What we drive in Europe. Compact cars


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Ssom
07-01-2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
gang$tarr>

First of all we have to establish whether exotics are made to be driven in the city or on twisty roads. Here in the Uk the roads in major cities, though overcrowded are perfectly smooth to drive on. Dont be fooled into thinking everyone drives a hatchback, there are thousands of people who cruise to work in their beemers, mercs, porsches etc at an average speed of 5-6 mph. There are also many bendy roads around here to drive your fast car on, which unless ive lost my mind is what they were meant for in the first place. Track days are becoming more and more popular, with an increasing number of people buying an out-and-out racer to take on the track at weekends. this is why im saying theres a greater variety, if not in numbers (who knows) of exotics in the UK than ive seen anywhere else.


I dont think that many people who live in the States appreciate small cars. Ok, leaving out the panda there are very many hatchbacks that would teach some of the American manufacturers a thing or two about making cars

Well Jay you are half right in your first Paragraph- In the UK a lot of people drive 5 series, E Classes and A6's and all that to work, but in EUROPE the hatch is the way to go and especially in Italy and France where if they are going to drive a Luxury car it will be a Kappa, 6O7, Safrane, Vel Statis or XM. And the UK has one hell of an awesome rage of exotics as well I must say after reading the July 2002 issue of CAR :) And you should consider yourself lucky, in NZ it is a Porsche or Maserati or some high-performance Jap car- OR if you can wait a few years a Ferrari, Rolls, Bentley or Lambo.

As for Paragraph 2: More power to ya!!!!!! These hatchbacks are far better than any Yank Tank and hell even the Panda could show the Yanks a thing or two about rust-proofing and reliabilty :bloated: (Yes even if it is a rust-bucket)

Pennzoil GT-R
07-01-2002, 06:46 PM
crayzayjay:First of all no one really drives flat out in their exotic on these twisties EVERY DAY, and when they decide to put their foot down they're driving the car like its meant to be drive. Even supercars nowadays are relatively easy to drive on ANY ROAD (if youre not pushing) so i think the roads in the UK at least are perfectly suited to them.

Seeing as youre from the UK you will know as well as anyone wot the cops r like now for speeding. Speed isnt always practical anymore as the roads are windy. You will know that it wouldnt be a good experience fighting with the clutch in a Lamborghini Diablo round the streets of London at rush hour, or having to fight with it round the twisty commuter routes from Milton Keynes, Essex etc. every day. The roads are becoming more and more congested in the UK, and cameras are cropping up on alot of the best driving roads. TRUE exotics (read Lambo's, faster Ferraris etc.) are horrible to handle at lower speeds. I know a guy with an F40 and it is almost undriveable below 75, and many supercars are like this. I agree that 911's etc. are easy to drive, but i dont class them as TRUE supercars anymore (except GT2's, GT1's and the like). A supercar is designed to be driven fast, and the handling shows in them, they dont like having to crawl to work every day at 30mph. When the car is going for it flat out then there probably arent any better roads in the world than the Welsh mountain passes, but they are a pain in the arse if youre going anything less than flat out.

Anyway, there is my views on it, i could probably have said all that lot in a couple of sentences but never mind:)

gang$tarr
07-02-2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi


As for Paragraph 2: More power to ya!!!!!! These hatchbacks are far better than any Yank Tank and hell even the Panda could show the Yanks a thing or two about rust-proofing and reliabilty :bloated: (Yes even if it is a rust-bucket)

Why do you guys hate the United States?
Seems like you guys will critisize anything that's done in the U.S. lol

Why were american cars even brought into this thread?

Most people around here drive European and Japanese anyway

Pennzoil GT-R
07-02-2002, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


Why do you guys hate the United States?
Seems like you guys will critisize anything that's done in the U.S. lol

Why were american cars even brought into this thread?

Most people around here drive European and Japanese anyway

no idea y we hate american cars, and not all of us do. its probably the same kinda reason why alot of u guys thinks vipers and vettes are the best cars in the world! i guess we all think our own manufacturers are best

Ssom
07-02-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


Why do you guys hate the United States?
Seems like you guys will critisize anything that's done in the U.S. lol

Why were american cars even brought into this thread?

