what is the order u whould put these

EVO and STi and 350Z in 1st all really depending on your personal preference, with SRT4 at the bottom.

1) Nissan 350Z - i love z cars and this thing is so beautiful and fast

2) Subaru STi - the sti and evo are about the same performance so it comes to looks, and i like the sti better in styling

3) Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution - diddo

4) Dodge Neon SRT-4 - c'mon now, it is still a neon

p.s. i wrote the names out because i'm bored

1. 350Z- I just think it's good looking

2. Sti- Better looking than the Evo

3. Evo- It's not a Neon

4. Srt-4- It IS a Neon

These Evo/Sti threads never seem to have an ending. I've counted 6 particularly comparable threads just in the first page (including this one). At least make it more specific. I'm sure I've already replied to at least a few relatively similar threads already.

Do you guys even bother do even a slight amount of research before you post that ignorant comment "its still a neon".


Could you people make even a slight bit of effort and look past your biased opnionions and use google to do some research into a car before bashing it.

Is it so hard to as for a bit of proof to your arguments?


Fine "its just a neon" prove it. Show how crappy the engine is, or ho bad the suspension handles. Or maybe how slow they are. Lets see some evidence.

here I'll do my part:

Actuall pics and analisys of the engine and ECU:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

or here actual evidence of its perfomance:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=6862&page_number=6


Plus I have direct personal experience with it. And i consider it one of the cars with best potential for AutoX.

the only reason i bothered to put the srt4 in the forum is becouse i am thinking between these cars to buy and i am stuck and i herd for 25k u kan put the stage 2 turbo toys and stage 3 turbo to make it hit 300hp and 300ftlb trq

the only reason i bothered to put the srt4 in the forum is becouse i am thinking between these cars to buy and i am stuck and i herd for 25k u kan put the stage 2 turbo toys and stage 3 turbo to make it hit 300hp and 300ftlb trq

its true for an extra 1500 you can get the stage 2 with turbo toys

this will give you about
260 Hp and 280 lbs TQ
280 hp and 300 lbs torque with the high octane map which you can switch anytime you put in 100 octane

the stage 3 is not out yet but it should give you over 300hp and way over 300TQ on regular octane

FWI all the numbers I posted are at the wheels. This will translate in way more to the crank


you can always go the cheaper route and do your own mods rathen than the factory ones. It is well knows that $1500 worth of mods can put you almost in mid 12's

and for handling you could always use the 1-3 stages custom made by KW suspension for mopar

the only reason i bothered to put the srt4 in the forum is becouse i am thinking between these cars to buy and i am stuck and i herd for 25k u kan put the stage 2 turbo toys and stage 3 turbo to make it hit 300hp and 300ftlb trq

dude, if all you're worried about is the HP numbers, buy the Neon. Save the cooler cars till you "get it" :biggrin:

Do you guys even bother do even a slight amount of research before you post that ignorant comment "its still a neon".


Could you people make even a slight bit of effort and look past your biased opnionions and use google to do some research into a car before bashing it.

Is it so hard to as for a bit of proof to your arguments?


Fine "its just a neon" prove it. Show how crappy the engine is, or ho bad the suspension handles. Or maybe how slow they are. Lets see some evidence.

here I'll do my part:

Actuall pics and analisys of the engine and ECU:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

or here actual evidence of its perfomance:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=6862&page_number=6


Plus I have direct personal experience with it. And i consider it one of the cars with best potential for AutoX.

yes, i have heard all good things about the srt-4. i know the car isn't slow, i know that the engine isn't slow, but it still has those goofy headlights and weird body shape imo. maybe if we were comparing the srt-4 to different cars, but in this group, with the cars as fast as they are, i would personally never take the srt-4 in this group.

Do you guys even bother do even a slight amount of research before you post that ignorant comment "its still a neon".


Could you people make even a slight bit of effort and look past your biased opnionions and use google to do some research into a car before bashing it.

Is it so hard to as for a bit of proof to your arguments?


Fine "its just a neon" prove it. Show how crappy the engine is, or ho bad the suspension handles. Or maybe how slow they are. Lets see some evidence.

here I'll do my part:

Actuall pics and analisys of the engine and ECU:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

or here actual evidence of its perfomance:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=6862&page_number=6


Plus I have direct personal experience with it. And i consider it one of the cars with best potential for AutoX.

Sure, everyone knows the thing is fast, but in my opinion it's the ugliest and from what I've read the slowest of the group. I don't have any personal experience with the car because not a person I know has one. Why would I choose it over an Sti or 350Z? Or even and Evo? Doesn't make sense. Of course if it was my money I wouldn't buy any of them... Mainly because I can't afford any of them with MY money.

Do you guys even bother do even a slight amount of research before you post that ignorant comment "its still a neon".


Could you people make even a slight bit of effort and look past your biased opnionions and use google to do some research into a car before bashing it.

Is it so hard to as for a bit of proof to your arguments?


Fine "its just a neon" prove it. Show how crappy the engine is, or ho bad the suspension handles. Or maybe how slow they are. Lets see some evidence.

here I'll do my part:

Actuall pics and analisys of the engine and ECU:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0310scc_projneon/

or here actual evidence of its perfomance:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=6862&page_number=6


Plus I have direct personal experience with it. And i consider it one of the cars with best potential for AutoX.
its still a neon...
and your a stupid coment! in a few months your gonna see everyone coming up here "my neon f*cked up"! yeah, while the 350Z engine will keep the title for the top 10 engines for another year! its been having it for some 10 years now, not really sure. the STi will gladly take a big mean powerful flawless SRT-4 anytime!:) EVO... you wouldnt even wanna go there.... so yes! neon is the bang for the buck. its actually a pretty good car! but its STILL A NEON!! :lol:

EVO8, STI, 350z, srt-4

yes, i have heard all good things about the srt-4. i know the car isn't slow, i know that the engine isn't slow, but it still has those goofy headlights and weird body shape imo. maybe if we were comparing the srt-4 to different cars, but in this group, with the cars as fast as they are, i would personally never take the srt-4 in this group.

Sure, everyone knows the thing is fast, but in my opinion it's the ugliest and from what I've read the slowest of the group. I don't have any personal experience with the car because not a person I know has one. Why would I choose it over an Sti or 350Z? Or even and Evo? Doesn't make sense. Of course if it was my money I wouldn't buy any of them... Mainly because I can't afford any of them with MY money.

well its true is probably not the best looking car of the bunch and it has a rental car interior except for the seats but what can you expect for the money. IMO they spend the money where it counts, its a true enthusiast car.

I too would take the looks of the WRX(the new model) over it especially with the smaller wing, but I've tried both cars back to back and the SRT4 just put a much bigger grin on my face. Its just that fun and responsive.


Plus looks are subjective some people like it some don't.


its still a neon...
and your a stupid coment! in a few months your gonna see everyone coming up here "my neon f*cked up"! yeah, while the 350Z engine will keep the title for the top 10 engines for another year! its been having it for some 10 years now, not really sure. the STi will gladly take a big mean powerful flawless SRT-4 anytime!:) EVO... you wouldnt even wanna go there.... so yes! neon is the bang for the buck. its actually a pretty good car! but its STILL A NEON!! :lol:


First of all what does "your a stupid coment" mean?

Second I though we had a similar discusion in the 300zx vs supra comparo in which you called me out and in the end everyone saw how full of it you are. Do you want to go there again?

I've tried both cars back to back and the SRT4 just put a much bigger grin on my face. Its just that fun and responsive.


thats because they make you keep the WRX on the road when u test drive it :p

thats because they make you keep the WRX on the road when u test drive it :p

True you got me on this one. But they might not have belived me if I would've told them that the mud was OEM and came with the car :uhoh:


Although since I knew the salesman he let me push both quite a bit. So I did had fun with both cars.

True you got me on this one. But they might not have belived me if I would've told them that the mud was OEM and came with the car :uhoh:


Although since I knew the salesman he let me push both quite a bit. So I did had fun with both cars.

dammit it should be OEM... :iceslolan

dammit it should be OEM... :iceslolan


Oh yeah....and can you imagine getting the original JDM mud....talking about high performance.

First of all what does "your a stupid coment" mean?

Second I though we had a similar discusion in the 300zx vs supra comparo in which you called me out and in the end everyone saw how full of it you are. Do you want to go there again?
yes, but this is totally different considering the neon is crap! what makes it better than a 350z?? that its faster?? what else?? dont even come up with this bullshit that "its a very good engine" because its a new engine and just like all other old neons, it will end up messing up! you pay for what you get man...

yes, but this is totally different considering the neon is crap! what makes it better than a 350z?? that its faster?? what else?? dont even come up with this bullshit that "its a very good engine" because its a new engine and just like all other old neons, it will end up messing up! you pay for what you get man...


Ok so you call bull!@# on me again. And on what?

1.I have posted actual proof supporting the SRT4, now i want from you actual evidence that it is crap. Show me actual flaws in the engine design or other proper evidence supporting your point.

2.And you claim that I suposedly said that the SRT4 is better than a 350Z. So now do this: look in this thread and quote me where I actually said that.

Consider these two points pitches. If you don't do what I said in either of them consider them strike outs.

If you miss both you'll or don't reply you'll have one left. And that means you'll call one more member names or call BS on anyone in AF without proper reason and evidence it will be strike 3.


And the funny thing is that i'm one of the 350z's biggest fans, but that doesn not make me love the SRT4 any less and defend it when people put it down for no reason.

Ok so you call bull!@# on me again. And on what?

1.I have posted actual proof supporting the SRT4, now i want from you actual evidence that it is crap. Show me actual flaws in the engine design or other proper evidence supporting your point.

2.And you claim that I suposedly said that the SRT4 is better than a 350Z. So now do this: look in this thread and quote me where I actually said that.

Consider these two points pitches. If you don't do what I said in either of them consider them strike outs.

If you miss both you'll or don't reply you'll have one left. And that means you'll call one more member names or call BS on anyone in AF without proper reason and evidence it will be strike 3.


And the funny thing is that i'm one of the 350z's biggest fans, but that doesn not make me love the SRT4 any less and defend it when people put it down for no reason.
blah!~ you never said the SRT-4 was better than the 350z but still your all upon the neon's D!*K! your over here talking about it like if it was the best thing ever since sliced bread... its a friggin neon!!
now my evidence of the VQ flawlessness...http://www.autoprices.com/apps/news/FullStory.asp?id=3270&frame= need anymore evidence Mr. Smartass?? now let me see something like this about a neon?? :nono: dont think so... as i said before...until ive seen that engine 10 years from now still being the Sh!t, i wont atop saying its POS.

blah!~ you never said the SRT-4 was better than the 350z but still your all upon the neon's D!*K! your over here talking about it like if it was the best thing ever since sliced bread... its a friggin neon!!
now my evidence of the VQ flawlessness...http://www.autoprices.com/apps/news/FullStory.asp?id=3270&frame= need anymore evidence Mr. Smartass?? now let me see something like this about a neon?? :nono: dont think so... as i said before...until ive seen that engine 10 years from now still being the Sh!t, i wont atop saying its POS.


So i'm a D#$ now and a smartass? Fine.

Strike 3

Bit of advice: Do not continue to insult a moderator after repeated warnings!!!

Benched for a week.

well done nutrino i think ur opinion is well better said then that other guy

What are we comapring, speed, acceleration, looks, performance, efficiency, reliability? I think that should be answered before anyone can compare any cars...

all
everything over all

Anyway back to the comparo:

Each car has different things going for it:

the 350Z will have the most style and luxury, and its RWD setup give it perhaps the most fun factor, but it should be the most expensive to mod

the srt4 is the best bang for the buck and cheapest to mod, but the interior is not the best

the evo and the srt shoud be the fastest out of the box, have rather practical AWD layout, and should be also rather cheap to mod

i would rank them

1. evo8
2. sti
3. 350z
4. srt4

i have to say that the sti and evo are pretty close and im sure that they could switch back and forth.... but it really is just and opinion so i dont wanna argue w/ anyone

Each one of these cars has their pros and cons. They are all good cars, but I have to agree with Neutrino here. I get sick and tired of people saying that the SRT-4 is "just a Neon." By that logic I can say that the Evolution is just a Lancer or the WRX STi is just an Impreza. All three cars have humble roots, but the Neon is by no means a slouch. The SRT-4 on the other hand, much like the Evolution and WRX STi, shares very little with its economy driven counterpart, just a few interior pieces and very little sheet metal. Everything else is different. The SRT-4 has a different chassis, which is much stiffer than a regular Neon. The engine is very strong and can handle gobs of power on the stock internals. Just remember that Chrysler has been turbo-charging cars longer than Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Subaru, they know how to do it right. Chrysler is known for building overly strong bottom ends. Granted some of the Neons had head gasket problems, but that is a cheap and easy fix. Enough of my ranting, I'll let you know what I think of each of these cars.

1. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8:

For $30,000 I don't think you can buy a better sporty car. I think that it looks better than the WRX STi; it is proven that it is a better handling car, and has very similar straight-line performance. It comes with some very nice equipment and I love the Recaro seats. My only complaint is the gauge cluster. There are some great tuners behind this car with great aftermarket support and it has a rock solid engine. I couldn't think of a better sports car for the price point.

2. Dodge SRT-4:

The same can really be said for the SRT-4. It is the best bang for your buck. For $20,000 you get a car with a rock solid drivetrain, a Quafie LSD, over 230 HP to the front wheels, 13.7 in the 1/4 mile, and factory stage upgrade kits for the suspension and engine that keep your factory warranty. This car takes very well to mods, and with factory support you can't loose. They can make parts far better than and aftermarket manufacture. The car has a very fat powerband and is very responsive in handling. It also stops very well. It, by all means, is an enthusiast’s car. Call me crazy but I think that the SRT-4 is very good looking car and I went crazy when I saw what Sport Compact Car did to their project SRT-4 with the AAR paint job. Of the cars on the list the SRT-4 is the one I would buy.

3. Nissan Fairlady 350 Zedd:

What a great looking car. It has a great eninge with great potential with the Nismo Twin Turbo kit. However; with the bang for the buck that you get from the SRT-4 and the Evolution I can't see myself paying that much for a Fairlady.

4. Subaru Impreza WRX STi:

This is the car I am least impressed with of the list. It doesn't handle as well as the Evolution, and doesn't really out perform it. It isn't much faster than the SRT-4 and with the stage kits you will spend less money and have a much faster car. It also doesn't look half as good as the Fairlady or have half the potential. I would not buy an STi period, the other three I would be happy to own.

Just remember that this is simply my opinion, some of the things I said are objective. Take what you want from it, but know this, I am not trying to flame any of these cars.

hi people, im new to this forums*cough-no im not-cough* i would have to say the best would be the 350Z! i think it look so awsome and it performs well. 2nd would have to be the evo. it just performs like no other! 3rd i would say the STi. they just perform almost as well as the evo, but is also great! last, would have to be the dodge neon SRT-4! this car has been around for years and has proven to last forever! but still, its not my kind~ peace!

i would rank them

1. evo8
2. sti
3. 350z
4. srt4

i have to say that the sti and evo are pretty close and im sure that they could switch back and forth.... but it really is just and opinion so i dont wanna argue w/ anyone

and this is my order exactly :iagree: . evo-8 i like the looks better and the history behind it. sti, very similar just like the looks on the evo-8 better. 350z i like the enterior speed is nice but not as nice as the evo-8 or sti but it looks better inside. srt-4 fast could possibly beat a 350z, interior not so good but cheaper than all and with 10grand i can upgrade the seats and interior and speed and then we'll talk.

srt-4 fast could possibly beat a 350z, interior not so good but cheaper than all and with 10grand i can upgrade the seats and interior and speed and then we'll talk.


the funny thing about the srt4 viper seats is that they either fit you like a glove or not at all.
For example polygon finds them perfect while they poke me in the shoulders.

