Have a look here:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31004&highlight=brand

and for the new official brochure (read it carefully, its good with alot of technical specs):

http://www.koenigsegg.com/pdf/Bros2004.pdf

Undoubtly it will be alot faster than a Pagani Zonda S, but how would it stack up against the "king"?

Jeremy Clarkson said:

"It's the fastest car we've ever tested"

"It is my favourite supercar! You just want more and more."

and he has driven the McLaren F1...

I like the colour of the CCR as well as the XP003 names on the prototypes:

http://www.vonkoenigsegg.com/images/9.jpg

Rings a bell :loser:

clarkson didn't like the mclaren before. I'll wait to see what tiff says

Awesome in every way except:
Supercharger whine
Only two seats
Much less storage than F1

Maybe the new one, CC-R, is an improvement.

1) It's ugly
2) It will never go as fast as thay claim it will (and even if it does, the Dauer 962 will still be faster)
3) Supercharged Ford V8 in a supercar? A bit too american for my taste...
4) It's not fully type-approved in the EU like the F1

If I had the money to even consider buying anything that expensive, I'd go for the Zonda or Edonis

i agree with the above, but would like to add that will never sell becuase:

rich person phones showroom
"hi, i'd like to buy a car please"

person in showroom
"what are you interested in?

rich person
"i'd like to buy one of them.. urm.. konig.. konago..koningoosoo.. oh forget it!"

rich person hangs up

:iceslolan

OK,

this surprises me:

"It's not fully type-approved in the EU like the F1!"

since it's built in the EU. Can you elaborate on this?

Also, the first testdriver who will drive the CC-R will be just Tiff.

Less storage and only two seats is a good point, but hey it's a supercar :loser:

Apparantly it have been tested at Nardo at 390 km/h and is the fastest road going now according to Guiness Bopok of Records. The CC-R will do over 400 km/h.

Spare the "ugly" and "strange name" comments please, Im curious what the performance would be :uhoh: :iceslolan

Also when you see one in real life it looks alot better, esp. the CC-R with other headlights.

the countries in the eu have individual vehicle approval regulations, so a vehicle that has been approved in sweden doesn't necessarily have to be road legal in e.g. poland or spain. germany's tüv and the uk's dvla are the most liberal vehicle authorities in europe concerning road cars.

the "normal" cc8s passed the mandatory crash test, so it should be approved in the eu soon (if it hasn't already been - the last statement I heard concerning the issue was about a month ago), and since the cc8 and cc-r more or less share the same chassis, the cc-r should pass too.

concerning meassured speeds: as long as thay're unofficial, they're worthless. the last official speeds I've heard form königsegg are from 2002, when a prototype did 365km/h at nardo.

It seems that as the name suggests, this car is going to be the koenig, or king. In my opinion it's kind of a strange vehicle. It's kind of got the "i'm not sure if i like it" look, like on the enzo. Definitely will not be a better drivers car than the F1, no matter how fast the top speed.

drphipes: Interesting. I wonder when it will be EC-certified? How do you know it is not?

I agree on the 365 km/h limit and I hope the CC-R would brake the 400 km/h limit. We'll see.

The Dauer 962 LeMans did that:

http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/germany2/mpowertrip2001-3.htm

1) It's ugly

If I had the money to even consider buying anything that expensive, I'd go for the Zonda or Edonis

you'd buy a edonis instead of a CCR,wow, you say the CCR is ugly, have you seen the Edonis????

The Edonis :lol2: ...

Yeah, the Edonis is umm..."quite the looker" :lol: The CCR's looks will probably just grow on me like the Enzo.

Power to weight ratio:

Best highest:

Koenigsegg CC-R (1,45 kg/HP)

McLaren F1 (1,75 kg/HP)

Zonda S (2,3 kg/HP)

power/weight doesnt make a top speed record holder. if it did, the Veyron would be a success.

i think its a great looking car.. personally i like the cc8s lights more than the ccr

the edonis is sooooooooo ugly.. i cant believe you said that it is better then the ccr

People here might know quite a bit about the McLaren, but it's mostly book knowledge. In no way does that make anyone qualified to comment on the CCR or to compare the two cars.

Unless you are talking about published numbers (debatable) or aesthetic appeal (subjective).

...which is exactly the reasons I stay out of these type of threads.

I will say that I'm a huge fan of most exotic cars. The McLaren, however, holds a very special place at the top of my list. I really don't think anyone will ever develop a car to dethrone the F1 in my eyes.

But who really cares what I think. :grinno:

>8^)
ER

I think its a question of if you "get" the F1 or not.

The numbers speak for themselves at present but it is inevitable that they will be surpassed, although probably not all by one car. They then become irrelevant (top speed of the Daytona anyone?). What remains is an appreciation of the car from 2 points of view. One is objective - the process that was the development of the F1 and the reasons why it won't happen like this again. The other is purely subjective - damn that's a nice car!

The simple fact is that the F1 will never be "beaten" in my eyes because I look at it as a piece of automotive art (conceptual rather than pretty). Will the Mona Lisa ever be beaten?

Having said all that, the Koenigsegg is certainly a fine achievement. I wish them well in realising all they set out to do.

P.S. They don't stand a chance ;)

First of all, you can't say anything wrong about the Dodge Daytona. It's a great car!

Secondly, the real Mona Lisa was beaten. With the ugly stick. Repeatedly.

First of all, you can't say anything wrong about the Dodge Daytona. It's a great car!

