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ricerocket690069
02-25-2004, 08:46 AM
i have a 91 integra ls w/ a filter and a dohc engine b18a... my friend has a 94 dohc 3000gt. he says he can beat me with ease..what a loser hahahahahaha. i kno i can smoke him jus like that supra smoked that ferrari in the fast and the furious. they started out pretty equally and then that supra jus burned him. yup. what do you guys think? is there any match or no? who's gonna win, my acura integra ls w/ a filter in the dohc b18a engine with like 130 hp and 121 lbs of tq or his stock mitsubishi 3000gt with a dohc engine!! who's do you think?

daveshapellSVT
02-25-2004, 09:19 AM
i'd say you will beat him, but not by much.. i raced a 3000GT with my old 2000 Cavy Z24 and i beat up on them like they were holding my welfare check lol

tsugsr
02-25-2004, 09:56 AM
if its a turbo version your gonna get your ass handed to you, i think you still will though.

DiscoChyme
02-25-2004, 05:55 PM
Hate to burst your bubble buddy...

The N/A DOHC is 222hp stock, the turbo is 320hp stock. Feel free to give your money away though. :)

youngvr4
02-25-2004, 06:25 PM
the kid has the f&f disease, your car can't even beat a malibu or a contour or a camry, or anything else on the street your filter added 3 hp, and you don't even feel the difference, maybe you can beat a prism or storm or my mongoose but otherwise, you can't win!!!! :lol:

i'm not usally this mean but he deserves that.

jon@af
02-25-2004, 06:26 PM
Hate to burst your bubble buddy...

The N/A DOHC is 222hp stock, the turbo is 320hp stock. Feel free to give your money away though. :)
Damn, you beat me to it. Anyways, yes, you will lose, I'm sorry.

As for the fast and furious...eh...ah nevermind, it's not worth the effort. Go, race, lose, and learn something please.

ghetto7o2azn
02-25-2004, 06:35 PM
u kno in the f&f i dont get wut the whole double clutching thing was about either cause it doesnt really make much of a difference on todays cars :screwy: .... and if u havent noticed... movies are fake..

integrasedan
02-25-2004, 07:03 PM
don't believe everything in movies

Chavez408
02-25-2004, 10:31 PM
yea, i just came here to read this and laugh :lol:





try installin' some nawz then race him ;)

ferrari_adidas5
02-25-2004, 10:43 PM
your integra will get murdered by the 3000gt, dont make any bets

Hotshot8792
02-25-2004, 11:05 PM
first off, as previously stated, dont believe everything you see in fast and furious, they ran that supra in real life, and it ran like a 14.3 on the 1/4

as for the integra, i wouldnt count on beating the DOHC 3/S without some mods, a 5-speed DOHC with a good driver has been proven to hit high 14s stock, most average low 15s. All i know is that i've driven a newer integra before and it wouldnt hang stock vs. stock. Now to your advantage down low, you have shorter gears, so if your going to take one, that is your best bet, but expect to get walked fairly well as you reach 100 mph

ZackKVtec
02-25-2004, 11:55 PM
he may be annoying but isnt what hes asking a little like this:

1991 Acura Integra LS 8.9 16.6
Horsepower: 130 @ 6000rpm
Torque: 121 @ 5000rpm
Curb Weight: 2560 lbs


1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
Horsepower: 222 @ 6000rpm
Torque: 205 @ 4500rpm
Curb Weight: 3351 lbs

non-turbo 3000gt's are dogs, thats what he's talking about i think. so yeah he was annoying but you guys are kind of full of it high 14's stock? what gt are you talking about, the vr4 is hitting like mid 13 - 14 flat and the sl is hitting like 16's

DiscoChyme
02-26-2004, 01:52 AM
a n/a dohc hits 15s...i have one.

and dogs? it has nearly 100hp on the tegger, it wont be much of a race unless its from a dig and short. like 30 feet.

talskinyguy
02-26-2004, 04:01 AM
Just to clairfy, the supra from F&F runs 9.2, with the guy who built it driving it.

