A few days ago I found out a 95 Civic Si (hatch) weighs about 2350 lbs and does the 1/4 mile in 16.5 seconds. Since then, I've been very curious as to what it would do if you striped the Civic and took out 400 L.B.S. out of it, added I/H/E (which adds a litle more than 10 HP), got grippy tires. You'd have a 2000 LBS hatch with and engine almost as powerful as the B18B. Would this little pocket-rocket break 15's???

Anyone have a car similar to the one I described?

This is a single cam Si ?
If so I highly doubt that stripping the car will put it on the same level as a b18.

yah, the B18B has loads more torque than the Z6 will ever have.

...I still think 1900 LBS and 135 HP will make a fast car :p

It will be quicker than a 2350lb car with 135hp...Oh I just read your post properly...I don't know with extensive stripping you may be able to...I don't know how your gonna strip 400 lbs though...keep in mind someone has to drive the car...

I've seen plenty of sub-2000 LBS hatched with single cams, and when I mention the weight, it's the weight of the car, not the car/driver combo. To put things into perspective, the Civic CX is 2093 LBS without air conditioning and sunroof and other stuff. Stripping the whole car and replacing certain parts with lighter parts will make it weigh 1900 LBS or less. My friends hatch with an H22 in it weighs 2050 LBS, thikn about it :P

Every 100lbs lost is .1 off your 1/4 I/H/E on an SOHC 4cyl. will barely be noticeable at the wheels. Tires will help off the line, but you have to realize that torque is what wins races. And this car has barely any. Not to mention, H/E lower backpressure. On an NA car, some backpressure is necessary for low end torque, so if you overdo it with the size of the piping, you may even slow down.
Also stripping 400lbs out of a car is not easy, or cheap. Especially if it is going to remain a daily driver. I would address the issue of power before bothering with weight reduction.
I doubt the car would break 15s. It be more worthwhile to just add a turbo.

If torque wins races, then the 1999 V6 Accord should easily beat the Integra GS-R because the Accord has 200 LBS of torque while the GS-R has 128 LBS. :p

If an engine has low torque but still has HP (like the single cam), then it has a good RPM. Example: integra gsr has 128 lbs of torque and 170 HP, thentra spec V has 165 LBS torque and the same Hp level as the GSR, probable becuase the integra redlines at 8000 while the spec v goes to about 6500.

P.S I spank SPEC Vs with my GSR

EDIT: My point is, it's not torque that wins races, it's a torque/RPM combo, and the torque and rpm combo is called HORSEPOWER. If it was all about torque then V6 accords would be alot faster. Torque si important but torque just reffers to...torque, while Hp take torque AND rpm into account.

tourque X RPM / 5252= horsepower

that sentra in my sig has the same QR motor in the SE-R except with a freaking autotragic tranny and I lay waste to B16 equipped cars all day long and can hang with GSRs. B16's have 170 hp and 111 lb/ft of torque. My car has 165 hp and 170 ft/lb of torque and it weighs more. The only thing small Honda motors have is a big RPM range.

For some reason I don't believe you spank GSR's all day long. The only car that Spec V drivers are threatened by is the RSX-S.

ONLY the RSX-S? Not afraid of the Mazdaspeed Protege? Or the SRT-4?

I'm not makin fun of Nissans if you're thinking that. The QR25 is one hell of a motor...I've seen what it's capable of, but what I was trying to say that's it's not ONLY torque that matters, it's torque AND rpm which then translates into HP.

Out of Hondas fool

Out of Hondas fool

...He's got ya there... :grinno:

...He's got ya there... :grinno:
well shit, I don't remember MSPs or SRT-4s coming up in the thread. He said he spanks Spec Vs with his GSR, not MSP or SRT-4. The MSP is on equal ground as the SpecV. It has 170hp and 160lb/ft of torque. The SpecV has 170hp and 175 lb/ft of torque, plus it's about 200lbs lighter and has a 6th gear. Off hand, the only cars that can really lay waste to a SpecV that I can think of are RSX-S, SRT-4 and Eclispe GTS. GSRs, MSPs, and Celicas, would all be pretty damn close.

The only car that Spec V drivers are threatened by is the RSX-S.


You said the ONLY CAR, you should'ev been more specific and said the only HONDA, you fucking dipshit.

Oh I'm so sorry. You're the one calling me a dipshit when you have in your sig saying street racing is safer than driving on the freeways :rolleyes: