I am looking at buying a new car, those are my two choices. If anyone has ever compared the two, test drove the two, or just has really good reason to choose one over the other, please let me know why. Or just feel free to throw in your .02. Thanks

go for the SRT-4. the amount of money you save will be better in the long rung. you can apply that towards the SRT-4 and make it faster than the ralliart, plus, the SRT-4 is rated as a small compact I think, so insurance might be cheaper for it. dont quote me on that though, because I dont know for sure. plus, with the SRT-4, remove the baging, and people will think you just have a neon, and then you can laugh your ass off as you rip them a new one and leave them in the dust.

Yea I was wondering the same thing. I know the SRT-4 is faster, but it is cheaply made. I tested one and when i floored it the interior was all shaking and shizle. Ive decided to go with the lancer, quality seems more important. Aftermarket parts can make it just as fast as the
SRT-4 for just a little bit more. $$$

Yea I was wondering the same thing. I know the SRT-4 is faster, but it is cheaply made. I tested one and when i floored it the interior was all shaking and shizle. Ive decided to go with the lancer, quality seems more important. Aftermarket parts can make it just as fast as the
SRT-4 for just a little bit more. $$$



Really it can be made just as fast for a little bit more. Could you perhaps tell us how you plan to get from 162HP to the crank to 230HP to the wheels(~260 crank)

This 100HP cheap and reliable upgrade should be interesting.

Well i talked to some of the guys over at the mitsu dealer and as soon as i sell my protege they would make a deal for 17,500 vs the 21,000 for the SRT-4. Hmmmm.... that leaves you with $3500 to mod with. Ok fine... good point... I guess ill go kill myself now

Well i talked to some of the guys over at the mitsu dealer and as soon as i sell my protege they would make a deal for 17,500 vs the 21,000 for the SRT-4. Hmmmm.... that leaves you with $3500 to mod with. Ok fine... good point... I guess ill go kill myself now

That won't be near enough to get you to in the 13s with the Lancer. Also, the SRT-4 is not cheaply built. :rolleyes:

No question, get the SRT-4!

Yes sir. Hear that, listen to him. He is telling you what is right. Ok you can stop beating me now.... please

I'm not sure about the Lancer's engine because I drive a Nissan, but the engine under the SRT-4 is pushed to the max, anymore horses can blow it. With that in mind and for those who knows mroe about the Lancer engine, you may know if the Lancer engine can be pushed more than 240 or not. If you got the money, I think the Lancer can beat the SRT-4

who cares the srt-4 is very much faster than a lancer ralliart so add this and that and 5grand to run speeds of the srt-4, its already faster. and the srt-4 is only 2 grand more expensive than the lancer

and what the hell are you talking about "anymore horses can blow it" its been pushed way above its hp already. what in the hell are you babling about

I'm not sure about the Lancer's engine because I drive a Nissan, but the engine under the SRT-4 is pushed to the max, anymore horses can blow it. With that in mind and for those who knows mroe about the Lancer engine, you may know if the Lancer engine can be pushed more than 240 or not. If you got the money, I think the Lancer can beat the SRT-4


Uninformed post of the day award.



The Srt4 engine has already been pushed upwards of 500Hp on stock internals. Herck there is even a company running and SRT4 upwards of 600HP also on stock internals at the boneville Salt Flats....and this is not for a misealy few seconds on a 1/4 mile, it for over two constant minutes under full load.

This is not to mention the factory staged upgrades.

Alright sorry about the misinfo, I apologize for it. I just heard it from some dealers.

i can apreciate a person who can admit there wrongs, respect points from me man :thumbsup: . but for some goood advice, check up on your facts before you post them, it looks a lot better :smile:

yeah don't take it personal, but we had quite a few post of people bashing on the srt4 and it was a bit frustrating.

THese cars are both front drivers right? ........ah then never mind.

Hey guys, I wasn't bashing on the SRT-4, I was just stating what I thought was true, but I was wrong so I apologize. But yeah I'll keep in mind to check up on the facts next time before I post.

having driven only the lancer ralliart, i'd buy the srt-4.. most bang for the buck... however the biggest pain in the arse with the srt-4 is that the turbo is built into the manifold.... if you ever want to replace/upgrade turbos you'll be buying a new exhaust manifold too.


the lancer ralliart is very nimble and the handeling is great, the srt-4 just has soo much more potential horsepower-wise.

mopar also sells factory upgrades for the srt-4's.


good luck.

SRT-4 all the way buuuuuuu-dyy.

You gota love paulie shore.

To add to the consensus, this is pretty much no contest, the SRT4 is pretty much better in every category than the Lancer.

I'm guessing the Lancer is not an Evo then..........In which case the SRT4, Lancers that don't read Evo are a fucking seriously unfunny joke.


If it is an Evo, then the Lancer.

isn't the evo faster than the ralliart version?

having driven only the lancer ralliart, i'd buy the srt-4.. most bang for the buck... however the biggest pain in the arse with the srt-4 is that the turbo is built into the manifold.... if you ever want to replace/upgrade turbos you'll be buying a new exhaust manifold too.


the lancer ralliart is very nimble and the handeling is great, the srt-4 just has soo much more potential horsepower-wise.

mopar also sells factory upgrades for the srt-4's.


good luck.

Well, the thrid stage kit from Mopar includes a new turbo and manifold, so its not so bad, but I see what you mean.

isn't the evo faster than the ralliart version?

By a long shot. The Ralliart is just a regular Lancer made to look more like an Evo.

then shouldn't this be comparing the top of the line evo with the top of the line neon? it should be evo vs srt4

Since the comparison isn't EVO the the SRT hands down. Both are ugly little econo boxes and FWD but if it came down to either or I'd take the SRT. If I got to chose any little econo box though WRX!

if u're looking for brute force, then srt-4 is the car for u. it'll kick ralliart, mazdaspeed, sir, ser spec v, focus svt's ass (basically all the cars in its class). however, aside from power you should consider suspension and chassis for corning.

ralliart doesn't have greatest suspension setup, in fact it needs tighter suspension and bigger wheel. but overall it's good enough to drive around town and take down most of its competitors; hey, maybe even a srt-4 during a corner. my vote is for the ralliart (i drive one :iceslolan )

nissan ser spec v is another car u can consider. good power and a better suspension setup than a ralliart.

The SRT-4 doesn't have stock Neon suspension... it has been substainially improve, and from what I hear handles coroners pretty damn well.

I think you should get the ralliart. I've seen this guy who put in a turbo into the ralliart and that car now has 248hp to the wheels. People have asked him many question about what upgrades he has done to the engine other than the turbo and he's done nothing. It's all stock just a turbo added on. He says he has run many test and the car is running with no problems the only thing he has upgraded is the clutch and wheels. If you ask me i just think that the ralliart is more of a solid car that is not going to lose its value for what u pay for it as the years go by. On the other hand srt-4 is also good and fast and has a lot of power, but is the value going to last. The neon will be a neon. Ralliart has a lot better looking interior too. A lot of the evo is in the ralliart and a lot of the neon is in the srt-4. So if you want a quick car right a way go with the srt-4 but if you want a car that you mod and enjoy for a long time get the ralliart. The ralliart will leave a better impresion when u drive by. The srt-4 just like someone said earlier is a neon if you take the srt-4 off of it. And there's nothing impresive about a neon.

P.S. i don't want any rude comment from the neon lovers, i'm just voicing my opinion.

I think you should get the ralliart. I've seen this guy who put in a turbo into the ralliart and that car now has 248hp to the wheels. People have asked him many question about what upgrades he has done to the engine other than the turbo and he's done nothing. It's all stock just a turbo added on. He says he has run many test and the car is running with no problems the only thing he has upgraded is the clutch and wheels. If you ask me i just think that the ralliart is more of a solid car that is not going to lose its value for what u pay for it as the years go by. On the other hand srt-4 is also good and fast and has a lot of power, but is the value going to last. The neon will be a neon. Ralliart has a lot better looking interior too. A lot of the evo is in the ralliart and a lot of the neon is in the srt-4. So if you want a quick car right a way go with the srt-4 but if you want a car that you mod and enjoy for a long time get the ralliart. The ralliart will leave a better impresion when u drive by. The srt-4 just like someone said earlier is a neon if you take the srt-4 off of it. And there's nothing impresive about a neon.

P.S. i don't want any rude comment from the neon lovers, i'm just voicing my opinion.


I just love heavily biased wannabe analogies. So the lancer has a lot of EVO in it but the SR4 has a lot of neon in it.

