Is NASCAR too Popular?


-The Stig-
03-04-2004, 01:59 AM
Is it too popular? Does it soak up too much national attention and sponsorship?

It takes up about 85% of the Speed Channel monthly schedule.

Show's like Two-Wheel Tuesday are only an hour long now. Used to be all Tuesday evening.

Not many other motorsports are featured on Speed cause of the high profile of NASCAR.


So what do you think? Are other Motorsports such as Layla's Keeper's beloved Supermodifieds suffering from lack of exposure cause of the King of American motorsports is too large?

Blue02R6
03-05-2004, 05:47 PM
Does anyone remember the good ole days when SPEED was still speedvision? Back then they didn't even know what NASCAR was.
Basically I want WRC, Moto GP, AMA, SCCA, and any other road racing. I don't want to see how they build a "race" car with 40 year old outdated parts! Sorry had to vent.

2strokebloke
03-05-2004, 06:18 PM
Seeing as how Nascar is about as entertaining as watching a toy train circle a christmass tree for half an hour, yes it is far too popular.

I too liked the old days of speedvision, when that channel was still moderately entertaining.

StupidBrodie
03-05-2004, 08:48 PM
yeah the easy left to open.. gets a little old after like ooooh 5 min

RedLightning
03-21-2004, 04:50 PM
Does anyone remember the good ole days when SPEED was still speedvision? Back then they didn't even know what NASCAR was.
Basically I want WRC, Moto GP, AMA, SCCA, and any other road racing. I don't want to see how they build a "race" car with 40 year old outdated parts! Sorry had to vent.

:iamwithst

Bunta
03-22-2004, 11:36 PM
Seeing as how Nascar is about as entertaining as watching a toy train circle a christmass tree for half an hour, yes it is far too popular.

I too liked the old days of speedvision, when that channel was still moderately entertaining.

Nascar can in no way compete with a train set. You whore.

Yes, speed isn't too cool anymore. Those multi bgzillion dollar auto auctions just make me sick.

Janet Reno
05-10-2004, 01:51 AM
"Does anyone remember the good ole days when SPEED was still speedvision?"

Yes! They would actually have good shows on. I remember a really good McLaren F1 special they had once. I never tune in anymore...can't stand 3 hours straight of cars driving in a circle with the gas mashed in and not doing anything else(NASCAR).

Auto_newb
05-17-2004, 02:47 AM
Yes, Nascar's the only reason I would switch channels, and the car auctions. I wanna see more moto GP, ama superbike, WRC, F1, and other racing that isn't in an oval.

Layla's Keeper
05-18-2004, 12:16 PM
Well, I will say this for NASCAR, thanks for bringing a sold out crowd to one of the Midwest Supermodified Association's home tracks; Mansfield Motorsports Speedway. Over the weekend, 20,000 people flooded the Mansfield 1/2mile to watch the Craftsman Truck Series. The first NASCAR touring series race in Ohio since 1954.

For short tracks like South Boston, Irwindale, Mansfield, Martinsville, and many others that are on the Craftsman Truck or Busch Grand National circuits, their NASCAR dates pay to support the track for the rest of the season. And anytime a bunch of NASCAR Trucks can bring in the money to nab ISMA and MSA supermodified dates for Mansfield, I'll gladly let them onto my track.

And, by the way, what jackass is saying oval track is easy? :sly:

Polygon
05-18-2004, 12:47 PM
I liked Speedvision before Fox bought them and turned them in NASCAR central. I liked the Formula, Touring, SCCA, and Rally coverage they had before Fox came in and ruined it. I also miss shows like Motorvision but at least they still have Dream Car Garage and My Classic Car. However, show like Chop Cut Rebuild and Tuner Transformations annoy me and now every time I change it to Speed chances are that something about NASCAR is on. :rolleyes:

veyron 16/4
05-18-2004, 02:01 PM
yeah for the past week i turn on speed and all i see is nascar on everytime, and yeah its extremely retarded the shows they cut

Auto_newb
05-19-2004, 01:07 PM
And, by the way, what jackass is saying oval track is easy? :sly:

Me... :biggrin:





Please don't ban me.. :uhoh:

Layla's Keeper
05-19-2004, 06:06 PM
I'm not going ban you, but sure as hell I'm going to give you an earful. Real oval racing is nothing like the stand on it and go racing you see at Talladega or Daytona. With flat tracks and short tracks, you basically end up with a four cornered road course.

Stock cars, like ARCA and ASA late models, are very closely related to SCCA Trans-Am cars. In fact, Port City and Lefthander chassis both sell kits that convert their late model chassis to SCCA GT1 spec. Just as you do on a road course in a Trans-Am/AGT/GT1 car, in a late model stock car you're braking heavy, clipping the apex, and then feathering the throttle to ease the car out of the corner. Of course, the fun little catch is that you don't have run off room or gravel traps to catch you if you get it wrong; you've got a concrete wall or another car outside of you.

And then let's talk about open wheel cars; sprint cars, midgets, Silver Crown, and supermodifieds. Big engines (410ci for a sprinter, 161ci four cylinders, 358ci, and 468ci respectively). direct drive (no transmission, just straight power into a locked rear axle, save for the two speed trans used in a Silver Crown car), big tires (supermods have 22inches on the right rear), and light weight (Silver Crown cars are the heavy weights of the bunch at around 1500lbs) make for radical acceleration and a lot of throttle steering. In fact, Tony Stewart (certainly a very skilled road racer who was raised oval) once said "You steer a formula car like an Indy car or a Champ Car with your eyes. You steer a sprint car with your ass."

