Simple story, i was side by side with a celica, my car is completely stock, the celica i think just had an exhaust, we both dropped it, i put it into second gear and i pulled away and never looked back!!

what year gts?

2002 i think

how long did you race ?? i wouldve liked to have seen this , i like rather evenly matched races ... is your lude an si or sh ?? I have been wanting to run a lude and a gts for a while ....nice kill

I got 1995 prelude srv in canada, in the us i think its just called a prelude vtec, the race was for like 20 secs id say, then he gave up.

cool cool not surprized to hear you won though but all good

i am ....u know if the celica had vvtl-i or not?

vvtl-i on a celica isnt going to save it from a lude with vtec , it kicks in alot harder ... my g/f drives a celica with vvtl-i and it is weak compared to my gsr's vtec !!

yeah...but a 2k2 gts celica with vvtl-i would killa that preleuded..... ive put a vtec preleude in its place... im admitting he probly shoulda won but that race came down to the driver n he obviously didnt know when or how to shift

save it bro, im biased but like the (somewhat uninformed) gentleman said before, i dont think that vvtl-i is gonna save the celica this time

i've said it once and i'll say it again, i'm not impressed by the gt-s's

save it bro, im biased but like the (somewhat uninformed) gentleman said before, i dont think that vvtl-i is gonna save the celica this time

impossible...my celica beats vtec preleude and a gts with vvtl-i beats mine so no way its gunna lose to a vtec unlesss he slipped a gear or sumthin

i agree. celicas can be bad mofos


p.s. im not saying you didnt win, cause i beat a few when i had my Si, but they dont fuck around.

i agree. celicas can be bad mofos


p.s. im not saying you didnt win, cause i beat a few when i had my Si, but they dont fuck around.

nor am i i dont doubt him at all im just sayin if a 95 stock v-tec preleude raced a 2k2 vvtl-i celica...the celica shoulda ran circles around it

just the vvti is better than the v-tec but VVTL-I beats the shit outta it

(there is a diff Variable valve train with intelligence, and theres Variable valve train with lift intelligence)

i am biased towards hondas....but, sorry the celica is the faster car. hey, it could have been the driver.

only because the prelude is heavy.
i love toyotas, but for the money i wouldn't buy a celica gt-s

how much does weight play a role in here? 4th gen
vtec = 190hp, 158tq, ~2900lbs
celica = 180hp, 130tq, ~2500 lbs, the hp and tq should i gues make up for most of the weight difference, so i woudlnt say itd be beat that bad, im just wondering what your reasoning is, im not trying to flame or start a fight.

It's roughly even. The weight difference would account for a few tenths of a second in quarter mile, but the 10 extra horses will pull the Prelude through (and even slightly ahead).

do you people realize how inconsequential 10hp is? pull it through and slightly ahead? :rofl: :rofl:

do you people realize how inconsequential 10hp is? pull it through and slightly ahead? :rofl: :rofl:

No, I don't. Please enlighten me.

10HP is the difference between several tenths of a second in a 1/4, which is roughly the same as a drop of several hundred pounds. It is of consequence to some people, sorry.

Maybe you and your piece of shit Si can't take a GTS, but a Prelude VTEC can.

No, I don't. Please enlighten me.

10HP is the difference between several tenths of a second in a 1/4, which is roughly the same as a drop of several hundred pounds. It is of consequence to some people, sorry.

Maybe you and your piece of shit Si can't take a GTS, but a Prelude VTEC can.


i walked many GTS celicas, and preludes when i had the Si(past tense) for that matter. not to say i havent lost to both as well. 10hp= several tenths? dont think so. a 10 flywheel horsepower difference between two cars is minimal. especially when theres a weight difference of several hundred pounds. 100 pounds is about 1 tenth of a second.


lets look at this with the numbers posted above. 400 pounds is about 4 tenths disadvantage. do you honestly think a 10 flywheel horsepower advantage can make a car weighing 400 pounds more catch up and win?


edit: if i were you id argue the torque difference in the lude more than the hp.

vvtl-i is by far weak i felt it harder than a del sol with a gsr swap

if you get a driver in the celicas they are fast little fukers, but you really need to have a good driver in there

lets stop the fighting over vvtl-i and vtec they both are great in their own way

good kill....

vvtl-i is by far weak i felt it harder than a del sol with a gsr swap

if you get a driver in the celicas they are fast little fukers, but you really need to have a good driver in there

lets stop the fighting over vvtl-i and vtec they both are great in their own way

good kill....


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Tell me then, if your puny Si can 'walk' a GTS, then why not a VTEC, which is clearly superior in every way.

You fail to take torque into consideration. A car with greater torque will get the better launch. You are correct about 400 lbs being 4 tenths of a second, but what does that matter? It's just saying that if the Celica WAS 400lbs heavier, it would be half a second slower that it was in its form right now.

