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I despise of Hondas. I wish those stupid kids would just leave them as the econo cars they are. The wings and coffee cans just can't change it. :thefinger

hondas suck it takes no skill to build one

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!

very nice i was just getting ppl fired up i have a 4 cyl love the dohc

Sorry guys, I just thought that REAL men liked to go fast, and have a nice sounding exhaust. But clearly I was wrong, they enjoy going slow, or every now and then shooting some cheat juice into their cylinders. Don't get me wrong, I love ricers, everthing about them. From their horrible exhaust(never put exhaust on a 4 banger) to their seat covers, and their "R" stickers(we all know those add BIG power). Whats really great about them, is that they aren't redneck, they just seem really ghetto. And in the end, it'll really take some skill to paint your ac vents just the right shade of yellow. Then when its all done, you can go show everyone how smart you are that you hooked up BOTH wires to your 15" subwoofer. Show everyone your 20" of bling while fracturing your tailbone, and put some tire polish on your rubber band tires. Does it go fast naturally aspirated? HECK NO, but who cares, cause the ladys think its ghetto and the neighbors think your poor, but thats ok too, because as the other guy stated, you have really BIG nuts! Yea, sure the guy across the street with the '69 Mustang Boss 429 gets all the girls, respect, and friends, but thats ok, because you can still hear the wonderful noise of your exhaust farting all around town. Lifes good when your a ricer. I hate everything that created hot rods and motorsports, I just love cheap cars! :bigthumb:

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!

Last time I checked, a pizza faced high-scool nerd could install a DC Sports header, fart can, and cold air intake with a wrench, among other things..

Last time I checked, a pizza faced high-scool nerd could install a DC Sports header, fart can, and cold air intake with a wrench, among other things..
Are you asian?








On topic: Who gives a shit? Every car has their ups and downs. Every car has their way to be made fast. No need for shit talking since theres always going to be someone faster than you. If you got the money you got the speed. Everyone here is into cars and shouldnt be talking shit to each other since were all the same.

:)

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!
Youre speaking french, who should listen to you?

I agree with DKShadow. Were all into the same stuff and should just agree to disagree.

More on topic though, I just purchased a vehicle with a PUSHROD V6...very nice. Much better than that 1.8L I4 Honda Civic I took for a test drive...

Jeremy

wow, you're bragging about buying a car with a PUSHROD v6? i'm sorry. arguing for displacement and pushrods is like arguing that stone and chisel is better than pen and paper. wtf?

while i'm on the topic of ancient technology, how about the new mustangs? solid rear axles? wow, sounds great. for the 1950's. when is detroit gonna figure things out?

Just for your info error4o4, DOHC and SOHC engines have been around a lot longer than OHV engines...Before you start talking about "ancient technology" I would brush up on my history if I were you.

Jeremy

its not that OHC is newer, the fact that pushrods have evolved very little is. OHC engines are much more efficient because the technology has continued to dev. unlike the pushrod.

You know what else is really funny? The fact that you guys with that "awesome" DOHC Civic are still back at that light, running your engine in the 6K RPM range, trying to pull your car off the line, while I'm way ahead of you and all I had to do was rely on that low end torque my pushrod has!

Jeremy

i didn't say the DOHC civic was "awesome". i don't even see that in the forum, unless i'm missing it, thats a horrible misquote.

i was comparing efficiency, not low-end torque. but if you want to compare uses thats fine. the new mustangs.. sold rear axle. even the stock, base model civic with the macpherson strut set up (old technology) is much better. how about the double wishbone suspension in the s2k? it would be really funny when your bad ass american muscle corners like a dump truck. straight lines are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.

I like how we go from comparing my pushrod to a DOHC engine and you bring up some Ford...

I don't own a muscle car nor will do I own a Ford. But I'll bet you $$ that my American car can corner just as good as any comparable Honda or Toyota.

Jeremy

Last time I checked, a pizza faced high-scool nerd could install a DC Sports header, fart can, and cold air intake with a wrench, among other things..

yup, and any pizza faced high school nerd can get a big block to run 10's

it take a lot more will, determination, skill, and ingenuity to get a 2 liter 4 banger to 10's

but what all the current honda hating seems like to me (this is like, one of 25 "i hate honda" threads in this forum) is a bunch of people who got stomped by some ricer at the local strip, and are still bitter about it. I've run as hard as i could, and still watched civics pull away from me. (i drive a 3rd gen prelude si) and so what if they were running turbos, thats all part of the game boys.

saying turbos and nitrous are "cheating" in the world of racing, is like saying the forward pass is cheating in football.

anyone can build small and big block, most guy build chevy cause they are cheap and easy to make it go fast. Don't take much brain to build chevy. Chevy guys are sort of slow in thinking and talk a lot about nothing, they all talk about how they can beat Dodge and Ford and they never talk about how they got beaten.

wow, you're bragging about buying a car with a PUSHROD v6? i'm sorry. arguing for displacement and pushrods is like arguing that stone and chisel is better than pen and paper. wtf?

while i'm on the topic of ancient technology, how about the new mustangs? solid rear axles? wow, sounds great. for the 1950's. when is detroit gonna figure things out?
Oh fucking great god.

The new mustang is going to have a solid axle. Great. Who gives a shit? The 99-04 Cobra have an IRS suspension but you dont even bother mentioning that. The 05 Mustang is going to have variable cam timing with a 3v SOHC engine. Yeah Ford doesnt know their shit!

Now with pushrods. Have you looked at the LS1/LS6 engine that GM has been making in the past couple of years? Theyre one of the best engines made! Theyre easy to modify and show great gains while maintaining an average of 20+mpg.

Yeah now come to think of it, Detroit is pretty slow with technology! :rolleyes:

Okay, before I say this, I want to say I repsect all people who take pride in properly building cars. From a Honda (not a wing toting car with a different colored bumper from the rest of it) to the Hot-Rods, to the Trucks. Cars are a Hobby, and no matter what you build, it's really all about the love of automobiles. It's about taking something and making it your once, be it through customization or restoration.

