OK Nissan.....it is time to pay up. Ever since the late 80's you guys have given us a 2.4 for our cars and gave the Sivila all the glory. To make matters worse, the Altima was given the option of a V6.
Well it is time you folks get creative again and give us the 350SX.

What should it look like?
The S15 with a 3.5? - I like this idea!
The S16 with a 3.5? - What ya got Nissan?

What do you folks think?

Mike
97 240SX

I'd like to know the marketing strategy behind having two RWD sports coupes with he same engine.

Honestly I'd be happy with the s15 coming here even if it only came with a ka24de.

i can not think of one rwd turbo car in production sold in america. thats terrible! isufvbiusdnfbuisdnfbuiosdnfbuiosdnfbuiosdnfbiousdn b

the altima and maxima are similar with the same engine, both are family sedans. I think the 350sx and 350z could co-exist. Although it would confuse people, maybe they could call it the SilviaSX, or something

True, their engines are similar, but the selling points of the sedan market are different than the sports car market. The 350z is marketed as as high-performance car and nothing else. A 350sx would basically offer all the high-selling points of the 350Z in an even LIGHTER and CHEAPER package - therefore making the 350Z undesireable..

The base model 350Z already kind of fills the slot a 350SX would aim at. Think MSRP on those is like low 20s or something. The next lowest peg, cost and performance wise, would mean a different engine and different chassis. Its probably not worth it right now to build a whole new car just for this section of car buyers. But then again they've built the new Z and a new Skyline so maybe down the road.

why do you need that big ass picture in your signature?

imo, since the silvia line is gonna be discontinued, the 240sx line should stay off the market (or 350sx crap whatever).

Doesn't Volvo or Saab or one of those guys make turbo RWD cars?

imo, since the silvia line is gonna be discontinued, the 240sx line should stay off the market (or 350sx crap whatever).
The "Silvia" line, or S-chassis line has already been halted. They stopped production in 2001.

yeah thats what i meant anyways

personally I don't like the idea but I would say they need to produce something else at a decent price with either a 4cyl turbo or v6, with I'd say atleast 210-225hp and about the same torque, I'd say they need to go with a different body style than the 350z, rx8, s2000, and deffinately not like the wrx... it should be something somewhat simple, not all futuristic like other companies are trying to do, I'd be curious what someone could do with a mix of like the s15, a supra, fd rx7, and a corvette. anyone here good with photoshop or know someone who is? I'd say pieces of those cars should mix but not look like anything else still(resemble the s15 more than the others though and stay at a light bodyweight aswell) just something I came up with in the last 15 min. of reading this, thinking about it, and typing it :iceslolan but back to the engine, I wouldn't want anything bigger than a 3.0 and nothing smaller than the 2.4, but it deffinately needs over 200hp and 200lbs and weigh under 2800lbs

needs a power sliding moonroof, they should make it in a hatch and coupe style(maybe, depending on the design) stock wheels 16x6.5 maybe

if I could only draw maybe I could try and design one myself :loser:

I think the next silvia needs to be a light, short-wheelbase turbo that competes with the RSX, celica, and the rest of the pocket rockets. And it DEFINITELY needs to have a hatch.

:2cents: I don't know but why would Nissan compete with its own class? 350z with 240sx? It does not make any senses. And the North American Market will go for the more horsepower one, the Z, and exclude the 240. Especially when the pries would be a couple of grands deferens!

Thru there are 240 enthusiasts but it’s not enough to start the lunch of the line. Why do you think Honda discontinued the prelude? It was competing with the Integra, it cost money to make 2 diff models, might as well make one that appeals to both kind of customers! plus the Z and G35 are selling well, why mess with a good thing? :sly:

Don’t get me wrong, I love the 240 but the NAM consumption is directed toward SUV’s, Trucks, and cheap fast cars i.e. Neon’s, WRX’s, and Mazda Protogé.

I think! :uhoh: :sly: :rofl:

im with awdsr20

tnxs thelogikal1 :)

i can not think of one rwd turbo car in production sold in america. thats terrible! isufvbiusdnfbuisdnfbuiosdnfbuiosdnfbuiosdnfbiousdn b
mr2

yup mr2 is turbo and rwd, although its acctually the mr2 spyder if you wanna be correct about it haha
and yes I'm pretty sure either volvo or saab make a turbo rwd car, if not both of them, I know they have turbos just don't know if they are rwd or not
what about porshe?

and does the s2000 have a turbo?

no turbo for s2k

so what engine does it have? what the numbers on it? they are fast from what I know

so what engine does it have? what the numbers on it? they are fast from what I know
inline 4 cyl 2157cc making 240hp at 7.8krpm i believe

six speed and yes, verey quick

also has a fun engine start button....like the old shelbys or something?

also has a fun engine start button....like the old shelbys or something?

can you say baller?

i believe its 14$ to make your car a baller.... u can buy an engine start button...

but i dunno if the key has to be in or whaaat?

YAY!! i just wired up my ciggaret lighter so it can stay on EVEN IF the key is not in!!

yay now i can leave my celfone to charge in the car

Then lets take the 300Z engine and drop that in with a bell housing large enough to bolt onto the Nissan 6 spd. tranny.

Hey....went the took their truck engine and dropped it into the 240 we need a little motion in the right direction for a change.

The S15 looks good and the future of the S16, that did not hit the marked but was on paper, looked great as well.
I'm sorry but the 2.5 and the V Spec is not what I have in mind what so ever.

Turbo's with Nissan (and the other ricer manufacturers) is what killed the cost in all of their vehicles and that is what they want to stay away from. A repeat performance is not what they are looking for right now.
I like the 300Z engine and that what it should have. Or ya can take the engine out of an older 300Z turbo, rebuild the engine and tranny (complete drive train, including suspension upgrades and so on) and head for sceaming time.

The car is underpowered and we'll NEVER forget it ( I owned 200SE-R until some fool decided to make a u-turn in from of me and destroy the car and sent me to the hospital.....anyway)

Nissan owes us.....they owe me anyways.

yup mr2 is turbo and rwd, although its acctually the mr2 spyder if you wanna be correct about it haha


i dont think that newest mr2 had turbo (2000+?)

i know the older model had it (3s-gte), but im pretty sure the current mr2 isnt boosting. (i may be wrong, but im pretty sure im right)



The S15 looks good and the future of the S16

lets get this straight. there is no s16. there will not be any s16. the s16 is not going to be manufactured.

and no, turbo is not what killed nissan. japanese emission laws are the cause of the decrease in turbo'd vehicles.

and no, we do not have a truck engine. i hate when people call the ka24 a truck engine. the truck engine is in the hardbody and is made in mexico. the 240sx ka24 is made in japan.

and no, the 240sx is not underpowered. its strong enough to spin you wheels and break traction whenever you want. more power isnt even nessecary considering nissan didnt design this car for fag racing, i mean drag racing.

and lastly, nissan doesnt owe us. and doesnt owe you. they are a very reputable manufacturer and if it wasnt for my perverted love of the fc3s, id probably stay with nissan for my next car.

dont bother talking back, because i was being very polite in this response. stop sayin dumb stuff.

:2cents:

there will not be any s16. the s16 is not going to be manufactured.

If this is true (and I HOPE TO GOD it isnt), I would like to see the press statement where nissan said they would not build a S16.

It would be a terrible mistake for them not to build a S16, considering the massive popularity the S15 enjoys today, even after production has ceased.