They're vicious radical machines that have produced some of the greatest drivers of all time. Men like Mario Andretti and A.J. Foyt began their careers on ovals, and the extreme car control learned by piloting raw open wheel oval track machines translated to skills that gave them Indy, Le Mans, and even Formula One victories.

Never EVER underestimate the talent of the drivers at your local Saturday night short track all the way up to the major circuits like USAC, World of Outlaws, ISMA, ARCA, and the ASA. There's a lot more to circle track than meets the eye.

-The Stig-
05-19-2004, 06:12 PM
:werd:

1viadrft
05-20-2004, 10:29 AM
NASCAR is my mortal enemy....

Auto_newb
05-20-2004, 10:55 AM
I'm not going ban you, but sure as hell I'm going to give you an earful. Real oval racing is nothing like the stand on it and go racing you see at Talladega or Daytona. With flat tracks and short tracks, you basically end up with a four cornered road course.

Stock cars, like ARCA and ASA late models, are very closely related to SCCA Trans-Am cars. In fact, Port City and Lefthander chassis both sell kits that convert their late model chassis to SCCA GT1 spec. Just as you do on a road course in a Trans-Am/AGT/GT1 car, in a late model stock car you're braking heavy, clipping the apex, and then feathering the throttle to ease the car out of the corner. Of course, the fun little catch is that you don't have run off room or gravel traps to catch you if you get it wrong; you've got a concrete wall or another car outside of you.

And then let's talk about open wheel cars; sprint cars, midgets, Silver Crown, and supermodifieds. Big engines (410ci for a sprinter, 161ci four cylinders, 358ci, and 468ci respectively). direct drive (no transmission, just straight power into a locked rear axle, save for the two speed trans used in a Silver Crown car), big tires (supermods have 22inches on the right rear), and light weight (Silver Crown cars are the heavy weights of the bunch at around 1500lbs) make for radical acceleration and a lot of throttle steering. In fact, Tony Stewart (certainly a very skilled road racer who was raised oval) once said "You steer a formula car like an Indy car or a Champ Car with your eyes. You steer a sprint car with your ass."

They're vicious radical machines that have produced some of the greatest drivers of all time. Men like Mario Andretti and A.J. Foyt began their careers on ovals, and the extreme car control learned by piloting raw open wheel oval track machines translated to skills that gave them Indy, Le Mans, and even Formula One victories.

Never EVER underestimate the talent of the drivers at your local Saturday night short track all the way up to the major circuits like USAC, World of Outlaws, ISMA, ARCA, and the ASA. There's a lot more to circle track than meets the eye.

To be honest, I was actually sorta sarcastic about it being easy, but I just think that circuits (not ovals) are more exciting and different (maybe harder), cuz almost every turn is completely different. Whereas in an oval track the turns are so similar. Sure you can go fast but that's the only fun of it.

bhoke
06-09-2004, 05:11 PM
Actually the majority of ovals have different corners. The corners are banked at differing degrees and have different shapes making the car have different handling in each corner. I don’t get cable, satellite, or Fox, but I have watched NASCAR, Indy type cars, and any other televised race all my life. I think that NASCAR is just better marketed than CART, IRL, La Mans, or Trans Am to the fans the sponsors and broadcasters. I think that it has something to do with the fact that as one person put it they use “40 year old technology” for the most part, hence the teams do not need to spend as much to be competitive and most modifications to improve speed have been discovered. In the majority of other racing series the teams with larger budgets usually win by large margins they can afford the newest technology, and better nonessential equipment. But I enjoy the local dirt track more than all the other races, the people, the racing because they have a dream or just plain enjoy it, the drivers harts are in it not yet distracted by fame, fortune, or media.

speed_star
11-06-2004, 07:32 PM
Yes it has gotten to popular, to the point that it starts hurting the racing itself.

81911targasc
07-28-2005, 06:36 PM
"And, by the way, what jackass is saying oval track is easy?"

ME to :flipa:

81911targasc
07-28-2005, 06:39 PM
I cant stand nascar!!!!! ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

81911targasc
07-28-2005, 06:40 PM
oh yea, PORSCHE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaguar D-Type
08-02-2005, 04:10 PM
Porsches are nice, but why isn't a limited-slip differential available for the Boxster or the 911 in North America?

nissanfanatic
08-05-2005, 03:04 PM
NASCAR..... pfftt

Its all a big marketing setup since after 9/11, everyone is pro-American everything. Not that patriotism is bad, because anyone who thinks it is deserves a swift kick to the nuts, but companies have definatly taken advantage of it. Fox uses this to their advantage. They play NASCAR 24/7 and people think "Cool, fox supports the USA!" so they watch it. They wouldn't want to play Formula and not be "pro-USA,"

Still, NASCAR=lame. I don't want to watch a racing league where the cars that are racing could be beat by some street cars.... sorry.

I'm with 1viadrft.

Layla's Keeper
08-05-2005, 05:04 PM
I think this has gone on long enough. Too many dipshits with no real arguments against (or for) NASCAR. Not to mention the age of the thread.

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