That being said, I get sick of people thinking I am stupid just because I drive a Honda. I don't have a wing, and I never will. I don't pretend or even think I could be a Corvette, etc. I'm not stupid. I bought my car to go from point a to b, it kind of evolded into somthing more as things needed replacing, I wanted to learn about something, wanted to learn how to do it, etc. So I have done a lot of work on it at home in my garge, does that make me a "stupid kid" like was suggested? No, the stupid kid is the one who goes and pays someone to install what he could do himself if he just took the time and got some guts to tear into things. The stupid kid is the one who pays the body shop to install a body kit or fenders after they're painted, only to find they didn't take the time to fit it right, so the gaps are all wrong. The stupid kid is the one who pays someone to install an intake or lights when it's not more than a couple o bolt and nuts and maybe a little creativity. It just takes a little creativity and pateince to learn, but a lot of people are too impatient or unwilling to try. They'd rather pay someone, and who cars if it gets done wrong. They don't, because it's all cool anyway just because they have it. Well, I do care, and thats why and try and learn to do things myself.

I didn't wrap my seat with stupid seat covers like most "honda guys" you refer to. I wanted to actaully professionally reuphoster my seats, so they would look nice. So I did research, learned how it was done, and then called around to the local auto upholstery shops and asked about appernticships. I found a shop willing to train me, since I already knew some of the process. I then researched the various wholesalers in the area and bought the novasuede I'd need to do the job. I am currently being trained, and it's starting to look pretty good.

I get sick of people just seeing me drive a Honda and pigeon holing me. I am not a frickin ricers. Ricers is an attuitude, one which I don't have. I have no patence for cheap, shoddy, or cheesy work.

Maybe you ask then, "why did he buy a Honda?" I bought it 3-4 years ago as a car to go from point a-b...bought it used outright for a nice price. I'm a college student, I can't afford much, and being under 25 and male, I had to watch what I bought so I could afford insurence. Am I dumb just because I decided to change it up? Of course not, I fully understand why you think ALL hondas suck. A good majority of the kids driving Hondas don't care, and have that "hondas rule and kill all" fast and the furious attitude. It's quiet annoying too I might add.

However, don't go put us all in that catagory. Those people only do it because it's "cool." The people that do it for the love of cars, the real enthusiasts, don't desreave to be treated like crap by people, body shops, etc, just because we drive a Honda. I have to many times had a shop paint my car the wrong color after some jerk opened his door into it. "It's only a Honda" I'd hear. Well I don't give a rip what it is. It's my car, I like my custom color, and I want it painted right. I happen to know what I am looking at and doing, but again, they automatically assume I am a dumbass because I drive a Honda.

I won't get rid of my car just because people have a prejudice opinion of me due to what I drive. I just want you all to know, feel free to hate the idiots who ruin the cars by doing cheap, shoddy work. These people exist in all types of car circles, rods, muscle cars, imports etc. Don't hate on them because of WHAT they drive. Dislike that because of their attitude, because of HOW they do things. People like this do things cheap and cheesy, and desreave to be laughed at. Just realize not everyone is like that, even if a majority of the people who drive a certain car type are.

Thats a pretty long post :p

Thats a pretty long post :p

Yea, well, it gets under my skin when people think I'm dumb just because of the name on the badge of the car I drive. Besides, read any of my other posts, lol. They are usually as long as books. :biggrin:

I despise of Hondas. I wish those stupid kids would just leave them as the econo cars they are. The wings and coffee cans just can't change it. :thefinger
i agree with you so what kind of car do you drive it better not be a acura because there just as sorry as hondas. :smokin:

Ummmm

All i'm gonna say is.................

Civics = economy and saving pennies when in Britain.

V8s etc = Torquey and Speed. But good god do they cost a lot to keep runnig.

All good cars, each has their own little perks and misgivings, there is no need for the whole slanging match.

Straight line the muscle car all the way, normal twisty road civic takes it every time.

oh and eckoman, I am glad that someone that drives the car has just written what i was about to explain. I agree whole heartedly with you, its that attitude of the driver not the actual car that make us think this. Please don't dump a name on someones head just because they drive a certain car.

Oh, but c'mon, Slick. It's a lot easier to paint with broad prejudiced brush than it is to evaluate different cars based on their merits. Give ol' Rod&Custom a break. ;)

Oh, but c'mon, Slick. It's a lot easier to paint with broad prejudiced brush than it is to evaluate different cars based on their merits. Give ol' Rod&Custom a break. ;)


may well be a lot easier but is also a lot more arrogant.

nothing wrong with either engine IMHO but then there will always be the die hard rod and custom fans. Its one of those never ending circles of debate.

I like how we go from comparing my pushrod to a DOHC engine and you bring up some Ford...

I don't own a muscle car nor will do I own a Ford. But I'll bet you $$ that my American car can corner just as good as any comparable Honda or Toyota.

Jeremy


Just outta interest what motor do you have??
:uhoh: :uhoh:

I have a 2002 Oldsmobile Alero GL1 with a 3.4 V6 engine. It is, of course, a pushrod. It's awesome. I can pretty much do any maintenance on it because of the simple design and everything in the engine bay is extremely easy to get to. She also has great get up and go :evillol: For anyone who thinks pushies are "inefficient" I have to disagree. I get V6 power and get 25 MPG in the city and 34 MPG on the highway. For a V6, that's pretty good.

Jeremy

You have an Alero? Do you wear a black armband?

What's that supposed to mean?

Ummmm

All i'm gonna say is.................

Civics = economy and saving pennies when in Britain.

V8s etc = Torquey and Speed. But good god do they cost a lot to keep runnig.

All good cars, each has their own little perks and misgivings, there is no need for the whole slanging match.

Straight line the muscle car all the way, normal twisty road civic takes it every time.

oh and eckoman, I am glad that someone that drives the car has just written what i was about to explain. I agree whole heartedly with you, its that attitude of the driver not the actual car that make us think this. Please don't dump a name on someones head just because they drive a certain car.

I am glad you understand what I am saying, and am glad to see you agree. I hope that other people will see and understand this point as well. As you said, it is wrong for people to dump a name on you just becuase you drive a certain car. It's prefectly okay to dislike an attitude, but it's wrong to pigeon hole everyone just becuase their car happens to be the same make. A lot of people with those annoying attitudes don't mess around with cars because they are a car enthusiast, they do it because they "think it's cool." That's the wrong reason to do anything. You should do it becasue it's what you love, not because you want to be cool or fit in. When dsomeone starts to get like that, an attitude is not too far behind more often than not, regardless of what kind of car it is they drive.