It just wouldnt be logikal. :grinno:

An S16, especially with a V6, is quite doable. It would also fill the big performance gap between the Sentra SE-R and 350Z.The VQ is available in more sizes than just 3.5L. Nissan can simply use a smaller one, either 2L, 2.5L, or 3L.

Personally, I think the VQ25DE would work best. The NA version makes anywhere from 187hp up to 215hp, and the turbo variant(already in production) makes '276hp.' Offer a base level 250SX with 187hp, and a 250SX turbo with, say, 230hp. This would give it a healthy output, yet it keep out of the Z's territory.

Why not use the QR? Until recently, it wasn't even used in rwd applications, and there isn't a turbo variant available from the factory. That means development time and money must be used to create one. Using the VQ25DET will save retooling costs, since the FM platform was probably not designed with I4s in mind. The VQ may have greater tuning potential as well. Since the VQs are oversquare motors, they will have a sportier(revvier) character than the uber-long stroke QR25, so even if the power was equal, the VQ25 would probably be the more enjoyable drive.

The 250SX could be based on the FM chassis. Nissan can use the G35 Coupe's long wheelbase(compared to 350Z) variant so that the car will have 4 seats.

Pricing? It gets a little complex. How about $19-24k? Offer the car kinda stripped to begin with to keep prices down, then if customers want options, make 'em cheap. The SE-R can have a price drop to make room for the 250SX.

Different trims levels can be offered, like on the 350Z.
Sport: Only four speakers(maybe just two in the front!), no leather, no Xenon lights, no Navi, etc. Either 15 or 16 inch wheels. Lightweight stripper, great car to start out with.
Touring: Six speaker Bose stereo. Leather, Xenon lights, Navi optional. 17 inch wheels. Comfortable, but still a bit sporty.
Track: A Sport model with stiffer springs, 4-piston Brembos, and forged 17 inch Rays wheels. The ultimate.

Another way to think about this is that tons of people love the G35 Coupe, but can't afford it. They don't want the 350Z, because it's still a bit expensive, and only has two seats. With the 250SX, these entry level customers would get the best of both worlds.

Nissan should either consider this, or offer a cheaper, base level Z or something. Take out the Xenon, leather seats, etc, and bring the price down to around $23k. Smaller wheels could help too. The power can also come down, if needed. Detune the VQ35 to 240hp, and people should still be happy. I remember that Europe was supposed to get a base Z with only a 190hp VQ30DE, but I don't think it worked out.

If this is true (and I HOPE TO GOD it isnt), I would like to see the press statement where nissan said they would not build a S16.

It would be a terrible mistake for them not to build a S16, considering the massive popularity the S15 enjoys today, even after production has ceased.

It just wouldnt be logikal. :grinno:



lol

am i the only one that has heard that the silvia line will be put on ice?

i mean, the obvious death of the legendary "sr20", is definately a sign that the silvia line will be no more. or atleast, a "pure" silvia line.

like how the new gt-r will no longer be called gt-r since the rb series was put to a rest.

im almost positive that the silvia line will be long gone. i wouldnt be surprised if a new line of low-class rwd cars come as offspring from the silvia generation, but i highly doubt it will retain the name.

as for 240,250,350sx....f*ck that, i cant stand alpha numeric names on cars unless its a bimmer or benz. the name 240sx is so ugly. if they do make a new line of cars how bout something less bmw-wannabe?

imagine, high speed dorifto in your brand new, high-powered, rwd.....nancy!!!

or heather!?

how bout bonita? give it a lil ghetto gangsta kinda twist.


eh, i dunno, im high right now.

how about we take the QR25DE from the specV.... slap the JDM QR20DE crankshaft to lower the displacement and allow for higher redline and tweaked power band. give the engine a wilder cam... an throw on a t28 for good measure. this CAN pass emissions and it would be a crazy engine if they could put it in a new s16..


oh and one more thing, never doubt the s16's arrival. nissan did it to the Z,and they will also revive the skyline.. its just a matter of time.. and be glad that it doesnt come out now, because u prob. dont got the money anways,and when you're older you can have a infinity m45 for the family and an s16 souped to the tits for sunday drifting. :)

how about we take the QR25DE from the specV.... slap the JDM QR20DE crankshaft to lower the displacement and allow for higher redline and tweaked power band. give the engine a wilder cam... an throw on a t28 for good measure. this CAN pass emissions and it would be a crazy engine if they could put it in a new s16..

That means more development time and costs, which will be passed on to the consumer. We want something affordbable, remember?

The VQ25DET already exists and is more than capable of producing the power a Silvia would require. In fact, it would probably have to be detuned to keep from cannibalizing Z sales.

[COLOR=darkolivegreen]TheLogikal1 - please keep your rude comments to yourself and quite being the FOOL of the form. If you have something constructive to say or don't add your foolishness and rude smart ass comment to my posts.

I used to chase guys like you home after school.

There is always a Mr. Know it all smart ass trying to get attention everywhere he goes. No logic your to I'm sorry to say.

And your comments are all incorrect my I add.

[COLOR=darkolivegreen]TheLogikal1 - please keep your rude comments to yourself and quite being the FOOL of the form. If you have something constructive to say or don't add your foolishness and rude smart ass comment to my posts.

I used to chase guys like you home after school.

There is always a Mr. Know it all smart ass trying to get attention everywhere he goes. No logic your to I'm sorry to say.

And your comments are all incorrect my I add.
but he was high, so its all good

its justified

he he he he .... it all good....

keep it cool... :)

[COLOR=darkolivegreen]TheLogikal1 - please keep your rude comments to yourself and quite being the FOOL of the form. If you have something constructive to say or don't add your foolishness and rude smart ass comment to my posts.

I used to chase guys like you home after school.

There is always a Mr. Know it all smart ass trying to get attention everywhere he goes. No logic your to I'm sorry to say.

And your comments are all incorrect my I add.


Cry me a river. He was correct in every single thing he stated. Everything. If you can't deal with being FACED(beeitch), then do some research. And change your font color.

The Silvias are done, just like the GT-R, just like the Supra, just like the FD3S, and most other turboed Japanese exotics. This isn't even new news people. Wake up and read the news. Japan recently passed tougher emissions laws that made it nearly impossible for alot of the sports cars to comply, so most of them were discontinued. There will be no "S16," at least not in the traditional SR20 sense. The SR20 is over 10 years old now, older than the RB26 I believe.


It's all about the money(its all about the dum, diddyshootme). Nissan does not in fact owe us anything. It gave the world the GT-R. They could decide to never produce another car again, and they would still not owe us shit because it gave us such wonderful machinery. Im way too high and way too tired to argue with newbies. Nighty night.


*edit: Oh, by the way, this isn't YOUR post. Just because you created it doesn't mean you own it. Igor does. Him and Brian are the only people who can tell someone to not post. AF is an open board. kthx.

wow this thread is gonna end up being as long as the whore thread with all this arguing and talk about things that will never happen...

The Silvia has already been discontinued along with the (TRUE) Skyline because of new emission standards in Japan... no more turbocharged cars in its lineup. Bringing back the Silvia as an S16 with the 3.5 liter QR35DE seems unlikely to me with the newer 350z/Fairlady and G35/V35 Skyline in the mix. It would not be a true Silvia with such a big heavy engine.
What we need (and what we really want) is another RWD Inline 4 from Nissan... Turbocharged or not!!! But with all these FAST&FURIOUS kids wanting FWD type Civic-cars... our only affordable 4-banger is gonna be the Spec-V SER Sentra. NISSAN!!! Give us what we non-juvenile mature guys want-!

