2004 San Marino Grand Prix at Imola

. Michael Schumacher Germany Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 20.084secs
2. Rubens Barrichello Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 21.443secs
3. Ralf Schumacher Germany Williams-BMW 1min 22.250secs
4. Anthony Davidson Britain BAR-Honda 1min 22.398secs
5. Jenson Button Britain BAR-Honda 1min 22.448secs
6. Juan Montoya Colombia Williams-BMW 1min 22.796secs
7. Jarno Trulli Italy Renault-Renault 1min 22.927secs
8. Kimi Raikkonen Finland McLaren-Mercedes 1min 23.054secs
9. Fernando Alonso Spain Renault-Renault 1min 23.083secs
10. Ricardo Zonta Brazil Toyota-Toyota 1min 23.161secs
11. David Coulthard Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1min 23.197secs
12. Mark Webber Australia Jaguar-Cosworth 1min 23.417secs
13. Giancarlo Fisichella Italy Sauber-Petronas 1min 23.528secs
14. Felipe Massa Brazil Sauber-Petronas 1min 23.562secs
15. Olivier Panis France Toyota-Toyota 1min 23.790secs
16. Takuma Sato Japan BAR-Honda 1min 24.061secs
17. Bjorn Wirdheim Sweden Jaguar-Cosworth 1min 24.152secs
18. Cristiano da Matta Brazil Toyota-Toyota 1min 24.752secs
19. Nick Heidfeld Germany Jordan-Ford 1min.24.955secs
20. Giorgio Pantano Italy Jordan-Ford 1min 25.375secs
21. Christian Klien Austria Jaguar-Cosworth 1min 25.679secs
22. Timo Glock Germany Jordan-Ford 1min 26.254secs
23. Gianmaria Bruni Italy Minardi-Cosworth 1min 27.933secs
24. Zsolt Baumgartner Hungary Minardi-Cosworth 1min 29.312secs
25. Bas Leinders Belgium Minardi-Cosworth 1min 29.414secs

As found on crash.net. Discuss please, and hope to see a nice red parade on the podium. :biggrin:

That was session 1. Here are the times from the second friday practice session.
Pos Driver Team T Time Gap

1
Button BAR M 1:20.966 136.289 mph
2 Sato BAR M 1:21.159 0.193
3 M Schumacher Ferrari B 1:21.164 0.198
4 Raikkonen McLaren M 1:21.586 0.620
5 Trulli Renault M 1:21.604 0.638
6 Davidson BAR M 1:21.643 0.677
7 Montoya WilliamsF1 M 1:21.661 0.695
8 Alonso Renault M 1:21.788 0.822
9 Coulthard McLaren M 1:21.795 0.829
10 R Schumacher WilliamsF1 M 1:22.057 1.091
11 Barrichello Ferrari B 1:22.096 1.130
12 Webber Jaguar M 1:22.167 1.201
13 Panis Toyota M 1:22.768 1.802
14 da Matta Toyota M 1:22.780 1.814
15 Massa Sauber B 1:23.043 2.077
16 Klien Jaguar M 1:23.211 2.245
17 Fisichella Sauber B 1:23.335 2.369
18 Wirdheim Jaguar M 1:23.470 2.504
19 Zonta Toyota M 1:23.500 2.534
20 Heidfeld Jordan B 1:23.866 2.900
21 Pantano Jordan B 1:24.091 3.125
22 Bruni Minardi B 1:25.653 4.687
23 Baumgartner Minardi B 1:25.760 4.794
24 Leinders Minardi B 1:27.025 6.059

BARs in front, they could be very strong here. Also the same tendency we saw in Bahrain and Malaysia - Ferraris absolutely inihilate everyone and then hardly ever top the timing sheets until the last qualifying run. We'll see what happens.

Discuss please
What's to discuss? Conclusion, foregone. Do some ironing, mow the lawn, watch it grow again :sleeping:

and hope to see a nice red parade on the podium. :biggrin:
Variety not your style? :p

OK, so prequalifying is under way. 5 drivers did their laps and Schumi in front so foar. BARs are showing fantastic pace again. Perhaps that Ferrari mid wing (they even painted it red! :D) is helping. Renaults seem to be struggling a lot though. Should have used a Ferrari mid-wing instead of the new engine. Ralf is starting his lap.

... and goes quickest by a hair.

... only to be bettered by Montoya

Ralf before Montoya? I was under the impression they started in championship order? Must be classifications from the last race or something. :dunno:

They started in the championship (2003 championship, that is) order at the first race, after that it's in the order they finished the previous race.

Okay, since the only qually session I've seen live is the first one that explains that!

So the top prequali positions are (speaking in code):
JPM
RS
MS
DC
JB
GF
RB
TS
KR

DC>KR-BS! LOL

You don't like DC much, do you? :)

DC is fine, he does the "Shumi Chop" even better than the man himself. Not good for KR to be slower than him though.
Honestly I just wanted to respond in your 'code' and that was the first thing that came to mind :p

I'm curious to find out if Kimi had a problem or Mclaren just decided to make a mockery of qualifying ... again. Good job. :rolleyes:

McLaren make a mockery of qualifying? I think the FIfrigginA got there first :rolleyes: All anybody can do now is highlight the fact.

How is what Mclaren are doing different to what Arrows and especially Minardi did? I seem to recall you being very critical of Minardi.

Damn! :eek: Button 0.7 sec. faster than Rubens! DC's turn.

DC just 8th (so far 1.3) off Button.

Dammit, your getting the feed before my TV or your watching live timing online...

????

I'm not critical of Minardi (Stoddy is another matter). Refresh my memory, what did Minardi do especially? Do you mean not run in qualifying and skip parc ferme? Good show.