What's that supposed to mean?

Olds is dead. Just wondering if you're in mourning.

The Alero is an interesting case. At the time, it was the best that GM could do, and in a vacuum, it's a pretty good car. OK styling, decently designed interior, etc. But compare it to any conteporary car from a Japanese manufacturer, and it's easy to see why Olds is now shuttered. As an import fighter (Olds' designated role at GM before its demise), it just didn't stack up. It's unfortunate, really. I hate seeing a historic marque like Olds disappear because of GM's inteptitude at screwing cars together. Luckily, it looks like things are actually changing at the company now that Lutz is aboard. Hope it sticks.

I'm a little sad that Oldsmobile is gone. I have a really good feeling that if GM keeps doing well, we'll see the nameplate later down the road (not for at least 10-15 years). For a very low 20's car, the Alero is great. I test drove many many used vehicles before I bought mine, and I seriously think that out of all of them, the Alero had the most soul. I drove a Honda Civic, Accord, Toyota Camry, VW Jetta (which I love but I could only afford a GL which came pretty bare), Pontiac Grand Am, ect. I had to go with four door vehicles because my insurance would have skyrocketed since I'm 17. Of course I think that if I were to test drive the V6 Accord (which I couldnt afford) I would have wanted that. But for my price range 12K-13.5K, I think I made the best choice. There was no way that I was going to find even a 4cly Accord with 25K miles on it, which my Alero had when I got it, and it was only a year old. I ended up paying only 10K.
Jeremy

my take on things:

i think that we should look at the price of hondas vs gm. i've got a civic because i could buy a 2000 si for $5,900 and modify it, and still have spent under $15k. not because i love civics, but because i'm 16 and just don't have enough cash to pay for gas, insurance, and mods of a muscle car. but just as a note, my dream car is a corvette

Personally, I don't spend much more on gas than if I had an average 4cly engine and I drive 15 miles to school and back all city.

Jeremy

you all are retarded you dont know anything about either side and are making amazing generalizations that astonish me you can make any car fast honestly any car some just take a really long time to and some come that way or maybe some people like to turn or somethign i dunno but fuck you guys

sorry not all of you are retarded just the ones that are making broad sweeping generalizations the posts toward the end are starting to make sense

my take on things:

i think that we should look at the price of hondas vs gm. i've got a civic because i could buy a 2000 si for $5,900 and modify it, and still have spent under $15k. not because i love civics, but because i'm 16 and just don't have enough cash to pay for gas, insurance, and mods of a muscle car. but just as a note, my dream car is a corvette
Mods arent expensive. Fox body stangs sell for under $5k and you can have it running 12s with $2k put into it. Gas on the other hand is relative to how much pedal you give it.

You like what you like. Youre still going to spend money on making it fast.

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!


taking back what i said earlier... i agree with everyone... its the attitude of the driver not the car... v8s are nice when used properly and not for compensation. I hate guys who think they're all that cuz they got 8.1L suburban and think they own the road so they can cut me off.. man that pisses me off.

taking back what i said earlier... i agree with everyone... its the attitude of the driver not the car... v8s are nice when used properly and not for compensation. I hate guys who think they're all that cuz they got 8.1L suburban and think they own the road so they can cut me off.. man that pisses me off.

Ahh yes...the old SUV barrelling down on the compact or sedan to push them out of the way...all because they think they are bigger and they can. We get a lot of people and their SUV's doing that around here.

again, we're back to sweeping generalizations.

ill remind the domestic fans, that for every civic ex with a 4 foot wing and a rice can exhaust thinking they can pull on your pushrod, there is a 6 cylinder mustang or camaro thinking they can pull on my prelude.

the "honda racer" image is not just for honda owners. ive seen several mustang, camaro, and even corvette (not to mention cavalier and neon *snicker*) owners that fit the bill just as well.

and import owners who scream "youll kick my ass in the quarter, but youll never catch me on the street" ill remind you that pontiac trans am/camaro ss have done better on countless road courses than supras, 240's and S2000's.

though i'll take my 35 MPG (in the city!) over a 10 second pushrod any day :D

Mods arent expensive. Fox body stangs sell for under $5k and you can have it running 12s with $2k put into it. Gas on the other hand is relative to how much pedal you give it.

I think you're exaggerating to make a point here, but I know what you're saying. By the same argument, I could go out and buy a 10-year-old Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo for about $3,000 and throw a similar amount of money at it for similar results. Which just proves that nobody is better and this whole debate is just a pointless pissing match.

You like what you like. Youre still going to spend money on making it fast.

Yup.

I think you're exaggerating to make a point here, but I know what you're saying. By the same argument, I could go out and buy a 10-year-old Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo for about $3,000 and throw a similar amount of money at it for similar results. Which just proves that nobody is better and this whole debate is just a pointless pissing match.



Yup. Actually Im not exaggerating. I could have had a way, way faster car than I have now but I wanted to get something new. 5.0 stangs are dirt cheap to build up.

Later on this year Im going to be buying a fox body stang (5spd Lx here sell for $2-3k in really good condition) and build it up since what Im planning to do to my car will void the shit out of my warranty and leave me with a car thats not designed for daily driving. I got some cash laying around. :)

alright, back in the post i saw someone making fun of a civic reving to 6k. have you ever seen the Spoon civic? it revs to 12k, 2 times more than your clear "estimate".

the thing is....

Muscle cars = hard steel, power. meaning that its all beef, little technology. just the pistons, and block, thats all they do.

import cars = technology. they have more than the engine powering them, like high tech ECUs, and turbos.

its all about what you want, your personality. do you want low-tech, plain power, or hi-tech, advanced power.

That's funny you talk about technology because if you knew anything about DOHC and OHV engines, you would know, like I stated earlier, the DOHC design is much older than that of the OHV. Also, it's pretty funny you bring up turbos. You need that crap to do what our naturally asperated engines do already.

Jeremy

i think its funny how all you muscle heads get so defencive. i mean i dident even say anything bad about muscle cars. there ALL great cars. its all prefrence.