2005 Mazdaspeed Miata

what more could you ask for?

2005 Mazdaspeed Miata

what more could you ask for?

No thanks... LOL

Sorry, gotta stick with Nissan. Isn't there a supercharger/twin-turbo kit for the 350z already? Yum. How bout that AWD G35 that uses the modified Skyline ATTESSA system? Too bad it's only on the Sedan?... (even funnier when you smoke someone)

It's all about the money(its all about the dum, diddyshootme). Nissan does not in fact owe us anything. It gave the world the GT-R.
Nissan gave Japan the GT-R. Most other folks in Australia and Europe were fortunate enough to get some as grey imports. The UK only got about 50 per year. Under Carlos Ghosn however, the next GT-R will be sold globally. Everyone wins.

The Silvia has already been discontinued along with the (TRUE) Skyline because of new emission standards in Japan... no more turbocharged cars in its lineup. Bringing back the Silvia as an S16 with the 3.5 liter QR35DE seems unlikely to me with the newer 350z/Fairlady and G35/V35 Skyline in the mix. It would not be a true Silvia with such a big heavy engine.

What we need (and what we really want) is another RWD Inline 4 from Nissan... Turbocharged or not!!!
True Skylines are sporty sedans and coupes. The V35 and CPV35 are still very much true Skylines. In fact, they are probably among the best Skylines ever.

A VQ35DE-powered S16 obviously wouldn't make sense. That's why there are smaller displacements already available, ranging from 2L, 2.5L, and 3L, with 3.3L and 3.2L hybrids that can be custom built by swapping parts. Like I said earlier, the 2.5L variant would be perfect. Smaller than the 350Z engine, yet powerful enough in its own right. In fact, the displacement is probably 24xxcc, so the S16 could technically be called the 240SX again.

Fyi, the VQ would weigh about as much as the KA, probably less. Mounted longitudinally for rwd, it would actually provide better weight distribution than an I4.:icon16:

The QR25 will be starting rwd duty as the base engine in the '05 Frontier, but is still unsuitable for a sporting application like the Silvia. The QR20 is more fitting, but it may not have the torque to move a vehicle based on the heavy FM platform.

On the other hand the VQ revs eagerly, makes plenty of torque, and is quite capable in NA or turbo form. Additionally, the turbo VQs already in production are still emissions compliant.

All your views have good points... but it will not happen my friend (S16 or RWD affordable 240-like car). Not here in America anyhow... we get stuck with all the bratty FWD or high-priced sedans. We get lucky if we get the 350z/G35 over here but those are not the Silvia's/240's/prices that we had back in the day. There is no between.
As for an inline VQ (don't they have these already?) or QR in a car... this seems again very unlikely... we got stuck with the fwd NA SR20 in the Sentra and 200sx and never got the Turbo rwd SR20 back in the day. Although we did get the underdog KA motor in our USDM 240. America wants non-gas-guzzling FWD cars... Look what happend with the Corrolla!
However, I do hope we get what you and I want! Maybe we should petition to Nissan... huh, guys-??
---1viadrft

VQuick,
.... and by the way: the true Skyline is the GTR! From the beginning!

---1viadrft

Let me clue a few of you guys in on US market trends and how they affected sports cars:

In the early 90s, gas prices were at an all-time low and people were gobbling up SUVs by the thousands. However the recent market fall steered many car buyers toward practicality vs fun. The late 80s were a period where high-end sports cars (ie ferrari, porsche, vette) did not offer the performance or reliability that their prices reflected. With their image severely jaded, the downward spiral of sportscar sales had begun.

The svx, RX-7 and 300zx were dopped by the end 96 with the 240sx following shortly afterwards. This is why we didnt get the S15 over here. (and we didnt get the turbo motor earlier because it would have competed with the NA 300zx - which had been a strong seller for nissan for the previous decade).

Today however, gas prices are staying high and suv sales, while still strong, are declining. Most baby boomers are going through their mid-lif-crisis'. Generation Y (characterized by highly intelligent, enterprising, hardworking youth) is reaching first-new-car age, and with the recent growth of the street-racing/drift culture many are determined to buy sporty cars. America is experiencing a rebirth of the sports car, and nissan knows this.

It would be pure insanity for nissan to not be planning a cheap rwd pocketrocket (read ORIGINAL silvia, not the S15) in the next 4 years.

Fliquer,
I agree that's what we all want and what Nissan and other Companies should do. Make affordable RWD sports cars! However, if you look at Mistubishi's LanEvo8 (albight a little expensive and AWD), even though it's been crowned Car of the Year... sales aren't going so well. Sports cars are just making it in the market. Maybe (and hopefully) we are in a great transition from FWD and Expensive Sports to an affordable RWD package. I'm just merely stating that this seems unlikely with all the affordable cars being FWD Civics, Sentras, Cavaliers, Neons and EXPENSIVE 350s, G35s, RX8s just barely making it. Hopefully I am wrong, sir.

---1viadrft

350zs are selling very very well, and at 26k I wouldnt say they are expensive at all. Evos are selling so well that mitsu is considering bringing in the RS model sometime next year.

not expensive-? my version of non-expensive is $18-22 thousand! 350z not expensive-? geez... will you buy me one then-???

Let me clue a few of you guys in on US market trends and how they affected sports cars:

In the early 90s, gas prices were at an all-time low and people were gobbling up SUVs by the thousands. However the recent market fall steered many car buyers toward practicality vs fun. The late 80s were a period where high-end sports cars (ie ferrari, porsche, vette) did not offer the performance or reliability that their prices reflected. With their image severely jaded, the downward spiral of sportscar sales had begun.

The svx, RX-7 and 300zx were dopped by the end 96 with the 240sx following shortly afterwards. This is why we didnt get the S15 over here. (and we didnt get the turbo motor earlier because it would have competed with the NA 300zx - which had been a strong seller for nissan for the previous decade).

Today however, gas prices are staying high and suv sales, while still strong, are declining. Most baby boomers are going through their mid-lif-crisis'. Generation Y (characterized by highly intelligent, enterprising, hardworking youth) is reaching first-new-car age, and with the recent growth of the street-racing/drift culture many are determined to buy sporty cars. America is experiencing a rebirth of the sports car, and nissan knows this.

It would be pure insanity for nissan to not be planning a cheap rwd pocketrocket (read ORIGINAL silvia, not the S15) in the next 4 years.

:worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy
I think Mazda and Nissan are both planning a small cheap 4cyl(maybe rotory for mazda but doubt it) car for the near future and Toyota and Mitsubishi will be planning a slightly bigger car with a V6 costing a little more... I could be way off, but thats what I'm expecting in the next few years...


heres a price list for 2004 cars from motor trend
Mustang Cobra $34,600
Ford Mustang Mach 1 $29,000
Mazda Rx-8 $25,200
Nissan 350z $30,500
Pontiac GTO $31,800
Infiniti G35 $32,500
Audi TT $33,300
BMW Z4 $33,200
Mercedes-Benz C320 $27,700
Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder $28,800
Subaru Impreza WRX STi $31,000
Honda Accord $26,500
Toyota Celica GTS $23,600
Toyota Solara $23,000

not all in the same class really but I just threw in just about any sports/sporty/some-what-sporty car I saw...

