What would u do with 20,000 to make the fastest car it could buy.

Srry i mean to specify that i ment $20,000

What would u do with 20,000 to make the fastest car it could buy.

buy a fourth gen (93-97) camaro Z28 and supercharge it......the car itself will cost anywhere between $5000 and $9000. then a supercharger kit for around $4000, basice engine mods and exhaust and headers, gears, maybe a new stronger tranny and a shot of Nos and you should be under the $20000 and pushing well over 550hp with Nos.

of course if I wanted a jap car I'd go with a civic and gut the engine and get a type R engine installed in it (such as a B18C5 or such) with a manual tranny and a few juicy mods like an exhaust, headers and intake. This would also be under 20g's and will give you an awesome street car pushing around 250hp, which is a lot for such a light car. Once again, Nos is always an option :evillol:

2nd gen escort GT...swap to the GT-R and build the internals and new tranny and clutch... with change to spaire about 500hp and 450 Lbs Tq in a car under 2500lbs WHICH IS BETTER THEN CRAPY CIVICS>>>>>

Lincoln Mark VII GTC.

Hehe, the project im working on now, 3S-GTE powered MR2.

An old Mustang like mine. They're cheap, (relatively) and there are SO many mods available for them it's not even funny. Swap in a T-5 or an AOD, get a fuel injection set up for it and a procharger, you now have a very fast car. They have full suspension, steering and brake upgrades too. A complete bolt on rack and pinion steering set up with or without power assist, tubular upper and lower control arms and tubular subframe connectors, KYB nitro shocks, bolt on rear slotted disc brakes, slotted Baer front brakes... fiberglass fenders hood and trunk deck... You can get one of those old things to haul ass on the strip or the track for under 20K. (with just a standard interior, not including a bad assed paint job).

PS, I would have said old 1st gen Camaro since they're cheaper to get high horsepower from, but for some reason those things have people asking LUDICROUS prices for them, so most of the 20K would be just for the car itself.

Yah i was thinking taking a CRX putting a integra type R engine then possibly turbocharge it upgrade cams then exhaust that would kick ass. :evillol:

Hey all love the ideas keep em coming.

Oh the scort would be under 20,000 it would be prob under 10,000

2nd gen escort GT...swap to the GT-R and build the internals and new tranny and clutch... with change to spaire about 500hp and 450 Lbs Tq in a car under 2500lbs WHICH IS BETTER THEN CRAPY CIVICS>>>>>
I'd still take the Civics handling and technology, over the Escorts lumbering from corner to corner and shit-all advancement............



BTW: My budget for buying cars is about US$32,000, so I do spend that on cars. But for $20,000, give me an S15 200SX (Silvia 250hp stock), big front mount intercooler, pod filter, 3 inch exhaust, Blow-off Valve. Might be able to do some suspension work within the budget, but I doubt it.

Not under US$20,000 you say? Well it would be in New Zealand and considering I lived there all those years, I can pretend I still do.............. depending on how quickly they are depreciating.

the escort handles better after suspension and what technology?

the escort handles better after suspension and what technology?
So do Civics.............They ultimately outdo Escorts (or as we called them, Lasers)



Technology??? Ever get 240 bhp out of a N/A 2.0 16 valve I4??? Honda did, admittedly that was the S2000, but 180 out of a 1.6 of similar specs.... all through Variable Valve Timing.........Who'da thunk it? Though the concept is old now (First integrated in Hondas road cars in 1985), VTEC has and will always a revolution. Then there is the amazing chassis engineering, allowing the Civic (Except the latest one, with the exception of the Type R) to be an entertaining drive and dynamics champion of the small-medium class, with the Alfa 147, Ford Focus and Peugeot 306

Along with BMW and Ferrari, Honda will always be the engineers choice. Until someone betters them, that they will remain

I guess, i just have never liked the feel of the civics... i guess it depends on the person. As for the S2000 wow who cares (IMO) yes it was a good job for honda (born of the rice field) but i dont like it.


