i'm decided on buying eibach for my '02 accord v6 but i'm undecided whether to go with the pro-kit or sportline springs. i would like to lower the car but not spend too much money especially since i'm still paying for the car. with the sportline springs, i'll have to fork out more money for the camber/alignment kits, matching short springs and alignment fees. whereas with the pro-kit, i don't have to worry as much. i intend to use the stock shocks and wheels to the fullest. i would appreciate your opinion.

Personally I think Sportlines SUCK. No matter which you choose you still need an alignment and aftermarket struts. Check out H&R's springs & spring/strut kit(cup kit) www.tirerack.com

what do you think of eibach's pro-kit as entry level then?

Pro Kit is a nice set of springs, but H&R's may be slightly better/cheaper. I've heard many people say the Pro Kit is pretty stiff & I agree. One of the main reason's for lowering is to increase spring rates=tight! I have the Pro Kit with KYB AGX on my car, I am happy - I do prefer a "stiffer" ride but it does get annoying long trips.

Hey jackasssi,

Can't you adjust the "stiffness" of your ride with the adjustable shocks? Or am i wrong? Sorry so Noobish...

Yes, the strut dampening can be adjusted with adjustable struts. Only so much can be done, performance suspension = performance ride, not meant for comfort.

Yes, the strut dampening can be adjusted with adjustable struts. Only so much can be done, performance suspension = performance ride, not meant for comfort.

Well stated...I have H & R springs, and they do give good handling and a good ride. The H & R sports are their spring comperable to the Eibach pro-kit. They drop the car about 1.75" or so on average (H & R sasy 1.5-2"). The Pro-kit is about a 1.25" drop or so. Still, I agree with Jackasssi...Sportlines suck...period...it's only about the look or a "low drop" with those. The Pro-kit is good, though I perfer the H & R's myself. Still, neither one is a "bad choice," per say. Remember though, like Jackasssi says, you will need aftermarket shocks regardless. The Pro-Kit shouldn't need a camber kit, the H & R's may (it's close with that drop, depends on the car). My car needed a camber kit, but I know of ones that didn't. The H & R's usually coat a little less than the pro-kit I have noticed (not always). They are both good qaulity, stay away from the Sportline. If you want the springs that will give you a little lower drop than the Pro-Kit...get the H & R's. They will drop the car a little more, but still give you a qaulity spring and ride like the pro-kit (unlike the crappy sportline). I am happy with my H & R's. Jackasssi is happy with his pro-kit. It's really up to what your needs are, in terms of which one is better for you.

how do you know if you need a chamber kit or not?

Generally, when you lower the car over 1.5"-1.75", you may need one depending on the car...I've seen cars that needed it (mine needed it on a 1.75" drop) and I've seen ones that could scrape by without one. For a 2" or lower drop though, you'll definatly need one (unless you like accelerated inner tire wear and shorter tire life). Generally, if you REALLY want to make sure before you get one with a drop like 1.5"-1.75", you can tell if you need one when you get the car algined...the alginement specs will show camber, and the alginment tech (or you if know what you are doing) can tell buy the camber specs on the alginement readout whether a camber kit is needed or not. Generally, if the lowering caused the camber to fall outside of the recommended "acceptable range," you'll need a camber kit. The camber specs on the readout will tell you what the camber is, and what the recommended amount it. Generally, the further outside of the recommended range (more negetive camber) you are, the faster your inner tires will wear.

i completely agree with those above recommending the H&R's over Eibach. I have H&R sports w/Bilsteins on my GS-R and i couldn't be happier. ride is smooth (even w/17"s), responsive, and it looks great. i would recommend getting a camber kit with these springs. also, my subs weigh about 70 lbs. so that evened out the drop to about 1.75" all around.

So even with say H&R Sport springs you guys would recommend shocks as well as springs? What if I use my stock shocks?

So even with say H&R Sport springs you guys would recommend shocks as well as springs? What if I use my stock shocks?

If you use your stock shocks, they will blow. Anytime you lower a car, you also need to change the shocks. The stock shocks spring rate differs too much, and you'll be driving around with 4 blown shocks soon.

got a noob question...there's a rad hatch around here and when he is driving his rear tires (don't know about his front tires) look like this /_\ (the slanted being the tires and the middle line the car. Is it supposed to be like this? if he needed a camber kit could it be so bad that you can tell very easily by looking?

Oh yeah, I've seen cars like that plenty of times. Looks pretty funny imo. I'm guessing that no one would do it on purpose, especially since they'd have to get new tires all the time from the inner part of the tire being worn.

got a noob question...there's a rad hatch around here and when he is driving his rear tires (don't know about his front tires) look like this /_\ (the slanted being the tires and the middle line the car. Is it supposed to be like this? if he needed a camber kit could it be so bad that you can tell very easily by looking?
That's called negative camber, more of a racing setup. He's probably some cheap ass on shitty suspension & can't afford camber kits or he has camber kits & aligned it that way because race car stuff is cool for the street, remember :rolleyes:

You can use the stock stuts but your ride will not be like it should & you will blow the shocks quickly having to replace them any way. Do it right the first time or don't do it all.

What does negative camber help you with? I know my dad did this on his Dune Buggy to make it have a smoother ride but I doubt this is it.

Basically negative camber helps in cornerning because of the camber change. During a corner the camber will go positive, with it set neg. you get full tire contact not just the outer edge. Dune buggy is a different story, to find out all about camber & suspension = How To Make Your Car Handle by Fred Puhn

our buggies have TONS of positive camber, but thats what hapen when you raise VW rear suspension.