I just hope mazda keeps pushing the RX-8 and people start modding those and the price of the FC TII and FD RX-7's drop :iceslolan

A 300SX could cost 25k and be worth every dime. With 250HP it would be a winner. No turbo to worry about and for sure no swap.
Swaps are nice but with all the wiring and ECU stuff to worry about it is not the prime driving car but a second vehicle. My 240 will have 240HP w/o a turbo and that is getting there. With the turbo 300HP is all one needs while everything else, less the clutch is stock. What money will do.....

all i know is that all the new cars are ugly.....jus compare all of those listed to the previous generation

especially the g35 and rx8

those prices are listed in base form. 350z base form is 26k. The 30k one is the enthusiast trim. And you forgot S2000, another good competitor, it's at $32,000

id rather have a s2k over a z33 anyday

S2k over Z, humm ... i think the s2k has more after market suport "i think" but dude were nissan people right! So pick the Z!


:evillol:

nissan is gay now.... look at their lineup of cars

pieces of shit.... the 350z looks liek a space ship...

actually, every car maker as gone the way of the PT cruiser.. GAYNESS

the onyl cars left in this world are the s2000 and altezza....

$26k is relatively cheap i think, considering the performance you get. 300zxTTs were $35k+ new I think, and that was 10 years ago when $35k would get you a new vette.

BTW, personaly I'd get a Z over a S2000 b/c its cheaper and the engine has more potential. Plus it looks so much better IMO.

My 240 will have 240HP w/o a turbo and that is getting there

240hp on a N/A KA24? Sounds interesting, what have you done?

:2cents: Well look at this way, even dedicated enthusiast car companies are trading their legacy and enthusiasm for profit; take the Porsh cayan...
WTF are Porsh thinking, suv? what next a mini van! :loser:

Nissans are trying, there the first to jump start the japanis speed cars market in the US by introducing the Z, give them that at least!

Its not as bad as it seems. Though I detest the cayenne, I am glad it exists. Without it there would be no Carrera GT.

Cayenne, I cant even spell it he he , what dose it mean? i think it means some kind of spices... I don't know....

it means shit in latin

Lol

just my 2 cents

with the "recently" released 350z, rx-8, s2000, new imprezas it seems as if the 6cyl market is quite competetive however if you look at the 4cyl sports car market u get the celicas, rsx, mr-2 spyders...but where exaclty is nissan competing with these 4cyl coupes....i dont see one, and not to mention the "slump" nissan had during the 90's, they are a replenished and thriving company with a new breed of cars, the x-terra pulled them out of the hole...the new altimas and maximas led the way, and the 350 is a feat of mechanical genius, they now are just beginning to introduce the Titan, which im sure if its anything like the altimas, maximas etc. will also be an amazing automobile. With this new energy and sense of direction, they almost have to come out with a 4cyl coupe to compete with the sleek competetion.

it may not be an sx, although many of us think that with the new Z, a new sx might be hopefull, the Z cars have been around over 4 decades, and the sx is relatively new, yes there may never be another silvia or sx, but perhaps in the near future we will see another creation by this great company, that although its not called a sx/silvia, we will know where its roots came from.....one of the few great 4cyl rwds ever made (in our time)...the 240sx

I just want some companies to make some simple looking cars... all the new cars are all hightech bubble looking and gay, they kinda have the curves of a porche but they are like double the size and ugly... oh well, old rich people will buy plenty of them I guess

the way I see it is this, America will never see a car that looks like the old muscle cars that domestic tuners love and Japan will never see a car that is so suttle in looks as the great cars of the 80's and 90's... car companies are always trying to find the new trend, but really they just destroy the great cars they started with... I think every car should be based of an earlier version with maybe one new car every 8-10years, but I also don't own any car companies lol

^^Ah, you ARE aware that the only V6 among the cars you mentioned was the Z? The S2000 and Impreza are both 4cylinder powered.

And currently nissan has the SE-R spec V to compete in the low-end market.

VQuick,
.... and by the way: the true Skyline is the GTR! From the beginning!

---1viadrft
Do you realize that you're saying? That's like saying the only true BMW 3-series is the M3. :loser:

There was no GT-R in the beginning. In the beginning, there was no Nissan Skyline. It was built by a company known as Prince, who was later bought out by Nissan.

^^Ah, you ARE aware that the only V6 among the cars you mentioned was the Z? The S2000 and Impreza are both 4cylinder powered.

And currently nissan has the SE-R spec V to compete in the low-end market.

sorry, yes it was a long day for me yesterday, i dont kno what i was thinking about the s2000, but it would still fall into the 4cyl category as hondas "entry", making just one more competitor, and yes...the subaru too is a 4cyll.... :banghead: i dont kno what i was thinking....however the subarau sti as well as the new lancer evos.....are turbocharged...whoever said that turbos are declining....apparently, some of the brand new 2004's are made with turbos...and might i add they ARE available in the US....factory turbos arent dead

and yes, with the Z only pushing 287, a 215hp "sx" would be too close of a competitor to the Z, i think that nissan simply chose the glory of the Z to move on, and i think they did a good job, just no luck for us SXers, maybe theyll make a turbo'ed 350 in a year or two, the only problem is 300 seems to be the high end of the 20-40k budget in america, if you look at all those cars listed above, most (if not all...dont feel like checking the stats) have a higher end or stock package that gives the driver between 200-300 hp, alot of those cars are 4cyl, why, because they are better on gas, lighter, easier to make, and easier to fix (at least from what ive heard) so why not focus on making 4cyl some where in the mid 200s. the 350z make 287 hp, the sti is putting out 300, could you turbo the Z, yes, but for the average consumer, it seems alot nicer when u buy a car that is all assembled the way u want when u buy it....not to say many of us dont like working on our cars....but the general population

again...just my opinion (thanks for the correction Fliquer)

3.5 litre V6 S15 sounds like an utter absolute tranvesty

and a 350SX sounds like a pointless idea. Why bother? There's already the 350Z and the new skyline. It would be pointless for nissan to have three cars with the same engine.

nissan is an idiot, they are next to mitsubishi and mazda in reliability....

im trying to slel my piece of shit and the front seal is leaking i jus found out today.....

and i thoguth it was the thermo sensor.....

im thinking of selling all my cars to get like a year 2000 accord or something.....

something that i wont have to fix everyday....

NOT! :)

I say they make a 2.6(do they have those?) or some type of large 4cyl non-turbo(not the KA though) not that I don't like the KA but we need something new... like a TR26DE, thats a cool sounding one haha but they should make it have like 180hp and 180lbs torque(give or take 10hp or lbs) and should stress getting the car to be under 2700lbs. make it about the same size as a 240/silvia/rx7(FC)/S2000 but focus on suspension big time, I would say base suspension off of the rx7 just because it is amazing at highspeeds and has the best lateral acceleration, it would be the best new drift/auto x car on the market. make it stock with 16x7 wheels and like 225/45H16 tires(or something close)

make it available in coupe or hatchback like the 240 but only a 2 seater with cargo boxes in the back like FC the rx7. looks should be based off of the front of a 3000gt(because it has an agressive look stock) or an FD3S rx-7, and yes it should have flip up head lights. then the back of an S2000 on the coupe and the back of either a supra or viper on the hatch.. I'm not saying look exactly like them but just kinda take ideas from them for the design. I don't know, just a thought.

basically give it a natural sport look with nice curves without going crazy and making it look bubbly, give it great suspension, fairly decent power, comfortable ride with comfy bucket seats, do a lot of engine testing to make sure its as reliable as possible, and mass produce the 5spds and keep production of auto low.

standard: CD player, tilt wheel, cruise, power locks and windows, 16x7 wheels, small rear wing(like FC RX7), whatever else comes standard on most sports cars now days lol

optional: sliding moonroof or sunroof(whatever the difference is), leather interior, auto adjust suspension, 17x7.5 wheels, larger rear wing(like turbo supras), tinted windows, and some other stuff maybe, I don't know what all options cars come with haha

and ofcourse it must be front engine/rear wheel

:2cents:

and yes, with the Z only pushing 287, a 215hp "sx" would be too close of a competitor to the Z

Not really. Don't forget, sticking with Silvia tradition, the S16 would have to be a four seater. That probably means that an FM-based S16 would have to use the G35's longer wheelbase to make room for the rear seats. That also means more weight for the S16, which will help slow it down a bit and set it below the Z.

