a guy's motor after he attempted to turn up the boost really high AND spray nitrous....not pretty.

I used to have a 1996 Nissan Maxima GXE that I modified pretty extensively. The engine made great power all over the place, it handled really predictably (even better with 235/45R17 tires and 8" rims), and it sounded and looked great. Last November I was rear-ended at a stoplight and the car was totalled. Obviously I was extremely disappointed to see the car go, but I didn't feel as if I had some kind of loyalty to Nissan that required me to go get another Maxima. Now of course I was still looking at Maximas, but that was because the car satisfied my expectations as a good car, and I'd like to have a car that I know will meet those expecations again...modified or not.

In the end I got a 2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS coupe, but it was an automatic (my Maxima was a 5 speed). I liked the styling, I like the AWD, and it is a very comfortable car to drive (I drive ~5 hours to school a few times a year, so this is necessary). Having driven the car for a while, and at an autocross, I can say that now I'd rather have a 5 speed in it as well, because the automatic just frustrates me to no end. This is something that can be fixed, either by a swap this summer or by finding another 2.5 RS with a manual.

Finally, my baby, a 1984 Volvo 240 DL 2-door that is probably the filthiest and worst painted car you'll ever see. I got it for $205 at an auto auction to use it specifically as an autocross car. Since buying it a little over a year ago, I've put in a turbocharger, intercooler, swapped the cylinder head, changed the intake manifold, injectors, FPR, shocks, springs, swaybars, exhaust (obviously for the turbo), and I've switched to a standalone fuel injection system (Megasquirt). Now that car is a sleeper at 12 psi...since it's still a 10.3:1 motor.

Anyways, my point is the same as yours. I don't feel any need to go put other cars down and try to say my car is the best. But personally I'm one for seeing what the car can do with the driver at the wheel. I've seen cars at autocross events that have massive potential, but the driver is either new or tries to go balls to the wall and takes out half of the cones. On the other end, I recently saw a Ford Festiva on stock tires run almost as good a time as an Acura Integra GS-R with a lightened flywheel and all the suspension modifications. Heck, I've seen a Saturn continually get in the top 10 raw and pax times in my autocross region (Blue Ridge), and it's stock.

So anyways, do I consider myself a Maxima, Impreza 2.5RS, or 240 DL groupie? Absolutely not. I like my cars a lot, but if something were to happen to them (like the Maxima), and another car came along that I were interested in, I might just go ahead and get that newer car.

nisco
05-07-2004, 12:21 AM
does that include a lsd, cause 380 hp is all well and good, but without a lsd, id be able to beeat you.

and dude, there still isnt a gk in the 13s. dont get to far ahead of yourself.
there are 2 tibs in the 13s... gks... ripp mods s/c tib.. and beta.. has an alpine kit.. and jus put on the stage 2 kit...
ripp's s/c has half of teh stock stuff still on... and will easily break 12s...

aznxthuggie
05-08-2004, 12:41 AM
not to be an ass or anything, but the tiburon shouldn't be compared to a wrx, i mean if you buy them both, stock the wrx will destroy the tiburon, and whoever said the turbo kit would be $5800, with another $5800 the subby can do the same, now does hyundai even make cars with turbos? i know that subaru has been doing that for a long time, and their H4 engines are strong and reliable, also someone said the hyundai is more reliable than the subaru, can show me a link in which a hyundai outlasted a subaru? and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota, its just the experience of the car manufacturers, i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible (except the GREAT warranty and gas mileage?) whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with, and you'll see that it can and will be beat every time u upgrade

nisco
05-08-2004, 03:04 AM
not to be an ass or anything, but the tiburon shouldn't be compared to a wrx, i mean if you buy them both, stock the wrx will destroy the tiburon, and whoever said the turbo kit would be $5800, with another $5800 the subby can do the same, now does hyundai even make cars with turbos? i know that subaru has been doing that for a long time, and their H4 engines are strong and reliable, also someone said the hyundai is more reliable than the subaru, can show me a link in which a hyundai outlasted a subaru? and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota, its just the experience of the car manufacturers, i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible (except the GREAT warranty and gas mileage?) whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with, and you'll see that it can and will be beat every time u upgrade
...you didnt really read what this was about?.... we arent comparing the cars stock for stock... its obvious who would win...
we are comparing the cars for cost wise...
you spend 25k on a wrx... possibly more.. i can easily match and possibly pass a wrx by takin the money i saved up from buying a tib and puttin it into the tib....

whatever money u put into the tiburon throw the same at the car that your competing with
uhhh do you see what we are doing... we are comparing the other "cars" to teh tib... BY MONEY/ COST wise...
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....
its not match for match... its match cost....
you wanna keep throwing in money to a wrx... ill jus drop money into a tib...
easy and done..... simple

and the tiburon (in terms of performance) is almost exactly the same as a toyota celica, and thats the v6 hyundai against the I4 toyota
.....holy crap i cant believe you said anything like this... you obviously know nothing about either car....

i mean all the tiburon owners seem to be throwing everything at the wrx just to try n beat it, try running against STI's supras, rx7's, 300's 350'z, and all of those cars stock can already beat the tiburon in every way possible
uhh once again... compare teh price of all those stock... and compare the rice of teh gk...
when did everyone say the tib is built like a sports car... like al teh ones youve mentioned....
yourwhole post is pointless and brings nothing to the table... im sorry this post sounds mean.. but you mustnt have understood teh convo gon on... or you wouldnt have made this...

aznxthuggie
05-08-2004, 03:22 AM
i seem to have misinterpreted this thread =X sorry bout that, but still instead of comparing the wrx to the tiburon, you should compare it to something more similar, like something that is FF, making around the same HP, because this stuff turns into wars, watch, go to the car comparisons forum, inside "cars in general" find the evo 8 vs ls1 camaro or something, its LONG, and ive been reading up with that for awhile, the main things that keep it dragging along, are the 1/4 mile times, and the fact that the two cars are made for completely different reasons, just like in this thread, if you guys want to find a solution, i think u should compare cars that are more closely related in terms of price and performance, and if you want a turbo really car, then compare two turbo rally cars, the tiburon is made to be an entry level sports coupe, while the wrx is a low end rally sedan, anyways in terms of price + the warranty, the tiburon is a good way to go, but being that i dont know much about korean cars, or their reliability, i would shy away and go for a celica gts (same performance) or a RSX type S (better performance), also the nissan SE-R cost $17,990 and has lots of usable low end torque, and the new scion tC (the 3rd scion) will cost $16,450 (the price that you can get it for straight out of the dealer) and it has a 2.4 liter inline 4 engine that has 160hp and lots of low end torque all for around the same price (or lower) than the tiburon, thats just my .02 hopefully nothing offensive

nisco
05-08-2004, 06:23 PM
why does everyone think the rsx is so much better than the tib... once again ... its a drivers race... its been proven time and time again... youre overpaying for a no balls honda...
no disrespect to hondas... btu the rsx isnt anythiing to be afriad of
its a drivers race... the tib has a disadvantage because of teh fact it weighs about 250-300Lbs more than the rsx... thats it...
celica even the gts cannot compare ot teh tib...
and the sentra is a shit car....
and if you wanna go once again for price vs price... the tib would beat the rsx...
because youre spending more for an rsx... than a stock tib... take teh money you saved from gettin a tib and put that to performance mods...
thats what we are talking about.. this thread should not be turned into a flaming war or whats better
i knwo of accents that have beat skyline gtrs''''' yes im serious... you put enough time and MONEY into a car ... it can beat anything....
and dont worry i dont take anything youve said offensive... this is a discussion and i appreciate your imput... it makes for better threads!