So the Lancer is an Evo and the SRT4 is a neon.

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Why doesn't the EVO have a lot of lancer in it and the neon a lot of SRT4? Since we give biased values to our analogies.

This way the Evo is a lancer and the neon is an SRT4


So is that clear enough how flawed your argument is?

So next time do try to learn how to use an analogy in a proper manner.


And do try do bring some actual facts into the conversation. Yes hard cold provable facts. Not just biased opinions.

The Lancer doesn't retain its value as well as most people expect a Japanese car to retain. Both used Neons and Lancers cost about the same. About $9000 to $8000 for used 2003 models, $7000 for 2002, etc.

One of the best things about the SRT-4 is that the turbo is already there, and there are factory kits for the car. Once you turbocharge the Ralliart, the powertrain and drivetrain warranty is out the window. Also, Mitsubishis aren't known to be ultra-reliable... so you might actually want to keep that warranty.

That is true (Mitsubishi Owners down't flame me) This kid I know who had a 500HP AWD 1st Gen DSM sold it and admits he will NEVER by a Mitsu again... ganted he loved that car, and it was FAST, but he went through a couple of head gaskets and some other things.

What most people don't understand is that engines can have many times more power and perform many times better than the best that's released. Perfect example is if you simply look at cars that race. You have cars with engines of less than 3.0L of displacement giving out more than 1000hp. They also get better gas mileage than some of the road cars with a quarter of the horsepower. It's very possible to crank out tons of power out of anything.

But the fact is, there are many strict government regulations regarding road-legal cars, and a lot of these insane number you'll hear about this car having 700hp, or that car having 600hp with a 1.8L engine, that will NEVER see it's way into a street-legal car until technologies allow for these numbers that will conform to government regulations.

All of these cars you hear with these high numbers cannot run with environmental control devices, such as catalytic convertors. Most of them would probably have like 2-4 fuel injectors per cylinder, probably have really short stroke and large bore and dry-sum lubrication, and all this fancy crap to allow them to run at rpms over 15,000 and more.

1000hp 3.0 liter with better mileage than a street version of the same engine?
what?

do you know what kind of mileage race engines get? not better than a street engine.

then shouldn't this be comparing the top of the line evo with the top of the line neon? it should be evo vs srt4

did you start the comparo?
no.
the person starting the thread asked about these two cars, right?
right.

so that's why we're talking about these two.

another thing to consider is how the engine is used:
for example, there was a road and track that gave mileage for some fun vehicles, such as a porsche gt2, used on a race track.
how quick the tank went, mileage, etc...

the gt2 got 6mpg, and killed its tank in an hour...

so, when driven all out, the same engine got far less mileage...

but that's besides the point...

end of side note... ;)

Eh, you're probably right, I just know that they are limited by how many times they are allowed to refuel, and given the amount of power these engines are cranking out, it seems they are tons more efficient even in fuel consumption compared to an engine that normal people might build that might have close to the same amount of horsepower.

I've seen 1.8 liter Hondas produce 800-1,000hp at drag events but the life of the engine isn't very long either.

Usually the engine and transmission needs to be replaced or rebuilt every night after the race.

Usually the engine and transmission needs to be replaced or rebuilt every night after the race.


Exactly my point, but the same can be said of a 2,000-3,000hp big block racing Ford or Chevy. They have little life expectancy.

Um, ok, I don't think I've ever said otherwise though, so uh, ok...

Um, ok, I don't think I've ever said otherwise though, so uh, ok...


Didn't say you did, hope I didn't give that impression just making a point on this thread that's all brother.

I think you should get the ralliart. I've seen this guy who put in a turbo into the ralliart and that car now has 248hp to the wheels. People have asked him many question about what upgrades he has done to the engine other than the turbo and he's done nothing. It's all stock just a turbo added on. He says he has run many test and the car is running with no problems the only thing he has upgraded is the clutch and wheels. If you ask me i just think that the ralliart is more of a solid car that is not going to lose its value for what u pay for it as the years go by. On the other hand srt-4 is also good and fast and has a lot of power, but is the value going to last. The neon will be a neon. Ralliart has a lot better looking interior too. A lot of the evo is in the ralliart and a lot of the neon is in the srt-4. So if you want a quick car right a way go with the srt-4 but if you want a car that you mod and enjoy for a long time get the ralliart. The ralliart will leave a better impresion when u drive by. The srt-4 just like someone said earlier is a neon if you take the srt-4 off of it. And there's nothing impresive about a neon.