The 350Z weighs somewhere around 3188lbs, and produces 287hp. That makes for a power to weight ratio of 180hp/ton.

The G35 Coupe weighs 3435lbs, and has 280hp. The power to weight for it is around 163hp/ton.

The S16 would probably weigh somewhere between the G35 Coupe and the Z. Let's be optimistic, and say it's 3200lbs. I personally wouldn't be surprised if it were more, especially if Nissan used the G35 Coupe's wide track variant of the platform. The G35 sedan's version would save some weight, and the narrower body would further differentiate the Silvia from the Z, G35 Coupe, and GT-R.

The maximum production output for a VQ25DE is 215hp so far. That gives my proposed Silvia a power to weight ratio of 134hp/ton.

With the 240hp VQ25DET I suggested, the ratio improves to 150/ton.

Only with the full tune 276hp VQ25DET do you get very close to the Z, with 172hp/ton.

Even if the Silvia is cheaper, it won't steal sales from the Z, because it simply won't be fast enough. This will be a great entry-level car for folks just getting into the world of Nissan sports cars.

1. SE-R: A good four door sport compact.
2. Silvia: Entry-level enthusiast.
3. 350Z: Mid-level, "macho" car.
4. G35 Coupe: Luxury sports car.
5. GT-R: The ultimate sports car.

Oh, I just though I'd mention one other option.

Renault has a new 2L turbo 4 banger that makes 230hp. If you want a turbo 4 in the S16 anytime soon, that might be your best and cheapest option.

Sure Nissan can do some R&D and boost the QR, but that will take more time and money. Feel like waiting longer and paying more money?

The S16 would probably weigh somewhere between the G35 Coupe and the Z. Let's be optimistic, and say it's 3200lbs.

thats so dumb

lets say they did make an s16.....

and it did weigh 3200 lbs......

im shoot myself in the mouth.

the lightest supra is 3498 lbs.SUPRA.

SUPRA= the moby dick of japanese sports cars.

its heavy garbage.

the silvia is known for its light-weight-ness (if thats even a word)


thats all i hafta say about that

yea my idea is definately the best... :)

yea my idea is definately the best... :)

And also the most expensive. There's no such thing as a TR motor. Is Nissan just supposed to whip one up?

standard: CD player, tilt wheel, cruise, power locks and windows, 16x7 wheels, small rear wing(like FC RX7), whatever else comes standard on most sports cars now days lol
optional: sliding moonroof or sunroof(whatever the difference is), leather interior, auto adjust suspension, 17x7.5 wheels, larger rear wing(like turbo supras), tinted windows, and some other stuff maybe, I don't know what all options cars come with haha

Look at your choice of equipment. And you want this thing to be affordable?? :disappoin

Compare that to this:

Different trims levels can be offered, like on the 350Z.
Sport: Base model. Only four speakers(maybe just two in the front!), no leather, no Xenon lights, no Navi, etc. Either 15 or 16 inch wheels. Lightweight stripper, great car to start out with for ~$18k.
Touring: Six speaker Bose stereo. Leather, Xenon lights, Navi optional. 17 inch wheels. Comfortable, but still a bit sporty. Maxes out at ~$24k.
Track: A Sport model with stiffer springs, 4-piston Brembos, and forged 17 inch Rays wheels. The ultimate, costing up to ~$24k.



You're hardly living up to your SN on that one. You can't have everything in this world. Do you want to try waiting for Nissan to make a lightweight rwd platform for the Silvia? If so, be my guest. Just don't go holding your breath.

If you want a Silvia that is actually viable for production now, affordable, has the potential for sales in the US, and still quite capable, then something along the lines of my idea is our chance.

And also the most expensive. There's no such thing as a TR motor. Is Nissan just supposed to whip one up?

standard: CD player, tilt wheel, cruise, power locks and windows, 16x7 wheels, small rear wing(like FC RX7), whatever else comes standard on most sports cars now days lol

Look at your choice of equipment. And you want this thing to be affordable?? :disappoin

Compare that to this:

Different trims levels can be offered, like on the 350Z.
Sport: Base model. Only four speakers(maybe just two in the front!), no leather, no Xenon lights, no Navi, etc. Either 15 or 16 inch wheels. Lightweight stripper, great car to start out with for ~$18k.
Touring: Six speaker Bose stereo. Leather, Xenon lights, Navi optional. 17 inch wheels. Comfortable, but still a bit sporty. Maxes out at ~$24k.
Track: A Sport model with stiffer springs, 4-piston Brembos, and forged 17 inch Rays wheels. The ultimate, costing up to ~$24k..


You're hardly living up to your SN on that one. You can't have everything in this world. Do you want to try waiting for Nissan to make a lightweight rwd platform for the Silvia? If so, be my guest. Just don't go holding your breath.

If you want a Silvia that is actually viable for production now, affordable, has the potential for sales in the US, and still quite capable, then something along the lines of my idea is our chance.


it seems to me that your listing down a bunch of totaly general things and putting a price tag on it. :nono:

i can do that too. i want a rwd, with cd, p/w, p/w, moonroof, turbo, stock fang kit, 18 inch alloys, and i want it for 5 grand, but thats not happenin

soyo listed very practical standard equipment. i havent ridden in any modern car with out that equipment standard.


then you use words like "sporty" and "the ultimate" but you dont even describe what thats supossed to mean. comfortable like the new civic? ultimate like the enzo ferrari? are you like 13? 14 or something?

and rays wheels? hahaha thats such a joke man. even the evolution ($30+k) cant afford rays.

brembos?

dude, youre off your rocker. the things you say just make me wanna mash my mushu.

:2cents:

everything soyo said is so much more imaginable/practical/realistic then yours

Do you realize that you're saying? That's like saying the only true BMW 3-series is the M3. :loser:

There was no GT-R in the beginning. In the beginning, there was no Nissan Skyline. It was built by a company known as Prince, who was later bought out by Nissan.



No-no-no-no-no-no-no! My friend! :screwy: The first car WAS a GTR... not a SKYLINE-!

---1viadrft

No-no-no-no-no-no-no! My friend! :screwy: The first car WAS a GTR... not a SKYLINE-!