Most people around here drive European and Japanese anyway


I don't HATE the US as such, I just think they made mediocre half-assed cars (If we forget C5 'Vette and Viper) I mean look at the interior of a brand new Mustang- IT IS BARELY ON PAR WITH A YUGO!!! and don't even start me on the fact they are still using live rear-axles and pushrod engines........OR the 3-speed Auto found on the Neon before they removed the ugly POS from the New Zealand market-place

And ermmmmm................I think you may have jusssssst bought them into the thread:D

Fliquer
07-02-2002, 05:38 PM
^^^you get the TRIPLE ROLL :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

gang$tarr
07-02-2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi



I don't HATE the US as such, I just think they made mediocre half-assed cars (If we forget C5 'Vette and Viper) I mean look at the interior of a brand new Mustang- IT IS BARELY ON PAR WITH A YUGO!!! and don't even start me on the fact they are still using live rear-axles and pushrod engines........OR the 3-speed Auto found on the Neon before they removed the ugly POS from the New Zealand market-place

And ermmmmm................I think you may have jusssssst bought them into the thread:D

I just found a picture of the interior of a new mustang since I've never been in one, and it doesn't look that bad to me. Not great, but for the price I don't think it's bad. Barely on par with a Yugo? I doubt that.
I dont know why you're mentioning Neons, thats like me talking about the biggest piece of shit car that comes out of europe and saying that european cars are like that.

I dont know why I'm defending American cars since I dont think my family has ever owned one, but there are decent cars like the Cadillac DTS with Nightvision, Escalade, Lincoln LS.

both European and Japanese cars are generally better than American, and I'd choose Euro or Jap over American.

I dont even remember what we were originally talking about, I just think people drive nicer cars here, seems like there are more nice cars.
That was my opinion.... me thinks

Chris
07-02-2002, 09:01 PM
The Toyota Camry only sold 1000 units in England last year, and 400000+ in the US. I believe this is a good example of the differences. And pushrods are good, the Marcos used them, Ultima does, etc, etc. Also, the Panoz GTR uses them. The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone:alien2:

Fliquer
07-03-2002, 06:34 PM
^^preach it moddy :D


(except for the pushrod part)

Ssom
07-04-2002, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by Chris
The Toyota Camry only sold 1000 units in England last year, and 400000+ in the US. I believe this is a good example of the differences. And pushrods are good, the Marcos used them, Ultima does, etc, etc. Also, the Panoz GTR uses them. The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone:alien2: But c'mon!!!! the pushrod technology has seldom changed since it's introduction, part of life is moving on, not living in the past, the pushrod technology should have far advanced. Hell even rotary technology has advanced more than pushrod technology :)

and fliquer- if you haven't got a valid opinion stay the f*** away from the thread thanks :) :D

Pennzoil GT-R
07-04-2002, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Chris
And pushrods are good, the Marcos used them, Ultima does, etc, etc. Also, the Panoz GTR uses them. The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone:alien2:

Push rods may have not advanced much, but as the old sayin goes "if it aint broke don't fix it"

Fliquer
07-04-2002, 05:03 PM
I was supporting Chris because I had said essentially the same thing (including the toyota camry example) in an earlier thread. So I think I have a valid reason for cheering.

America vs The World (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t11471.html)

IT IS BARELY ON PAR WITH A YUGO!!!

So this counts as a valid opinion? That statement is totally ridiculous. Comes across as hateful bashing. So I responded in kind...

Ssom
07-04-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Fliquer
I was supporting Chris because I had said essentially the same thing (including the toyota camry example) in an earlier thread. So I think I have a valid reason for cheering.

America vs The World (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t11471.html)



So this counts as a valid opinion? That statement is totally ridiculous. Comes across as hateful bashing. So I responded in kind...