In 2F2F they let the people who where in the movie drive them, and he got a 14.X with the supra. It had a single turbo greddy kit on it, so I assume the driver is a complete dumb ass. The fastest time was with an S2000 with an exhaust tip. ran 14.1 or 14.2.

sameintheend01
02-26-2004, 04:27 AM
a n/a dohc hits 15s...i have one.

and dogs? it has nearly 100hp on the tegger, it wont be much of a race unless its from a dig and short. like 30 feet.

yeah, and it also weighs 800 lbs more. It'd be a close race.

youngvr4
02-26-2004, 06:04 AM
i think you might have seen a base model 3kgt race and seen how slow it is cause that would be a good race, but as for the sl it runs 15.2 on the average same speed as a eclipse gsx, his integra is gonna get owned. there's a cool chick on our forums who actually went to the track and ran a 15.2 in the 1/4 with her sl.

base model 3kgt good race
sl no comp
vr4.........

GTO4Life
02-26-2004, 10:01 AM
ya a base model it will be a good race... but SL... lol... VR4? *walks away* Kids now days...

tsugsr
02-26-2004, 11:34 AM
i think even a base model will beat his ass, with the way he talked i doubt he has any good driving skills, especially when racing, he will prolly lose and then say it was because either his clutch was slipping, his a/c was on full blast and didnt notice, or his NAWWWWWssss didnt kick in when it was supposed too. i think he will get his ass handed to him, yea the other car weighs 800 more pounds, but its got 100 more hp and 80+ more ftlb/tq

Hotshot8792
02-26-2004, 12:08 PM
when you say base model, your talking about the 97-99 base model with the SOHC engine, 164 hp, 18x lb/ft torque, weighs b/t 3000 and 3100. The other base models have the 222 hp, same as a SL.

16.4 1/4 mile? HA, there are non-turbo automatics than run quicker than that stock, without a problem. The non-turbos mtx, with an average driver will not do worse than a 15.5, i've seen them stock run between a 14.8 and a 15.5. I know of one guy with minimal mods (i believe intake, exhaust, lightweight pulley, lightweight clutch, and maybe cam gears?) ran a 14.1 , but he was also an exceptional driver.

DiscoChyme
02-26-2004, 02:13 PM
yeah, and it also weighs 800 lbs more. It'd be a close race.

you know...a cheetah ways a hell of a lot more than a house cat

Hotshot8792
02-26-2004, 02:19 PM
you know...a cheetah ways a hell of a lot more than a house cat

:rofl: lol for some reason that made me laugh

youngvr4
02-26-2004, 04:01 PM
you know...a cheetah ways a hell of a lot more than a house cat

actually damnit that was classic :evillol: :iceslolan :thumbsup:

tsugsr
02-26-2004, 04:07 PM
that was pretty damn funny!!! the cheeta part that is, and in case yall didnt know, i was saying nawws and that other stuff in a sarcastic "he is a retarded ricer" kinda way...just FYI

KounT
02-26-2004, 05:43 PM
wow...lol it's funny how some of you actually believed he would win...yeah i saw the race..funny as shit!! i also have a 91 teg but it's auto so i didn't race.. but anyways my friend danny(3000gt) gave him a head start n still beat him by idk enough..well more than enough..all i kno is he won and john(teg) got out of his car all pissed and was like made some excuses like oh my shifter wouldn't go into 3rd blah blah blah..yeah he'd probly beat me but still it was wild to say he could be a 3000gt with only a filter

tsugsr
02-26-2004, 06:45 PM
yea i personally thought the guy in the teg was a dumb ass, hmm lets see, a FWD 4 banger against a V6 RWD....with only a filter?? i bet he got smoked good. which he deserves for thinking a ls with just a filter is fast.

MR2Driver
02-26-2004, 07:54 PM
Im stealing that Cheetah Comment as my new anti-ricer quote...

Lil Cruizer
02-26-2004, 08:11 PM
WHat about an RSX type S V.s that 3000 gt.
What do u guys have to say about that?

Konflix Integra
02-26-2004, 08:13 PM
lol, I drive a 90 Integra, I have a modified factory intake, complete level 10 shift kit ( auto tranny ) and a DC sport header and exaust. I knew I can't beat this dude and he thought he could? Even with the auto, I still run about a 15.8 @ 85mph

PunkAlex
02-26-2004, 08:20 PM
yea i personally thought the guy in the teg was a dumb ass, hmm lets see, a FWD 4 banger against a V6 RWD....with only a filter?? i bet he got smoked good. which he deserves for thinking a ls with just a filter is fast.
I think all of the 3kgts are fwd with the exception of the vr-4.....look at the engine bay in one of those peoples sigs (i forgot who)-the engine is transversly mounted.

broddie50
02-26-2004, 08:31 PM
RSX type S vs. 3000gt sl would probably be close.
RSX type S vs. VR 4 well, that would be no fun...

