It has been argued before.... when the Z32 came out it overshadowed the R33 SKYLINE for some time. The Z32 competed in various races and won many!
So why do people look down on the Z32 and praise the SKYLINE so? I think the TT FAIRLADY put out more HP than the stock SKYLINE ever did... let me know what you guys think!

I could really go off here... Ask RIZ Z SPEED... Or 91ZXTT from Zdriver.com... I live and breathe Skylines... Not kidding you, haha. But 300ZX is nicer looking. Ill give them that. But RB would dominate VG anyday, any mod, anywhere. But since im trying to not start a shit slinging contest here, i'll stay outta this thread. Riz knows what happened last time. *cough* banned *cough* haha. Peace foo's :p

O and one more thing... I have one video that tells the tale... Godzilla, vs TT 2seater. Godzilla... 10.4... TT... 14.1... Same hp. Now this has to say something. Peace foo's :p (Godzilla is R32 GTR to the lesser knowing Skyline people in here)

What Video is that? I would love to get my hands on that!

no shit. skylines are awd. its not all about straitline anyways. z's are sports cars, not drag.

That has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! the ATTESSA set up is heavy as shit. Skylines wiegh even more than the Z32's. And lets see how a Z matches a Skyline on road course, I bet Sky will come out on top. Shit, go ahead and match a damn 350Z to a Nür, and lets see who guns it... Any race, Nüremburing would kill the Z. Peace foo's :p

O, and I'll see if I can post it on here... If not i'll get your email and get it to ya. Peace foo's :p

OK im going to try one of two things here... If all else fails I'll email it to you...
C:\Alpha-Kappa\Video's\R32 GTR vs. 300ZX TT.mpeg
C:\Alpha-Kappa\Video's\R32 GTR vs. 300ZX TT.mpeg

See if this works... If not. Whatever.

Skylines are racing built cars, they are basically street version race cars, the Rb series is a motor that dominated the JGTC. It won 29 out of 29 races, the but since their is no GT-R model out right now out in Japan the Z is the flagship car, and the new 350Z is on the skyline chassis and believe it or not can be AWD, the skyline is here, except it is just the Infiniti G35X.

OK BRO, the JGTC Skylines were powered by the VQ30's. The RB's were rendered useless after the 1998 season. Ever since Renault took over they have been after lightweight v apposed aluminum blocks. Peace

I wonder what is gonna happen when the GTR comes back (2007)? Will the Z no longer be top dog of JGTC? Will the SKYLINE GTR BE AWD
TWIN-TURBO again? RB series or VQ? The GTR is suppossed to arrive to the US this time... as stated by an Executive at Nissan! Will the NA RWD Z then become obsolete?

Oh... and you cannot compare the new SKYLINE GT V35/INFINITI G35X to the original SKYLINE GTR... major difference except for the AWD ATTESSA system in the AWD 4-DOOR SEDAN!

Try VK56DETT V8 engine, yea you heard it V8 Twin Turbo. Thats what i've been hearing lately. But I think it would make more sense to have the VQ in it (from their standpoint, im an RB guy). It will have ATTESSA, it will have Super-Hicas. Personally, I would rather them just bring back R34 body. But the R35 doesnt look ALL that different. O well, I wont be able to afford an R35 anyways. So i'll end up just importing an R33 GTS-25T. Haha, peace

Damn... with a 5.6 liter engine? Where'd you hear this? THAT car would be competing with CORVETTES and junk... probably won't be able to afford that either...

ok the new skyline will be 4.5 litre V8 unit not a 5.6 litre unit, it's a 300 kw non-turbo'd engine....and a 3.0 litre twin turbo V6 putting out 230 kw the V8 will be the GT-R for the export while the V6 the japanese market.

just for the record the 1989 R32 GT-R was infact slower than the 1989 Z32 300ZX twin Turbo, as the 300ZX was the first japanese production car to reach it's limiter of 155mph..... how ever the r32 GT-R was slightly quicker to 100km/h