Well, I have had a gawk at an LHD '99 Mustang Convertable in the States last time I was there and the door trims were coming apart and the Passenger airbag cover was loose, plus the radio looked as it if was on a slight 10 degree angle, they are even worse in RHD form, so I certainly have valid proof, great V8 though.

LadyBuickGS
07-05-2002, 01:37 PM
Quote "The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone":alien2:



Amen to that brother!

I love my 3800 supercharged engine! :angel:

Stefanel1
07-05-2002, 01:57 PM
I'm coming back !! ;) ... and I'll answer some questions.
Moss : my neighbours have an A6 Avant (station wagon) to have a car with room inside, the 206 3 doors and the Z3 are not vans !
I wanted to precisise that "little" cars are not bad cars, or cheap cars : they can be big inside, powerful, luxurious, and comfortable. But not big outside because, if you work in a big city, you'll have 2 more rooms (to park) as if you were in an 607 or E class.
Why did I choose a lancia Delta (which is a car as big as a Golf) ? because it's not small inside but not big outside. I bought this car as used car, and I could have bought an Alfa Romeo 164 for the same price, but it's too big, and also (it's important), it drinks less gas (1Euro/US$ for a liter).
Finally, the roads in Europe are boring (except for the highways with are the best in the world, at least in France) in the towns for example sometimes, but if you want to drive and play, it's good. But in the USA, the roads are very boring, straight lines, always and you drive at 30 mph... or almost.

Ssom
07-06-2002, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by LadyBuickGS
Quote "The 3800 series GM engine makes as much hp and more torque than comparative European engines and it gets better mileage. So leave pushrods alone":alien2:





But for every satisfied owner (ie. You) there are a lot of disatisfied owners of Holden Commodore/Statesman/Caprice V6's that would beg to differ, the Gen III V8 though is another example of how good pushrods CAN be with a little thought :coolguy:

Stephanel1: That answered my question quite well thanks :cool:I was picturing a sedan though :bloated: always pays to have a load-lugger
:)

gang$tarr
07-06-2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
and you drive at 30 mph... or almost.

or my average speed on the highway is 75-80mph (approx. 130kph)

Pennzoil GT-R
07-06-2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


or my average speed on the highway is 75-80mph (approx. 130kph)

is that you're personal average speed or the speed limit?!? the two might be very different:D When i last went to America (Florida) the limits was either 40 or 50 on the fastest roads

Fliquer
07-07-2002, 01:11 AM
Average US Highway speed limit is about 65mph today. (average, not highest).

Stefanel1
07-07-2002, 12:00 PM
gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! ;) That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

gang$tarr
07-07-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! ;) That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

I said that's my average speed :rolleyes:
meaning that is what I'm at just cruising comfortably, not speeding.
Most highways like the interstates are 65mph limit but most people drive at around 80mph or more (like fliquer said 65 is avg.)
and you said that the highways are 30mph? maybe in a residential area.
On highways I think the minimum speed is 45mph, otherwise you get a ticket.

Also in Dakota (I think it's Dakota) there are no limit freeways just like Germany.

Penzoil: I wouldnt compare Florida to the rest of the U.S. since that's pretty much a retirement state, and mostly old people live there :)

I'm surprised you guys can even get those little go-karts to go that fast on your highways haha

Pennzoil GT-R
07-07-2002, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang star, be careful, you'll have an accident : 75mph, oh, you're crazy ! ;) That's what I said, you drive slow in North America, on the highway and interstate mainly. Here (in France), the speed limit is 80-85 mph (95 in italy next year, unlimited in Germany) on the highway, and you can drive untill 100 (160 kmh) without having problems with cops. Many people drive over 100mph.

95 in italy. damn u guys are lucky. last time i went to mainland europe i wasnt able to drive so i guess i neva took much notice of roads. the highest limit on UK roads is 70, with no signs of changing. cops will b on ur ass if u go above 75:(




unfortunately the autobahns arent gonna be unlimited for much longer, and the ones that are are too busy too speed on anyway

Fliquer
07-07-2002, 08:50 PM
Many people drive over 100mph

I wish we could do that legally over here..

