Vegetarianism

Good idea or bad? Does it benefit your health or make it worse? Why become a vegetarian?

I dont know, this often perplexes me. I can understand why some would because of things like diabetes or another medical issue, or because it was the way they were raised, or even because they feel it is the best for them. However, I can help but think that not eating meat is taking something from your diet like iron and such. Yes, there are supplements, but I'd rather have MEAT! Anyways, I suppose if I had to pick a line of anything like that, I would be a vegan; from what I understand they mainly eat natural things i.e. vegetables, but also some meat products.

Anyways, I suppose if I had to pick a line of anything like that, I would be a vegan; from what I understand they mainly eat natural things i.e. vegetables, but also some meat products.

Actually vegans are the most strict group of vegetarians. Vegans don't eat animal products at all. Some to the extent that they don't even eat honey. But vegetarians vary sometimes including eggs, milk, and other animal products in thier diet.

Actually vegans are the most strict group of vegetarians. Vegans don't eat animal products at all. Some to the extent that they don't even eat honey. But vegetarians vary sometimes including eggs, milk, and other animal products in thier diet.
Really? what's the group that eats some meat then? It's not vegetarians, it's got some other name.

I think really, that it's all a load of crap and the lack of iron and protein that meat gives you will weaken things such as the immune system, metabolism and general condition of the body.


Unless of course you take vitamin tablets, but they aren't as good as red meat.

I will never be a vegitarian, but I do think that many societies eat to much meat. Our bodies don't need as much as we put into it.













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I would say that being a vegetarian is a very unhealthy lifestyle. I can understand if you don't eat meat because of a medical condition. However, those that don't because of animal rights are hypocrites. What about those vegetables you're eating, don't they have rights as well? They are alive just like animals. I know it sounds stupid but it is the same logic. Everything that is on the Earth is here for the consumption for something else at some point. There are things like Iron and Proteins and other minerals in different types of meat and very beneficial oils in certain fish. These are things you can't get from vegetables. Most vegans look sick and pale. Sure, you can take supplements to get those things, but they are supplements not replacements. Also, where do they think they get the proteins, iron, and minerals for those supplements? They still get it from meat products, so whether they like it or not they are only fooling themselves and supporting the meat industry.

In fact I saw a news story recently about a child that was taken from his parents because he was malnourished. He had a severe iron deficiency. His parents are vegetarians.

It is a VERY unhealthy lifestyle. Your body needs things found only in meat products. I just get sick of people that think they need to cut carbs, meat, sugars, calories, and cholesterols, from their diet. It is foolish, you don't need to eliminate, you need to balance.

If we aren't meant to eat animals, why did God make them of meat?

Most vegans look sick and pale.

You make some good points. But I'm not sure I agree with you on this. My friend is a vegetarian and he could easily kick my ass and his older sister is really hot, not sick and pale.

Also, where do they think they get the proteins, iron, and minerals for those supplements? They still get it from meat products

That's not true, all those things can be obtained through chemical means from non-meat products. But its funny how my friends vegan mom stocks her fridge with shitloads of organic products, then eats her fake veggie meat made of genitically engineered soy beans. :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't care about those animals, I wouldn't work at a cow-killing factory but it doesn't bother me to eat meat. The biggest argument for me for eating meat is the fact that we would eventually die off because those damn cows would overpopulate the earth (instead of us) and kill the ecosystems.

i'm semi-vegeterian :redface: i'm a picky eater when it comes down to meat.. i can deal with chicken and turkey but the rest..not really :banghead:

i'm semi-vegeterian :redface: i'm a picky eater when it comes down to meat.. i can deal with chicken and turkey but the rest..not really :banghead:


Once you try good venison you'll not want anything else.













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Once you try good venison you'll not want anything else.

doesn't sound tempting :(

You make some good points. But I'm not sure I agree with you on this. My friend is a vegetarian and he could easily kick my ass and his older sister is really hot, not sick and pale.

