Looking through some old articles on the 99 g20 I read that it was projected that the 2000-2002 g20's would have an sr20ve engine in it? Now i know that didnt happen but does any one know if this engine exsits becuase it said it has 190 horses in it and that would sound nice under the hood of my G.

Yup there was a version of the Primera in Japan sold with the SR20VE and each one came with a CVT tranny.

You can swap one in with an ECU swap from JWT. They should have the detail on installing one. Also www.gonzonx.com has some info on swaping a SR20VE into an NX2000.

You can purchase an SR20VE from SR20Development. They usually have 1 or 2 on hand (they did about 2 weeks ago, so I heard) They know alot about swapping and have a great reputation.

Since you have a 2002 your ECU cant be reprogrammed by JWT (darn 2000+ Nissans). But you have 2 options.

1) You'll have to use a reprogrammed 95-97 ECU from an SE-R and rewire every wire to the ECU.

2) Hopefully you can find a complete VE with the ECU and wiring harness.


Call Chris @ SR20Development. I believe the number is 619-69-TURBO. He'll have all your answers and he's a really nice guy. ;)

about how much would one run me?

Originally posted by slickkedar
about how much would one run me?
Call them but I'll expect it's around $3k.

What is the difference in the two engines.

HP and building!?

Yea, the VE has a bit more hp.......one of the reasons, i believe, is that it has Variable Valve technology, something like VTEC........

I think last I heard the VE was going for $2500 w/ ECU and harness. They're a little easier to come by now, but no where near as easy as the DET's. I believe the VE's have only been out since 99?

Do you have to get the CVT tranny too?? Thats that automatic/kinda manual thingy right?? Could i just keep my five speed?

A FWD manual tranny from a US car should just bolt right up. I don't think the block size is different, just the head, and some oil passages between the block and head changed locations. Everything else is pretty similar.

Couple o' months ago Grunter put me onto a VE only 1 hour drive from me (NZ). Came out of a '99 wagon done 10,000km and has everything including MAF, harness and ECU. Wrecker (Junkyard?) wanted NZ$1850 for it (approx. US$800). There is another thread mentioning it - search on Grunter (username) and SR20VE.

Depending what you can get them for against shipping costs, let me know if you want me to check if they still have it.

Holy Wow! :eek:

Save up save up save up save up :D

Since we are on the topic, do you guys think the VE head onto a FWD de/det would work?

If so, about how much for the head?

There has been some discussion on the se-r mailing list about VE head onto DE engine but I don't think anyone has actually tried it yet. As mentioned above, some oil passages don't line up but that is solvable.

You'd need some way of switching the cams as well. JWT has done some work in this area with a turbocharged VE, and found that even in turbocharged form that the stock switching worked best.

Buying the 'head only' may be a problem, since anyone with a good complete VE engine would probably want to keep it complete.

T4,
There is someone in miami that with shipping he will get you a SR20VE for i think like 2300 or so. I think his name is Anres Mikkas or something like that, he is on the SR20DE Forum. In any case i'm wanting to put one in my car desperately but i think i should wait for a more available SR20VE(T). What do you all think? Or should i get a SR20VE and make it a VE(T).

Moses

Andreas Miko (Sorry if i spelled it wrong), I think is the name you are looking for. For the VE or VET... i'd personally go either VE or DET... not both... too many variables. But if you have a ton of cash laying around, why not try? :D

For good info on turbocharging the VE, have a look around www.gonzonx.com . This site isn't working for me at the moment but hopefully should be back up soon.

Originally posted by slickkedar
Yea, the VE has a bit more hp.......one of the reasons, i believe, is that it has Variable Valve technology, something like VTEC........

We only have that in a 1.8L engine here in Europe!? :(

hey sandy do you know if the SR20VE block looks similar to the sr20de one?
coz i am quite interested in it...but just wondering if i could get away with insurance and transport.

Andreas mentioned he just got 3 more VVL motors in. They come w/ wire harness, MAF and ECU. He is in Florida I believe, but he will ship to other states. Price I believe is $2,350 which is pretty sweet.

The SR20VE will add some very nice ponies under the hood and I think it'd be a great swap for someone not wanting to spend $4000+ on various turbo setups.

If you are interested please call Andreas Miko at 305-282-3643 or email him at MOPPEL_DET@HOTMAIL.COM.

Looks like the price is coming down. A couple years ago you were looking at about $5k, if you could find someone to even sell you one. :)

Once i get a few more miles on this engine, ill definitly do the swap. Do you guys know, tho, if everything will work as is (the wiring, the ecu) or are changes necessary? And lastly, how many miles do most of these engines have?