I guess the reason i like the escorts/lasers better becouse not many people mod them. there are a crap load of honda which are poorly moddid and look like crap... but to each there own.

I guess, i just have never liked the feel of the civics... i guess it depends on the person. As for the S2000 wow who cares (IMO) yes it was a good job for honda (born of the rice field) but i dont like it.


I guess the reason i like the escorts/lasers better becouse not many people mod them. there are a crap load of honda which are poorly moddid and look like crap... but to each there own.
True, but then the Civic was always going to be the graduation gift of choice for C students across America............

haha, yes :iceslolan

1st gen Eagle talon TSI (turboAWD) forged, larger injectrs, Turbos,cams, exhaust,ecu, nitrous, FMIC, drag suspension, clutch, blah blah blah. This could go on forever, but basically a 10-11 second DSM. A CRX would be a lot of fun though....

So do Civics.............They ultimately outdo Escorts (or as we called them, Lasers)



Technology??? Ever get 240 bhp out of a N/A 2.0 16 valve I4??? Honda did, admittedly that was the S2000, but 180 out of a 1.6 of similar specs.... all through Variable Valve Timing.........Who'da thunk it? Though the concept is old now (First integrated in Hondas road cars in 1985), VTEC has and will always a revolution. Then there is the amazing chassis engineering, allowing the Civic (Except the latest one, with the exception of the Type R) to be an entertaining drive and dynamics champion of the small-medium class, with the Alfa 147, Ford Focus and Peugeot 306

Along with BMW and Ferrari, Honda will always be the engineers choice. Until someone betters them, that they will remain

Civics are not performance cars. They aren't road handling machines, they were never built to be. They're ok for their price, but they aren't speed machines and they certainly aren't track demons, no matter what engine you get from the factory, they'd have to be heavily modified to be called 'performance' cars.

VVT is a cool technology, but:

http://www.dukeofgloucester.co.uk/caprotti.htm

Not EVEN close to a new idea. The aftermarket has been toying with ways to dynamically change the cam profile for decades. Honda was just the first (that I know of) to use a mass produced electronic method. Ever hear of Rhoads lifters? Check them out, they changed the way performance lifters were made back in the sixties and actually utilized a hydraulic method of changing the cam profile on a PUSHROD engine, though it wasn't with the same mechanical method that Honda uses. That was over 30 years ago.

Honda is definitely a good company, certainly the best the Japanese have, but they aren't the end-all car company.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m3012/9_181/79007382/p1/article.jhtml


Just check that out. GM and Honda are going to be crashing heads together within the next 10 years or so, just you watch. GM is no slouch with technology either, especially with the pool of worldwide engineers they have at their beck and call.

certainly the best the Japanese have

HA! :screwy: HARDLY.

Post immaturity explanation: The best at what actually?

Sales: Nope, Toyota beat GM at that one.

Performance: Nope, the top 3 performing 4 CYL's are the 3S-GTE(Toyota), the SR20DET(Nissan) and the 4G (Mitsu). Guess what they all have in common? A TURBO, the only real way to make great power on a 2 liter or less.

Gas Economy: Well its already proof that Toyota can meet the 100HP per liter with equal torque while still having the power potential for huge #'s on an unopened motor (3S-GTE or the 2JZ) But what about gas economy. Nope, I forgot, Toyota is #1 there too, being the lead and pioneers of hybrid technology, and with the Volta underway my god...

So yet again how are they the best? I mean they have 2 sports cars under their name. 1. The S2000, overrated at best, no power potential whatsoever as an NA, i dont care how many RPM it goes to. And the NSX.

The NSX, while I love it to death, also doesnt have great power potential with that engine. Its a beast on the track but thats only where it can use the MR layout to its advantage (cornering.) But its not exactly a great all around sports car when it comes to power potential.