DiscoChyme
02-26-2004, 08:31 PM
I think all of the 3kgts are fwd with the exception of the vr-4.....look at the engine bay in one of those peoples sigs (i forgot who)-the engine is transversly mounted.

Yes, the n/a 3S's are FWD, the turbos are AWD.

I may have spelled weigh wrong, but im glad you all like my comment. :)

Creepingdeath
02-26-2004, 09:28 PM
Just to clerify. Double clutching is not what a lot of people think it is. What you do is when ur in the middle of 4th and u feel that pull is gone (torque is low) pump the clutch while ur foot is still on the gas. I wouldn't do it in any lower gear but thats what it is. This gets your RPMS running high, and is kind of like launching off the start again... but in 4th gear. Hope this helped

ZackKVtec
02-26-2004, 11:41 PM
aight thats cool, ive never raced an sl but maybe ill give one a try now that i know this, i always thought they were tanks that didnt move, i did a lil research and realize i was wrong, i believe mid 15's for quarter times stock but not much lower than that, i found out there about the same exact stats as a non-turbo 300zx which has 222 hp exactly and weighs 3,219 (about 150 pounds less than the sl) runs 15.5, so maybe exeptional drivers can break 15.5 but whats this about 14's

ZackKVtec
02-26-2004, 11:49 PM
btw im not sticking up for the fool in the teggy just curious

GTO4Life
02-27-2004, 12:30 AM
i own a 96 SL and not cus this is the car i own, but i must admit that though they arent crazy fast, this cars deserve a bit of respect :)

Kinked210
02-27-2004, 12:41 AM
get seat covers, type r floor mats, a fat ass wing, some strobes, and neons...and ur sure to win....and make sure u double clutch and not granny shift

Kinked210
02-27-2004, 12:43 AM
oh yeah...and my brother and his best friend are roomates..my bro has a 2003 toyota tacoma (yes thats a pickup) and he beat his friends stock 3000gt by like 2 car lengths down a like 1/2 mile strip...

Hotshot8792
02-27-2004, 01:04 AM
must have been an SOHC that he raced

and as for what gto4life said, you do have to give the nonturbos some respect for being able to take out new V6 american cars with bigger engines

Kinked210
02-27-2004, 01:15 AM
no just tacomas are fast for some reason...his friend and neighbor has a 93 integra lsvtec with i/h/e...he even beat that in his stock tacoma....

it gets off the line fast..also hes a really good driver...but it only tops out at like 110

ZackKVtec
02-27-2004, 01:47 AM
about the tacoma beating an lsvtec, he must be an awesome driver

ice_rr
02-27-2004, 02:52 AM
my ex 91 civic was a b16 with a 6 psi turbo! damn! god damn 3000 beat me but close race! so now you do the caculation!!!! dont even try it man!

Nesryn
02-27-2004, 08:07 AM
Heh sorry man, you're gonna get your ass handed to you. I got a 95 SL and I run 14.9 at the track. Your car is at least a second and half slower than mine, so don't bite off more than you can chew. I raced every type of Integra either stock or with minor mods, and the only one I had trouble with was a Type R who I kept even with.

imp pwr online
02-27-2004, 09:36 AM
F&F has made every 17 second car owner capable of beating anything :screwy:

Igovert500
02-27-2004, 02:02 PM
Ok, first off, I can't decide what I am laughing at more, the cheetah comment or the fact that you actually think you will hang with an SL. It has 100hp more then you...before you go posting know what you are talking about...(f&f doesn't count as research)

As well, Just FYI, double clutching is not what creepingdeath was talking about...you don't do it only in 4th gear, you can do it in any gear, it is used when downshifting, you hit the clutch, put it in neutral, hit the gas, match the rpms to what they will go up to, hit the clutch again, and downshift, this way, when your rpms are matched, you dont have that lurching and it saves the life of your tranny, there's a post in the 3000gt forum explaining it all. But essentially, it is good for your car, if you practice it becomes second nature and can be done in a second, and lastly it has no relevance to the reference in F&F because they were drag racing in a straight line, hence no need to downshift. Comments like these are the reason honda/acura owners have a bad name. Do me a favor, I have a 3000gt and a honda, stop running your mouth without knowing what you're talking about.