---1viadrft

Prove it. The first Skyline was manufactured by Prince in 1955. Prince merged with Nissan in 1966. The first GT-R didn't come along until the 1969-72 body. It was powered by the 160hp L20 I6.

everything soyo said is so much more imaginable/practical/realistic then yours

That's right. Let's just wait for Nissan to build a whole new motor and chassis! Maybe we'll get it by 2030. :rolleyes:

How on earth do you expect a modern Silvia to weigh 2700lbs?? The 240SX hasn't been that light in nearly 10 years. It's a fact of life. Cars get more modern, the gov't requires more safety equipment, and cars get heavier.
Now, one of the only ways to keep cars light is to use special construction methods, and that costs extra money. Even then, it has it's limits. For example, the new Invicta S1 produced in the UK uses a body made entirely from carbon fiber that weighs only 44lbs...and it still weighs over 3000lbs. Nissan did what they could with the Z to keep it light. Remember the carbon fiber driveshaft?

Nissan has mentioned that the FM platform can be shortened further than with the Z, so that is a possibility. Also, there is no point in nissan building a S16 with proportions similar to the S15 or Z. If anything they will lean towards a small hatch-style car similar to the 180sx. Seeing as how a lot of the Z's weight is in the heavy VQ35 and lux equipment, nissan shouldnt have too much trouble keeping the base s16 around 2700 lbs.

I predict the power will come from a NA QR producing 200 or so HP. The S16 would start around $18k in very VERY frugal form (no lsd, 16" wheels, no spoiler, 4 speakers, all-season tires maybe, etc.) and probably option up to $24k. Also, a substantial nismo catalog would be offered for the car.

Anyways, this is just what I think nissan should do with the S16 to make it fun AND profitable. The car I've described would fit nicely into nissans current line-up, imposing very little on other models. SE-R and 350Z sales would have to stay strong in the USA for Nissan to build a S16.

That's very close to what I thought of. Great job! :sunglasse

My only question is...where do the back seats go? I don' t think the Z had room for them, let alone a shrunken version of the Z's chassis variant. That's why I was pushing for the longer G35 wheelbase.

Who knows, Nissan might have a few more little tricks up their sleeve with this FM platform. They were able to stretch it, and give us the upcoming Fuga/M45, so maybe they can shrink it a bit and keep it a four seater, too. :biggrin:

My only question is...where do the back seats go?

Same place they were on the 180sx :grinyes:

who says it has to have back seat? not like you can use them anyways, unless your under 10 years old, and I think they should forget about an S16 and start up something new but still base it off of the S chasis cars.

honestly they could whip up a new engine relatively easy, in the time it takes to design and build a whole car they could design and build a new engine, that could all be done in like 3-5 years tops if they took ideas from the S chasis.

and I know the TR26DE isn't an engine, thats why I said they should make a new engine that was about a 2.6 and call it like TR26DE, I just pick some letters for the hell of it, so chill

and you don't think 2700lbs is practicul??? I bet they could make it 2500lbs if they wanted to. with a 4cyl engine, in a 2-seater your already looking at under 3000lbs, use some light weight material and don't put in heavy seats or any of that crap and you'll easily be at 2700lbs

EDIT: whens the last time you road in a car thats like 1998+ that didn't come standard with all that? and all the other stuff like leather, bigger wheels, sunroof/moonroof, bigger spoiler... those were all OPTIONAL!

who says it has to have back seat?

Silvia tradition, not to mention all the enthusiasts who pay insurance based on whether a car is a four seater or not. Besides, what's the point of slotting another two seater into the lineup? That would be too close to the Z, the prevention of which being almost the central theme of this thread.


honestly they could whip up a new engine relatively easy, in the time it takes to design and build a whole car they could design and build a new engine, that could all be done in like 3-5 years tops if they took ideas from the S chasis.
This statement here blows your credibility. Nissan showed a GT-R concept in 2001, and the launch has been pushed back until 2007. With everything Nissan has on their plate now, the delay was a necessity. The GT-R doesn't even have an exclusive chassis, so the development time is shorter than what it could be. It will take quite a while to create a new motor, even if Nissan saw the need to...and they probably don't.

Out of curiosity, what 'ideas from the S chasis' are you talking about? The factory hasn't been making S-chassis cars for about a year and a half now, and has probably been retooled for making something else.

and you don't think 2700lbs is practicul??? I bet they could make it 2500lbs if they wanted to.
When did I say 2700lbs was impractical? Why would I say something like that? I didn't even say it was impossible, but it would still be quite difficult with all of the safety features required now. Heck, Nissan could probably make the car weigh under a ton if they wanted to, but then it'd be too expensive.

with a 4cyl engine, in a 2-seater your already looking at under 3000lbs, use some light weight material and don't put in heavy seats or any of that crap and you'll easily be at 2700lbs
At what cost, my friend? Lightweight material costs more money. Even with a 4 cylinder engine, you will have to choose carefully with regard to weight. The VQ is pretty light for a V6, and is as light as some 4 bangers. It probably weighs less than the KA(~493lbs), considering the VH41DE V8 only weighs 521lbs.

whens the last time you road in a car thats like 1998+ that didn't come standard with all that?
A rented Pontiac Grand Am, in the spring of 2000 comes to mind. Oh and there was a 2001 Chevy Silverado, too. Next question? :rolleyes:

At what cost, my friend? Lightweight material costs more money

Just FYI, the mid-90s maximas were less than 3000lbs. 2700 in an optionless 2-door coupe isnt a problem.

Just FYI, the mid-90s maximas were less than 3000lbs. 2700 in an optionless 2-door coupe isnt a problem.

I know exactly what you're talking about. My dad has a 3rd gen(89-94) Maxima. Sure, it might weigh under 3000lbs...but my 4th gen(95-99, I have a '99) Maxima weighs around 3200lbs, and that's with a lighter aluminum block engine! My dad's car doesn't have air bags, and other safety equipment that came along later. That's why it is hard to keep cars light now.

Your ending statement says it all. The car just might have to be a stripper to get down to that 2700lbs target. Actually, I wouldn't mind buying that. I was glad to hear Mitsubishi was selling the Evo RS here. If I can get one with just ABS and A/C, I'll be happy.

I hate people like you that talk like they know, then I have to look up the info to prove them wrong...

2004 car weights (all cars between $15,000-$25,000)
2004 Acura RSX Type S 2 Dr Coupe - 2,767 lbs.
2004 Chevrolet Cavalier LS Sport 2 Dr Coupe - 2,749 lbs.
2004 Honda Civic EX 2 Dr Coupe - 2,554 lbs.
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer O-Z Rally 4 Dr Sedan - 2,700 lbs.(look 4 doors, full back seats, and still 2,700lbs, oh and only $16,000 but the S chasis will never be that light)
2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 4 Dr Sedan - 2,710 lbs.(look a 4 door nissan with seating for 5 and only $17,000!)
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX 4 Dr Sedan - 3,085 lbs.(another one with 4 doors and seating for 5!)
2004 Toyota Celica GTS Action Package 2 Dr Hatchback - 2,500 lbs.(WOW celica with full features and only 2,500lbs. but nissan could never do that)
2004 Mazda RX-8 2 Dr Coupe - 3,053 lbs.($25,000 with all that nice interior, 250hp, 6-speed, 18inch wheels wrapped in bridgestone potenzas, has sport suspension, and 2 half doors and back seats)
2004 Ford Mustang 2 Dr Coupe - 3,066 lbs.(had to add this huge car since you think a new S chasis would weight 300lbs. yea it'll be as much as a mustang alright)
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer LS Sport Wagon 4 Dr Wagon - 3,020 lbs.(maybe it'll way as much as a 4 DOOR WAGON!)

and if you think any of that is false just check www.motortrend.com I got it all there, just copy pasted it for each one.

now please stop posting over and over about what you don't know ok? thanks you, have a nice day.