Secondly, the real Mona Lisa was beaten. With the ugly stick. Repeatedly.

My point refered to the Ferrari Daytona and it being the fastest production car for a while (my guess is that you were being facetious, so this is more for the benefit of everyone else on the forum!)

I picked the Mona Lisa cause it's something everyone has heard of, there are much better art comparisons out there. The best example of anything else I can find to compare the F1 to is probably Concorde. Very few things are created not for making money but just to show they can be done. At least it seems that the F1 will live long enough to face its successors.

Mind you, you could be onto something about being beaten with a stick. Maybe it explains that wry smile of hers. Maybe she liked it ;)

i think maybe you missed what he said about that stick...... he said "the ugly stick", not any stick ;)

Well here eyes are sposed to look at you whatever the angle.... She must like it;)
I also agree...faster doesn't always mean better. The unique aspects of the F1 appeal to me.

-Mike:aus:
+a5678 about the private msg, my avatar is from a random website I came across about new pics of XP5. I think the full size one is only a tiny bit bigger than my avatar. Very dissapointing.
Thought I'd kill two birds with one stone.

Talkin about red McLarens, has anyone got the pic of Masons F1 from the rear on the track without the transparent "evo" in the centre?
Much appreciated.

Oh ok...........darn it. Anywho it would be nice if someone finds a large pic of your avatar. It looks like one badass picture. I'm hoping SOMEONE either has it or finds it. :D

Not to drag this too far Off Topic, but I have his avatar at 400x300. That's the largest resolution I've seen, though the shot does come from an AutoCar magazine article on the F1 so it is possible someone could scan it to a larger resolution. I'll post the 400x300 version later.

EDIT: Found it in another thread:

http://carroonline.terra.com.br/fotos2/ap_mclaren_400_01.jpg

And the article it came from which needs translation.

http://carroonline.terra.com.br/melhores_mundo_mclaren_f1.htm

>8^)
ER

You are THE MAN !!! Awesome.

Edit: To translate, go to http://babelfish.altavista.com and translate the website from Portuguese to English.

yeah thats the place I found it... typed in "maclaren" in google search engine..

-Mike:aus:

First Koeniogsegg delivered to US customer:

http://www.billetdesign.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1410

cool, thanks for the info...
Nice car, exaggerated rims though...
Can't deny that they are the coolest doors in town..

-Mike:aus:

Think its quick do you? Check out the new Aussie supercar JOSS!!! 0 - 100 under 4sec!!

uh, that's 0 - 100 km/h........... which is roughly the same as 0 - 60 mph.
And, in case you haven't paid any attention to other new sports cars, Car and Driver magazine tested the new Forg GT with a 0 - 60 mph time of 3.3 seconds.

Can you buy one for $200,000 us? Do they weigh more than 960kgs? Interesting all the same, Ill check it out! Thanks!

I believe the Ford GT will be roughly $150,000 and it does weigh quite a bit, 3,429 lbs or 1555 kgs. Which begs the question, how can a 3429 lb car with 500 hp go 0 - 60 mph in 3.3 seconds ? I guess you'll have to take into consideration several factors when dealing with different acceleration tests, especially since the Car and Driver test is the only official one done on the Ford GT.

They have probably put all the weight over the back wheels to get traction considering they are only rwd. That would have to make them the all time fastest 0-100kph rwd supercar!?!?

the ford has a very driveable engine, with lots of torque low down, so with the wide rear tires, it's very fast off the line. The Koenigsegg has far more power than the rear wheels can handle, so you have to be very docile with the throttle. But for a 0-100 kph sprint, power rarely is the major factor, it's all about grip, grip, grip, because most 500 bhp sportscars can get the rear wheels to spin below 100 kph. For the Ford i heard it indeed did it in 3.3, and the koenigsegg number varies, but between 3.0 and 3.5, should be mclaren figures as well.

and fyi, i remember to have read the ford had 550 bhp.

I believe the initial rating for the Ford GT was 500 hp, but that they recently changed it to 550. Anywho, thanks for the explanation. It makes sense that weight on the rear wheels and the right amount of power plus wide tires determine off the line acceleration.

Who said it didnt look good. Here a registred one fuels up in Flordia:

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1111682#post1111682

:useless:

Absolutely sick car mate, brilliant pics, love seeing it amongst nature. Havent seen one in the flesh yet, I got my lottery numbers in every week though!!!!

im starting to take a liking to the CCR, although I find the front a little plain, my two cents..
-Mike:aus:

That is actually the slower version pictured, the CC8S.

Wow, I never noticed how wide the Koenigsegg was before. Those pics are great. IMO, i think the CC8S looks better than the CCR.

Still, neither can even compare to an F1

Has anyone here seen Gumball the movie? The guy driving the Koenigsegg dosen’t give an overly convincing claim that he reached over 240mph. The CC has the ability to record a top speed and display it on a digital read out. (The one on top gear did anyway) but that wasn't shown. So there was no proof to the claim.

Here's the problem: Speedometers lie

Generally, the faster you go the less accurate they can be too.

Until some of these other cars participate in an independently verified top speed test, be it with a magazine or on their own like McLaren Cars chose to do at Ehra Leissen, then all they can do is claim to be faster.

Personally, I think if the CC8 or CC8S were truly faster than the F1, there would have never been a CCR. The CCR is probably one of the first offerings that can truly challenge the F1s speed record. Even if it does eclipse the F1, it won't change my own opinions of either car.

>8^)
ER

EDIT: ...not that it matters what I think. ;)