I cant remember what we were speaking of, but Godzilla was much faster 1/4 wise. Top speed, Zsta's got 'em. And where did you get this info from about the R35 Skyline? I got mine from a Japanese design book. It stated that the R35 Skyline is rumored to be powered by the VK56DETT engine, of course the cams will be shaped differently, lower compression ratios, etc etc. Pushing quite a bit of HP. The VG30DETT was considered as well, seeming as Renault (took over Nissan in 1999) has been going for the lightweight minimal horsepower engines in all of their race cars, and the street cars now... How many Nissan's are powered by the SAME VQ35DE engine lately?? Maxima, 350Z, G35, Altima, etc. I will admit the VQ is easier to work on apposed to the VG... MUCH easier. For Gods sake, the EGR on the VG's is practically hidden, haha. I would rather just see Nissan (wouldnt be a very smart move in retrospec, but MY personal preference) bring back street legal Skyline versions from 1989-2002, make special editions as well... Nür, R'Active G, etc. LHD, same RB26DETT's in the GTR's, RB20's in the GTS's and on and on. I think that would make the American public very happy, and all of the importers VERY mad. Haha. Well thats just my thoughts on it. Peace

Your damn right the z32 is a super car. Just look at it, it has all the characteristics of one, beauty, power, and handling. I used to think the RB26DEtt was superior to the VG30DETT. But after much research the VG30DETT has proven to be as equal as the skyline engine. It competed with the likes of the nsx, corvette, rx7, skyline, and supra stock and came out on top in several events. The engine is even capable of 7 second et's at the drag, so that should tell you something. True you might see bigger numbers in the rb's but the vg isn't too far behind. And not too mention as far as appearance I'll take a z32 over the skyline any day.:icon16:

ok the new skyline will be 4.5 litre V8 unit not a 5.6 litre unit, it's a 300 kw non-turbo'd engine....and a 3.0 litre twin turbo V6 putting out 230 kw the V8 will be the GT-R for the export while the V6 the japanese market.

Where did you get your info???

Your damn right the z32 is a super car. Just look at it, it has all the characteristics of one, beauty, power, and handling. I used to think the RB26DEtt was superior to the VG30DETT. But after much research the VG30DETT has proven to be as equal as the skyline engine. It competed with the likes of the nsx, corvette, rx7, skyline, and supra stock and came out on top in several events. The engine is even capable of 7 second et's at the drag, so that should tell you something. True you might see bigger numbers in the rb's but the vg isn't too far behind. And not too mention as far as appearance I'll take a z32 over the skyline any day.:icon16:


I agree that the Z looks way better... but if you gave me the choice... I'd pick the R34 Skyline!

Where did you get your info???


I got it with the chassies info from GT Nissan and Nissan NZ/Japan market personal, since I raced the Z32 300zx, I was interested in the 350z then I asked about the undates on the RZ35 GT-R Skyline, they already have a general parts catalog already for it, I kinda like the new V8 idea, but i loved the 350z more since it is still a 6..


I agree that the Z looks way better... but if you gave me the choice... I'd pick the R34 Skyline!


yeah I still perfer the Z32 brutal lines, cos the skyline is VERY freaken common where I am, I got used to the shape of the R30 - R34, but the I do like the ability to buy a Skyline coupe (R32 - R34) in GTS(GT-T R34) and installing an RB26DETT with GT-R running gear into it therefore creating a GT-R, groovie aye.

alas I am installing a VH45DE modified into Twin Turbo'd form into a R33 GTS4 Coupe....which might rock if I get enough money to complete it time or the track dayz..

then I will work on my Z32 300ZX

I got it with the chassies info from GT Nissan and Nissan NZ/Japan market personal, since I raced the Z32 300zx, I was interested in the 350z then I asked about the undates on the RZ35 GT-R Skyline, they already have a general parts catalog already for it, I kinda like the new V8 idea, but i loved the 350z more since it is still a 6..





yeah I still perfer the Z32 brutal lines, cos the skyline is VERY freaken common where I am, I got used to the shape of the R30 - R34, but the I do like the ability to buy a Skyline coupe (R32 - R34) in GTS(GT-T R34) and installing an RB26DETT with GT-R running gear into it therefore creating a GT-R, groovie aye.

alas I am installing a VH45DE modified into Twin Turbo'd form into a R33 GTS4 Coupe....which might rock if I get enough money to complete it time or the track dayz..

then I will work on my Z32 300ZX

WoW! Thanks for the info!!!

So the actual GTR coming to America is a VH45DE non-turbo??? While the Japanese get a 3.0 TT (VG30DeTT?)??? I'm not sure if I should be happy or mad! But I'm really excited about the Skyline coming here! Is it still arriving in 2007? What's the body look like? I hope it did not change too much! Are there other trims avaible? I.E. GTS? RzR35, huh? Bad-ass!

Don't forget abut your Z while working on those Skylines!

WoW! Thanks for the info!!!

So the actual GTR coming to America is a VH45DE non-turbo??? While the Japanese get a 3.0 TT (VG30DeTT?)??? I'm not sure if I should be happy or mad! But I'm really excited about the Skyline coming here! Is it still arriving in 2007? What's the body look like? I hope it did not change too much! Are there other trims avaible? I.E. GTS? RzR35, huh? Bad-ass!

Don't forget abut your Z while working on those Skylines!

Well it must be the one off gran turismo concept/japan version. If it is then I am really disgusted with the way it turned out, just like I am the with the new supra they turned into luxury cars :puke:. http://www.batfa.com/new_car_nissan_skyline.files/new-skyline.jpg

I agree that the Z looks way better... but if you gave me the choice... I'd pick the R34 Skyline!

I would to only because it is worth more. I could turn around and sell it and buy 10 300zx, and more powerful, but if they were the same value I'd choose the z.

Actually those are not GTR's... they are the V35 Skyline GT/Infiniti G35... and only the sedan has the option for AWD! This NEW R35 will be a GTR with AWD and super-HICAS... is there a CONCEPT out for the new-one? I know that the concept in GT was the concept for the new V35/G35....

Nah the V6's will end up being VQ's... Like I said in some other post, Nissan is raping the VQ, Altima, Maxima, 350Z, G35 etc. etc.

Hopefully Nissan wil do something different for the Skyline though... the VQ35 is getting played out now...

I had always heard Nissan was going to yank the engine out of the R-390 Road Car (3.5L V8TT 560HP 3.8sec 0-60.. *drools*) and pop it into the new Skyline (with a little more governing, of course.)

http://www.supercars.de/singlecar/110/509.html

OK BRO, the JGTC Skylines were powered by the VQ30's. The RB's were rendered useless after the 1998 season. Ever since Renault took over they have been after lightweight v apposed aluminum blocks. Peace

The JGTC R34 GT-Rs didn’t use the VQ until 2002-2003. NISMO’s GT-Rs also took the manufacturer’s and driver’s championships for 2003. Using the VQ also may have been what spurred Toyota into dropping the 3SGTE I4 from their Supras and using the 1UZFE V8.

I wonder what is gonna happen when the GTR comes back (2007)? Will the Z no longer be top dog of JGTC? Will the SKYLINE GTR BE AWD
TWIN-TURBO again? RB series or VQ? The GTR is suppossed to arrive to the US this time... as stated by an Executive at Nissan! Will the NA RWD Z then become obsolete?

The Z33 Fairlady Z has taken the R34 GT-R’s place in the GT500 class. Once the next GT-R arrives, the Fairlady Z will probably be phased out. However, there will still be the Fairlady Zs that are already used in the GT300 class.

The GT-R will almost certainly have a VQ V6. Cosworth has already been working on them, using a special manufacturing process to make the blocks stronger. A V8 has been ruled out because of weight distribution issues. Adding the ATTESA-ETS/PRO awd system will already increase the front bias, and the extra weight of the V8 may create a greater front bias than what Nissan wants.

There will still be room in the lineup for the 350Z, since allegedly, the GT-R will be targeting the Porsche 911 Turbo. Thus, the price and performance will be much higher than the 350Z.

Try VK56DETT V8 engine, yea you heard it V8 Twin Turbo. Thats what i've been hearing lately. But I think it would make more sense to have the VQ in it (from their standpoint, im an RB guy). It will have ATTESSA, it will have Super-Hicas. Personally, I would rather them just bring back R34 body. But the R35 doesnt look ALL that different.