Your ending statement says it all. The car just might have to be a stripper to get down to that 2700lbs target.


sometimes i read what you post and wanna kick myself to see if im dreaming. cause i think that idiocy like that cant possibly exsist in real life.

but you prove me wrong vquick, you prove me wrong indeed.



nice post soyo.

nonono I was referring to the 95+ ones.....but I was wrong.

The base 95+ maximas weigh exactly 3001lbs.

nonono I was referring to the 95+ ones.....but I was wrong.

The base 95+ maximas weigh exactly 3001lbs.

Yeah, that body went up for some reason in '97. Lucky me. :icon16:


2004 car weightsall cars between $15,000-$25,000

So what's your point? Most of these cars are well over 2700lbs, and fwd to boot. Typically, a rwd vehicle will weigh more. Especially one the size of a 240SX, which is bigger than most of the cars you listed. Even the S14 240SX was about 2800lbs.
Additionally, the RX-8 tends to support my reasoning, since the motor and chassis were lightweight. Mazda was planning on the car being well under 3000lbs, perhaps even lighter than the FD3S(~2700lbs). Somehow, it ended up being 3053lbs like you mentioned.

You still don't understand my point about how heavy the FM platform is. Why else would the 350Z weigh so much, even with an aluminum block motor and weight saving tricks like a carbon fiber driveshaft? It will take some additional measures to keep a four seater version at the same weight, let alone any lower.

You've seen the weights for the FM-based vehicles. I've posted them. The Z is the lightest, at 3188lbs. If Nissan shrunk down the chassis like Fliquer mentioned, I think they could get something around 2700lbs. Using current the current chassis variants out there, it just won't happen.

Yeah, that body went up for some reason in '97. Lucky me. :icon16:




So what's your point? Most of these cars are well over 2700lbs, and fwd to boot. Typically, a rwd vehicle will weigh more. Especially one the size of a 240SX, which is bigger than most of the cars you listed. Even the S14 240SX was about 2800lbs.
Additionally, the RX-8 tends to support my reasoning, since the motor and chassis were lightweight. Mazda was planning on the car being well under 3000lbs, perhaps even lighter than the FD3S(~2700lbs). Somehow, it ended up being 3053lbs like you mentioned.

You still don't understand my point about how heavy the FM platform is. Why else would the 350Z weigh so much, even with an aluminum block motor and weight saving tricks like a carbon fiber driveshaft? It will take some additional measures to keep a four seater version at the same weight, let alone any lower.

You've seen the weights for the FM-based vehicles. I've posted them. The Z is the lightest, at 3188lbs. If Nissan shrunk down the chassis like Fliquer mentioned, I think they could get something around 2700lbs. Using current the current chassis variants out there, it just won't happen.

you have got to be the dumbest person in the world...
2 of the cars listed were 2,500lbs
4 of the cars listed were 2,700lbs
4 of the cars listed were 3,000lbs(one being a freaking mustang which is huge, 2 being 4 door sedans, and the rx-8 with the half back doors which really are 4 is just doesn't have handles on the outside so they don't count as 4 doors)

why can't you admit that your dumb and you were wrong, say your sorry, then never post in this thread again, you can post all over the forums, I could care less but stop making this thread longer with all the wrong info your stating.

then you said some crap abotu your 99 maxima or whatever being 3200lbs... yea http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2214
the 96-99 maximas are exactly 3001lbs with 4 doors and a 3.0, so your wrong again

but you still say nissan can't make a 2-door car that is smaller, and with a 4cyl engine that only 2700lbs? *sigh* kids these days

the 90-94 maxima was 3129lbs. but yet you say newer cars weigh more cuz of safety stuff... BS

although now the 2000-2004 maximas are 3189lbs. they also got more options, plus 2 more inches to the wheel base, which doesn't seem like much but add that much around the whole car and you've got quite a bit of weight, and a 6spd and more engine goodies so that explains more weight there seeing as how its not a 3.0 with 225hp but now a 3.0 with 255 and we are talking about a 240 style car with a 2.4-2.6 and 180-210hp

then 2003 got a new design and are 3233 but also bigger and even more options

then 2004 got a whole new design and weighs 2400lbs

good to know that you know exactly how much your car weighs :loser: trying to say it went up in 97... it didn't go up till 2000 though makign you WRONG AGAIN


now, the 240sx coupe weighs 2699 and the hatch weighs 2730, an FC3S rx7 weighs 2800, a 91-95 mr2 weighs 2657... ok basing the new car on any of these would easily make it in the 2700 range, now lets see I'll list this part for you for simplicities sake(oh yea and the 240sx convertable weighed 2800, so if they can make a vert 2800 then I think they can handle it buddy)

-car specs all in inches-

89-93 240SX(coupe and hatch are the same):
wheelbase 97.4
length 178
width 66.5
height 50.8

90-92 RX7 2 seater:
wheelbase 95.7
length 169.9
width 66.5
height 49.8

91-95 MR2:
wheelbase 94.5
length 164.2
width 66.9
height 48.6

those are all almost exactly the same size only the 240SX has back seats even... now you say the cars I listed earlier where smaller than a 240sx... you will now see how WRONG YOU WERE AGAIN

2004 Civic Hatchback:
Wheelbase 101.2
Length 165.7
Width 66.7
Height 56.7

2004 Acura RSX:
Wheelbase 101.2
Length 172.2
Width 67.9
Height 54.7

2004 Cavalier:(on this one I found that the base model 2-door and 4-door are less than the weight of the 2 door LS so proves my point even further)
Cavalier 2-door coupe Cavalier 4-door sedan
Wheelbase 104.1 104.1
Length 182.7 182.7
Width 68.7 67.9
Height 53.0 54.7
Weight 2617 2676 (note both 2-door and 4-door are under 2700lbs even though every aspect of this car is bigger than the 240sx, you can see that for yourself I hope and what makes it even better is the fact that it can be bought new for between $16,000-$18,000 which happens to be the price you said couldn't be done)

2004 Sentra: (yet another car that has a base model at a lower weight than the top end model)
Wheelbase 99.8
Length 177.5
Width 67.3
Height 55.5
Weight 2513 (this car is a nissan, and has a 2.5 which is about the size engine we would expect for the car we are *hoping* will be made and it is only 2,500lbs and still has a bigger width, height, and wheel base than the 240sx and the length is almost exactly the same, plus its a 4 door with seating for 5!)

I'm gonna have to say my job is pretty much done here, if you think any information is false you can check it here http://auto.consumerguide.com/ I got it all there and they are a very reliable sorce.

now tell me again why those cars have equal or larger engines, and are equal or larger in size(which some how traslated into you saying they were smaller, still curious how you figured that one) and some are even 4 doors, but yet you say it can't be under $20,000, and be 2,700lbs., with a 2.4-2.6 4cyl engine, with about 180-210hp and equal torque, heck maybe they'll even keep the back seats in, if they do, you could just take out the bolts and walla loss of weight and no back seats, now everyones happy... well besides you ofcourse because you haven't said one intelligent thing this whole time. bye bye now :rofl:

maybe someone should put out some 'owned' posts since like 4 of us have proved him wrong

OMG!!! Soyo i did not read all of it, but you deffntly impresed me !!!
good work!!
cool info too!!

yeah you proved him wrong indeed!!!!!