That's not true, all those things can be obtained through chemical means from non-meat products. But its funny how my friends vegan mom stocks her fridge with shitloads of organic products, then eats her fake veggie meat made of genitically engineered soy beans. :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't care about those animals, I wouldn't work at a cow-killing factory but it doesn't bother me to eat meat. The biggest argument for me for eating meat is the fact that we would eventually die off because those damn cows would overpopulate the earth (instead of us) and kill the ecosystems.

Well, all the ones I've ever seen or known seem to look that way. Then again I am sure not all of them are. Also, if they aren't getting the minerals, iron, and proteins from meat then those supplements are doing very little for you. I have tried those soy meats, and they taste like crap. :(

doesn't sound tempting :(

Despite how it sounds, deer meat is VERY good. :)

Deer jerky................good, good stuff! :)

I've heard of BEEF jerky.. but DEER jerky:uhoh: i'll pass ;)

Actually deer jerky is very good. My friends dad makes it.

If we aren't meant to eat animals, why did God make them of meat?

:lol2:

Wait, who says we're not supposed to eat meat?

well it is true if you do research on medical studies performed on vegitarians and on people who eat meat.. you will find out that not eating meat is very unhealthy for you. Cause there is no true way of giving your body the same stuff that is in meat thru chemical supplements and soy foods.. but then again if you eat crappy meat that is high in fat and is not lean meat that is not healthy for you either cause it causes high blood pressure and cholestrol and also may cause clogged arteries and blockages.. I feel that there is a correct way of eating meat and that is getting the best quality that you can afford.. and eating it on a regular basis.. if you think about it honestly all the vegans and vegitarians out there are constantly takin some kind of herbal supplement for either being sick or replacing something that they are denying there body of and that is not health for a person.. and if it is a moral thing.. i think that is just retarded. these animals are raised for the reason of being in our food chain.. just like corn and tomatoes are raised to be in our food chain...

Some very weak and unfounded statements people.

You do realise that its quite possible to become extremly unhealthy eating meat don't you?


In the last 2 years the only meat Iv eaten has been less than one serving of chicken per week, the odd bit off beef and pork hand raised on a friends farm, and fish, prehaps 3-4 times per week.

Right now Im the healthiest Iv ever been.
I have a very physicaly and mentaly demanding job, and have no trouble working 50+ hours a week, then going out all week end.
With the exception of the odd mild cold I have not been sick at all during that time, even when the rest of my flat have all had the flu.


If you take care to watch what you eat, and pay attention to what your eating to make sure you get a variety of all things that are good then there is no reason that living with out meat is bad for you.
Infact there plenty of cultures who do not eat any meat at all, and live very long and healthy vegan life styles. Most budhists, and some Hindus will not any meat, and yet have some of the longest life expectancys on the planet.

Some very weak and unfounded statements people.

You do realise that its quite possible to become extremly unhealthy eating meat don't you?


In the last 2 years the only meat Iv eaten has been less than one serving of chicken per week, the odd bit off beef and pork hand raised on a friends farm, and fish, prehaps 3-4 times per week.

Right now Im the healthiest Iv ever been.
I have a very physicaly and mentaly demanding job, and have no trouble working 50+ hours a week, then going out all week end.
With the exception of the odd mild cold I have not been sick at all during that time, even when the rest of my flat have all had the flu.


If you take care to watch what you eat, and pay attention to what your eating to make sure you get a variety of all things that are good then there is no reason that living with out meat is bad for you.
Infact there plenty of cultures who do not eat any meat at all, and live very long and healthy vegan life styles. Most budhists, and some Hindus will not any meat, and yet have some of the longest life expectancys on the planet.
<--------------Envious of Moppie and his health.
I may have to bother you via PM about your diet...

i guess i will jump in here after moppie. these people who do not eat meat in 3rd world cultures can avoid eating meat for one reason. they do not wash their food, or atleast not very well. therefore, specific necessary minerals are obtained by ingesting dirt.
-decent amounts of iron reside in DARK greeny goodness.
-i didnt want to post in this thread because i do not agree with this diet. its just not for me.