So which one is which?

SR20VE has how much hp? and

SR20DET capable of how much hp?

SR20VE is a VVL engine... it is still a NA engine but it is like VTEC and VVTi... it has 2 cam profiles, one for low rev and one for high rev
I think they produce 190hp stock.

SR20DET is an intercooled - turbo charged engine
they produce 200hp stock...however I believe they are capable of doing much more.. i mean MUCH more:D just a few minor mods and you can probably get it over 300hp :eek:

Originally posted by v_knot
So which one is which?

SR20VE has how much hp? and

SR20DET capable of how much hp?

Asked this way, not a fair question, but here goes.

The SR20VE has 190PS (pferdstarke - German hp)

The SR20DET is capable of, well..... JUN has reached 700 bhp supposedly. How much money do you have? ;)

Originally posted by pche059
hey sandy do you know if the SR20VE block looks similar to the sr20de one?
coz i am quite interested in it...but just wondering if i could get away with insurance and transport. Yes, they are similar. The engine was at G&M Auto Spares in Te Awamutu (07) 8718575. Hopefully they still have it. When I called them awhile ago, they said they had some Primera 5-speeds lying around that could be used to check for fitment.

Insurance and CERT. shouldn't be a problem - you are replacing a Nissan engine with another Nissan engine of the same displacement and it's not turbocharged. It might not even need to be certified. I wonder if Prestige automotive has ever done this swap??

700 bhp!! holly macraroni! I want half of that on my G20... :)
Now, this is another stupid question...where is the root of the SR20DET? I mean from what car is it come from? Nissan Skyliner? Do they (Japan) sell it brand new SR20DET or you have to strip it from some car park in the junk yard?? And a good one can cost you upto $5K with swapping? Hmm....I might consider this route...

Originally posted by v_knot
700 bhp!! holly macraroni! I want half of that on my G20... :)
Now, this is another stupid question...where is the root of the SR20DET? I mean from what car is it come from? Nissan Skyliner? Do they (Japan) sell it brand new SR20DET or you have to strip it from some car park in the junk yard?? And a good one can cost you upto $5K with swapping? Hmm....I might consider this route...

There are two basic sources for SR20DETs. The first is the JDM Bluebird SSS. You can get either the U12 (Stanza) or U13 (Altima) engine. Most we have seen to date are U12. They are pulled from scrapped cars in Japan. The laws are such that after about 3 or so years, a car is pretty much only worth salvage value in Japan due to the inspection and registration there. They generally have about 30k miles on them. You won't find one new, and even if you could, it wouldn't be worth it since it would be cheaper to rebuild one and it would be just as good as new (more likely better).

The other source is from the Sunny/Pulsar GTi-R. This was Nissan's WRC homolugation special. This DET puts out about 30 more hp than the Bluebird DET. There are many differences between the two and they have been covered extremely well here before so I won't repeat it (hint: do an archive search on SR20DET and Apex - that should give you what you need).

Oh, BTW, that 700 bhp DET would probably cost you in the neighborhood of $30-40k US. (just a decent guess)

Well getting off topic onto high HP SR20's...

Top Secret of Japan produced an 800 something bhp Nissan 200SX (240SX in the US) powered by an SR20DET. I forget the exact mods it had or the boost pressure but I know it ran an HKS T51-R turbo. I should still have the UK Max Power mag it was in...

Holy crap!

If you look in the classifieds, you will see that Andreas is selling the SR20VEs for $2,800 shipped!.

That is a great price. If I didn't have my 944 race car to build now, I would probably get one for my SE-R.

Wow.

This is a better deal than a DET IMHO if you are looking for 250 bhp or less. Add a header, CAI, pulleys, and flywheel and you should be able to put down power that would compare well with a near stock DET.

Yep, it'd be a nice project for someone not wanting to spend a ton of money on a turbo setup. Who's gonna be the first?

Originally posted by P10DET
Holy crap!

If you look in the classifieds, you will see that Andreas is selling the SR20VEs for $2,800 shipped!.


Question. Would the VE be a more direct swap and easier to do than the DET?

I could use 190hp but I dont have piles of money lying around at this time. Besides it wouldnt be worth it to dump my brand new SR20DE unless it had a lot of miles or there are some kind of problem with it. But if I had a P10 or a P11 with some engine problems and a pile of moeny, I would definetly go for it!

IMPO Nissan should have put the SR20VE into the 2k+ G20's stock. The car would have been so much better and much more popular. Once again wtf have the Nissan people been smoking.