Hondas are not bad daily drivers they save gas and they cost nothing to operate, but they are not made for racing, i've seen civics run 8's but they need NOS and engine and trannie swaps and their engines last around 12000 miles while a 1988 camaro with a crate engine dropped into it can run 9's. All i can say is that i beat my friend reese's 1999 civic ex DOHC v-tec with a jeep cherokee which proves my point that hondas are slow and not ment for racing

It's true hondas are decent daily drivers, but then so is any car. I have a 95 vtec prelude, and it still gets 25-30 mpg depending on how hard i push it. Now don't get me wrong, I have respect for the cars that deserve it, not the technicolor crap that cruises around keeping me awake at night. Maybe my car is slow but if so, why am i able to stay nose to nose with the camaros and trans ams? The last camaro I raced i was dead on until he sprayed his friggin nos, and of course he probably felt good beating a girl. I always thought bottles were for babies. Just because a civic ex is slow doesn't necessarily mean the s2k or the lude is a slow car. It all depends on the driver (unless you're in like a hyundai accent or somethin). Cars are cars, love what ya got, and respect other people till they disrespect you.

It's true hondas are decent daily drivers, but then so is any car. I have a 95 vtec prelude, and it still gets 25-30 mpg depending on how hard i push it. Now don't get me wrong, I have respect for the cars that deserve it, not the technicolor crap that cruises around keeping me awake at night. Maybe my car is slow but if so, why am i able to stay nose to nose with the camaros and trans ams? The last camaro I raced i was dead on until he sprayed his friggin nos, and of course he probably felt good beating a girl. I always thought bottles were for babies. Just because a civic ex is slow doesn't necessarily mean the s2k or the lude is a slow car. It all depends on the driver (unless you're in like a hyundai accent or somethin). Cars are cars, love what ya got, and respect other people till they disrespect you.

oo nice car, alot of people looking for it, my car isn't all that fast, and since its a friggin family sedan i don't expect it to be, instead of speed i concentrated on audio just to find people that had a bad day, and bump music to piss them off, so even if u burn me you'll need to be blocks n blocks away before you can't hear me hahaha

It's true hondas are decent daily drivers, but then so is any car. I have a 95 vtec prelude, and it still gets 25-30 mpg depending on how hard i push it. Now don't get me wrong, I have respect for the cars that deserve it, not the technicolor crap that cruises around keeping me awake at night. Maybe my car is slow but if so, why am i able to stay nose to nose with the camaros and trans ams? The last camaro I raced i was dead on until he sprayed his friggin nos, and of course he probably felt good beating a girl. I always thought bottles were for babies. Just because a civic ex is slow doesn't necessarily mean the s2k or the lude is a slow car. It all depends on the driver (unless you're in like a hyundai accent or somethin). Cars are cars, love what ya got, and respect other people till they disrespect you.
Mods please? What year F-bodies?

alright, back in the post i saw someone making fun of a civic reving to 6k. have you ever seen the Spoon civic? it revs to 12k, 2 times more than your clear "estimate".

the thing is....

Muscle cars = hard steel, power. meaning that its all beef, little technology. just the pistons, and block, thats all they do.

import cars = technology. they have more than the engine powering them, like high tech ECUs, and turbos.

its all about what you want, your personality. do you want low-tech, plain power, or hi-tech, advanced power.


Hi tech ECUs... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




Dude youd probably shit your pants trying to work on a Modular engine.

Firstly, I'd just like to thank all you people for showing some common sense and not using the "D" and "I" words, however you still are divided into two mindsets.

Firstly, to the person with the Oldsmobile- I'm very glad you are happy with your car, but I'm sorry there is little chance of an Alero being able to handle like a Civic or even a 5th Generation Accord, the car is too big and heavy to be able to match either one in the handling department, add to that, the Suspension of most US designed sedans being extremely soggy (This includes the USM Accords, Camry's etc.) While the Civics are rather light car, while being nimble and having a rather nicely set up suspension (Let down by the latest one, though). Unfortunately there is no arguing with Physics, the lighter car usually does handle better.

btw, 6 Cylinder Pushrod engines are a joke in my experience. I've rented countless Holden Commodores with the 3.8 Litre Buick V6 and even with the Commodore being Rear Wheel drive, the car still felt unresponsive and weak (and I really did drive it like a Rental car :naughty: ). A Supercharger helps, but OHC is ultimately superior when working with any less than 8 Cylinders.

I'm simply stating the obvious by saying V8's are easier and cheaper to get power from and a 500bhp V8 will last longer than a 500bhp 2.0 Inline 4 but anyway....

Pushrod V8's however are most certainly good engines if you want a flat torque curve and don't like downshifting everytime you leave a corner.... However I certainly don't like my car running out of puff below 5000rpm and if I wanted to make an LS1 rev higher, then the car would become impractical because it would be awful to live with when it's running at low revs...

Enter VTEC, The engine runs like normal down low, yet hit a certain amount of REV's (Varies from car to car) and the car really comes out to party, going all the way to 9000 RPM in some cases, before running out of puff. I really quite like downshifting to get more power as well, it's far more involving for the driver and keeps the driver on his/her (Because there are good woman drivers out there :p) toes.

Also building a Honda is a hell of a lot more for the thinker than building a V8, if you're serious about getting more power. The Honda builder has to find a way around the fact that his car has 1.6 - 2.2 litres, whereas a monkey could make a Pushrod V8 run impressive times at the strip (as much as I hate drag racing). So wouldn't building a Honda be more rewarding ultimately?

Welcome to the uk. Petrol is expensive the roads (straight ones anyway) are over-policed and full of cameras. The alternatives are B roads - No police/cameras but very narrow and full of the twisty stuff.

I have two cars; a Honda Accord type R which seems to be on the recieving end of all you boys with their 5 liter V8's knocking out a whole 200bhp - "but lots of torque" Which is about er, the same as my Honda. OK I don't have the torque output, but then it's not a two-tonne, live axled barge and doesn't need it......

My other car would confuse the life out of you boys - It's heavy, it's got a biggish V8 (4 litres -whats that in Cubic Inches?) A supercharger, 4 valve heads and knocks out 400bhp and the same in torque - it'll do 60 in 5 secs and 100 in 13 secs. Whats the average output of 4 litres of American V8 "muscle"?