Konflix Integra
02-27-2004, 06:16 PM
Just to clerify. Double clutching is not what a lot of people think it is. What you do is when ur in the middle of 4th and u feel that pull is gone (torque is low) pump the clutch while ur foot is still on the gas. I wouldn't do it in any lower gear but thats what it is. This gets your RPMS running high, and is kind of like launching off the start again... but in 4th gear. Hope this helped

You don't go any faster! It just seems like you are going faster because you had lost acceration. Plus that seems like it would be hard on the clutch. Double clutchin if for car with syncros.

Konflix Integra
02-27-2004, 06:22 PM
Ok, first off, I can't decide what I am laughing at more, the cheetah comment or the fact that you actually think you will hang with an SL. It has 100hp more then you...before you go posting know what you are talking about...(f&f doesn't count as research)

As well, Just FYI, double clutching is not what creepingdeath was talking about...you don't do it only in 4th gear, you can do it in any gear, it is used when downshifting, you hit the clutch, put it in neutral, hit the gas, match the rpms to what they will go up to, hit the clutch again, and downshift, this way, when your rpms are matched, you dont have that lurching and it saves the life of your tranny, there's a post in the 3000gt forum explaining it all. But essentially, it is good for your car, if you practice it becomes second nature and can be done in a second, and lastly it has no relevance to the reference in F&F because they were drag racing in a straight line, hence no need to downshift. Comments like these are the reason honda/acura owners have a bad name. Do me a favor, I have a 3000gt and a honda, stop running your mouth without knowing what you're talking about.

The idea here is to match the engine RPM's to the cars speed in the gear you select, giving you a smooth downshift, & keeping the car's balance. Aftermarket pedal covers make heel-to-toe easier. The clutch pedal cover isn't as important as the brake and accelerator. It can stay rubber, but for the brake and accelerator, you want to have a lot of surface area to work with (a flap on the accelerator is preferred).

This brings the brake & accelerator pedal surfaces closer together, making heel-to-toe much easier.

I'll use a common "downshift from 3rd to 2nd while decelerating before a turn" as an example.

1) Apply Brake
2) Push and keep the clutch down.
3) Take the selector out of 3rd gear.
4) Before you stick-it into 2nd gear, you must rev-match. Since you're decelerating, you have to raise the RPM's slightly because you're going into smaller gear.

*The Heel or the side of the foot, applies the gas. The Toe-side of your right foot applies the brake.* (Heel-To-Toe)

5) Once you've given it the right amount of throttle, move the selector into 2nd gear.
6) Let go of the clutch, then let go of the brake (Be smooth). By this point you should be through with the turn (past the apex) and ready to accelerate.

Kinked210
02-27-2004, 06:34 PM
whoever said that shit about double clutching is a dumbass

okay...dont even worry about trying to doubleclutch unless ur car is older than 1960 or if u driving like a big rig.

freekinfreak
02-27-2004, 07:22 PM
F&F has made every 17 second car owner capable of beating anything :screwy:
LMAO!! This is so true. When I race punks in thier riced out Civics, with the clamped on muffler, stickers all over, and chopped springs that bounce like a trampoline, they ask how I beat them so bad. I just say "a stock looking car isn't always stock, couldn't you hear the WHOOOOSH?"

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
02-28-2004, 04:00 PM
I think a 91 Integra would be destroyed by any 3000GT except the base model.

I just say "a stock looking car isn't always stock, couldn't you hear the WHOOOOSH?"


Hey thats what I usually say after a race. I am waiting to show up a VR-4 3000GT, someday it will happen.

Igovert500
02-29-2004, 02:22 AM
kinked, nobody said you had 2 double clutch, it is simply a better driving technique that prolongs the life of your syncros. Check out the link:
http://www.driversedge.com/dblcltch.htm
You don't have to do it, but it definantly is a good habit to get into.