I think I'm up for one......... :)

George,

Thanks for the brief but comprehensive explanation of the sources of the SR20DET engines. I guess this is a good time to start the investment for the SR20DET engine 3 years down the road! I would definitely want the Pulstart GTi-R SR20DET engine!! :)

Seriously, if the G20 has either the SR20VE or the low end of the SR20DET engine, this car would be the king of the road!!!

I think since I just got my X mas bonus and I know Andreas I might go for it ..... since he is local I won't have to pay for shipping .... but I have to get permission from my lady .....

She reads SCC car, drives a G20, her brother is a mechanic and knows Andreas too .... I won't be able to get away with it easily like our friend who got BRAND NEW RIMS instead of New Tires for Xmas ...

Originally posted by v_knot
I would definitely want the Pulstart GTi-R SR20DET engine!! :)


It's a great engine with a lot of potential. Just remember though, unless you are building an all-out killer engine, you can probably do better starting with a BB DET or build a turbo DE. You pay a large premium for that engine and once you start dinking around with different turbos and such, you really haven't gained much. And, for the same money as a GTi-R DET I can build a BB DET that will kick its ass.

So, I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but just think through what your goals are.

Originally posted by P10DET


It's a great engine with a lot of potential. Just remember though, unless you are building an all-out killer engine, you can probably do better starting with a BB DET or build a turbo DE. You pay a large premium for that engine and once you start dinking around with different turbos and such, you really haven't gained much. And, for the same money as a GTi-R DET I can build a BB DET that will kick its ass.

So, I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but just think through what your goals are.

You just talked me out of it.... sounds like too much maintenance for a fumbler like me and I will have to keep bother Andreas all the time ...

[QUOTE]you can probably do better starting with a BB DET or build a turbo DE.

George, you gotta show me how to properly add quote to my posting...I hate this text editor!!!!

Anyway, for a comparative note, how much horsepower can a turbo DE produce compare to a BB DET? I am not looking for a killer machine but I want to get about 300 hp if I am going turbo. Can a DE turbo achieve this number? If not, I guess a BB DET route is better?

I am saving up for the Turbo as we speak.......

Originally posted by v_knot
George, you gotta show me how to properly add quote to my posting...I hate this text editor!!!!

Well I'm not George but there should be a Quote link at the bottom of each post that you can click on and it will set you up with the post in quote brackets for you.

Originally posted by G-Forces

Well I'm not George but there should be a Quote link at the bottom of each post that you can click on and it will set you up with the post in quote brackets for you.

you mean like this?? :)

darn that's easy....I look like an idiot! :bloated:

Originally posted by v_knot


you mean like this?? :)

darn that's easy....I look like an idiot! :bloated:
Nah, you just got to experiment with things. :D

Originally posted by G-Forces
Well I'm not George but ....

Hey, what's with the green boogar on the screen print there Jason? ;)

Originally posted by v_knot
[QUOTE]you can probably do better starting with a BB DET or build a turbo DE.[BAnyway, for a comparative note, how much horsepower can a turbo DE produce compare to a BB DET? I am not looking for a killer machine but I want to get about 300 hp if I am going turbo. Can a DE turbo achieve this number? If not, I guess a BB DET route is better?


Either will work. If your SR20DE is in good shape it would probably be cheaper to turbo your DE.

Originally posted by P10DET


Hey, what's with the green boogar on the screen print there Jason? ;)
It's umm the screen capture load icon. The program grabs the current screen before it finishes loading. :rolleyes:

Umm, either that or I sneezed all over my screen. :p

Originally posted by P10DET


Either will work. If your SR20DE is in good shape it would probably be cheaper to turbo your DE.


Just wondering... should you not turbo an engine before a certain amount of use?


Reason I ask is that I may be trading in my 2000 G20t for a 2002 w/ sport package. (I really dont like my white car w/ tan leather combo anymore. I want black interior). Anyhow I figure I can get a good deal in the spring as they'll be trying to get rid of their 2002's as they bring in the G35.

Should I "break in" the engine before starting to work on my turbo?

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Just wondering... should you not turbo an engine before a certain amount of use?


Reason I ask is that I may be trading in my 2000 G20t for a 2002 w/ sport package. (I really dont like my white car w/ tan leather combo anymore. I want black interior). Anyhow I figure I can get a good deal in the spring as they'll be trying to get rid of their 2002's as they bring in the G35.

Should I "break in" the engine before starting to work on my turbo?