My point is, its a CLOSE race. But near the end, the Celica will start to fall behind.

look i never said it wasnt possible. you just made it sound like the extra 10hp made all the difference when theres a lot more to it than that. and why do you keep making attacks on the car i USED to drive? its not that serious. i never attacked your car personally. how old are you btw?

Shoulda would coulda didn't, i live in canada, my lude has an h22a with 205hp and 155 tq, gts/vvti would not come close to touching my lude!! give it up already

So many replies i like this lol, p.s. any celica would never touch my lude in 0-60 or 1/4mile never!!!!!

i know of quite a few that might make you eat those words. like my friends early 90s alltrac turbo. or my other buddies turbo GTS. i know youre probably talking stock vs. stock, but even then, the alltrac would give you a good run :up:

ya its all stock vs stock, if i put a turbo on my lude, i would blow the car away!

if i had a turbo, i would make ur friends swallow those words !

if i had a turbo, i would make ur friends swallow those words(dont take it seriously, its all in good fun:))

wow yeah mabe the V-tec compares to VVti but not even close to the VVTL-i
yes there is a difference, vvti stands for variable valve train with intelligence, what comes standard in most GTS celicas

VVTL-i is variable valve train with lift intelligence, it the gts had VVTL-i instead of VVTI i would bet $100,000,000 that it woulda killed ur preleude, its nearly a $5000 in price difference in the Gts

n by the way a 90 all track turbo would smoke the shit outta ur leuded, i take on v-tec's (not alwys winning) all the time but have never even come close to touching an alltrack

wow yeah mabe the V-tec compares to VVti but not even close to the VVTL-i
yes there is a difference, vvti stands for variable valve train with intelligence, what comes standard in most GTS celicas

VVTL-i is variable valve train with lift intelligence, it the gts had VVTL-i instead of VVTI i would bet $100,000,000 that it woulda killed ur preleude, its nearly a $5000 in price difference in the Gts

n by the way a 90 all track turbo would smoke the shit outta ur leuded, i take on v-tec's (not alwys winning) all the time but have never even come close to touching an alltrack


yeah my buddies is sweet. all white with white rally OZs, and a bunch of TRD shit. fucker hauls too

Psst...

The Celica All-Trac weighs 3272 lbs and does 200hp @ 6k rpm. Reread the Prelude VTEC specs again. "10hp is inconsequential"

Psst...

The Celica All-Trac weighs 3272 lbs and does 200hp @ 6k rpm. Reread the Prelude VTEC specs again.

actually ppssst know what ur talking about be4 u say it... yeah an 89 all track has 200 hp but the gt4 has 260 hp so how bout u know what ur talking about b3say it

not to mention the carlos saniez edition of gt4

vvti, vvtl it would still get smoked by a lude neday
just admit the fact that celica are slower than ludes, look at the 0-60 and 1/4 mile, i bet 2 million
a celica will never beat a prelude

I thought we WERE comparing the AllTrac against the Prelude. Where'd the GT-Four come from?

thats what i thought

I thought we WERE comparing the AllTrac against the Prelude. Where'd the GT-Four come from?

cuz a gt-4 is all track in GB... besides a 90 all track in america has 220 hp neway not 200, plus its allwheel drive...way better take off....

how bout u guys stop speculation and we actualyl see a race

The All-Trac Celicas don't get 225hp until the +94 models.

I agree on the speculation part, but I hate seeing Preludes being played down like that.

Guys. 2000+ Celica GT-S vs 4th-Gen Prelude VTEC is a driver's race: http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=260&ID2=216


Check the comparative acceleration chart for each speed increment.

It seems the Preludes higher TQ pulls it off the line first, despite its weight, and the Celica GT-S pulls on the Prelude at middle-speed, with the Prelude claiming a top-end victory.

This would explain the Celica owner's claims of beating Prelude's as most street-racing is done in this middle range, but according to the stats I just put up, it's too close to tell.

Lastly, play nice, or find another thread to crap on.

i dont have a 4th gen prelude motor, i got a 5th gen motor that came from japan, what is wrong with you people, beside the other driver and i both dropped it into gear, it was a rolling start, how is that a drivers race????

Psst...

The Celica All-Trac weighs 3272 lbs and does 200hp @ 6k rpm. Reread the Prelude VTEC specs again. "10hp is inconsequential"


not the one im referring to ;)

i dont have a 4th gen prelude motor, i got a 5th gen motor that came from japan, what is wrong with you people, beside the other driver and i both dropped it into gear, it was a rolling start, how is that a drivers race????

You referring to me? What did that have to do with my post? Did I post something about "a JDM H22 4th gen Prelude vs a stock Celica GT-S"?

Don't start with me about the rolling start = less driver's race BS. NASCAR is basically a rolling [freeway] race, and obviously, the better drivers get ahead. And that's with the sequential gearbox they use, as opposed a regular 5/6-spd, which depends on the driver's speed in shifting.