Stefanel1
07-08-2002, 05:41 AM
gang starr : we've not only little cars (like Twingo or Lupo) which are driving mainly in towns. But these cars ca go untill at least 100mph. And cars which are on the highways are often compact or sedans (Golf, 307, C5, E class and more). These cars can afford at least 110mph for the less powerfull.
So our "go karts" are better than you boats with a bad handling and poor motors : for example, 110 mph for a Camaro V6 : hahahaha !!! Plus, these kind of cars are drinking a lot of gas, thanks for environment and our wallet...
When I said 30mph, it was exagerated of course... I thought you saw that.
80 on an highway ? I remember driving at 85 (it was limited a 65, in nevada or California) on these roads, and I had a car of cops behind me, with all lights : I thought I had kill somebody !

Fliquer
07-08-2002, 08:55 AM
I dont think you know what you are talking about...you're saying a 110 mph capacity makes your "karts" better than our "boats"? And what makes you think our "boats" are gas guzzlers? And who wants to be driving a stiffly suspensioned, cramped little golf on a long highway trip anyway?

If you want to get into a usa vs europe debate you'd better be prepared for it.

Stefanel1
07-08-2002, 09:34 AM
I said that because gang staar said that "our go karts" could'nt go at 100 or something like that. I don't say that the max speed is most important, and I'll never say that because it's false. But that's not because a car is small that it will not be able to go at a good speed on the Highway.
I had a Golf III and made a Paris-Mastricht at an average of 170kmh, I wasn't asleep because it's a good car. Of course, it will be a little bit better in a 607 or a 5 series, but it's not the same price.
A last thing : do not forget that many people here have a medium or big car for the WE or hollidays and a small one to go to work in big cities. Another thing, generally, the women have a small car and the men, a bigger one. I thing it's stupid but it's an explaination why you see as much little cars here.
PS : I don't want a war btw EU and US !

gang$tarr
07-08-2002, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
gang starr : we've not only little cars (like Twingo or Lupo) which are driving mainly in towns. But these cars ca go untill at least 100mph. And cars which are on the highways are often compact or sedans (Golf, 307, C5, E class and more). These cars can afford at least 110mph for the less powerfull.
So our "go karts" are better than you boats with a bad handling and poor motors : for example, 110 mph for a Camaro V6 : hahahaha !!! Plus, these kind of cars are drinking a lot of gas, thanks for environment and our wallet...
When I said 30mph, it was exagerated of course... I thought you saw that.
80 on an highway ? I remember driving at 85 (it was limited a 65, in nevada or California) on these roads, and I had a car of cops behind me, with all lights : I thought I had kill somebody !

uh.. i was jus jokin. I said i'm surprised they can, not that they cant.

And I have no idea why you're bringing up american cars? American cars are crap for the most part.

And i never said oh we drive more chevy impalas and mustangs.... i said I see more BMWs, Mercedes, etc. around here than in europe.

You guys just have alot of little cars, while most of our cars are 3 series size.
Most cars driven around cities (well everywhere) are 3 series size here.
The highest selling cars are Honday Civics, I wouldnt call those "boats" that are driven around america.

Like somebody else mentioned in england there were a 1000 Toyota Camrys sold and here it was something like 400,000+
thats the difference right there...

Ssom
07-08-2002, 06:22 PM
FUCK!!!!!!! All you Europeans and Yanks should be bloody greatful that you can travel that fast :mad: :mad: :mad:

In New Zealand the open road and Highway spped limit is 60Mph OR 100 Km/h (Although I HAVE pushed it past 100MPH before on the Desrt Road)

gang$tarr
07-08-2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
FUCK!!!!!!! All you Europeans and Yanks should be bloody greatful that you can travel that fast :mad: :mad: :mad:

In New Zealand the open road and Highway spped limit is 60Mph OR 100 Km/h (Although I HAVE pushed it past 100MPH before on the Desrt Road)

lol i remember primera man sayin that its getting worse too
You guys have cameras that catch you speeding! :eek:

We had those for a couple monthes, then people complained that it's invasion of privacy and no more

i feel for you my friend.... keep your head up

Porsche
07-08-2002, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


lol i remember primera man sayin that its getting worse too
You guys have cameras that catch you speeding! :eek:

We had those for a couple monthes, then people complained that it's invasion of privacy and no more

i feel for you my friend.... keep your head up

You talking about the Cops on the bridges (Overpasses behind trees) or Red light Cams? That's what we got here. Nobody I know got one, but the red light cam takes a pic of your plate as you sail thorugh the red and mails you a fine. :flipa: :mad: Damn police efficiency!

gang$tarr
07-08-2002, 11:10 PM
I think Primera man said that the mayor of auckland or somthin has put cameras on certain streets. If you're going more than like 5km/h (i think it's 5) over the speed limit, you get a ticket sent home. I heard that the police are making HUGE amounts of money on it doing nothing but sittin on their asses eating donuts.

I think they have some in England too but not sure

LadyBuickGS
07-08-2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi


But for every satisfied owner (ie. You) there are a lot of disatisfied owners of Holden Commodore/Statesman/Caprice V6's that would beg to differ, the Gen III V8 though is another example of how good pushrods CAN be with a little thought


I've worked at GM dealerships for the past 5 years and I don't recall hearing complaints about the 3800. It's a well respected engine over here in the States.:ylsuper

Ssom
07-08-2002, 11:45 PM
Well there are two forms of Camera, one is a camera which is place high in a box which is on a pole, while the other one sits in the back of a Camry Station wagon and waits at the side of teh road (Which is the mobile version) hidden camera's were banned a while ago though:)


And LadyBuick: Here the 3.8 V6 is a V8-Underdog used only by Company Car fleets, Taxi drivers, cops and Rental Car agencies :finger:

Perhaps it is something the Aussies are doing to the engine :confused:

Pennzoil GT-R
07-09-2002, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr
I think Primera man said that the mayor of auckland or somthin has put cameras on certain streets. If you're going more than like 5km/h (i think it's 5) over the speed limit, you get a ticket sent home. I heard that the police are making HUGE amounts of money on it doing nothing but sittin on their asses eating donuts.

I think they have some in England too but not sure

England is swarmin with the damn things. there is at least 1 or 2 on every road that has a half decent volume of traffic. we now have them that time the distance it takes between 2 cameras and if u arrive at the second camera under the time limit you also get a ticket. a 3rd type is the one that has sensors in the road to detect speed, makin them totally invisible. the government has planned to increase the number of them by a factor of 7 in the next couple of years, so as u can imagine england is a pretty shitty place 2 drive/live right now.

one good thing is the cameras cant detect cars going over 170 mph, so i guess ill have to drive at that speed from now on!:D :D

LadyBuickGS
07-09-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
And LadyBuick: Here the 3.8 V6 is a V8-Underdog used only by Company Car fleets, Taxi drivers, cops and Rental Car agencies :finger:

Perhaps it is something the Aussies are doing to the engine :confused:

Maybe it is the Aussies doing something to the engine... Who knows??


I highly doubt that the car fleets, taxis, cops, & rental car agencies have ever used the 3.8 v-6 w/ the supercharged engine. It's much faster.
:flipa: Back at ya!

Ssom
07-09-2002, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by LadyBuickGS


Maybe it is the Aussies doing something to the engine... Who knows??


I highly doubt that the car fleets, taxis, cops, & rental car agencies have ever used the 3.8 v-6 w/ the supercharged engine. It's much faster.
:flipa: Back at ya!


actually cops use the Commodore S with the supercharged engine and you can lease them as well

gang$tarr
07-09-2002, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R


England is swarmin with the damn things. there is at least 1 or 2 on every road that has a half decent volume of traffic. we now have them that time the distance it takes between 2 cameras and if u arrive at the second camera under the time limit you also get a ticket. a 3rd type is the one that has sensors in the road to detect speed, makin them totally invisible. the government has planned to increase the number of them by a factor of 7 in the next couple of years, so as u can imagine england is a pretty shitty place 2 drive/live right now.

one good thing is the cameras cant detect cars going over 170 mph, so i guess ill have to drive at that speed from now on!:D :D

That's insane!
They're controlling your lives as drivers, hasnt somebody tried to argue this?
People shouldnt be told what to do!

