Anyone with legitimate Night7Racing related problems

please anyone with current legitimate problems with night7racing or its owner Cameron please contact me via email: projectrb240sx@hotmail.com

I'm trying to build a case against him. I will be persuing all legal routes as to end his business and fraudulent business practices. Please any help on the situation will speed this process along.

what happened?

He's fucking me and a bunch of other people over. His is feeding people line of bullshit about their refunds, taking forever to send/order parts and lying or coming up with excuses for it, He is flat out refusing a refund to me for a product that he had falsely advertised, he is openly degrading my character in public forums and local car shows/events, he is illegally operating his business without a business license, he is not charging local sales tax, he is illegally selling skylines as legal road cars, he has committed mail fraud, false advertising, and various other things.

He has basically dropped off the face of the earth and is not answering phone calls or emails. I tried calling him three times today from different numbers to no avail. This time I want cameron gone and gone for good, he needs to realize he just fucked with the wrong person and he isn't untouchable. I already have favors underway and calls going into the proper channels.... so any additional cases would help speed this along. This shit needs to stop before it turns into what happend at afterdark tuning and cameron 6 months ago.

damn, and i almost bought an s13 front end from this place...

whatever happened to that one kid from night7??? he just kinda stopped posting

cameron got kicked off of here a while ago for some reason or another.

i told you he's a shady person. that zoso guy worked for night7racing and i even called him out on the company being shady. he made up some typical excuse. hope you get everything worked out with them

Yeah its my fault I even gave cameron a Chance after the first fiasco.... but hey most people deserve a second chance and obviously he didn't. Derek is a good guy its cameron that is the problem and it wouldn't surprise me if zoso was cameron. My situation is taken being taken care of by an outside source not cameron or his company. As for many other people they don't have the luxury I do and I'm trying to get tis to happen for them plus I want to see camerons business gone for good if he wants to be as shady as he is. I didn't want to see it escalte to this level or turn into this personal battle, but he obviously felt the need to bring it to this point.

I would like to warn any people looking to do business w/ cameron that he has the devils tongue and is a two faced liar. He's your best friend until he gets your money and then after that he doesn't know you. Please if anyone has any sour business dealings with him still pending a result or restitution please contact me.

Well I hope no one bought a skyline from cameron.... because they aren't going to be happy when it gets taken away.

whatever happened to that one kid from night7??? he just kinda stopped posting

Haha he got banned... too much "plugging"

I've heard countless horror stories about night7...they're supposedly "reformed" now and don't rip people off "anymore." I'd never give them my money. Sean Morris owned the hell outta Cam on the AF Skyline forums, he proved what he was doing with importing Skylines is totally illegal. I wouldn't trust him.

Don't Worry.... I Informed Motorex, The Dot, And The Us Customs. They All Are Going To Be Investigating The Matter.

I know nothing of Night7, but if a company is saying "we don't rip off people anymore", I'd avoid them....sort of like a liar saying "Trust me!" :)

Some good info:
1) Do not deal with unlicensed businesses...a business license is cheap and makes the entity legal...it may still be crooked though.

2) If buying a large item that is as-is (esp. from overseas) find out who the burden falls on if it arrives incomplete. More often than not it's the 'SHOP' not doing there homework and getting screwed. There are quite a few dishonest overseas companies shipping out junk...most 'fly by night' shops cannot afford to 'eat' the bad deal they made....so they stick the customer with it. This JDM craze is fueling the bank accounts of many crooks. You cannot sue someone outside the country.

3) A good website is easy (well sort of), getting parts for your dollar is easy, however for problems finding good customer service is the hard part. Many fly by nights have barely enough time set aside to run their 'businesses', yet alone handling phone calls....alot of companies don't even have phone numbers listed and if they do, it's always voice mail.

4) Refunds are a tricky thing....more often than not the small shop has the money spent before you even have your part. They don't even have business accounts and if they do, they have no operating capital. This is why having $10k just sitting as a business is a wise move...

Good luck to everyone that's been shafted.

Oh, shit! I used to talk to Zoso before he got banned! He used to hang-out in the Z forum and I was even thinking about buying an RB26DETT from his company... he used to run his mouth about Night7 all the time! I e-mailed him shortly after he was banned but he never contacted me back! Those fucks.... This is the second "I got ripped off by so-and-so..." thread! That pisses me off! Did Zoso rip anyone off??? I gotta let the guys in the Z forum know about this!

Hey:musicsurfman!!! Would you mine posting this thread in the Z forums???

You More Than Welcome To Copy This There.

I'm gonna post it on the SKYLINE USA forum too... thanks for the tip-off, musicsurfman! Sorry about your losses! I hope you get them back!

Its Ok I'm Getting My Situation Rectified Through Other Sources But Other People Aren't So Lucky. Ohh By The Way Motorex Isn't Happy.

That sucks... and I thought that Zoso guy was cool and informative... he knew a shit load about Z's and Skylines!

Zoso Might Not Be Cameron. Cameron Has A Guy Named Derek Who Works For Him, Zoso Might Be Derek Or Just A Friend Of Camerons.

I think Derek was Zoso... but I'm not gonna trust anyone from that company!

I'm not gonna trust him 'cus he was like: "Oh, I can hook you up! Oh, you need that for your car... I got it! Don't go with those guys... we're better!" I think he was trying just a lil' to hard and was always spamming about his Company.... I just now put two and two together: they may have been ripping people off knowingly!

I was the one who banned both of them for trying to sling bullshit in the Skyline forums. We caught them both out.
I'm way ahead of anyone on informing MotoRex about them. Also Sean of RBMotoring knows them also.

Their topic and comments smelt like shit, turned to shit so I flushed the shit. Seems I wasn't too far off on them being full of shit now.

Sorry to hear about those who were taken, I did try and warn people in the Skyline area but didn't think to try and follow them around the boards as it seemd most of their activities were consintrated in my area.

Best of luck and someone please keep me informed. Much appreciated.

Well He Has Sold Atleast One Skyline For Street Use And Is Trying To Sell Another.

Now why doesn't that suprise me! I hope they get done big time aye.

BTW NightXCZ77 was banned on Dec 29, 2003. Happy New Year fuckwit!

nice skyline razorgtr, i wish I had one! http://forum.xbox365.com/ubb-data/graemlins/cry2.gif

How much hp do you plan to squeeze out of it anyways?

Ok guys. ZOSO is me, I am also NISMO LMR... Razor remembers me.

I have no idea who this Derek guy is. Me and Cameron speak daily on the phone, and he has never mentioned this guy. Allow me to say that all I did was promote... All of you who knew NISMO LMR and ZOSO saw that... I will E-Mail you tonight man, we will have a nice talk about Cameron and his bussiness. Im a 17 year old who loves Skylines, and like's selling Skylines...

I appoligize for anyone who had any headache over anything to do with NSR. Please E-Mail me at NISMOLMR@aol.com if you would like to talk. Thanks guys.

This is gettin' really bizzare...

Sure is. But 1viadrft... Dude me and you are bro's, I had no idea what was going on, you gotta believe me on that. I'll try and help work this thing out to the best of my ability... And once again guys, sorry for any stress that was caused by this.

I can relate to you Banned Soon. However did you speak highly of them for things you had no knowledge of in reality?

I know a lot that 'went to work' as distributors for a 'nameless' mod shop. They all spoke of tons of parts just sitting to be sold, how they personally met with the two partners, saw the custom body kit in person, etc.

Lo and behold there was not really much of any inventory. There was no 'body kit' but some crude sketches and no one was willing to mold it at their price...it went on and on.

When all was said and done people lost a lot of money.

I am not saying anything about the situation you are in, but many companies spring up everyday knowing that some young guy will come on board and praise them to no end in order to make sales and subsequently himself successful. They know that seasoned vets would see all the warning signs.

Hopefully you can come out on top in this but chances are you may have sealed your own fate with others.

Good Luck

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Gotcha. But I am not an employee. Never on payroll. Never made a sale, never did much except design his logos, and promote. Anyone can do that. That means that anyone who said "night7racing is good" is attached too. I'm not worried about the situation, I have no legal tie.

Good thing this happened now, I was working on my first sale.

Take it easy guys.

the legal end is not the issue, it's your reputation. Only a few will be involved in the legal end, but everyone knows the rep.

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Its just a reputation online... Doesnt exactly matter. I wasnt looking for a future in the importation biz anyways... Just a kid having fun. I guess Im not an average 17 year old, eh? Haha.

Hey I emailed you and I want to know more. I guess Cameron buys mckinney mounts for some of his installs.... what a joke, this guy gets more amusing with every breath.

Well, Zoso... I like you... but I'm not sure I would buy anything from you! No-offense! I hope you didn't have anything to do with Night7 ripping people off directly!!!

I had nothing to do with it man... I didnt even know they were doing anything of the such. And Camerons arch enemy is McKinney... Why would he buy mounts off them?

To Do Comparisons.... But He Supposedly Bought Multiple Mounts. Cameron As A Person Is A Joke And He'll Never Cease To Realize The Rb25det Sits Completely Different Than The Rb20det, You Can See It In All Pictures And Even The Block Mounts Are Different

Ok this thread has gotten way out of Hand and too personal..... I never intended this thread to go this far and my anger definately brought it here..... I would like to request this thread closed and deleted.

Well dude... Its not that. But why didnt you start this thread on a forum that Cameron is actually ON. So he can defend himself. It seems that when I stepped into this thread, everyone else lost interest. You are the only person that Cameron has ever given any hard time what so ever. And I see why now. No one else has any problems with this guy, just "Horror Stories!" and "I've heard bad things about NSR!" and its people like you who are telling these stories, and starting these rumors. Stop being pissed off at Cameron, and stop doing what you are doing. Cameron, Mike, Derek, and I agree, you are deffinately just pissed off at NOTHING.

O and im not starting another "bashing contest" or "pissing contest" as you so described it on NICO and Club240... and what happened with those threads? I remember you got told because you had no idea what engines were in what cars, and you called Cameron a moron... He proved you wrong, 100%, that has to say something.

Link to Club240.com.... Nice thread too (http://www.club240.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11509)

Look dude, from what i've read on the threads, and what Cameron and Derek (by the way, I was just made aware of Dereks presence at NSR, I knew Cam hired someone, but he didnt tell me his name) have told me, you need to get over yourself. And stop trying to drill Cams biz into the ground. Because your efforts are to no avial.

Now stop coming on all of these forums during your work hours, and actually DO SOME WORK!

If you would like, I can link the NICO page as well? Or will we just leave it at this... You stop being pissed at this situation... If you have a problem with Cameron, drive the 50 miles, and talk to him face to face. What you are doing is pointless, and immature. Your point has been made, and reiterated many times on other forums, and you know what. Cam has combated you every single time, and come out on top.

Top Hats mounts work, you even admited that in that one NICO thread, but since they didnt do EXACTLY what you wanted, you started this.

Hell, put yourself in Cams place... So some guys friend (um... The guy would be you) comes around when you are about to take off to pick up your wife, and YOUR NEW BORN BABY from the hospital, and starts BSing about buying an RB, he never does, and he hangs around for an hour and half, thus you are late to pick up your wife. Im sure you wouldnt be pissed AT ALL.

That is only one example of how you have inconvinienced Him.

Before you go and do this again, put yourself in his possition.

Is this over now?

Now to end this post, I will say I didnt mean any offense what so ever towards you, just stating that you need to chill out... Now if anyone has any legitiment problems with NSR, take it up personally with him, dont go on a forum and start pissing and moaning. Esspecailly on a forum where he cant even defend himself.

I have said what I have to say. And I hope you listen to it dude, its not worth going on, over.

Aight you guys, take it easy.

My only question is are you part of this Banned Soon or not. First you say you just want to set the record straight...but in reality it seems you are still defending the company.

So what is it?

Also that thread you linked was not even a reply, the guy started a whole new topic to reply in and it was instantly locked. Hardly 100% there on anything, if anything at all the whole point is to argue semantics on rb20det's and that although several models had them there is only one you want.

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Cameron was quoting Christian on what was in a previous post.

I am part of the company, not legally bound, by anything. I am a promoter. I am a salesmen, off payroll, commission only. Thus I am not part of the company.

A "friend" of the company lets put it.

I am defending my friend Cameron, not the company. I am simply stating this thread or topic should not carry on what so ever!

Christian is pissed off at Cameron for nothing. All the factors in this situation agree with that... Mike at Top Hat, Derek, Cameron of NSR. And me.

Technically I am part of NSR, but not legally bound, or attached by a contract. Believe me, I would have left NSR if I thought anything wierd was going on. NSR was the first company I ever sold for, then SPEED53 (fraud, they claimed they were a legalizer of Nissan Skylines... With no RI information, also, there is an interesting story where the pictures they sent me of "their" Skylines, matched up perfectly with another fraud company... Omega Skylines. It was far to sketch for me to be involved in, so I left.), then RB Motoring (never sold anything, it kinda faded out after a while, no one would ever tell me what to do, there was no connection, so I kinda just dropped it) then Fuel Imports (they were asking too much from a 17 year old. They were asking me to do a full time job, with almost no spare time in my life as it is, so that didnt work out), I stuck with NSR though. Cameron is one of the coolest dude's I know, he is straight up, and he actually listen's to people. I think he deals with people's BS more than he should. But hey, thats why he's got me, to deal with people's BS.

I do help out at NSR. I can name countless kids who have IM'd, or E-Mailed me asking for help, or information. Most companies, or people in my situation would just shut them off (as most people did to me when I was first starting... But once again, Cameron actually helped me.) and instead of shutting these kids off, I help them. Even though they will never buy anything, I help.

So that is why I am defending Cameron,and NSR. Christian is the only one with a problem, and this whole topic just needs to be dropped.

I was playing an angle dude. Acting neutral until I could adequately research the situations, and speak to the proper people.

So that if NSR was really screwing people, and I wasnt aware. I could play the negative angle after the fact, and still be good.

Or if it turns out I was right, and nothing extreme had occured (which I was), then I could go back to my optimistic angle.

I was covering myself dude. NSR is a good company, and a company that is about to be real big here soon. Cameron is a cool guy, and I respect for what he did for me, and what he does for others.

THAT is why I am defending Cameron, and NSR.

Is that cleared up now?

Can this whole topic just be dropped, and left alone now?

(O and the point of that post Cameron did, was that Christian called Cameron a moron for not knowing that CA18DET had more power than RB20DET in the R31. Cameron just proved him wrong, by 3hp.)

Countless words and paragraphs have been said in NSR's defense. This means that there have been equally as many accusations. While they may or may not be true, the company's reputation is forever tainted. Honestly I don't care if his name and his company's name is clear, I just don't trust them OR how overpriced they are.

If he has a busy life outside of work, then importation isn't a good choice of profession.

man ...... Motorex don't care those idiots they got lawyre to deal with this kina shit, close this thread!!! its toooooooo personal for eveyone to read..... ok i'll shut-up now........:(

MotoRex???? Haha, MotoRex is a joke bro. Charging 16g for reinforced dash bars, reguided fuel necks, side markers, and MPH in stead of KPH. $16,000??!?!?! Hahaha right. Seeming as they cant even legalize Skylines past 1996 due to OBDII standards. And yet, somehow, Hiro has a "legal" 2002 Nür Skyline that has been seen driven on roads, I also have pictures of this. And, RB Motorings BERT (2000 Skyline GTR) has been spotted in Las Vegas (in SCC magazine) and I have pictures of Bert in someone's driveway, on the tracks, and now... On the streets of Las Vegas. And yet they arent legal... If you are an RI (which RB Motoring, and MotoRex are) you cannot drive an imported vehicle past your premises, until it is legal... And 1996+ CAN NOT BE LEGAL! Does RB Motorings premises stretch to Las Vegas?.. Hmmm, sounds like a violation to me?

Nothing is what it seems you guys. This thread needs to be closed off now, its about to turn into a flaming war!

Razor? Do you agree with me? This thread has reached its end.

Man im 'bout to live up to my screen name on this one... Banned.

(O and by the way... MotoRex doesnt give a rats ass about our importation bussiness.)

J Spec Nightmare. Im not singling you or anything. I am not coming at you offensively.

But the guy has a life... That doesnt, and shouldnt deter him from doing his job.

Also, it doesnt take any amount of paragraphs to defend NSR, I was just making sure my point got across, and im hoping it did.

Your a cool dude, I liked you when I was still on here as Zoso.

From what I have heard, Christian has made a formal appology to everyone involved. So this thing is over... Does everyone hear this. OVER.

Now guys I will close this off (hopefully) with one thought.

"Think for yourself... Question authority. Through-out Human history, as out species has faced, the frightening, terrorizing fact, that we do not know who we are or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the religous, the political, the educational, authorities, who have attempted to comfort us, by giving us order. Rule. Regualtions. Informing, forming our minds, their view of reality.
To think for yourself, you MUST question authority, and learn how to put yourself, in a state of vunerable, openmindedness, chaotic, confused vunerabilty, in order to inform YOURSELF..."

-Timothy Leary : 1972 "How to operate your brain"

The basic ideal of this statement was to enable the American youth to think for themselve's. Reminding them to always question WHY.

I am asking you all to question authority now, and think for yourself.
Anyone can become an authority over you, MotoRex, a Princepal at your school... Me?

So next time you hear something, do your OWN research formulate your OWN opinions. Find your own identity, and encourage the others around you to do the same.

Think for yourself, Question Authority.

Sorry for that long deep analysis of my own personal enlightenment. But it is good advice.

Take it to heart, and do your own research.

Be your own authority.


-Zoso

For the record (unless you are a child) you can be civilly held accountable for any financial transactions as a non-employee for another.

In reality by not being bound to the company sets you up for a worse fate than not as you will be paying your own legal expenses.

Hate to say it but whether Motorex is gouging or not is moot. Most buyers of these kinds of 'toys' could give a shit less on the cost...they want hassle-free. You are talking about something most of the US can't buy themselves outright (whether it's a $25k or $80k Skyline), and will have to dip in to their home's equity most of the time. They want to be sure they get what they are buying.

I have a friend that is constant 'bouncing' BS ideas off of me....his last was doing 40-50 late model RX7's a month at $30-50k a pop....it's just not realistic.

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How can I be accountable for anything. I haven't handled funds of any kind...

I am a promoter... That is IT. Once again this brings me back to my example. Anyone who said "NSR is good" is now accountable for everything. That is basically all I do.

Now how does that tie me into anything? Esspecially since I am only 17.

And you are right, Skylines arent realistic for most people. Me included. 300ZX works just fine... For now at least :D .

The main purpose of my post there wasnt to talk about pricing. It was to talk about how even MotoRex, and RB Motoring (companies who are supposed to be the most by the books, legit importation companies) are getting around the law somehow. And they personally dont care about our importation or sales methods.

-Can this PLEASE end now?

If you want to speak off AF. You can feel more than free to speak with me via AIM at NISMO LMR. Look forward to speaking with you man, take it easy.

I am part of the company, not legally bound, by anything. I am a promoter. I am a salesmen, off payroll, commission only. Thus I am not part of the company.


Commissions are based on profits, and if you have very received any money, you are 100% a part of that company and you just implicated yourself as well. i've work off of full comission many times, its just a differnt pay struture. and, if the money that you get is commission off of sales profits from NSR, and taxes are not being deducted and your not listed as an employee, the IRS may take interest in that. let whoever say what they want abour NSR. but take some advice and don't dig any new holes for them or yourself. you a may be 17, but your never too young for an audit.

-Can this PLEASE end now?


Sure shut your pie hole.

However being the babe you are it's a moot point, anyone that would drop major cash on you is an idiot for all intents and purposes.

Should you have been an adult (whether in a 300ZX or not) you'd be in the same boat Night is.

Would you like a new shovel for the hole you are digging?