WingRoad
05-11-2004, 11:35 PM
Nisco, I would have to disagree with many of your points. The Tiburon weighs 300lbs. heavier than the RSX because of poor chasis engineering to generate enough shifting positions between the i4 and V6 engines. When I refer to "poor" chasis, I am pointing out the rediculous amounts of copper and iron that Hyundai used to support the Santa-Fe motor inside the engine bay, the reason why the I4 Tiburon is rediculously slow is because of these chasis dilemma, although this was necessary to keep the Tiburon at a competitive price. I am a notorious Honda hater, but I do respect the quality that was put into the RSX. H-20C is a high reving Honda engine that is insanely fun to drive, yet probably lacks the punch to beat the Tiburon in a quarter-mile race. Yet a FF platform sports sedan/coupe is not meant to be dragged across a straightaway, as can be seen with Civic EK-9's, etc. I was especially ticked off for your bashing of the Sentra :P. The SE-R Spec V is the hands down winner amongst the pocket-friendly I4 sports-turned vehicle sections. It clearly stood out in the slalom, skid-pad, low-mid range torque and understeer to weight comparissons.
But you mentioned this thread was to promote "after-market" tune-ups of certain cars. Currently, the after-market inventories behind the 2003+ Tiburon's isn't that flexible yet. Will more mods be coming out in the future? This depends on marketing, commercialism, and corporate views on how Hyundai is trying to portray the Tiburon as. Currently, the Tiburon has no concrete direction on where it wants to go. To be honest, I think the Tiburon is still a boring car. Too much "me-too" auroa's coming from this automobile. The next thing we know, convertibles.... yikes. The I4 engine is way too Elantra-ish, and the torquey V6... needs more refinement if it wants to compete with other V6 sports coupes. The Celica is an absolute disaster so I refuse to discuss it. Scion is just another marketeering strategy Toyota has on youths. The next thing you know, the Matrix will be tossed out, and following it will be Scion's.
My stand on the RSX vs Tiburon is "absolutely don't care". You guys can go battle it out on the streets and decide whichever is the better. Personally I don't find ANYTHING sparkling behind those two vehicles, and to compare it would be furtherly more boring. If you really want to go across Car-manufacture head-ons, try debating over the 1999 WRC Accent VS a 1999 Impreza STi. Oh wait, neither companies engineered those cars :P.

nisco
05-12-2004, 12:53 AM
the rsx= the hyundai tiburon in everyway except weight... trust me
ITS A DRIVERS RACE...
the tib (i-4) is slow cause the cassis is heavy... and alot people know this... you are correct
im not bashing any car at all... all im sayin is that the rsx is an equal car celica and sentra are no where near close to being equal.... equal to the tib... the sentra and the celica are both extremely underpowered cars....

i do not know how the sante fe set up was brought in....
yes it is the "same" engine.... but the set up is different and the 250 WHP rumor is extremely false.... and no where near true....
thats why the sante fe is not compareable to the tib
the tiburon...... both i-4 and v6 have recieved many upgrades from many reputable companies... and some knowagable people....

the tib is very heavy... and if you wanted to "street race" or drag... its gonna be difficult...
in a slalomn... or soloII the tib will concoure... cause stock... YES STOCK it will over take almost all cars..... AND YES IM NOT bullshitting you want to have an advantage.... OR! you want a weight reduction.... but so does every other car in the world... they all want a weight reductiion...
the mods the hyundai tiburn has right now .... overcomes and overshadows many mods/ cars its upagainst

you compare the tib engine to the accent... hmmm its the sam company.. theyre trying to build a backing...
the tib has a huge following and hyundai knows where its going... so if you wanna throw numbers at me....... or if you wanna make up numbers........ please feel free to post em... the tib numbers are only gong up...
the other sport coupes that youre comparing it to are probably "sport" coupes the tib is a sport compact ....... it is not built as a race car

...i appologize if my response isnt totally readble.... ive been drinking all night...
and appreciate your response wing road... i do really... and i see your arguement... but youre underestimating the tib and have no idea of its potential