They are not recaro's though, I just love sitting in evos, the seats are simply amazing. Subaru really should have chosen a famous seat brand too because they are rubbish compared to the evo's recaro.

i agree with you all on that the neon has a lot of bang for the buck (c'mon now, its an american car), and yes, and it is very fast, but its headlights are goofy looking and it has a really goofy stance imo. maybe if the exterior is changed, i would reconsider my impression of the srt-4. also, i got to sit in a srt-4 at the kansas city autoshow, and for some reason it just didn't feel right.

Well having not read anything in the thread.........

1. STi- If I'm right you get a 2.5 biturbo in the States- yeah, number 1.

2. 350Z- RWD, perfect size for racing and well yeah, brilliant car.

3. Evo 8- crappy USM model which is really an Evo 5

4. SRT4- FWD- too much counting against it on that basis - not that it's in anyway a bad car

Well having not read anything in the thread.........

1. STi- If I'm right you get a 2.5 biturbo in the States- yeah, number 1.

2. 350Z- RWD, perfect size for racing and well yeah, brilliant car.

3. Evo 8- crappy USM model which is really an Evo 5

4. SRT4- FWD- too much counting against it on that basis - not that it's in anyway a bad car


The Sti is actually single turbo, and the USDM Evo is not as bad as is sounds, in 99% of tests it beats the USDM Sti on a road course despite its power disadvantage and the lack of an active diff.

Plus the rumor goes that the US will receive the MR model too with all the bells and whistles except AYC.

The Sti is actually single turbo, and the USDM Evo is not as bad as is sounds, in 99% of tests it beats the USDM Sti on a road course despite its power disadvantage and the lack of an active diff.

Plus the rumor goes that the US will receive the MR model too with all the bells and whistles except AYC.
hhhhmmmppphhh, a wasted oppurtunity, the 2.5 motor would work better with two snails than the 2.0 (In the Legacy RSK/GTB) shows you how little Motor Trend and Car and Driver I've been reading recenty, huh :p

The Active Diff, however is probably one of the Star attractions to the Evo VIII, probably one of the only reasons I'd buy an Evo (Though Evo's are well geared for dragging, for people who get off on that............)

hhhhmmmppphhh, a wasted oppurtunity, the 2.5 motor would work better with two snails than the 2.0 (In the Legacy RSK/GTB) shows you how little Motor Trend and Car and Driver I've been reading recenty, huh :p

The Active Diff, however is probably one of the Star attractions to the Evo VIII, probably one of the only reasons I'd buy an Evo (Though Evo's are well geared for dragging, for people who get off on that............)


That is true a TT Sti would've been very interesting to say the least, easy to set up too since a boxter is basically a 180 V4. But they probably considered it too expensive.

And as I said its rumored than the USDM MR Evo will have the active center diff (only AYC wil be missing wich I don't care that much about anyway). And check this out: It might be priced at only $33K :eek: If that is the case i would very seriously consider it.

1. evo 8
2. srt4
3. WRX
4. 350z

first of all the evo8 just impresses me all around..it has everything i like in a car and it would suit me best. 4 doors. good performance and AWD makes it good for summer and winter...it's kind of like a car that in the day it's a grocery getter but by night it becomes a street demon..that's how i like to think of it. my opinion on the srt4 drastically changed from when it first came out...at first glance it was just another neon..but then after i tried to race with a few on the road and saw how fast they just take off..i seriously considered checking one out. the wrx is close to the evo8 but in my opinion the evo8 just has something the WRX doesn't have. and my least favorite is the 350Z..it's a nice looking car. it performs. but it just wouldn't be practical for me. so that makes it the least appealing. i hope my comment helped you.

seems to me that the evo's ACD is just bascially the same as the STI DCCD with less control input from the driver...and why AYC may not seem all THAT great on paper its still one of the only things that the newer EVO's (VII and VIII) got going for it over the competition so to leave it out of the MR is pretty mind boggling to me...
for 33K id still stick with the STI.. and not because i own a subaru as i would gladly ditch it for an EVO VI TME, but because it still seems like mistu's playing catch up rather then taking the lead, though they are gaining quickly

seems to me that the evo's ACD is just bascially the same as the STI DCCD with less control input from the driver...and why AYC may not seem all THAT great on paper its still one of the only things that the newer EVO's (VII and VIII) got going for it over the competition so to leave it out of the MR is pretty mind boggling to me...
for 33K id still stick with the STI.. and not because i own a subaru as i would gladly ditch it for an EVO VI TME, but because it still seems like mistu's playing catch up rather then taking the lead, though they are gaining quickly


Well only the USDM MR will not have the AYC the rest of the world still gets it. But IMO good riddance, I'm not the biggest fan of atitude control devices on cars, I prefer to control that myself.