The only issue I can see it warranty, and that's up to you. Well, I'd give it at least 1,000 miles to be sure the rings are well seated.

b-b00gie,

would you want to turbo your SR20DE that soon? I am looking at within 3 years....but heck, if you got the $$$, go for it......

I'm looking at doing it now.


The thing stopping me is that I dont really like the interior of my car. If I was to swap the interior I'd pay way to much money. I may as welll just trade in my car and have everything brand new again.


My gf already bought me a turbo timer! Maybe I can get a boost controller for Valentines day and an intercooler for my b-day in March! :D

what colour you looking to get? I got black on black, and it looks hella good.

Crystal Silver, Midnight Blue, Black or White ...maybe even Ruby but I havent seen one yet in that color. (Its a new dark red kinda burgundy color)

the 2002 G20 sport package offers a black with silver suede interior. if you go with the interior aluminum brush rims, everything would look like my car :)

BTW Mr. B00gie, i think i never replied to your email about getting my DE motor...dont think i read it too..hehe, anyway, what did you want to do with my DE motor again?

Not sure if I still want that, make me an offer brian@unXplodedbomb.com


I wanted a spare motor to use while mine sits at JWT for some bottom end work. Dunno how long that'll take :rolleyes:

Well my 2002 G20 has hit its 4 month mark. Its a 2002 Sport White w/ Black leather/grey suede. While it is a dream car i am always going to be looking for that extra power the car need. I guess SR20Ve here i come.

Good luck to all you all.

:bandit:

Originally posted by G22DET
BTW Mr. B00gie, i think i never replied to your email about getting my DE motor...dont think i read it too..hehe, anyway, what did you want to do with my DE motor again?

Hey Mr Luke, are you back? Have send you a few mails, waiting for the reply.

wow ive missed a lot when i was gone the past 3 weeks. why the hell did the VE get so cheap? IMO, i think that getting a VE would be more reliable cause the DET is going to be older than the VE, and you could turbo the VE to gain even more hp. :D

Originally posted by AznVirus
and you could turbo the VE to gain even more hp. :D
Is that with a stock aftermarket turbo (F-max, Hot Shot, Nsport, etc...) or is there a special turbo for the VE?? Just wondering...

i didnt read all the old post about the VE but here's somehting i know about the motor:

the VE started in 97 and was found (and only found) on P11 Primeras.
it's basically a Nissan VTEC (VE means variable valve timing) producing 190hp@7000rpm with redline at 7500 i think
you can turbo it if you run low boost (it has a pretty high compression ratio) but if you wanna go turbo, just go with DET motor.
supposedly, this secret shop (cant give away identity yet) already has headers in development for the VE motor in the US so that's something you can look into if you want to build a fast NA P11. Parts from japan for that motor is pretty hard to come by (if anyone asks, NO, the headers from DE motors wont fit the VE because the ports are different)
but IMPUL and NISMO has a few performance item for it (such as cams)
All VEs comes with ONLY the auto CVT 6M tranny meaning its a 6speed automatic (wow!) with sports shift...but a tranny from the DE will bolt on perfectly since it's still a SR motor.
IMO, it's a nice street motor but if you are looking for real power, turbo is still the way to go.

luke, do you have info like that on the VET?

(is it ok to call you luke, or do you want it to be g22det?)

you can address me as Lord Luke if you wish Noble Tomas...;)

anyway, the VET actually belongs on a Nissan SUV called X-cross or something..i forgot. It has about 250hp with plenty of torque to haul it anywhere. would it fit in our cars? it should since it is still an AWD SR motor but the motor just released in 2001 and i dont think it will be coming to our shore anytime soon. I was very surprised to see quite a few VEs actually.

Originally posted by G22DET
...Nissan SUV called X-cross or something..i forgot.

X-Trail ;)


Stop driving your DET around and answer my email!! :biggrin2:

I think it's 276ps (or whatever the limit is in Japan). They now have the X-trails in Mexico too, except currently they only offer the QR25DE motor (I think that's it, it's the new B15 SE-R, and Altima 2.5L motor here in the states). I've heard people have already seen X-trails in the US (probably Mexican owners on vacation in the US.)
Also, I've heard rumors that if sales are high enough on the X-trail in Mexico, they will possibly import the VET motor and market a higher end X-trail in Mexico. But I don't know about that... just heard it somewhere, wish I could remember where... oh well, just think of it as a very unlikely thing to happen, just a rumor... Kinda like when there were rumors about the SR20VE going into a G20 (here in the US) a couple years back. :(