Here comes the difference, and the point you all seem to be missing. On long straight roads The Jag XJR (did I not mention that) is king. It's stupidly quick for a big car but handles like a barge.

The Honda lives to be thrashed along narrow country lanes and is good for track days - it's light and handles well (it does now anyway) I opted not to have the stupid rear wing and most people think it's a 1.8 sport. It probably wouldn't get near a big block anything that you guys run down a drag strip, but lets face it that's not racing.

If you still fail to understand the relationship between power and weight buy a Lotus.

Oh, and leave the Hondas alone. We have them here too. Stock Preludes and Civic coupes then have big IMSA rear wings, coke can exhausts and ill fitting body kits. They look crap, are driven by twats and think they can out gun a flabby old Jag. Keep those things on the road, just for the looks on their faces as two tonnes of lunacy comes screaming by (straight roads permiting).

Are you asian?


How'd you guess?

i could care less about what car you drive... as long as you take care of it (and if its ugly as heck, sure you can do whatever you like, but just remind yourself everybody else can laugh if they like) and dont just run it into the ground like so many people do...

in any case, i love my E34 bmw 525i with a fuel efficiency M20 SOHC engine... sure it only puts out 168hp/164ft.lbs stock but thats all it needs, everything else is compensated by extremely smooth handling, very smooth suspension, great manual transmission, great body design for added handling and safety, basically it compensates for the lack of drag racing for the ability of overall goodness (wouldn't mind an M5 though)

anyone can build small and big block, most guy build chevy cause they are cheap and easy to make it go fast. Don't take much brain to build chevy. Chevy guys are sort of slow in thinking and talk a lot about nothing, they all talk about how they can beat Dodge and Ford and they never talk about how they got beaten.


People like you are so stupid to generalize people by what they drive. I drive a chevy and I sure as hell am not slow thinking. Chevys small blocks are cheap, reliable, and easy to mod. So it seems the people driving the chevys are the smart ones. :thefinger

IMO...every person that starts a thread like this should be banned....enough of these threads to go on for months....but the topic does fit the thread so no complaints....

i've defended hondas enough...i have nothing to say in their defense that i haven'r said 1000 times...but itz all a matter of taste and i say hate the driver and his taste not the car :thumbsup:

Chevys small blocks are cheap, reliable, and easy to mod. So it seems the people driving the chevys are the smart ones. :thefinger

same with hondas and honda enthuiest (sp)....not exactly on the cheap part though :grinno:

I like how we go from comparing my pushrod to a DOHC engine and you bring up some Ford...

I don't own a muscle car nor will do I own a Ford. But I'll bet you $$ that my American car can corner just as good as any comparable Honda or Toyota.

Jeremy

No It wont.

A Honda Integra Type R
A Honda s2000
A Honda NSX
A Honda NSX Type S Zero
A Honda NSX Type R

WILL EASILY OUTHANDLE YOUR CAR.

Sorry to repeat whats been said already but im pretty tired of reading these retarded America Vs Japan threads. Its been done, nobodys going to change their minds based on what you've said. This is hopefully the last time I'll ever post this but...

Japan- Theres a reason names like Accord and Camry are liked so much more then Taurus or Malibu. I dont think Ive ever seen a major car magazine say that American sedans are as good as the Japanese in years. The VTEC is an innovative way that Japan competes with America without adding cylinders. They tend to last much much longer then American cars. Toyota is also by far the most valuable car company in the world. The Carolla and the Accord are always the top selling cars in America.

America- Still the largest car manufacturers in the world call America home. Nobody makes a V8 like America, and I dont think anyone else really tries. The Corvette Z06 is simply an amazing sports car. 405 bhp is much more then any stock car until you meet up with the Viper, which has HP numbers close to $200,000+ supercars. The Ford GT is another amazing example that America can make a better car, for less. Last time I saw statistics on this, the Ford Focus is the best selling car in the entire World (mostly because of the Euro market). America has incredible skill at making cars with big engines, low costs, and alot of power and torque.

Its really just a matter of what you want. Less weight, high tech, less power? or more weight, lower tech, more power? Personal preference

Also building a Honda is a hell of a lot more for the thinker than building a V8, if you're serious about getting more power. The Honda builder has to find a way around the fact that his car has 1.6 - 2.2 litres, whereas a monkey could make a Pushrod V8 run impressive times at the strip (as much as I hate drag racing). So wouldn't building a Honda be more rewarding ultimately?

Amen.

V8's are nice...when used right on an M5 or an S4... not on some car that can still compare with my 4 cyl civic.

:grinno:

"There is a replacement for displacement... I believe they call it a turbo."

"au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D"

Soooo, under that logic, the best and fastest car in the world will have 0 cylinders right?? :rofl:

The poor guy said that almost 2 weeks ago on page 2, and he took it back very quicly thereafter on page 3...

...anyways, creative use of logic humor there....lol.

"au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D"

Soooo, under that logic, the best and fastest car in the world will have 0 cylinders right?? :rofl:

Well some people do believe that the best engines in the world are Rotary engines, and they have 0 cylinders. Oh and to the person who said "Never put an exhaust on a 4 banger"

Oh really? I have a 4 banger, i DARE you to race me. Or any other real 4-cyl engine powered car. Like the Lotus Elise, or Exige, or the Lancer Evo MR. Just because there are slow 4 bangers doesnt mean there arent fast ones....

Amen.

V8's are nice...when used right on an M5 or an S4... not on some car that can still compare with my 4 cyl civic.

:grinno:

"There is a replacement for displacement... I believe they call it a turbo."


well you can always turbo the v8 too....

well you can always turbo the v8 too....
Nothing better than a forced inducted v8 :)

honda What
Just bought a Honda Civic...SE with a few added touches..rear spoiler and hood edge protector....Traded in my Grand Am because of all the problems..hopefully the Honda works better for me. By the way the Honda done to the nines.. look great...real eye catchers...

No It wont.

A Honda Integra Type R
A Honda s2000
A Honda NSX
A Honda NSX Type S Zero
A Honda NSX Type R

WILL EASILY OUTHANDLE YOUR CAR.