Hope it gets better :eek:

Fliquer
07-09-2002, 10:26 PM
the government has planned to increase the number of them by a factor of 7 in the next couple of years, so as u can imagine england is a pretty shitty place 2 drive/live right now.

Thats crazy. How could u Brits let your government do that? Speed detection should be low on the list of "STUFF TO DO WITH YOUR TAX MONEY". That would never happen in the USA.

Pennzoil GT-R
07-10-2002, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Fliquer


Thats crazy. How could u Brits let your government do that? Speed detection should be low on the list of "STUFF TO DO WITH YOUR TAX MONEY". That would never happen in the USA.

we havent got a choice. people do speak out, some people even rip them down or ram them, but the government wont listen. problem is is they make so much damn money of them. they got reelected cos there is no real other alternative government at the moment, so they keep on with the same money making scheme whilst disguising it as "road safety".

Fliquer
07-10-2002, 07:52 PM
Wow, you are getting screwed royally.

gang$tarr
07-10-2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Pennzoil GT-R


we havent got a choice. people do speak out, some people even rip them down or ram them, but the government wont listen. problem is is they make so much damn money of them. they got reelected cos there is no real other alternative government at the moment, so they keep on with the same money making scheme whilst disguising it as "road safety".

I'm pretty sure those go against your human rights and they are invasion of privacy.
Thats why we had them on some highways for a couple monthes and they were gone, because people said that as a human you have the right to make decisions for yourself and no other human should be able to control that.

I think alot of people took the government to court for that (invasion of privacy, etc.)

I feel for you... fight the power!

Ssom
07-11-2002, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


I'm pretty sure those go against your human rights and they are invasion of privacy.
Thats why we had them on some highways for a couple monthes and they were gone, because people said that as a human you have the right to make decisions for yourself and no other human should be able to control that.

I think alot of people took the government to court for that (invasion of privacy, etc.)

I feel for you... fight the power!

Sorry, but there is no fighting the stubborn governments of NZ, but I kind of feel better that the cameras won't snap you unless you are exceeding the limit by 10 km/h and in Aucklands traffic congested main roads you will never get past 50 in your life, that siad, they are still worthless crap that are ripping off the NZ taxpayer and the government is clearly putting fuck-all back into the roads because they still are awful :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Although a lot of speed cameras lenses get spray-painted over by vandals :D:D:D


The lesson for NZer's is- NEVER VOTE LEFT WING!!!!!!!!

Pennzoil GT-R
07-11-2002, 07:36 PM
nah, they arent against our human rights. thats the problem with our government, our prime minister (president) is too busy lickin george bush's arse to do anythin that the people want, and the rest of the government make the laws to suit themselves, and if they dont get the money from you one way they will get it another. the cameras are just an easy way to make lots of money, so they cover themselves with laws to make sure noone dares take them on. the cameras are always hidden behind trees etc. and there are enough road accidents for the government to justify them.

they even put them on motorways now, which just makes people slam their brakes on at 70mph plus to avoid getting caught by them, causing more accidents:rolleyes:

Chris
07-11-2002, 08:57 PM
No speed cameras in Canada:D
That makes me happy.

However, you CAN make your license plate invisible. You can buy a clear plastic plate from a Canadian company, and it makes the plate unreadable by cameras but fine for people. If anyone is serious, I can find the number\website.

Ssom
07-11-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Chris
No speed cameras in Canada:D
That makes me happy.

However, you CAN make your license plate invisible. You can buy a clear plastic plate from a Canadian company, and it makes the plate unreadable by cameras but fine for people. If anyone is serious, I can find the number\website.

