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Holdens aren't that great are they

don't know, dont have them in the US yet (well soon with the pontiac GTO rebadge .. but not how much of it is still considered Holden parts)

FLEA:
Please explain, are you saying that this car company is going to be in the us with a GTO rip off?
Thanks
Jake

what's Holden??

GTO is based on Holden Monaro

Holden is the Austrailian version of what we know as GM (as i understand it) the GTO is one of the Austrailian cars that has had a slight refreshining and has been badged as a new pontiac Pony car for North American markets

Holden is the Austrailian version of what we know as GM (as i understand it) the GTO is one of the Austrailian cars that has had a slight refreshining and has been badged as a new pontiac Pony car for North American markets


Youve all got it wrong holden was its own car company up until recently when they were bought out by GMC now they still make cars in australia and are very popular they dominate the market over here and GMC are trying to take them over seas yet they still havent taken off so GMC is trying to rebadge the monaro as a pontiac GTO, the monaro was recently re-realesed after the original monaro back in the seventys basicly the same as what ford did with the GT

Holden is an awesome car brand and should be recognised as one even though they no longer make there own engines and barely make any of there cars in australia,"all thanks to some dumbass GMC executive".

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V-6's are made based on the buick design and the V-8's are just chevy big block 308's just put in holdens

wrong again....

holden and GM "merged" in Australia a LONG time ago, not recently.

recently Holden started exporting their cars, the commodore actually sold quite well over seas with the exception of the US where GM said they would not sell it. the mmonaro is essentially a 2 door commodore variant, the GTO is a monaro with different spoilers and badging, oh and the steering on the left. It only comes with a V8.

the V-6 is the ecotec buick until later this year when the Isuzu "global" v-6 will take over. the V-8's are Chevy LS1's which are tuned/de-tuned for around 255 to 300KW (340 - 400hp) depending on variant. manual gears are through a BW T5 or a Getrag 6spd (could have gone to T6 not sure) not bad for a family car huh?

the v-6 will also be used ina range of other cars by GM worldwide, including Alfa and Saab.

REALLY the commodore should have been sold in the states in the place of the chevy lumina (which it was badged as in the middle east) because the chassis is superior and front rear is just better for a car that size!

basically Ford are just starting to catch up again with the new Falcon BA.

FORD
Found On Rubbish Dumps
Fucked On Race Day

in Australia you are either a Ford Man or you're a Holden Man. Don't judge the cars by what's said in here.

Youve all got it wrong holden was its own car company up until recently when they were bought out by GMC now they still make cars in australia and are very popular they dominate the market over here and GMC are trying to take them over seas yet they still havent taken off so GMC is trying to rebadge the monaro as a pontiac GTO, the monaro was recently re-realesed after the original monaro back in the seventys basicly the same as what ford did with the GT

Holden is an awesome car brand and should be recognised as one even though they no longer make there own engines and barely make any of there cars in australia,"all thanks to some dumbass GMC executive".

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GMC makes trucks.

GM owns Holden.

whoops, double

lmfao Sam567..

Holden's haven't made their own engines in over 15 years. They are fuckin golf carts and Ford Australia dominate the market in AUSTRALIA.. For you americans notice there is only 1 "i" in Australia.

As for Ford (Australia) most to all parts are made in Australia.. With a huge production line in Adelaide, SA.

Also, TRD2000.. I would also like to point out Ford came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the V8 Supercars, either way we have better cars and drivers.

I've never heard of "Found on rubbish dumps" incase u didn't know, it doesn't make sense.. Something can't be found on a rubbish dump it can be found IN a rubbish dump though. Autistic holden fan's can't even come up with insults that make sense :P. Oh well, nothing out of the ordinary.

Yours, loyal Ford supporter.

The only reason i would ever own a Holden, would be to fuckin crash the thing.

actually conlad your wrong. Holden DO manufacture their own engines, along with a LOT of engines for export. in 2004 holden manufactured 257,000 engines, 147,000 for export. many of the export engines are used overseas in Saab, Alpha Romeo, Vaxhal.

compare this to the 167,000 vehicles manufactured by holden australia (SOME of which have imported engines) and it is clear that Holden are primarily an engine building company.

"Commodore is exported to the Middle Eastern markets of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Syria, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Iraq and to South Africa, New Zealand, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Fiji, Brunei and Brazil. Statesman/Caprice models are exported to Middle East regions and New Zealand and shipments to South Korea begin early in 2005. Monaro is exported to the United States, Middle East regions, the United Kingdom and New Zealand. Ute models are exported to South Africa and New Zealand, where the Holden Adventra, Crewman, Cross 8 and One Tonner are also sold."
holden website.

"In 2002, Ford sold 109,194 vehicles for an overall market share of 13.2 per cent. Ford was ranked third in the passenger vehicle market with sales of 73,218 representing 13.6 per cent of the market. Ford exports the Falcon to New Zealand and South Africa, and various right-hand-drive Asian markets"
ford website

"Toyota was Australia's top selling brand in 2005, recording 202,817 sales, followed by Holden and Ford.

The three carmakers snared 51.2 per cent of overall sales.

The Toyota Corolla was the country's top selling small car, while the Holden Commodore remained the largest selling individual model."
The Australian

and pay attention to the fact that you dug up a 2 year old thread and it might make sense that race results are wrong. HOWEVER isn't the standing for bathurst something like 24 to holden and 14 to ford? and in the history of V8 supercars there have been 7 seasons to holden and 5 to ford.

So, holden build engines. Holden sell more cars in australia than ford. Holden export to more markets. Holden have a better race history in V8 supercars AND bathurst. The Commodore is STILL more popular than the falcon. good point about crashing them though... the amount of time put into crashing holdens at the holden-monash university crash lab and the customer care shown by ford with vehicles like the pinto, I'd rather be in a holden in an accident too!

before making random comments get your facts straight.

That's not what i heard.. But then again i didn't look at all the statistics.

If you show me a picture (unedited) with a holden in the middle east i will say no more. But that's where they deserve to be, with the filthy Arabs and muslims. I wouldn't want Ford Australia's model's to be exported. I want them to stay here. Where they belong, where they are loved.

And i haven't heard or seen any proof of Holden (despite looking) building there own engines in over 15 years.

You only read the statistics for 2005, that doesn't mean they have sold more cars than Ford.

Yes, there is something like 24 Holdens and 14 Fords... And with almost a 2:1 ration we came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. How do you like that?

Bathurst is part of the V8 Supercars.

Trust me i'd never get in a Holden. Put a brick on the accelerater and watch the foreign engine, no-thought-put-into chassis and all round useless fucking "car" and watch it crash.. It would be spectacular, the view would be worth a million words.

The Pinto was 40 odd years ago. It was designed and produced in the USA. If i didn't mention before (American Fords suck my dong). Let it go. What the fuckin bong smoking american hippy's did 40 years ago. It doesn't matter now.

Ford has it's fair share of top selling cars whether it was last year or the year before or any time in the past. They didn't do aswell in 2005..

Fuck it, i don't care if i brought up a 2 year old thread, that's irrelevant. To my knowledge on forums (which isn't much) you can't see when threads were created, when posts were posted, i have looked.

How the fuck are race results wrong? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, so you seem to be a giant tosser that just won't admit he's wrong and is biased for the sake of argueing, probably because you just want posts to show how "cool" you are. So hopefully this will be my last post for this matter.

Once again,

The only reason i would ever own a Holden, would be to fuckin crash the thing.

you are obviously unwilling to actually do your research.

it doesn't matter how many times you say something if there is no factual content it won't make it true. despite the colourfull language.

I wouldn't buy a holden OR a ford... but i'll take the time to know what i'm talking about rather that shoot my mouth of and prove my ignorance.

Cut...

That's not what i heard.. But then again i didn't look at all the statistics.

If you show me a picture (unedited) with a holden in the middle east i will say no more. But that's where they deserve to be, with the filthy Arabs and muslims. I wouldn't want Ford Australia's model's to be exported. I want them to stay here. Where they belong, where they are loved.

And i haven't heard or seen any proof of Holden (despite looking) building there own engines in over 15 years.

You only read the statistics for 2005, that doesn't mean they have sold more cars than Ford.

Yes, there is something like 24 Holdens and 14 Fords... And with almost a 2:1 ration we came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. How do you like that?