See, you just compared three $80K+ and one $30K car to my car that I wasn't so stupid as to pay nearly that much for :-)

Jeremy

See, you just compared three $80K+ and one $30K car to my car that I wasn't so stupid as to pay nearly that much for :-)

Jeremy
That was a dumb comparision on MexSiR's part, but I think the only Honda a GM FWD platform couldn't outhandle would be the current Honda Legend...

Sorry to repeat whats been said already but im pretty tired of reading these retarded America Vs Japan threads. Its been done, nobodys going to change their minds based on what you've said.....Personal preference
:1:

Why is there always some agression between the Camaro/Mustang group and the Honda group? Pointless to me...

Why is there always some agression between the Camaro/Mustang group and the Honda group? Pointless to me...
Who knows, who cares?

au contraire. honadas take more skill to build then some shitty as big block V8... you actually have to THINK when u build these cars on how to make em fun to drive and low gas mileage thus that was how VTEC was introduced. They dont need to go by the terms like v8 = small penis... v10 = near invisible... and so on... drive a 4 cyl... its the manly thing to do! =D

Honda Guy 4 Life!


Gawd when will you people ever learn.......okay read the bold print carefully.

The more power you add to a car, the less MPG your going to make!

American V8 cars dont get quiet as good gas mileage as 4cyl because...well....its a V8 and its a 4cyl. If you put a V8 in a Honda (is it possible?) then watch the gas mileage drop. Not even that, if you build up the 4cyl in the Honda its still going to drop the mpg by a long shot.

i am sick of you cry babies that complain about the american japan rivalry. if it hurts your feelings then go cry about it, or better yet dont read it. i dont see anything wrong with any of this. its half the fun of owning a fast car, or putting money into a car. i might as well get some other things off my chest. i can not stick up for anyone that puts a exaust and a wing on a 4 cylinder, its simply ridiculis. i am pretty impresed with the full out race imports on speedvision and such. i belive in their cause (stupid ass nhra rules regulating everything). and just to be fair to both sides, new mustangs are pretty slow. the last decent american car with out a ridiculis price tag was the trans am, and theyv endid the production in what 01 or 02. anyway keep the rivalry going despite what these crybabies say.

Just to stir the pot a little. I've owned several Accords and several Civics - all 4 bangers. However, if you want a fair amount of muscle and decent gas mileage, there are a couple of domestic mid size cars that are all over Honda's rump. My all time mileage/power champ was a 1975 Olds Starfire with a 231 Buick V-6, Rochester Duece, and turbo 350 automatic. The thing consistently got 35 mpg running 75 mph on interstates and had excellent takeoff. Have had 2 Chrysler Cirrus cars with 2.5 V-6's, and, both got 30 MPG running interstate speeds. Had a 2000 Dodge Intrepid and now a 2001 Chrysler Sebring 4 door with the 200 HP 2.7 V-6. Both of these managed 30-31 Mpg consistently on trips. The Sebring is decently quick, 0-60 in 8 secs. and a 127 mph topend. Friends of mine who have midsize Buicks with the 3800 V-6 (the current version of the old 231) experience similar performance and gas mileage. The Hondas I've owned did better on mileage on in-town driving but never got mileage like this on trips even though 3 of the Hondas were manuals. A friend of mine has a new Honda Accord V6 and the best it'll do is 27 Mpg - performance being about equal to my Sebring. Funny thing - I had a 1995 Chrysler LHS with the big 3.5 L V6, and, while the car's quality was a bit flaky, it consistently delivered 28 MPG on trips and excellent punch for its size. Anyone out there driving one of the new Chrysler 300s with the 3.5 - be interested in what gas mileage you're getting. Honda may deliver a bit more quality now, but, the domestics are closing the gap, and, presently, Buick may be their equal.


Regards:
Oldengineer

no idea there, but i have an 87 buick gn and that keeps up in gas milage with mos honda toyota v6 and beats their 8 cyls. of course only 8's i know of are their biggist luxury suvs. i have 42.5 lbs injectors in it and an 8 setting e prom chip, so everything is adjustable. she runs low 11's on pump super with 22psi, and gets 25-27 mpg in econo mode. i really dont know what et shed run on this setting, but iv never lost to Any inport on this setting. iv heard of fast imports before, but where i live theyr all show no go. and by show i mean thousands of dollars on wings (on a front wheel drive no less) stickers, lights, shiny wheels, and rediculus sounding exaust pipe. do four bangers really make enough back pressure to benefit from a 4 inch exaust? i just dont understand. and to be fair, who ever said it your right. the mustangs that come frome the factory with non functional ram air hoods are just as silly as the stickers on the imports.someone please correct me if im wrong, i just dont get it. i really dont need to as i enjoy blowing the doors off these "show cars".

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord
Sudan only comes in one size and it's more than mid-sized!!

If C&D rated it the most reliable sedan, ownership surveys are a good indication, as are owners personal experiences, but a magazine just coming out and saying that is NOT.

one more thing, car and driver rated the new buick most reliable mid sized sudan. sorry accord

buick never made C&D top 10
Only 1 American car did... the Vette

the focus did too but thats cuz of the German SVT engine they dropped in it

Also, Accord is title holder with 18/25 top 10 awards... eve higher than the precious bimmer 3. soo yeah dont hate hondas, they've earned their recogition with the american drivers at C&D

yup, and any pizza faced high school nerd can get a big block to run 10's

it take a lot more will, determination, skill, and ingenuity to get a 2 liter 4 banger to 10's

but what all the current honda hating seems like to me (this is like, one of 25 "i hate honda" threads in this forum) is a bunch of people who got stomped by some ricer at the local strip, and are still bitter about it. I've run as hard as i could, and still watched civics pull away from me. (i drive a 3rd gen prelude si) and so what if they were running turbos, thats all part of the game boys.

saying turbos and nitrous are "cheating" in the world of racing, is like saying the forward pass is cheating in football.