The VK-series V8, at least in its current forms, is not a very sporting engine. The VK45 used in the Q45, M45, and FX45, is already an oversquare design that does not rev particularly well. The maximum power of 340HP comes at 6400RPM, with 333 –lb-ft at only 4000rpm. The VK56 is currently used in the Titan pickup and Armada full-size SUV, and is even more undersquare. It’s power peak of 305hp comes at 4800rpm, and redline arrives at 5800. Clearly, either motor would need a lot of work before going into the GT-R.

As far as looks go, there has only been the concept, released back in 2001. According to Hiroshi Tamura, Nissan's product planner for the GT-R, the final car will not look like that.

ok the new skyline will be 4.5 litre V8 unit not a 5.6 litre unit, it's a 300 kw non-turbo'd engine....and a 3.0 litre twin turbo V6 putting out 230 kw the V8 will be the GT-R for the export while the V6 the japanese market.

Those numbers seem a bit low, especially for the turbo V6. Only 308hp? Around 480ps(~473hp) is one of the latest numbers for the turbo VQ.

So the actual GTR coming to America is a VH45DE non-turbo??? While the Japanese get a 3.0 TT (VG30DeTT?)???

Both the VH and VG are no longer in production. The VK was replaced by the VK, and the VG was eventually phased out after the VQ gained wider use.

I had always heard Nissan was going to yank the engine out of the R-390 Road Car (3.5L V8TT 560HP 3.8sec 0-60.. *drools*) and pop it into the new Skyline (with a little more governing, of course.)

The VRH35L is a highly unlikely choice. The engine has probably been discontinued for some time now. According to This Site (http://freespace.virgin.net/joss.ellis/GTR/R35_Specs.html), the VRH35L motor has a magnesium block, which would be very impractical for long-term, daily driver use. For those who don’t know, magnesium is a very light and strong, but also volatile, element. Rally teams use wheels made from magnesium, and have to replace them every few thousand miles because they are brittle and tend to crack. In naked form, magnesium is also flammable.

So what are they gonna use?

no one knows.
no one has known yet.
everyone has this wild idea, and throws the v8 thing out there.
it's most likely going to be a twin turbo motor.
my money is on the v6 that's in the race cars, simply b/c it's already there, makes sense, right?

(i'd love to see the video of the STOCK r32 running a 10.4 to the 14 of the z32, with the same hp...)

So what are they gonna use?

So what are they gonna use?


The GT-R will almost certainly have a VQ V6. Cosworth has already been working on them, using a special manufacturing process to make the blocks stronger. A V8 has been ruled out because of weight distribution issues. Adding the ATTESA-ETS/PRO awd system will already increase the front bias, and the extra weight of the V8 may create a greater front bias than what Nissan wants.

To specify further, the motor could be a VQ30, VQ32, VQ33, or VQ35. The VQ40 was built for truck duty, and probably behaves like the VK56 'Endurance' V8.

I guess 2006 (or 2007?) will tell... I would be pretty pissed if it came with a VH45DE or whatever was said. Non-turbo GTR... Nononono, hahaha.

I guess 2006 (or 2007?) will tell... I would be pretty pissed if it came with a VH45DE or whatever was said. Non-turbo GTR... Nononono, hahaha.

The GT-R is supposed to have been pushed back again to 2008 for Japan. The US and Europe would probably get it in mid-late '08 or early '09. It won't even be shown until the TMS in '07.

ok, I don't know what is planned. If I did, I would let y'all know. But if I was working with Nissan on some of this, this is how I would like to see it:

Z33 Fairlady/350 Z - engine is a good choice, would like to see a TT version

R35 Skyline GT-R - I would like to see the 5.6L V8 that is in the Titan trucks. Tuned, TT, AWD, HICAS, basicly the works. As for weight distribution, that is what R&D is there for. Maybe move the cockpit back like on the Corvette?

Titan - I would like to see a heavy duty version of the Titan. Being a Nissan truck owner myself (83 720 Kingcab), either go with a diesal engine like Ford and Dodge, or develop a big block V8 like GM. After seeing a Titan on the road for the first time the other day, I think it would look great as a daully.