WingRoad
05-12-2004, 09:05 PM
I know......that....your......writing....was......ki nd of......in...increments...like...these :D.
Sorry if my numbers aren't EXACT, because, hey, who wants to research on a car that you wouldn't want to drive? :P.
"the other sport coupes that youre comparing it to are probably "sport" coupes the tib is a sport compact ....... it is not built as a race car".
What exactly is a race car? According to the authors of this forum, the Tiburon seems to be the WRX-beating, Mod-enriched, cheap-but-beats-all kind of "sports coupe". If this isn't meant to be a "race-car", god I don't know what to call it. The only reason why I'm not surprised if Hyundai has no direction for the Tiburon, take a look at the Mercury Cougar for example. It's not a car that stores company image, it's not a car for performance, it's not a car you'd see in JGTC. Then what is it? It's another consumer-friendly, consumer-attracting, consumer-vehicle that is just there to look nice and be "another" alternative in the sports coupe industry. The generation gap between the original Tiburon in the current Tiburon is just way too much of a leap. Customer after-care, according to 1st generation Tiburon owners, aren't going so pleasant, and there were no future modifications for that year. Toyota Celica, also suffers from after-debut changes, again, another consumer-scrapping sports coupe only to be placed to eat nibbles of other sports coupe sales.
The numbers for the Tiburon: simply nowhere to find. Why? No one cares, everybody knows, and the car isn't meant to boast any numerical reputations in the first place. I do know there is a 10, and a 100,000 in Hyundai's favorite number tests, all followed by the noun "warranty".
Driver's race? You mean to have good clutch meeting in a 0-60? You and I both know that it is extremely sad to do a straightaway stock vs stock vehicle comparisson, especially between entry level sports coupes. These are the typical mpegs that you can find on MIRC with labels "ILLEGAL STREET DRIFITNG CIVICS Si SMOKING DODGE VIPER", and all you see is a Dodge Caravan smoking a Toyota Avalon with 3 dudes in it.
Am I underestimating the Tiburon? Yes
Do I have an estimate of its potential? Pretty much, I mean it doesnt come as a second option to harness an all-aluminum i-4 2.0L turbo engine right?
Is there anything that can prove its potential? Good luck.
By the way, those Tuscani badges look nice, but you might want to try moving the front wheelbase back an extra 2-inches to avoid front-motion abrasions between the tire head and the fender guards :)

tibby01
05-12-2004, 09:33 PM
id like to read what is being said and jump in on the conversation, but you guys write to damn much.

nisco
05-13-2004, 12:59 AM
i agree 100% with you... its a mid entry sport compact...
i never said it wasnt... youre the first person to ever say that... and im impressed...
every car has potential... with enough money

91 shelby
05-14-2004, 10:10 PM
I am nu 2vc ths syt,n I need 2 no more on a 91 shelbyw/2.5

nisco
05-15-2004, 03:45 AM
whyd this get moved>?

LjasonL
05-15-2004, 04:07 AM
Okay 1st let me say, that up till about 2 weeks ago, if you looked in my driveway you'd see 2 cars. The Subaru in my signature, and an 03 Tiburon. I've spent a lot of time and done a lot of "aggressive" driving in both. I'm usually one to defend the Tiburon on these forums, because it is a really nice well put together and good looking car for it's price. But if you're concerned about performance, it can't even hold a candle to the WRX. No, not even by "spending the money you saved", which BTW, is a stupid comparison, because FINANCING and extra couple grand for the WRX and spending a couple grand CASH on mods for the Tiburon are 2 completely different things, so you CAN'T say that because the (4 cylinder) Tiburon is $4000 cheaper, you'll have $4,000 more to spend on mods. The real world just doesn't work like that.