The only things that Honda is the best at are:
1. Making cheap, affordable, economical grocery getters.
2. Making the best FF chassis (which is a great trait, but isnt the best racing layout in the world)
3. At giving posers a car to destroy, and humiliate themselves with as they try to pretend that their cars are faster than they are. (Ricers)

Im no Honda hater, I just know what their strengths are, they are good at what they do. They make great bikes, and very economical cheap cars to serve their purpose. But performance? I dont think so... not the best at in any way.

They dont have a rotary to compete with Mazda.
They dont have an AWD/FR beast like the Skyline.
They dont compare to Toyota.
They dont have any AWD's or Turbos.
Their sales are declining....

When it comes down to automotive performance, they fall short, and isnt this what the thread is all about, I mean unless best import is a question without performance as a category then... Honda?

Bring on the flames....
:evillol:

Civics are not performance cars. They aren't road handling machines, they were never built to be. They're ok for their price, but they aren't speed machines and they certainly aren't track demons, no matter what engine you get from the factory, they'd have to be heavily modified to be called 'performance' cars.

VVT is a cool technology, but:

http://www.dukeofgloucester.co.uk/caprotti.htm

Not EVEN close to a new idea. The aftermarket has been toying with ways to dynamically change the cam profile for decades. Honda was just the first (that I know of) to use a mass produced electronic method. Ever hear of Rhoads lifters? Check them out, they changed the way performance lifters were made back in the sixties and actually utilized a hydraulic method of changing the cam profile on a PUSHROD engine, though it wasn't with the same mechanical method that Honda uses. That was over 30 years ago.

Honda is definitely a good company, certainly the best the Japanese have, but they aren't the end-all car company.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m3012/9_181/79007382/p1/article.jhtml


Just check that out. GM and Honda are going to be crashing heads together within the next 10 years or so, just you watch. GM is no slouch with technology either, especially with the pool of worldwide engineers they have at their beck and call.
Any Civic that reads Type R or SiR, most certainly is quite a track weapon.


The lesser models are not, but they are still fun to punt around, better than most front drivers, especially the sappy competitors from Japan.......

Laclean: Excatly, they all use a Turbo, the SR20DE, 3SGE get whipped stupid by the B16a and B18c, if you're going to compare N/A to N/A.

Speaking of fuel economy, as much as I don't give a shit- the Civic IMA and Insight, get better milage than a Prius- which gets out-sipped by a few diesels.

I also would deem the Integra and Civic Type R's sports cars as well, and the Prelude VTiR with ATTS......

Also, the Rotary is a silly thing to say, no-one really does a rotary except Mazda.......These days they don't anyway...........

The rumorr mill also suggests an Accord (aka TSX) 2.2 Turbo with AWD in the pipeline, so that'll be interesting.....They do compare to Toyota, they in fact compare to them in every way- the two companies are dead-set rivals, when you think about it, the only Jap companies that have been financially stable for the past 10 years, or if not owned partly by someone else.

Are you kidding, the BEAMS 3SGE outclasses the B16A completely. But im sure you dont even know about that one...

The Civic Type-R and Integra are NOT sports cars. Dont know who lead you to believe that. They are "sport compact cars" or "hot hatches." Ur lucky if people dont call them econobox's...

In what ways does Honda compare in any way? And how are they rivals? Does Honda's dwinling sales have Toyota shaking in their boots? Because last time I checked, the only close competitors for Toyota were the GM companies.

HA! :screwy: HARDLY.

Post immaturity explanation: The best at what actually?

Sales: Nope, Toyota beat GM at that one.

Performance: Nope, the top 3 performing 4 CYL's are the 3S-GTE(Toyota), the SR20DET(Nissan) and the 4G (Mitsu). Guess what they all have in common? A TURBO, the only real way to make great power on a 2 liter or less.

Gas Economy: Well its already proof that Toyota can meet the 100HP per liter with equal torque while still having the power potential for huge #'s on an unopened motor (3S-GTE or the 2JZ) But what about gas economy. Nope, I forgot, Toyota is #1 there too, being the lead and pioneers of hybrid technology, and with the Volta underway my god...