Moppie, basically you are saying you eat a lot of lean, good quality protein which is what we are all promoting here. Vegetarian or not. It is obviously especially important for those who workout and do weights to rebuild muscle.

You got it Oz, I also eat a lot of rice and pasta, which is good for energy carbs, and lots, and I mean lots of freash fruit and veg.
I also drink quite a bit of milk, and have some eggs on a regular basis.

I guess on my Average day I start with some generic coco pops with a sliced banana for breakfast, then sandwich or salad for lunch, normaly with some fish in it. I eat one tomato a day, normaly in the sandwich, with what ever else in season. At the moment its avacado, lettuce, cucumber, cheese, and prehaps some sprouts of some kind, then a dressing, at the moment its a good thick spread of Humus.


Dinner will be rice or pasta based dish, or sometimes a baked potato or kumera. Then fish, either freash and fried, or poached in a sauce (nandos lemon and coriander tonight), or salmon (dolphin friendly) from a can mixed through the pasta with pesto, or with a pasta salad, or salad on the side.
I also eat a fair amount of flafel when I can be bothered preparing it (mixed from dry powder), or I can find some quality prepared stuff, but it needs to be cooked in a lot oil, so is a little fattening.

Snacks are at least one serving of fruit, and what ever I feel like from a selection of crackers and cheese, vegemite sandwich, more fruit, chocolote biscuts, musile bar etc etc

If I go out Ill have what evers on the menu thats meat free, normaly a salad or fish dish, but indian is great, because they normaly have a quite an extensive range of vegetarian currys, since many Indians are vegetarian. Thai resturants are also good.
If theres nothing on the menu that is suitable then Ill have chicken dish, but I do limit how much chicken I eat, no more than about 4 times a month, although it is dependant on how Im feeling, or how much work Iv been doing. If Iv had an exceptionaly busy week I might have an extra chicken based meal, but it will be takeaway, and only becuase I havn't had the time to prepare anything fish based at home.

Things BBQ's are very easy of course, usualy a nice hunk of Salmon wrapped in tinfoil :)


P.S. I don't take any suplements at all.

Sounds BLOODY similar to my diet :)

Oh.. I LOVE meat, yet I don't seem to be eating too much of it lately. I've been having a lot of pasta... meh. I guess that's what poor college students do.

About the venison... it is second only to rabbit! Wild game is the best meat ever IMO.

Sounds BLOODY similar to my diet :)


Yes...........

..............but then you are the mighty MiniMops!!

Pfft. How tall are you? I'm 5'10" and about 70kg.

Pfft. How tall are you? I'm 5'10" and about 70kg.

Pfft! Only 70kgs? I could lift you up and throw you the length of my truck!

altough I will give you a hieght advantage, Im 5'7 and according to the scales at work 82.5kgs.

Some very weak and unfounded statements people.

You do realise that its quite possible to become extremly unhealthy eating meat don't you?

Yes, of course, that is why I said you need to have a BALANCED diet. If you eat too much red meat you leave yourself open to heart disease. Also, on a side note, nobody should eat pork ever. It is one of the worst things for you. Your body can't even digest it.

Also, on a side note, nobody should eat pork ever. It is one of the worst things for you. Your body can't even digest it.

sizzling BACON:uhoh::biggrin:

Pfft! Only 70kgs? I could lift you up and throw you the length of my truck!

altough I will give you a hieght advantage, Im 5'7 and according to the scales at work 82.5kgs.
Likewise. I'm a bloody toned and lean 70kg. I can still leg press nearly 600kg. :)

i have been workin out for 6 years and i have had better gains with the diet i'm on now that anything.
Almost the only thing i eat is stuff with protien in it...tuna is great, nearly 30g of pro. per can. Fish is great, chicken, steaks. some times i eat complex carbs like fruit and veggies, but i try to stay away from bread and pasta.
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Likewise. I'm a bloody toned and lean 70kg. I can still leg press nearly 600kg. :)
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i love leg press...I was doin about 1300 lbs before i blew out my knee in high school