Here's my comparison of the 2:

If you just want a daily driver and don't care about going fast at all, I encourage you to get the Tiburon. It looks nice, gets better gas mileage, has a pretty stable feel, plenty of get up and go for putting around time, less maintenance, etc. But looking at it from a performance standpoint, the WRX blows it out of the water. I'm sure you all know the WRX is faster in the numbers, so here's what you don't get from the numbers and stats, but from actually driving them both. The seating position in the WRX is much better, allowing you to see the road better and therefore drive better. The Tiburons position, on the other hand, is low, with a long hood that hampers judging distance from the front of the car, and high doorsills that block side visibility. These things hurt the cars manuverability. For the WRX, the car itself feels much more connected to the road and willing to do what you want it to do. The Tiburon, while solid and sturdy, is just uninspiring in the corners, and at times just plain scary. Uninspiring because, after driving something like a WRX, going through a corner leaves you thinking "gee, that wasn't very much fun." My next thought was almost ALWAYS "Wish I was driing the Subie instead". I've even muttered that out loud a few times to the passengers. Scary because you just don't "feel" the road.

Now my responses to individual comments:

the wrx... looks liek shit... both exterior and interior


Only your opinion, not fact. The Tiburon has an even cheaper feeling interior than the Subaru. Parts randomly fall off of the Tiburon when going over bumps. The silver trim on the bottom of the steering wheel fell off the SECOND DAY we got it home when my hand brushed it making a leisurely turn. I mean seriously, what the hell is that? My Impreza is all cheap plastic too, but at least the crap stays stuck where it's supposed to be.

look at the price... 30k+ and a -18k....

Actually, you can get a brand new 04 WRX off the lot for around 22, the dealership wanted over 23 for the V6 Tib we were checking out.

a tiburon = an rsx

Dude, don't kid yourself. The RSX has one of the most advanced drivetrains in the world, and a world renowned chassis and suspension. That is a really well setup car based on lots of experience both on and off track.

in performace... the tib weighs a bit more... so its a drivers race...

No it's not. The RSX Type S has been known to go low 15's to high 14's stock. The V6 Tiburon is more of a high 15's car. The Type S has been known to break 13's with basic bolt ons. You said yourself there have only been 2 new Tiburons to even break 13's, and they were both forced induction. I'm talking Intake, Header, Exhaust, ECU, Sticky tires and the right driver and you have a 13 second RSX. That's how much potential is in that car. The stock Type S heads flow better than most race ported LS1's.

the turbo kit im lookin into will be 5800
thats 380 whp on stock internals...

It will blow up eventually.

i can go to nextgenmotorsports.com and give tim 8 grand and put myself into the 11s....

Is this the twin turbo kit you were talking about? NO twin turbo kit alone is gonna put a new Tiburon into the 11's. The only way the car will get there on stock internals is with massive weight reduction.

theyre shootin for supras... 300zx... rx7s

All the cars you named make more power bone stock than 95% of TUNED Tiburons. The Tiburon isn't even on the same ballfield as those cars. You're barely even playing the same sport.

I've seen warranty pictures of a guy's motor after he attempted to turn up the boost really high AND spray nitrous....not pretty.

What's your point? You run a lot of boost and nitrous through the stock motor of ANY car, and the result will be "not pretty"

I am nu 2vc ths syt,n I need 2 no more on a 91 shelbyw/2.5

QUE???

TibsBeatALL
05-15-2004, 07:06 AM
how and where did u get a wrx for only 22 grand?
did it have like nothing on it?

flylwsi
05-15-2004, 11:30 AM
what is nothing on it, exactly?
the starting price is about 22k, dealer markup goes higher.
avg price is about 24k, which is what is recognized.

ldelaysionl has said everything i wanted to say, with the exception of this:

saying you could buy an 18k car and make it beat a 24k car by spending the extra 6k is a RICER excuse.

if you spent equal money on both cars, 6k on BOTH, you'd be right where you started.

trying to catch the wrx.

this goes back to the CLASSIC comparo:
civic hatch vs. zo6.
people said they'd take the hatch, b/c they'd spend the extra money to beat the zo6.

how seriously lame can that be?

5800 bucks into a wrx, and you're watching it walk away, after your 380hp (stock internal v6) tiburon pukes its guts out.