The amount of 'shops' promising 'y0 JDM tight shit' each month and never delivering is uncountable and each has a team of pubescent chaps chomping at the bit for fame and fortune.

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this thread furthers the arguement in favor of the ka24det.

you know this is all bullshit... ohh and me not having anything to be pissed about is total bullshit I have tonbs to be pissed about and you little lacky can go to hell.

Hey everybody want to know camerons legal skyline method? Well I can tell you in Detail and also tell you that it is totally illegal. If anyone including cameron is caught with these cars they will be confinscated and destroyed. I didn't want to get into a fucking fued and your little dumbass trying to cause shit which I wouldn't doubt that you aren't cameron is and instigator and a fucking liar. I stand by everything I say and can back it all up with factual evidence. You know I'm truely sick of playing games already.... and Fred if you read this, I tried and cameron or one of his associates is bringing me to this pissed off point, I will be following through with everything I have said I would and I will be doing my best to end this crap.

I am thinking his plan is similar to below (as I have been approached to use my wife's connects to do a lot of importing which would be illegal...she is from Japan only 2 years ago and her family is all mechanics...before anyone says what does a 'kid' know of importing...we are both closer to 40 than we are 20 ;) ).

1) import engines have them delivered to possibly even a third party.

2) import chassis....perhaps minus fenders and interiors, brake components, wheels, etc...import them as salvage or scrap, etc anything but a 'drivable vehicle'

3) import the rest or buy it pre-imported stateside.

4) piece it all back together on the backend and sell the 'cars' as wall-art, advertising, non-drivable demo vehicle, a race car, a kit car, a new 'model' prototype, etc.

The fact is most of these younger people with the ambitions of bringing in a non-financible vehicle with a small niche market and seen as a toy/second or third vehicle by most of the purchasers aren't understanding that Motorex and the others *know* they will not sell Skylines to teens and financially weaker clients. Whether you shave $10k off making for $15k to 78k Skylines, even at $15k most of the country is not going to have that kind of cash to plop down on a weekend car. That's just at the older/entry level...most of america will never drive even a car with a $30k MSRP on it at time of purchase.

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Ok guys. ZOSO is me, I am also NISMO LMR... Razor remembers me.

I have no idea who this Derek guy is. Me and Cameron speak daily on the phone, and he has never mentioned this guy. Allow me to say that all I did was promote... All of you who knew NISMO LMR and ZOSO saw that... I will E-Mail you tonight man, we will have a nice talk about Cameron and his bussiness. Im a 17 year old who loves Skylines, and like's selling Skylines...

I appoligize for anyone who had any headache over anything to do with NSR. Please E-Mail me at if you would like to talk. Thanks guys.


Yes I remember you and I also remember Igor banning ZOSO personally. So in effect he's banned you. So in that respect your nick has been fulfilled.

I honestly don't care how old you are what I can about is the integraty of AF. Now from what I gather Night and Cameron one and the same. Unless proven otherwise. If you are part of the solution you are part of the problem. Pretty simple.

Night was banned for very obvious reasons. Ones that can be read about in the Skyline forums, United States (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166390) section. It's a sticky so not hard to find.

RBMotoring is still going through the process of being legit. Sean Morris and or anyone else who works there got their Skylines through MotoRex.
Seeming as they cant even legalize Skylines past 1996 due to OBDII standards. And yet, somehow, Hiro has a "legal" 2002 Nür Skyline that has been seen driven on roads, I also have pictures of this. And, RB Motorings BERT (2000 Skyline GTR) has been spotted in Las Vegas (in SCC magazine) and I have pictures of Bert in someone's driveway, on the tracks, and now... On the streets of Las Vegas. And yet they arent legal... If you are an RI (which RB Motoring, and MotoRex are) you cannot drive an imported vehicle past your premises, until it is legal... And 1996+ CAN NOT BE LEGAL! Does RB Motorings premises stretch to Las Vegas?.. Hmmm, sounds like a violation to me?

MotoRex was doing the R34's legally but they let their paperwork laps. I'll find the thread on it, but right now sorry I have to go. I'll continue this later though.

Until then the thread stays or should remain open.