So yet again how are they the best? I mean they have 2 sports cars under their name. 1. The S2000, overrated at best, no power potential whatsoever as an NA, i dont care how many RPM it goes to. And the NSX.

The NSX, while I love it to death, also doesnt have great power potential with that engine. Its a beast on the track but thats only where it can use the MR layout to its advantage (cornering.) But its not exactly a great all around sports car when it comes to power potential.

The only things that Honda is the best at are:
1. Making cheap, affordable, economical grocery getters.
2. Making the best FF chassis (which is a great trait, but isnt the best racing layout in the world)
3. At giving posers a car to destroy, and humiliate themselves with as they try to pretend that their cars are faster than they are. (Ricers)

Im no Honda hater, I just know what their strengths are, they are good at what they do. They make great bikes, and very economical cheap cars to serve their purpose. But performance? I dont think so... not the best at in any way.

They dont have a rotary to compete with Mazda.
They dont have an AWD/FR beast like the Skyline.
They dont compare to Toyota.
They dont have any AWD's or Turbos.
Their sales are declining....

When it comes down to automotive performance, they fall short, and isnt this what the thread is all about, I mean unless best import is a question without performance as a category then... Honda?

Bring on the flames....
:evillol:

You know, now that I think about it, you're right about something in this, Toyota is better. I'll leave my post un edited just to show my mistake, but Toyota is more reliable in the long run, from myself and other peoples experiences. Nissan isn't bad either, I have had extremely good luck with my little truck, despite bashing the shit out of it. But I'll still say, Honda isn't the end all company. Not even close.

You know, now that I think about it, you're right about something in this, Toyota is better. I'll leave my post un edited just to show my mistake, but Toyota is more reliable in the long run, from myself and other peoples experiences. Nissan isn't bad either, I have had extremely good luck with my little truck, despite bashing the shit out of it. But I'll still say, Honda isn't the end all company. Not even close.

Good, good..... all will fall like dominos.... :evillol:

with $20K I would start to build my ultimate wet dream. Unfortunately I don't beleive that 20K would be enough.

One Word: SRT-4.

Dwindling sales??? Must be lean times in the US market for Honda then??? Because the European Accord (TSX), Jazz/Fit and CRV have been pushing up Hondas sales in Japan and Europe- While Civic sales are stable..........The Civic outsells the Corolla here in Europe, the Camry is lucky to muster up 500 a year in the UK, even less in the rest of Europe. The Yaris, RAV4 and Avensis are the only Toyotas with sales that look half-credible over here and the Avensis banks solely on it's NCAP crash-test rating. Toyota don't even have a credible diesel in thier passenger car range- the D4D engines are piss-weak in comparision to the new 2.2 diesel by Honda.

How about the Corolla 5 door?? If that wasn't a blatant Civic clone then I don't know what is and they still can't get anywhere near the space that the Civic 5 door offers.

Ever driven a Civic Type R, or Japanese-market Integra Type R for that matter???? Driving them certainly convincies event he most skeptical, just how good they are.

Honda and Toyota compare in this way- They are both Japanese, they are both financially stable, they have a rival for every car that either makes e.g.

Jazz/Fit=Yaris/Echo
Civic=Corolla
Accord (Euro)=Avensis and Altezza/IS200
Accord (US)=Camry and Avalon
NSX=Supra (though, not made any more)
RAV4=CRV
Highlander=Pilot
Legend=Windom/ES300
Integra=Celica

etc.

AT the end of the day Honda and Toyota have a car to match the other.

The difference is Honda's admittedly have a use-by date of 150,000 km's- after which they need attention- while Toyotas go on forever.

Whatever way you look at it, Hondas recent cars have begun to show imagination, namely the Jazz and Accord/TSX, while Toyotas remain automotive dishwashers- with the only real stars being the sports cars that Toyota offers.

Just another observation- If you took away Toyotas truck sales, to the US, would they still outsell Honda? The mind boggles.