LjasonL
05-15-2004, 11:33 AM
how and where did u get a wrx for only 22 grand?
did it have like nothing on it?

I didn't. My car is a TS and I got it in '01 when there were very few new body Imprezas on the road. We were discussing pricing in the Impreza forum the other day and someone said:

Zach just got his WRX for just under $22,000USD. They gave him a deal on a short throw shifter install and an STI spoiler too.

So it just goes to show there are deals out there if you search. If you found the right dealer, I'm sure you could get a V6 Tiburon for under $20,000, but I couldn't find the right dealer for that.

SabreKhan
05-16-2004, 12:49 AM
Alright. I have driven both cars extensively. First, I must say that this conversation is asinine. WRX vs. Tiburon? That's the biggest apples and oranges comparison I've encountered yet on this website. Second, I must say that for once I agree with everything that Idelaysionl has written (usually I agree with most of it, but not all of it).
An ex-girlfriend of mine had a Tiburon, and while it was an OK car for zooming around town in, I would never in a million years compare it to the WRX. The Tiburon would be much more comfortable going up against Cavaliers and Sunfires and Foci. Or, for that matter, my Saturn. The Tiburon did its job well: entry level sporty coupe. It was, however, in no way comparable to the WRX.
A Subaru Impreza WRX is a driver's car. Yes, the interiors are cheap. Yes, the exterior styling could be better than it is. But in the performance per dollar category, I think the WRX is the top of the totem pole. A Subaru dealership is currently offering me a WRX for under $21000, brand new. Granted, that's bone stock except for a short-throw shifter. But even bone stock, the WRX outclasses the Tiburon in almost every category except possibly fuel mileage. The '02 WRX can be had for under $14k, if price is an issue.
If you're on this website regularly, you're obviously thinking about cars a whole lot. Shouldn't you be willing to put in the extra maintenance that a WRX requires? Besides, as an old BMW enthusiast once told me when I was shopping for my M-Coupe, "You'll be glad you bought the car you wanted instead of the car you settled for. Money can always be re-earned. Happiness, not as easily."

TatII
05-17-2004, 10:10 AM
hmmm we have alot of biased tiburon owners here huh? flywsi why don't you and delaysional tell these guys about how weak their v6's are? and the main crank bearing cap bolts will rip right out of the soft block at only 300crank hp? so much for 380whp on that twin turbo v6 eh? and that is not even a problem you can fix by changing rods and pistons and sleeves. its a flaw in the most basic yet most unchangable part. if you want a tib and make it fast. get a 4 cylinder. their blocks are known to hold up better under boost, and the best bonus of all is that since you guys always talk about using money saved on upgrades. well you can use the money you saved over the v6 to the I4 on the I4. but beware you have a freaking 10 year warrantee which means you can do serious work to the car ( IE: turbo ) without voiding warrantee. which defeats your whole argument of the car having a better warantee

you can either keep the car stock ( slow ) and have your warantee incase something goes wrong

or you can hook it up and throw your great warantee out the window and pray that nothing will blow up or all apart.

naylor
05-17-2004, 05:37 PM
Its a fuckin hyundai...

flylwsi
05-17-2004, 05:46 PM
that was insightful. :rolleyes:

SabreKhan
05-23-2004, 01:51 AM
Back to the pricing issue, I just bought a WRX today (Saturday, May 22 '04) brand new for a little over $23000, and that came with a short-throw shifter, three-gauge pack, column-mounted turbo gauge, 6-disc CD changer, tape deck, security system, and all the regular stuff that comes on the WRX (A/C, ABS, AWD, cruise, etc.). So I am your firsthand witness that it can be had for cheap.

landshark155mph
06-22-2004, 05:22 AM
the tib is the most under rated sport compact.

a wrx is not faster than a tib gt( i was beating them with just a cai a 200 usd upgrade) from 50-60 mph rolls. of coarse out of the hole the awd owns but thats a drivetrain issue.