In fact I'm dissapointed they don't just fit a fresh engine before each race. Although on current form that would drop them behind Jordan :eek: They'd never do that these days, they're relying on Bernie's handouts so must toe the line tighter than anybody, sigh.

Yes, that's what I meant, but never mind. Schumi messed up on his lap and is behind Button with just two Williamses to go.

Ralf 4th...

Damn Button was quick. Schumi was really on the ragged edge and made a mistake. The Williams look like they're running more fuel...

Make that 5th as JPM takes 3rd place. First pole for Button and BAR. Superb job. Followed by Schumi, JPM, Rubens, Ralf, Alonso, Sato, Webber, Trulli, da Matta DC, Massa ... Raikkonen and Fisi at the end.

Make your prdeictions for the race, gentlemen! I'll wait a little for mine, need to think about it :)

Jay, I wouldn't say Schumi was on the ragged edge, I just watched his lap again, his car was on rails until he took that left curb in Variante Alta too aggressively whcih pushed him wide. Button's lap was just impeccable though. Waiting for the press conference.

I only saw it once and it seemd to me he was pushing pretty hard. As you say, waiting for the press conf :)

Well, he was pushing hard, but it still seemed like Jenson worked the steering wheel somewhat more than Schumi.

Come on now, let's hear some predictions for the race!

Schumi's lap was "all or nothing", he said ;)

How must Monty be feeling sitting next to Jenson? The way McLaren are going (or not, as is more often the case) their career paths look to be diverging pretty fast..

Yeah, Schumacher hasn't been on the ragged edge since Mika became a daddy.

11th and last, must be the worst qualifying performance by Ronzo's boys since Long Beach '83. Can't see 'em repeating the Sunday form from back then.

Predictions?

MS
JPM
JB

I still think JB isnt as good as he should be at protecting his position on the track... i think schumi & jpm will both get past him whether it's strategy or on-track

11th and last, must be the worst qualifying performance by Ronzo's boys since Long Beach '83. Can't see 'em repeating the Sunday form from back then.
You're gonna have to expand a little on that, grandpa

j/k :biggrin:

The first corner will be very interesting, after that, procession.

1983 US GP at Long beach. Ferrari qualified on the first row (Tambay in front of Arnoux) with Mclaren 22 with Watson and 23rd with Lauda. Then they went on to finish 1-2 (Watson taking the win) and lapping everyone but Arnoux's Ferrari. Fat chance tomorrow :p

The first corner will be very interesting, after that, procession.

Concurr. If Schumacher gets ahead at the start it will all be over. If he doesn't it will all be over by the first stops.

You're gonna have to expand a little on that, grandpa

j/k :biggrin:

Jay, I thought you were a student of F1. Surely you'd be aware of one of the the most astounding back of the grid to victory drives ever?

1983 US GP at Long beach. Ferrari qualified on the first row (Tambay in front of Arnoux) with Mclaren 22 with Watson and 23rd with Lauda. Then they went on to finish 1-2 (Watson taking the win) and lapping everyone but Arnoux's Ferrari. Fat chance tomorrow :p

Memories, they are all we modern McLaren fans have to keep ourselves warm these days :(

Ask your children to bring you a warm water bottle :D

Thanks Alex, my memories will do for now! Might go and do some work on my M8B!

Jay, I thought you were a student of F1. Surely you'd be aware of one of the the most astounding back of the grid to victory drives ever?
I'm a fan, not a historian :p

Sounds like a great drive

I'm a fan, not a historian :p

Sounds like a great drive

No problemo Fanboy! :)

Truth be told, whilst Wattie was superb, it was more a case of an extremely bad qualifying session. Coupled with a big nights work by the team and some inspired punting by Keke Rosberg - the feat is yet to be equalled!

Reports are that it is raining in Imola (no idea how hard) at the moment and that there will be rain throughout the race. Rains hard = Bridgestone territory, slight drizzle+damp and greasy track = Michelin territory. Hope for the former :D

I hope it is pouring down too...











...causing Max to slip and have a little accident :bricks1:

Lol!

5 hour torrential thunderstorm last night, looking nice n sunny now

Yep, just looked at the live pictures, it is dry and somewhat sunny, but there are quite a few clouds in the sky. Anyway, with the track being washed it seems like Bridgestone will have an advantage as we've seen them perform very well on green tracks.

ITV did a nice feature on what happens to a driver's heart rate when driving an F1 car.

Gianmaria Bruni's rate goes from ~40bpm when he wakes up in the morning (which is admittedly low) to 160bpm in the car on his qualifying lap!! He was working damn hard though, that Minardi has no downforce whatsoever!

Yep, just looked at the live pictures, it is dry and somewhat sunny, but there are quite a few clouds in the sky. Anyway, with the track being washed it seems like Bridgestone will have an advantage as we've seen them perform very well on green tracks.
Indeed. I've got an inkling MS will beat JB to the first corner.

Could i have been more wrong!!! Action packed start!

Looks to be another sorry race for DC & McL

Replay of JPM's attempted overtaking of MS doesnt show any wrong-doing on MS's part, he was on the racing line.. catching JB now

MS .6 and .9 of a second faster than JB on the 2nd and 3rd laps.

Sato is in a great 4th. So, are BARs running light or just that fast?

Schumacher has caught Button. Now watch him wait for the first stops.

RB needs to start moving forward now....

Pantano out, Rubens on Ralf's wing and Montoya pits.

JB posts two consecutive faster laps than MS, but into the pits first!

Button pits, Schumi leads.

Jenson in, here we go.

Very slow stop for Button compared to JPM, wish we were shown their respective positions. MS on a flyer of a lap.

BAR vs Ferrari pitstops ....ronund one to the red ones!