P.S. i don't want any rude comment from the neon lovers, i'm just voicing my opinion.

I don't really care if you're voicing your opinion because I'm calling bullshit. There is no way in hell that the stock engine in the Lancer is going to handle 250HP. I don't buy that load of bullshit for one second. Also, I hate to break it to you, but if you want to say the SRT-4 is just a Neon then by the same logic I can say that the Evo is just a Lancer, and the STi is just an Impreza, and the GT R-34 is just a Skyline. All of these cars are derived from humble economy cars, but they also have very little in common with them. Don't be another ignorant fool. Also, if you want to talk about resale value, I doubt the Lancer will hold its value any better than the SRT-4. With Chrysler selling all of its voting stock in Mitsubishi it has left the company very shaken. Unless someone big buys up those shares the company won't be able to carry on much longer. The Evo already has crappy resale since they aren't selling well at all. With all of this how good do you think the resale will be when Mitsubishi no longer exsists?

Speaking of not being able to carry on much longer, I remember a very interesting article in Time magazine talking about all the times Chrysler has almost gone bankrupt and just barely pulled out of it. But oh well, now Daimler has them, and they should be doing pretty well from here on out. :)

I don't really care if you're voicing your opinion because I'm calling bullshit. There is no way in hell that the stock engine in the Lancer is going to handle 250HP. I don't buy that load of bullshit for one second. Also, I hate to break it to you, but if you want to say the SRT-4 is just a Neon then by the same logic I can say that the Evo is just a Lancer, and the STi is just an Impreza, and the GT R-34 is just a Skyline. All of these cars are derived from humble economy cars, but they also have very little in common with them. Don't be another ignorant fool. Also, if you want to talk about resale value, I doubt the Lancer will hold its value any better than the SRT-4. With Chrysler selling all of its voting stock in Mitsubishi it has left the company very shaken. Unless someone big buys up those shares the company won't be able to carry on much longer. The Evo already has crappy resale since they aren't selling well at all. With all of this how good do you think the resale will be when Mitsubishi no longer exsists?


YOu saying that it's BS just cause you don't like the truth. Well then why don't you go to these links and find out for yourself.
This is a link where you can find info on the turbo ralliart read the msg posts for the TURBO TECH P.R. he's the owner, the turbo is done custom by him. He's also hoping to sell it in the future. In this forum 2nd page is where he tells about the turbo, if you go to the 3rd page the guy tells about the results of a dyno, and on that same page about half way down he says that the engine is completely stock.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=54125&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

You can go here to see the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart too.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/561882

this is the link to the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart. His car is the one with the stickers.
And if you still have hard time believing him then email him his email is in the forum.

YOu saying that it's BS just cause you don't like the truth. Well then why don't you go to these links and find out for yourself.
This is a link where you can find info on the turbo ralliart read the msg posts for the TURBO TECH P.R. he's the owner, the turbo is done custom by him. He's also hoping to sell it in the future. In this forum 2nd page is where he tells about the turbo, if you go to the 3rd page the guy tells about the results of a dyno, and on that same page about half way down he says that the engine is completely stock.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=54125&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

You can go here to see the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart too.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/561882

this is the link to the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart. His car is the one with the stickers.
And if you still have hard time believing him then email him his email is in the forum.


and is he offering a 7 year complette warranty too?

YOu saying that it's BS just cause you don't like the truth. Well then why don't you go to these links and find out for yourself.
This is a link where you can find info on the turbo ralliart read the msg posts for the TURBO TECH P.R. he's the owner, the turbo is done custom by him. He's also hoping to sell it in the future. In this forum 2nd page is where he tells about the turbo, if you go to the 3rd page the guy tells about the results of a dyno, and on that same page about half way down he says that the engine is completely stock.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=54125&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

You can go here to see the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart too.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/561882

this is the link to the pics of TURBO TECH P.R. ralliart. His car is the one with the stickers.
And if you still have hard time believing him then email him his email is in the forum.

I'm not saying that he can't make that kind of power on the stock block, I'm saying that the stock internals won't handle that. Are you going to believe some guy simply because he says so? I don't.