Done bitching?

<sigh>

oh man, i give up with you people, think whatever u will im just stating my opinions, and that i beat the celica hands down

i believe you

Honestly I would have to give it to the celica here... I love ludes and all but a 95 vs maybe a 91 gt-s then yeah a definite domination by the lude, but the 2002's have some balls compared to their older versions.

Anyway we have already had a thread war over a gs-r vs a lude and a gs-r vs a gt-s... remember... and i believe the general concensus was that the gs-r is about even with the lude with the lude having slightly better high end. and we all agreed that the gt-s would stomp a 3rd gen gs-r... I hope I'm not the only one remembering this. anyway sooooo if a lude is only slightly faster than a gs-r and a gt-s will eat a gs-r then you do the math.


anyway like I said in another thread srvboy your lude is probably only about a 15.1 second car ( correct me if you have a slip or something).... and the gt-s is in my experience about dead even if not quicker than that

factory estimated time's

celica gt-s 15.2
prelude vtec 14.9 (that's a 4th gen 190hp)

srv-boy CLAIMS he has 205 hp from his "japan" motor. but we all know it only has 200 hp. and that extra 10 prolly gives him a better time than 14.9 in a 4th gen.

ive seen stock GT-Ss run 14.8

ive also seen stock ludes hit 14s too. theyre pretty evenly matched cars

Funny how people talk about stuff they dont even own, most of u dont even have a lude let alone an h22a engine, yet u all seem to think you know a lot about it, but prolly by reading on websites and stuff

Funny how people talk about stuff they dont even own, most of u dont even have a lude let alone an h22a engine, yet u all seem to think you know a lot about it, but prolly by reading on websites and stuff



refer to my post in the mustang thread.


p.s. you dont have to own a car to be familiar with it

a 205 hp h22a doesn't exsist. plain and simple.

ok with a k&n yes it does. simple and plain

Somebody ban SRV Boy.

and plz, close this thread.

its a shame to both prelude and celica owners.

haha, stupid u know im right numnuts, you dont know it all like u think u do

I find it funny that all of you people claim to know more about my car and engine then I do, especially when most of you don't even own this car, yet when i post a question about putting a turbo on, or a question related towards engine and tranny, ur smart ass, know it all comments are nowhere to be found!!!

its just that you act like your prelude is the be all end all of automotive performance, when really, its heavy, outdated, and underpowered by todays standards

and what do u drive?? and thats not the point i was making by the way kid

205 hp is outdated by todays standards?? wow u must be rich and driving a ferrari or something

yes, when for less money (sticker price) you can have close to 240 at the wheels in a NEON. dont make me go into wrxs, RSX type S, Mustang GTs, that ALL have sticker prices comparable to what yours cost 10 YEARS AGO (outdated)

and to answer your question, i drive both of the volkswagens in the list that i posted earlier

why would you wanna buy a neon? rsx s is more or much as a prelude, a brand new prelude back in 2001 was going for $35,000

I bought my car for 10,000 with 130k, its a 1995.

35 k for a prelude? doubtful. And if it did cost 35 thousand dollars in 95, that makes for even less of a case for you when for 30k you can have your choice of a lancer evo (270hp awd) a subaru STi (300hp awd) or even a GTI R32 (240hp awd) why would i want to buy a neon? for 240hp for 19 thousand dollars. An RSX S stickers around 24 along with the base WRX (227hp awd) which is a steal if people were paying 35 for 200hp in 1995. you need to lose the "my shit dont stink attitude" about your car. while it may be nice, its still a 1995 prelude.

AND VERY OUTDATED

a mustang is 40,000 but its a ford, u can't compare an ford to honda, honda is way better than ford in terms of quality, engine handling and resale value, subarus are way more expensive than preludes, a vw golf/jetta is overpriced and outdated if u ask me

40 thousand for a mustang? are you serious? a GT with 260hp was around 24 last year. 390hp cobras went for 35. subarus go for 24. do some research and quit making up insane numbers.

as for my car being outdated, you may be right. but im not running around talking it up am i? a 400 dollar header in your car will net maybe 5 hp at the wheels. a 400 dollar chip in my car will set me at a final product of about 200hp at the wheels and 230 pounds of torque, and how is my 4 year old car with 30 thousand miles on it more outdated than your 10yr old car with well over 100k on the odometer? be realistic.

These are in canadian prices, "underpowered" as you say.

Your car can't beat mine stock for stock, i will blow ur car away anyday

when did i ever say that i could? like i said. lose the attitude that your car is the best thing out there.

lol, my car is the greatest thing out there. and it is not underpowered !!! lol

hahaha

205 hp is outdated by todays standards?? wow u must be rich and driving a ferrari or something

as much as i love my lude. He's right. 205hp is outdated by todays standards.