Bathurst is part of the V8 Supercars.

Trust me i'd never get in a Holden. Put a brick on the accelerater and watch the foreign engine, no-thought-put-into chassis and all round useless fucking "car" and watch it crash.. It would be spectacular, the view would be worth a million words.

The Pinto was 40 odd years ago. It was designed and produced in the USA. If i didn't mention before (American Fords suck my dong). Let it go. What the fuckin bong smoking american hippy's did 40 years ago. It doesn't matter now.

Ford has it's fair share of top selling cars whether it was last year or the year before or any time in the past. They didn't do aswell in 2005..

Fuck it, i don't care if i brought up a 2 year old thread, that's irrelevant. To my knowledge on forums (which isn't much) you can't see when threads were created, when posts were posted, i have looked.

How the fuck are race results wrong? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, so you seem to be a giant tosser that just won't admit he's wrong and is biased for the sake of argueing, probably because you just want posts to show how "cool" you are. So hopefully this will be my last post for this matter.

Once again,

The only reason i would ever own a Holden, would be to fuckin crash the thing.

Funny that, when I was in Melbourne a few months ago I could have sworn I drove past a factory at Fishermans bend called the "Holden engine manufacturning plant" funny that isn't it? The blocks for the V6 in the Alfa Romeo 159 and the Brera are made at *Gasp* Fishermans bend, surely just a coincedence? Stop being so ignorant.

I have seen countless Wheels magazine pictures of Holdens in the Middle East. In Saudi Arabia and Dubai, the Chevrolet Lumina (Aka Commodore) and Caprice (Aka Statesman) are very popular and highly regarded cars.

www.chevroletarabia.com see for yourself.

Oh great!! So at least GM make their engine's in Australia!!

[/URL][url]http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/global_operations/asia_pacific/aust.html (http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/global_operations/asia_pacific/aust.html)

Since when did GM own Alfa Romeo's??

Why would Australian magazines show Holden's in Saudi Arabia when they can be bought here??

And to finish off, rumour has it that Holden and/or the models were sold off to some gook company..

P.S To finish off Holden's selling out, they sold their models to Vauxhall aswell.. Have a look at http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/

Not too surprised they must be going bust and hopefully are.

Could this forum be full of more faggots???

Oh great!! So at least GM make their engine's in Australia!!

[/URL][url]http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/global_operations/asia_pacific/aust.html (http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/global_operations/asia_pacific/aust.html)

Since when did GM own Alfa Romeo's??

Why would Australian magazines show Holden's in Saudi Arabia when they can be bought here??

And to finish off, rumour has it that Holden and/or the models were sold off to some gook company..

P.S To finish off Holden's selling out, they sold their models to Vauxhall aswell.. Have a look at http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/

Not too surprised they must be going bust and hopefully are.

Could this forum be full of more faggots???


Back in 2002 Fiat went really deep into the red ink, GM took out a 10% shareholding, with an option to buy the company out, they recently chose not to and gave Fiat a cash settlement, but not before securing an engine deal with Alfa Romeo and Fiat donating the platform of the new Punto to underpin the new Opel Corsa.

Why show the cars in the Middle East? Well back in 1998/1999 when the export program began (I'm guessing you musta been about 7 back then?) Holdens export program to the Middle East was a huge deal for the Australian automotive industry, this was the first time an Australian car made it outside of Australia, New Zealand or Singapore since the disastrous Mazda Roadpacer of the 70's (Holden Premier with a 13B rotary) or the Falcons massive flop in South Africa in the 80's and 90's, so Wheels went over to Saudi/the UAE/Lebanon with Holden to visit the launches and generally give a perspective on what it meant for the Australian motor industry and it is still a huge deal with the Chevrolet Lumina and Caprice (As the Commodore and Statesman are known over there respectively) still acheiving very strong sales.

The "gook" company you speak of is GM-Daewoo, The Kalos has been bought in to replace the Barina, the Lacetti to slot below the premium-priced Astra and the new Evanda to replace the Vectra. In turn the Statesman will be sold in Korea under the Daewoo banner and also the Buick banner in China.