S Series - I think that Nissan should bring back the S series, preferably call it the Silvia for once in the US market. Maybe develop a new 4cyl for it, considering the SR has been with the Silvia since 88 or 89. RWD would still be preferred.

Well... all I know is I'm excited! The SKYLINE is finally coming to America! NA, Single Turbo or TT... as long as it's AWD,AWS and and preforms like a GTR should... I like it! Start saving, boys!

ok, I don't know what is planned. If I did, I would let y'all know. But if I was working with Nissan on some of this, this is how I would like to see it:

Z33 Fairlady/350 Z - engine is a good choice, would like to see a TT version

Sounds great, but it could cannibalize GT-R sales.

R35 Skyline GT-R - I would like to see the 5.6L V8 that is in the Titan trucks. Tuned, TT, AWD, HICAS, basicly the works. As for weight distribution, that is what R&D is there for. Maybe move the cockpit back like on the Corvette?

The reason using the V8 will affect weight distribution is because of the weight of the motor, not necessarily the placement. Nissan can already fit the V8 at or behind the front axle, as they've done in the Infiniti FX45 suv, which is also FM-based and uses the VK45DE V8. Still, the VQ offers better weight distribution, as well as less weight overall, so that is why Nissan is sticking with it.

Even the VK45, let alone the VK46 would not be a good choice for a motor. The VK56, especally with it's tuning and dimensions, is made to power a truck. It has lots of low-end torque, good mid range, and probably little top end. That is very bad for a sporting application of the caliber that the GT-R is supposed to be. It would probably be like driving a big version of the current SE-R, with the QR25DE's rev limit of only about 6400-6700rpm(can't remember which).

Titan - I would like to see a heavy duty version of the Titan. Being a Nissan truck owner myself (83 720 Kingcab), either go with a diesal engine like Ford and Dodge, or develop a big block V8 like GM. After seeing a Titan on the road for the first time the other day, I think it would look great as a daully.

Nissan's supposed to be working on diesel and heavy duty Titans. First, they'll have to make sure they have the plant capacity for that. The plant that currently produces Titans also makes a few other vehicles. If Nissan is going to get serious about competing with the Domestic Three, they would probably need one plant just for truck products like the Frontier, Pathfinder, XTerra, Armada, and Titan. That would probably be the ideal minimum.

S Series - I think that Nissan should bring back the S series, preferably call it the Silvia for once in the US market. Maybe develop a new 4cyl for it, considering the SR has been with the Silvia since 88 or 89. RWD would still be preferred.

A shortened version of the FM platform would be ideal for this. In this age of engine sharing, Nissan isn't likely to develop a new motor for it though. It would probably get a version of the QR(2L version would be better), or perhaps the new 222hp 2L turbo I4 from Renault. Either way, Nissan would have to be careful about stealing sales away from either the 350Z, or the Sentra SE-R, if they continue to produce it.

the VK45DE in the concept was 302kw which I thought wasn't bad for a starting model...

but the VQ30DETT I thought was a cockup for the GT-R @ 230kw but two diffent versons of the GT-R with two engine types for production is one wacked idea...

I was hopefull that the V6 was going to be the like the standard choice but the emissions of the turbo'd engine might not comply.

but to speak of the orignal question, the Z32 a Supercar?

Yes and i love the VG30DETT, it's just a bitch to work on in the engine bay of the fairlady Z.....

I was hopefull that the V6 was going to be the like the standard choice but the emissions of the turbo'd engine might not comply.

The motor should be just fine when it comes to emissions. There is a production VQ30DET that is okay, and adding another turbo should change much.

Where did you get the 230kw figure from? I think that's only a little over 300hp. There's little point of having a GT-R with that output, considering the previous model allegedly made more than that, and that a 287hp Z already exists.

The R34GT-R N1 had only had 217 KW @ the wheels, up on the "208"kw max, so it had almost 300kw @ the fly wheel, that was on a hot day (34 C) we dyno'd it...

and as for the infomation on the "230 kw" was from what the engine spec on the concept sheet and was factory set, it maybe the proposed @ the wheels figure, so with that in mine you would looking @ an engine with 310+ kw @ the fly wheel, but again it was only the concept idea @ Nissan GT.