WOW I've never been stomped by a civic, I just hate them in ugly form. Look a civic isn't a bad looking car (except the hatch back) just give it a good paint job and nice rims then do all the engine mods you want. Just don't put on an obnoxious body kit and fart trumpet and 12 foot spoiler and cover it with gaudy stickers! You still need to spend a mint to get it to go fast, I hear the Honda guys brag about running 10's and 9's even 8's and 7's get real guys! There are 2 Hondas that run 8's and one has been converted to rear drive, as well neither is a real world car just a seat with tube chassis a fiberglass body and a $100,000.00 engine that can only run a race or two and is payed for by a sponsor.

It's all a mtter of what you like. I have nothing against Hondas (except that all my ex girlfriends drive them!) they are dammed good reliable cars, I just wouldn't buy one because I'm from Detroit I'm currently looking at buying a Focus maybe a Neon. As I said before though don't make them look like sh*t, there is beauty in simplicity. Don't tell me you run 8's with it either :nono: . Yes V-8s are easy to make fast, if you want it to rev higher without making it sound like crap at low RPM it can be done now with the amazing computer, instead of just shoving as much air and fuel through it as possible like the old days (this goes for 4cyl. and all engines as well) you achieve the most efficient and powerful mixture. With computer management engines have been brought into the 20th hell 21st century wether they are OHC or pushrod! No OHC is not new technology just ask OFFENHAUSER a company making powerful ohc engines (as well as power parts for flatheads) in the 20's and 30's. I don't understand why people can't admit a good car is a good car, and the import vs domestic thing erks me. First off not everyone here is American so if someone here is Japanese a Toyotas is usually the domestic to the import Ford get it. Not always as the Dodge Ram is made in Mexico, and the Tundra Indiana? It was brought up somewhere on this thread the Focus is the world's best selling car yes because it's sold in North America, South America, Australia, and Europe (not sure about Asia) though I think it is sold in South Africa. So do Hondas suck? If you think so nothing is going to change your mind, and if you think they're the greatest machines ever nothing is going to change that either. I honestly don't like FWD (unless used as basic transportation) that leave only 2 Hondas S2000, and NSX both of which I actually like, yet wouldn't buy. I drive a 99 F150 and it's proven plenty reliable and with V-6 not bad on gas. I also own a 65 Mustang fastback being retrofitted with modern engine and suspension, because let's face it 60's suspension doesn't cut it now a days. The facts are this - Don't think all Honda drivers are ricers, don't think all those who drive V-8s a mullet heads, there a damned good examples of 8, 6, and 4 cylinder engines out there from the USA, Japan, and Europe. Let's not start talking about the invinsability of our Camaros, Mustangs, Civics etc. leave that to the Skyline (nut riders) fans. Oh yeah for the guy who posted it (V8= small penis) my stang has a V-8 and I have a big penis thank you.

okay, heres my veiw 4 bangers are good for quick fun reliable power but not alot of power, anything over 400hp you have to go bigger motor and also rwd or 4wd of course that car will really be good for only 1 thing and thats going really fast in a straight line for 7 secends. (and belive me thats really a fun time and todally worth it) every car has ups and downs, if only they made a 5-banger with 4-wheel drive (hey if the metro could have 3, why not 5)ha, well anyways thats my two cents

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

ok.. this is coming from Motorbooks Workshop: Sport Compact Car Engine & Driveline. p.69
"A silly Civic Si owner who confidently revs on an LS-1 powered Camaro at a light, cocky in the fact that his engine makes more power per liter, is going to get swatted like a pesky little fly, VTEC or no VTEC."
AMEN...
So before u start talkin shit about "ancient v-8s" :eek7: , know that a turbo 4 banger might take an n/a v8, but never a turbo v8.

one more:

"As bad as the baddest Outlaws are, they are still no match for the equivalent class of domestics. If the big-bore V-8 guys were allowed to turbocharge their huge engines by the rules, the tiny imports would not stand a chance-- multi-vavles, variable cam timing, overhead cams or not."

This is coming from a guy that writes books about Honda/Acura/Mazda/Nissan performance. If he can admit it, why can't you?

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

the volvo s60r comes close to what you would expect no?

okay, heres my veiw 4 bangers are good for quick fun reliable power but not alot of power, anything over 400hp you have to go bigger motor and also rwd or 4wd of course that car will really be good for only 1 thing and thats going really fast in a straight line for 7 secends. (and belive me thats really a fun time and todally worth it) every car has ups and downs, if only they made a 5-banger with 4-wheel drive (hey if the metro could have 3, why not 5)ha, well anyways thats my two cents


Remember the early Audi Quattros? Turbo fives AWD.

ok.. this is coming from Motorbooks Workshop: Sport Compact Car Engine & Driveline. p.69
"A silly Civic Si owner who confidently revs on an LS-1 powered Camaro at a light, cocky in the fact that his engine makes more power per liter, is going to get swatted like a pesky little fly, VTEC or no VTEC."
AMEN...
So before u start talkin shit about "ancient v-8s" :eek7: , know that a turbo 4 banger might take an n/a v8, but never a turbo v8.

one more:

"As bad as the baddest Outlaws are, they are still no match for the equivalent class of domestics. If the big-bore V-8 guys were allowed to turbocharge their huge engines by the rules, the tiny imports would not stand a chance-- multi-vavles, variable cam timing, overhead cams or not."

This is coming from a guy that writes books about Honda/Acura/Mazda/Nissan performance. If he can admit it, why can't you?



I've got no problem admitting that, I agree. There's a guy who works for one of the import magazine staffs, he's got the fastest car on the staff. Catch this it's a 70's Ford Maverick with a 347 stroker.

i like hatchbacks.... :disappoin

For what it's worth...here's my 2 cents...I could care less what it is...import, domestic, 4-banger, v8....if it's well built and fast with 4 wheels, then I'll drive it. Who cares what it is...if it's a fast built car, it's a fast built car..I could care less what "click" it falls into.

I'm not even going to touch the issue of speed. That's never going to be resolved here.
The reason I drive a Honda is that they last for-fucking-ever.
My father-in-law is a mechanic, an over-the-road trucker, and a diehard Chevy man. Pickup trucks all the way.
But the few times he's helped me out, he has been amazed at how well my car has held up. Nothing is rusted, no bolts break when you unscrew things, everything is amazingly easy to replace. (His only complaint is that sometimes it seems like Honda thinks everyone has tiny little Asian hands to reach into those tight spots.)
He's still not going to run out and buy a Honda, but if you compare my '97 Civic with 125k miles to his '98 S-10 with 94k miles, the difference in wear is astounding.
I'm always up for a little race around town, and you win some, you lose some. My car is never going to come close to a Shelby Cobra or a Stingray off the line. But when it comes to working door handles, and wheels that stay on, the Japs win. And that's pretty important, in my book.