Yah i guess i kinda hated civics after all these ricers came out because of the fast and the furious. But u gotta love a mustang killing civic

give a crx 500 horsepower and watches those V8s cry like babies.

one thing i hate more than ricers, the "good ol' boy" with the "unbeatable" mustang/camaro

and pickups dropped to the ground. Wats up with that?

get a pulsar GTiR for about 9-10k and pump it with mods.

:confused: I think the fastest for that much would be the Dodge SRT-4 (i think they are around $21,000) :confused:

save alittle more and get a rx8, msrp: $26k

get what you want. after all your going to be keeping it for a long time. might as well get something you like

Get a Nissan Skyline R32 GTR, drop in a catback (or run straight through headers is you're a redneck) Remove all carpet, seats, headliner, spare-tire and jacks, and replace with a lightweight reclining seat for the driver. Remove air conditioner, replace glass with plexiglass, remove ICE and relocate battery.

After that, dump the rest of the money, like 4,000 for crucial parts to make car faster.

I can get a Skyline R32 for south of $20,000 because I live in Canada

96 ford thunderbird with no dents, no motor, and has a moonroof. Drop a supercharged 5.0 in it with a mustang cobra transmission conversion, tinted windows, 7" indash DVD/MP3 player, visor screens 2 JL W7's, ear plugs, all black super soft leather, fiberglassed interior trim, jet black paint job, 19 inch hyper black deep dishes with chrome lips (TSW Thruxtens to be exact, you can see them at TSW.com), and a borla cat back exhaust, HID lights, Xenon Body Kit (maybe). I would have to do some of the work myself, but I would do it. I love thunderbirds.

id take the 20g's findmyself a 1949 mecury, chop n channel, add some goodes inside, find a ford flathead and dump some $$ into that, a custom paint job and who know what else

I would go with a used car... like a lexus is300, or mayube a used infiniti... high preformance. Or if your looking for new, you might be able to find a srt4

For me, I'll put that 20K in a used WRX...sorry, snowing state here.

I'd take an NSX, strip the whole car down and remove everything that adds weight, then drop $20k into the car on just engine mods.

What would u do with 20,000 to make the fastest car it could buy.


Mazda Rx-7 OR Rx-8 Personally mazda should have them in everyone of the models, and should sell them to ford.

Mazda Rx-7 OR Rx-8 Personally mazda should have them in everyone of the models, and should sell them to ford.

Why would Mazda sell Ford their cars when Ford owns Mazda?

Anyway, there are several things I could go with 20 grand. One I'd like to do is get a nice 5.0 and hop it up nine ways to Sunday.

300ZX TT. Stillen chip, stillen intake, stillen catback. If I was lucky that would put me at around 400 crank hp. Mid-to high 12s. Its not the fastest but it would make a nice street car. I see it in my future anyways.

Well first off the thread is a year old, but since a mod put in his 2 cents ill put mine:

I would never do this, but the fastest would have to be the 5.0 Mustang Foxbody...doesn't get much easier/cheaper than that.

I would go find an eclipse gsx for about 5-6Gs
Rebuild the motor internals
Regular mods(exhaust, intake, etc)
Put a 20g on it
Strip it bare
And to top it off CF everything

CF would cost about 60% of the 20Gs

it may not be the fastest but, i would mod out my '92 civic hatch. starting with a b16, all the performance parts needed, and a turbo. then i would work on suspension, body, and interior. whatever was left over :2cents:, i would use for gas, to go out racing.:evillol:

id get a fox mustang, stage 3 race turbo, intercooler, new crank, cams, rods, pistons, rockers, valve springs, tremec 6speed, eagle f1s, and slicks.
thatd push 800 plus hp

Hey man try to keep it to only 10 day old posts. These things are all old.

I'd probably blow it all importing and legalizing a GC8 Impreza WRX Type R from Japan.

240Z, SR20DET Swap, suuporting mods and up the boost.

DSM drift car.

I'd get a '98 Toyota Supra TT and modify the shit out of it.