Yup I am getting one of those soon, I found an add in a ca magazine, no more cameras for me :D Actually if I drive past a Camry with a camera, the gy in the drivers seat can still get my number :(

Pennzoil GT-R
07-12-2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Chris
No speed cameras in Canada:D
That makes me happy.

However, you CAN make your license plate invisible. You can buy a clear plastic plate from a Canadian company, and it makes the plate unreadable by cameras but fine for people. If anyone is serious, I can find the number\website.

wot is the website please? this would make mine and alot of other british driver's lives a hell of a lot easier. Thanx:D

crayzayjay
07-12-2002, 12:16 PM
U have to be very careful with those things.... its like those people that apply gloss over their plate so when they get flashed the plate comes out very bright, unreadable.. when the police reverse the polarity the plate can be read and the driver is in a lot of trouble... i.e find out if it really works before trying it

gang$tarr
07-12-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi


Yup I am getting one of those soon, I found an add in a ca magazine, no more cameras for me :D Actually if I drive past a Camry with a camera, the gy in the drivers seat can still get my number :(

Yeah but he thinks the camera is snapping away and he wont bother :)

Ssom
07-13-2002, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


Yeah but he thinks the camera is snapping away and he wont bother :)


Yes good point :D :D

Also if you look into the interior of the car the drivers seat is reclined and it looks like the copper is asleep :finger:

taranaki
08-19-2002, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by gang$tarr


I'm pretty sure those go against your human rights and they are invasion of privacy.
Thats why we had them on some highways for a couple monthes and they were gone, because people said that as a human you have the right to make decisions for yourself and no other human should be able to control that.

I think alot of people took the government to court for that (invasion of privacy, etc.)

I feel for you... fight the power!


BAHAHAHAHA....Good to see that you still know how to post up on subjects that you know nothing about....If they hadspeed cameras in Canada,would the famous BMW 328ci appear as black or blue in the photos?

Chris
08-19-2002, 11:50 PM
Sorry about the delay, but I had to find the ad, and the AF server is going through some hard times.

the site is www.redlineauto.com (http://www.redlineauto.com)
The phone is: Orders: 1-800-725-1501
Information(Int'l): 01-613-594-7890

Fax: 613-443-0529

Ssom
08-20-2002, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by taranaki



BAHAHAHAHA....Good to see that you still know how to post up on subjects that you know nothing about....If they hadspeed cameras in Canada,would the famous BMW 328ci appear as black or blue in the photos?

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Stefanel1
11-10-2002, 06:51 AM
There are some people puting a CD on the interior mirror. Does it work if you don't want to be photografied ?

crayzayjay
11-10-2002, 07:23 AM
I seriously doubt it.

Ssom
11-10-2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Stefanel1
There are some people puting a CD on the interior mirror. Does it work if you don't want to be photografied ? odd........indeed........:confused:

Stefanel1
11-11-2002, 07:47 AM
I just heard a rumour about that... ;)

crayzayjay
11-11-2002, 08:41 AM
Ive seen a lot of cars with a CD attached to the mirror, it looks pretty funny if you ask me :D

but if you think that the CD is attached to the mirror by a string, and consider that the car is accelerating, decelerating, and turning left to right the CD will sway from side to side as well as round and round, so you would have to be very lucky if the camera takes a picture of the front of your car and the CD is blocking your face because it would have to be swayed towards your face and parallel to it too! Phew! :hehe:

Stefanel1
11-11-2002, 08:56 AM
I'd think (if it really works) that it was to refect the flash of the radar, and so your car is not on the picture !
But I'm saying it's true. I'm just asking ;)

crayzayjay
11-11-2002, 03:14 PM
I didnt think of the reflection off the CD.... nice idea... still dont think it would work though :D

Stefanel1
11-11-2002, 04:08 PM
Another solution if you don't want to get a fine : shot the radars (an English did it) : http://actualite.free.fr/actu.pl?doc=insolite/3_2002-11-11T204112Z_01_MAT170729_RTRIDST_0_OFROE-GB-CAMERAS-SNIPER.XML
:D

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