You know why Holden has managed to sell these cars all over the globe? Because people WANT them, there is clearly no demand for Falcons overseas because if there was there'd be more than just one export market (New Zealand, where the Mondeo now outsells the Falcon I think) for the car.


Keep talking Bazza, I'll accept no other excuse for your stupidity than you are either (a) Inbred or (b) born and bred in some NT, WA or TAS shithole and have never seen the world outside your town or (c) You're 13 or (d) (And most likely the case) all of the above.

It just happens to be none of them you smartass prick

11,000+ posts get a life you stupid fuck, get off ur fat ass and leave the computer.. Leave your fieces infested chair and get some exercise you 500kilo fuck.

mmmkay, maybe you shouldn't come back, your previous posts have been full of flaming, swearing, and derogatory terms, all of which are against the rules and regulations you signed when you joined. you also brought back a thread that was, oh, 3 months old, again something you shouldn't do. not only that but you brought it back to flame, and flame a moderator at that. good job, it just proves your intelligence. there are some younger people on this forum that's why we try to keep it clean, have some respect and dont come back.

lol, first time he brought it back to flame it was over a year old! not much we can do about ignorance except try and educate. being ignorant by choice is stupid. and some people are just naturally too dimm to learn... Ban him

Keep talking Bazza, I'll accept no other excuse for your stupidity than you are either (a) Inbred or (b) born and bred in some NT, WA or TAS shithole and have never seen the world outside your town or (c) You're 13 or (d) (And most likely the case) all of the above.

Hey,
I didn't like his colourful rhetoric but please don't associate WA people with him. We have decent people with class over here too!

Thanks
Nenad
(An educated Ford/Holden man!)

I'm from Tas...... anyone here from the NT? i think he was just stupid.

It just happens to be none of them you smartass prick

11,000+ posts get a life you stupid fuck, get off ur fat ass and leave the computer.. Leave your fieces infested chair and get some exercise you 500kilo fuck.

What a loser. You really think I'm going to take you seriously you mungbean? No no, I lie, you made me go cut myself with your cutting comments. :dissapoin Because, nobody has ever posted 11,000 messages over the space of 5 years, oh no, never done before. INTERNET- SERIOUS BUSINESS.


I would ban you, but you're too funny, once you dig yourself deep enough to hit the Earths Core, then we'll see....



I was just kidding about the Tas, NT, WA thing. Sorta..... I definitely think he's from a backwater somewhere around there, a bit like McLeods daughters, except in his case a wee bit more Brokeback Mountain :D

i'd let im keep saying stupid shit and we can all have a good laugh,
or not...

but hey, i like holdens, some of them at least.
the new monaro would probably make any one of our new "Muscle Cars" wet its self.
or is that a vauxhaull monaro, i dont know

really though, holdens couldn't be that bad. as long as they arent fords, i cant complain

no offence,
but all of you are american aren't you?, it's sort of obvious considering that were not selling you a rebdged gto you idiots, it's an australian made monaro, take one look at it, diffferent engine, body kit, you name it, its different, the only thing that is the same is the body shape and the lights essentially. and soon were exporting the g8 to you guys, which is pretty much a VE commodore with a monaro engine and bodykit, different badges and the crappy GTO grille.... thank you.:banghead:

Despite someone dragging up an incredibly old thread, the baiting in here is pathetic.

Ford Falcon's and Holden's are ALL shit!
Kiwi's and Aussies have this sick little fetish with the V8 Supercars which are boring, don't pass, and form a single file line after the first bend and STAY that way until race end. They are OVERSIZED FAMILY TAXI'S. Not true race cars. It's sad how much people wank over the series. The drivers are nothing flash, the cars are just a gutted Taxi-car, and if you go anywhere else apart from Aussie and NZ, no one has even heard of them!

It's got so pathetic people walk around in these heavily printed jackets that read FORD and HOLDEN HRT. HSV!? Herpes Simplex Virus?

I get tired of hearing "Ford sucks" and "Holden's gay". Small minded people who have no real passion for motorsport otherwise they would realise how shit the V8 Supercars is. Go watch European Porsche GT3 racing, watch how they pass, watch how they race, look at the passion they have to win. Makes the V8 supercar drivers look like 8 year olds in go karts.