WOW I've never been stomped by a civic, I just hate them in ugly form. Look a civic isn't a bad looking car (except the hatch back) just give it a good paint job and nice rims then do all the engine mods you want. Just don't put on an obnoxious body kit and fart trumpet and 12 foot spoiler and cover it with gaudy stickers! You still need to spend a mint to get it to go fast, I hear the Honda guys brag about running 10's and 9's even 8's and 7's get real guys! There are 2 Hondas that run 8's and one has been converted to rear drive, as well neither is a real world car just a seat with tube chassis a fiberglass body and a $100,000.00 engine that can only run a race or two and is payed for by a sponsor.

im with you all the way man. i wasnt defending ricers, i was just trying to put things in perspective. it was more an attack on someone saying "turbos and nitrous are cheating"

i drive a honda, im proud of it. its quick, could be quicker, but i know running 12's is a pipe dream. ill be happy to limp down the track in low 15's.

but im just as impressed with a 10 second import as i am with ten second domestic.

. My car is never going to come close to a Shelby Cobra or a Stingray off the line. But when it comes to working door handles, and wheels that stay on, the Japs win. And that's pretty important, in my book.

What's important to me is the fun to drive factor. Frankly, stock Hondas are not fun to drive. I'm not saying quality is not important, but I won't even take a second look at a car if it's not fun to drive.

Jeremy

There is such thing as an AWD 5 Cylinder car, Audi used to make them and Volvo still make Linear 5 AWD cars.

VW make V5 engines, but not AWD versions of the V5 cars, as far as I know.

It's either inline or flat 5 not V.

Also, Porsche and Subaru are starting to make em too.

What's important to me is the fun to drive factor. Frankly, stock Hondas are not fun to drive. I'm not saying quality is not important, but I won't even take a second look at a car if it's not fun to drive.

Jeremy

define "fun to drive" even when i was driving a stick shift civic/accord i felt it was pretty fun.. but then again i drive an auto.. everytime i test drive a stick it seems fun as hell

and please understand honda isnt limited to just civic and accords, i invite you to drive a prelude or an s2000 and tell me that they arent fun to drive.

how did "honda what" make all this arguing and bullshit talk of 10 sec civics and beefy v-8's and shit? can we really not reallize that everone has differant needs and wants? that you can make a slow muscle car and a fast import? god people lets open our eyes and see beyond our preconsived notins and appriciate what others like.

This thread needs to be closed, its full of nothing but arrogance and ignorance.

This thread needs to be closed, its full of nothing but arrogance and ignorance.

i think you should check where this thread is.. its in the love/hate forum in the cars in general.. its supposed to be full of hate bias arrogance and ignorance

hondas are more contreversal than fucking feriheit 9/11......christ.

itz funny...when everyone talks about hondas...they use that name in general...why not say the car ur referring to...and as everyone knows....the Honda Civic

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.

You can make anything fast with enough $$

With enough time and effort, Civic's can go just as fast (if not faster) than a domestic V8, V10 or whatever. A buddy of mine has a Civic coupe than runs low 12s in the 1/4 mile and that is his daily driver.So.. Your saying a Civic can do a 6 second 1/4 mile like a fully modded Hemi can!?

No I don't think so.

So.. Your saying a Civic can do a 6 second 1/4 mile like a fully modded Hemi can!?

No I don't think so.

You can make anything fast with enough $$

....

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

I wouldn't want to...

Cars that fast aren't what I like...where's all the handling? Gone...it's created to drive straight and will be most effective going straight...while a 10 second street car blows it away in normal driving because it's a lot less of a comprimise.

I'm sorry, but any car can be too quick for street use...and isn't that where most of us "race" our cars 95% of the time?

People say it's expensive to make an import quick...what about the sentra se-r which definitely isn't the best bang for your buck in terms of import power, but is faster than a mustang gt/ camaro z28?


I know the spec v isn't a super car, but I wish people would stop acting like it takes 10k to make an import quicker than a domestic...some of them come stock that way.

And I don't want to hear "but it's still way slower than the SS or cobra or viper" those cars are definitely not what most people here drive or have even test driven. I'm talking about real cars...like econo boxes and v6 mustang "sports cars"...cars a lot of people on here actually own and enjoy.

Have you ever seen a 6 second civic?

never seen a million dollars...doesn't mean it doesn't exist or will never cross my path

True

um, why not let people just enjoy there cars?

God, drag racing causes alot of arguments!

Not all cars are built for the same purposes, so stop comparing them.

and anyone setting out to build a six second civic started with the wrong car, but to each his own

peace y'all

PLEASE CLOSE THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASEEE!!! IT's a MOFO headache

Any car can be made to go fast. Just like the need to have 200 channels on the TV, it's all about personal taste, and it's all good.

when ppl say "honda's suck", do they also mean acura? because NSX's and Type R's are faster, better, and more appealing than pretty much any mitsu, mazda, and any damn pinto.

when ppl say "honda's suck", do they also mean acura? because NSX's and Type R's are faster, better, and more appealing than pretty much any mitsu, mazda, and any damn pinto.

can you please name all the type r's that come from acura?

can you please name all the type r's that come from acura?Integra Type R?

Integra Type R?

hm.. i seem to have missed the obvious.. i forgot we had that here lol

nsx r....well is a type of r :D

nsx r....well is a type of r :D

i kept thinking integra was badged honda.. dam.. anyways yea.. the type r's aren't bad.. they are made to be track cars.. companies like spoon/jun make them even better

i kept thinking integra was badged honda..Well it is in Japan..

Well it is in Japan..

well i mean in the US.. because that guy was asking about nsx/type r.. the integra completely slipped my mind.. i just dont think its "luxurious" enough to be called an acura

and the nsx r is only available in japan...so i guess that doesn't count