JakeDrummer
02-29-2004, 01:57 PM
everybody double clutch.... it'll give you 50 more hp and 13 second 1/4 mile times in a stock civic. and if you don't believe me, its true, vin desel proved that to us when he was driving under the semi. LOL


sorry i had to go along with the f&f theme. buwhahaha

Igovert500
02-29-2004, 04:47 PM
pair that with a momo shift knob...and you'll take down the new enzo ferrari....

anokpunk
02-29-2004, 05:54 PM
Get ready to have your ass handed to ya. Maybe you should know 121 lbs of torque and 130 hp isn't a lot. A SL 3000GT engine size is 3.0 L and gets 222 hp around 6000 rpm, and at 4500 rpm it gets 205 lbs of torque. The VR-4 gets 315 lbs of torque at 4500 rpm and 320 hp at 6000 rpm. You'd get smoked. :grinno:

As for that Fast and Furious comment - you need to stop believing everything in movies. :loser:

ZackKVtec
02-29-2004, 11:26 PM
i almost feel like making a new thread for this topic but i need some answers, that said let me repost something:

"aight thats cool, ive never raced an sl but maybe ill give one a try now that i know this, i always thought they were tanks that didnt move, i did a lil research and realize i was wrong, i believe mid 15's for quarter times stock but not much lower than that, i found out there about the same exact stats as a non-turbo 300zx which has 222 hp exactly and weighs 3,219 (about 150 pounds less than the sl) runs 15.5, so maybe exeptional drivers can break 15.5 but whats this about 14's"

-i have beaten a non turbo 300 zx(stick, no mods), and i know my 1/4 mile time is not lower than 15 seconds
-im not talking about modded sl's, i want to know if you guys are talking about stock ones
-how can it average the same times as the gsx when it weighs 300 lbs more with roughly the same power
-Nesryn, what mods do you have, and im pretty sure the type r runs a little lower than 14.9, so how did you keep even
-RSX vs. SL, close race - rsx-s vs. sl - not so close
- i will be looking, and i mean looking for an SL to race, because this all seems ludacris to me
i want to finish up by saying this post has nothing to do with the origanol, i just have a few grievances with some of the info being posted

people who dont own sl's please tell me if i am wrong
people who do own sl's please tell me why i am wrong, without lying

youngvr4
03-01-2004, 01:18 AM
300lbs more and 20hp more. not sure how much you know about cars and speed and what not, but speed factors are a lot more than just weight and hp, gear ratios, aerodynamics(very underestimated) how well its put together, i mean you just don't understand how many things matter in speed, most sl's run average of 15.3 an eclipse average is more like 15.1
i gotta go right now but when i come back i can give you cars that weigh more but are faster than other cars and cars with more hp that are slower than less hp cars.

Kinked210
03-01-2004, 01:57 AM
kinked, nobody said you had 2 double clutch, it is simply a better driving technique that prolongs the life of your syncros. Check out the link:
http://www.driversedge.com/dblcltch.htm
You don't have to do it, but it definantly is a good habit to get into.

i didnt say it was stupid to double clutch...but the guy who tried to explain what it was is an idiot..thats not what double clutching is...

anyway...how would double clutching help you in a race unless you are downshifting?

btw i double clutch almost everytime i turn onto a slower road...when i downshift

ZackKVtec
03-01-2004, 07:41 AM
i believe the 15's just not these guys coming in here saying 14.xx

AlumGsr
03-02-2004, 08:59 AM
Close Race My Ass. Race For 2 G's And Tell Us Who Wins!!!

Nesryn
03-02-2004, 09:34 AM
-i have beaten a non turbo 300 zx(stick, no mods), and i know my 1/4 mile time is not lower than 15 seconds
-im not talking about modded sl's, i want to know if you guys are talking about stock ones
-how can it average the same times as the gsx when it weighs 300 lbs more with roughly the same power
-Nesryn, what mods do you have, and im pretty sure the type r runs a little lower than 14.9, so how did you keep even
-RSX vs. SL, close race - rsx-s vs. sl - not so close
- i will be looking, and i mean looking for an SL to race, because this all seems ludacris to me
i want to finish up by saying this post has nothing to do with the origanol, i just have a few grievances with some of the info being posted

people who dont own sl's please tell me if i am wrong
people who do own sl's please tell me why i am wrong, without lying

First off, I got no mods. I'm completely stock. Second, an RSX vs an SL is no race at all. My friend beats them in his Civic DX. An RSX-s is a closer race, but it will basically come down to driver. Thirdly, all the times I found for the Type-R were 14.8-15.1.... Guys honestly... If you've never raced an SL, just take it from someone who has one and has raced the cars you're talking about. Stop havin misconceptions about our cars like everyone else does.

tran_nsx
03-02-2004, 12:11 PM
im not really interested in this thread and my reply is off topic, but a stock civic dx beating a stock rsx :screwy: , yeah ok

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