the only subby that i fear is the sti its a monster but if i had f/i....it would be a different story

nisco is right bout the rsx being a drivers race my buddy has a 04 rsx with i/h/e/hondata reflash + 17 volks and i run even with him up to bout 125 then he starts to walk bout 2 cars to 150 i only have i/e and some weight reduction.

but a stock wrx will not be able to keep up with a lightly modded tib the bottom line is that for the same amount of money the tib will win hands down
everytime

flylwsi
06-22-2004, 10:55 AM
it's not faster?
stock for stock, it gets owned by the wrx.
sorry.

nice of you to bring up a month old thread, with some sketchy info...

but a stock wrx will not be able to keep up with a lightly modded tib the bottom line is that for the same amount of money the tib will win hands down
everytime
so for the one time you came across a STOCK wrx with your MODDED tib, you beat it?
that means that wrx's are overrated, right?
right.

what's a "a 200 usd upgrade"?
is that a 200 dollar upgrade?

b/c if you put 200 bucks into a wrx and did a little work, it'd still beat you.

what did your car run stock?
(if you don't know, you don't know what a wrx will run...)

if you're close to low 14's STOCK, we'll talk.
what's your car run now?
if it's close to low 14's MODDED, you can keep posting.

tibby01
06-22-2004, 04:55 PM
such a hatefull world we live in. everyone downing everyone else's car, just to make theirs look better.

ill try to defend hyundais in every way possible, but there is simply no comparison between a wrx and a tiburon.

landshark155mph
06-23-2004, 01:13 AM
it's not faster?
stock for stock, it gets owned by the wrx.

so for the one time you came across a STOCK wrx with your MODDED tib, you beat it?
that means that wrx's are overrated, right?
right.


what's a "a 200 usd upgrade"?

200 "United States Dollar" upgrade
is that a 200 dollar upgrade?

b/c if you put 200 bucks into a wrx and did a little work, it'd still beat
you.


what did your car run stock?
(if you don't know, you don't know what a wrx will run...)

if you're close to low 14's STOCK, we'll talk.
what's your car run now?
if it's close to low 14's MODDED, you can keep posting.

true but with just and cai on a gt tib will walk a stock wrx

first off i just beat one this last saturday he had exhaust from what i could see. he wasn't even a challenge. and that is like the fifth one i have beaten

the one i beat last weekend had at least 200 usd put into it but the point is if i put spend 23k on a stock wrx and i spend 20k on a stock tib and then put the extra 3k into it for a totel of 23k the same as a stock wrx. the tib would murder the stock wrx easily but it only takes a 200 dollar upgrade to run with a wrx. keep in mind i'm not talking bout the drag strip

like i need your permission to post, plus what do u drive

dude, with my tib i run 9.4 in the 1/8 but my car is not set up for drag it is setup for highspeed runs my drag racing starts at 50mph rolls

what do u drive?

the tib is not made for the drag strip, hence the fwd layout. from a dig awd will always have an advantage over fwd but from a roll the awd advantage is lessened all wrx i have beaten r on open roads with turns and straights where u have to use all 3 pedals to compete!! if i wanted a drag car a would just bring out the ws6.

Big Joer
06-25-2004, 03:48 PM
You want a cheap, fast car that can be fast as stink when modded for a coupld thousand (much less if you go junkyard shopping)? Buy a DSM, esp 1st gen AWD turbo talon. Doesnt look that great though, a 3rd gen will look better and be almost as good, check it out (http://www.dsmtuners.com)