And on road courses even the stock EVO is more than a match the STI so I would not really say that the EVO's are playing catch up. It seems like subaru tuned the stock suspension a bit too soft on the STI.

lol nah they (subaru) just seemed to focus more on building an offroad truely "rally inspired" car rather then an eclispe on steroids
that touchy of handling is great on the track but i like a little more slop when in the dirt... the USDM evo handling is a little too sensitive for the dirt.. the AYC is suppose to balance that out but uh oh... they didnt put it in there..

oh dont bother with the "yeah whos actually going to take their cars offroad" just cause most people are pusses with their cars doesnt change what these cars were designed to do :P

I don't know why the SRT-4 is even in this comparison. It's matched up against cars that cost $10,000 dollars more, so of course it's not going to be as refined as the other three. In my humble opinion, it's a toss up between the STI and the EVO-8, and I'd rather take a G35 over the 350Z. Just my two pennies...

The STi's ride, at least the USDM version is VERY gushy compared to the Evo 8. Subaru sacrificed performance for better "on road" comfort. Period. "rally inspired" is just an easy way to get off charging 33k for a car without a stereo and other amenities, like actually good seats.

Rally inspired, on the other hand, for the Evo is true enough. The MR will be quite the car Im thinking, and for the money I believe it will blow what Subaru has to offer out of the water.

The STi's ride, at least the USDM version is VERY gushy compared to the Evo 8. Subaru sacrificed performance for better "on road" comfort. Period. "rally inspired" is just an easy way to get off charging 33k for a car without a stereo and other amenities, like actually good seats.

Rally inspired, on the other hand, for the Evo is true enough. The MR will be quite the car Im thinking, and for the money I believe it will blow what Subaru has to offer out of the water.

i dont think either car has ever blown the other out of the water.. or ever will... mitsu comes out with the MR, subaru will just counter with something else, i just hope that something else is the prodrive STI... that would be nice...

i dont think either car has ever blown the other out of the water.. or ever will... mitsu comes out with the MR, subaru will just counter with something else, i just hope that something else is the prodrive STI... that would be nice...


well the prodrive STI is an aftermarket version. The direct competition for the MR is the STI spec-c

1) WRX Sti. My friend who owns a sti and seriously considered buying an evo said the sti was faster and better handiling and i think it looks better.
2)evo
3)str-4
im not going to include the 350z because i know absolutely nothing about it and i dont have the time to look it up right now im sure its a great car though but i dont like the looks that much i just dont think it suits the type of car it is.

well the prodrive STI is an aftermarket version. The direct competition for the MR is the STI spec-c

yeah but prodrive is trying to get dealerships to sell them with handy things like warranties and such

the MR is suppose compete with the STI's leaner meaner brother? :grinno: ... hopefully this will force subaru to put its pseudo group N rally car in some american showrooms though i dont see it happening...

the new US STI will have some revisions though a new steering rack (hopefully a 13.0:1 ratio as well) and suspension changes, new aero underbody covers, a new front LSD and a yaw sensor for the DCCD system...

yeah but prodrive is trying to get dealerships to sell them with handy things like warranties and such

the MR is suppose compete with the STI's leaner meaner brother? :grinno: ... hopefully this will force subaru to put its pseudo group N rally car in some american showrooms though i dont see it happening...

the new US STI will have some revisions though a new steering rack (hopefully a 13.0:1 ratio as well) and suspension changes, new aero underbody covers, a new front LSD and a yaw sensor for the DCCD system...


yeah the prodrive wrx are awesome I was just being picky about comparing factory models to factory

and the MR is the leaner meaner brother of the EVO so its the equivalent of a spec-c


should be interesting to see the revised sti though. And a 13:1 steering ration would be very nice