HTH

Big J

DaVillian92
05-04-2011, 08:55 AM
All right, i have an 03 tiburon v6 manual. My neighbor has the wrx impreza. Ill say right now, that damn wrx is a beast. Its a tiny little car, but its AWD and stock turbo give it a take off speed that doesnt compare to the tib. Which sux for me. But the tib has, hands down, the top speed that u cant beat. We race all the time and ill admit in a shorter sprint hes a leader. But wen we get down to dyno tests, circut runs, and price evaluation, the tiburon definitely beats the wrx. The wrx, for the cost, you get everything u really need. Only a few mods left for it. The tib, with a lil more cash flow and sum time, you can make a real power house. Ide say, if u got the cash and dont wana mod the shit outta of a car, go with the WRX. If you got some extra cash, get the tib and jus start throwing on mods. Ive started modding mine and im starting to close that gap between myself and that WRX. here's a sentence that will explain wat i mean here: "the wrx is nimbler and lighter than the tib, but the tib is that racer ur lookin for." the WRX is a rally car, thats obvious...so unless u want a rally car, dont go with it. Get the tib and start pitting that out for a show. WRX are nice for people who dont wana do alot to a car or wana do alot and have alot of $$$. But...its a toss up. It comes down to what ur lookin for.

DaVillian92
05-04-2011, 09:18 AM
Also, if ur lookin for a drifter, the wrx is nice and will handle great. But if ur lookin to challenge urself and want to look really awesome, really practice with the tib and get that beast to horn corners. Ive been workin on it and ill tell ya, it looks pretty bad ass coming around sum of those corners....lol. The WRX is nice, but its an obvious car for a drift. Go big or go home.

DaVillian92
05-04-2011, 09:46 AM
I forgot to add this, if ur lookin to put an aftermarket sound system in, go with the tib especially. The door speakers in the wrx have to be modded to be inserted. The wrx doors are narrow and cant fit jus any ole speakers. Ull have to get specific speakers or get sum speaker mount modifications. It took $200+ for my neighbor and i to drop his door speakers in. I havent had an issue with the tib system. I dropped a couple aftermarket door speakers in along with a 12" kenwood sub in the back. Sounds great, gets a thumpin, and looks bad ass without takin all ur trunk space. (The WRX has considerable more trunk space, but is not a hatchback or hydro trunk.)

DaVillian92
05-04-2011, 09:55 AM
true but with just and cai on a gt tib will walk a stock wrx

first off i just beat one this last saturday he had exhaust from what i could see. he wasn't even a challenge. and that is like the fifth one i have beaten

the one i beat last weekend had at least 200 usd put into it but the point is if i put spend 23k on a stock wrx and i spend 20k on a stock tib and then put the extra 3k into it for a totel of 23k the same as a stock wrx. the tib would murder the stock wrx easily but it only takes a 200 dollar upgrade to run with a wrx. keep in mind i'm not talking bout the drag strip

like i need your permission to post, plus what do u drive

dude, with my tib i run 9.4 in the 1/8 but my car is not set up for drag it is setup for highspeed runs my drag racing starts at 50mph rolls

what do u drive?

the tib is not made for the drag strip, hence the fwd layout. from a dig awd will always have an advantage over fwd but from a roll the awd advantage is lessened all wrx i have beaten r on open roads with turns and straights where u have to use all 3 pedals to compete!! if i wanted a drag car a would just bring out the ws6.



Totally agree. The dude thats givin u crap needs to screw off. Srry man, but these tibs arent bad.

Jus like this guy said, if i wanted a drag car, i woulda got one. My tib burns out all 3 WRXs in town in the long run.

Sprints (drags) arent the only racing types there are. I run circuts all the time and the tib destroys.

WRXs are quick off the line, but thats about it really. Their aftermarket mods dont perform and enhance nearly as much as they would on a tiburon.

DaVillian92
05-04-2011, 10:00 AM
that was insightful. :rolleyes:
lol. Everyone is so hateful. Ah well. Ill be the adult here and say it straight up, i have a tiburon modded a lil, and ive raced wrxs. Theyre quick as fuh...and they can beat the tib easy. BUT!!!, when the dude says $ for $, the tib cant be beat....hes right. The WRXs i race are bought for $15k. I got the tib for $6K. So lets do a lil math, im smoking wrxs now in the long runs, yet ive only put down $1,000 at most...so in full cost(with the original $) im lookin at my cars net worth bein around $12k....and it smokes WRXs. But maybe they jus cant drive....lol. Anywho...Jus a thot.

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