So what's your point? Most of these cars are well over 2700lbs, and fwd to boot. Typically, a rwd vehicle will weigh more.

you have got to be the dumbest person in the world...
2 of the cars listed were 2,500lbs
4 of the cars listed were 2,700lbs
4 of the cars listed were 3,000lbs
Seven of the 10 cars you listed were over 2700lbs, most of which being fwd. Again, all else being equal, a rwd car typically weighs more than a fwd one. This means that you can expect the Silvia to be a bit more than the fwds you mentioned. How am I wrong on this one again?

I’m still talking about basing the car on the FM platform, and why it might be heavier than you guys would like. This conversation has been steered away from that. Few if any of the cars you’ve mentioned are based on a platform that is also the basis for an SUV with a towing capacity of at least 3000lbs. The FM is unusually stiff and beefy for this reason, and that contributes to some of the extra weight. However, the rigidity and balance offered by this chassis cannot be ignored.

With Fliquer’s idea of shrinking the FM platform, your 2700lb target sounds much more feasible. With my idea of using the G35’s longer wheelbase of ~112 inches, it will be much harder and could result in a more expensive car.

yet you say it can't be under $20,000, and be 2,700lbs., with a 2.4-2.6 4cyl engine, with about 180-210hp and equal torque, heck maybe they'll even keep the back seats.
Where did I say the car couldn’t be less than $20k? Look at the prices I listed for my three trim levels. My proposed Silvia keeps the rear seats, and has a 2.5L engine with as little as 187hp and goes up to 215hp. Sticking with the Silvia’s 2L history, there is even a 2L available with 168hp.
Afaik, your major problem with my proposal is the weight and the fact that it uses a V6 rather than an I4.

but now a 3.0 with 255
Btw, that's the VQ35DE motor. At least that bit of info I got from Maxima.org is right. What new design did the '03 Maximas get, btw?

fight fight fight!!!!

just kidding!

Seven of the 10 cars you listed were over 2700lbs, most of which being fwd. Again, all else being equal, a rwd car typically weighs more than a fwd one. This means that you can expect the Silvia to be a bit more than the fwds you mentioned. How am I wrong on this one again?

I’m still talking about basing the car on the FM platform, and why it might be heavier than you guys would like. This conversation has been steered away from that. Few if any of the cars you’ve mentioned are based on a platform that is also the basis for an SUV with a towing capacity of at least 3000lbs. The FM is unusually stiff and beefy for this reason, and that contributes to some of the extra weight. However, the rigidity and balance offered by this chassis cannot be ignored.

With Fliquer’s idea of shrinking the FM platform, your 2700lb target sounds much more feasible. With my idea of using the G35’s longer wheelbase of ~112 inches, it will be much harder and could result in a more expensive car.


Where did I say the car couldn’t be less than $20k? Look at the prices I listed for my three trim levels. My proposed Silvia keeps the rear seats, and has a 2.5L engine with as little as 187hp and goes up to 215hp. Sticking with the Silvia’s 2L history, there is even a 2L available with 168hp.
Afaik, your major problem with my proposal is the weight and the fact that it uses a V6 rather than an I4.


Btw, that's the VQ35DE motor. At least that bit of info I got from Maxima.org is right. What new design did the '03 Maximas get, btw?

oh my gosh do you ever stop, obviously not, first of all in my next post I mentioned that 2 of the 4 I listed as 2700 ended up being less(one being in the 2500's and the other in the 2600's) plus if a car is like 2730 I'm not considering it over 2700, you gonna be picky and count like 2730 as being over 2700, its freakin close so chill, don't be all picky cuz your wrong and I proved it over and over again. but anyways that puts 4 cars under 2700, 2 at 2700 and 4 over, so stfu about it not being possible to make it light weight and reasonably priced already

and when did I say a longer wheelbase? that was your stupid idea. ofcourse it would increase the price, thats why I wouldn't do it, plus its pointless, if you note I even said that the wheelbase was SHORTER than other cars the same size as the 240, so this makes your stupid idea of a longer wheelbase mean nothing to me cuz I was noting that it was shorter so don't bring that up again... why go to 112inches if it at 97inches? ofcourse that adds weight, we are talking lightweight car, why would I wanna make it longer and heavier? I mean honestly, think about what your saying next time

and just so you know, the civic is front wheel drive and only 2500lbs, and has a longer wheelbase than the 240, so that still allows a 200lb window to make it RWD which BARELY makes a car weigh more

and why are you talking about an SUV towing 3000lbs? if they make a whole new engine how is that based off an SUV? I said make a new engine, not use the KA, so that means its not based off a freaking SUV. you need to think before you go posting stupid stuff like this

and I don't care about your proposed silvia... I'm not proposing a silvia, I'm proposing a new car, as in not the same as a car already made, which excludes the silvia, sorry they aren't gonna have an S16, just not happening, what I am proposing is a new car based off the 180/240(body wise) and FC rx-7(suspension wise) and a totally new engine being large 4cyl.(I never said V6, sorry but it never happened) and DOHC ofcourse. and honestly I don't care if it takes 10 years to come out, it would be plenty worth the wait. oh and no back seats, they are useless, but acctually I'd say make a 2 seater and a 2+2 so people could have their choise, also maybe a coupe and hatch option, if possible depending on the design...

and I don't care what engine the maxima has, I said 3.0 just to show that its a V6 and is heavier than what the 4cyl would be. and your right the 2003 maxima didn't get a redesign, what I was meaning to say was it had a 3.5 and almost all options were made standard instead of optional, thus making it a bit heavier when you have all the added options and a bigger engine

really I just want you to stop posting arguements about what I say when we all know your wrong cuz I already proved that you were

please don't make me waste more time proving you wrong, its getting annoying

A NEW Celica GTS manual, with its heavy glass hatchback and a bunch of factory options weighs exactly 2500lbs, as told by Toyota. I figure if the next silvia/240sx has similar dimensions (only slightly longer) then it wont have trouble tipping in at 2700 in its BASE model. Nissan has a wealth of proven platforms available for this sort of car, and dont forget they have the option of modifying older platforms (like the S15).

OK end of argument PLZ. Would anyone else like to speculate about next generation?

so stfu about it not being possible to make it light weight and reasonably priced already

I said it would be hard, not impossible.

and when did I say a longer wheelbase? that was your stupid idea. why go to 112inches if it at 97inches? ofcourse that adds weight, we are talking lightweight car, why would I wanna make it longer and heavier? I mean honestly, think about what your saying next time

I thought about what I was saying. Why does the 350Z, a two seater, have a longer wheelbase(104 inches) than the 240SX? That might be due to the fact that as an FM-based car, the engine is probably inside the wheelbase. That means the wheelbase must be longer to accomodate both the engine and cabin. The car would probably need an even longer wheelbase to accomodate a four seat cabin, thus the suggestion of a G35-based Silvia.

and why are you talking about an SUV towing 3000lbs? if they make a whole new engine how is that based off an SUV? I said make a new engine, not use the KA, so that means its not based off a freaking SUV. you need to think before you go posting stupid stuff like this

The SUV I'm referring to is the Infiniti FX35/45, which also happens to be based on the FM platform. To allow for its 3000lb towing capacity, the FM chassis had to be made stiffer and stronger than if it were just going to be used for car applications. The chassis was also going to be heavier. That's why the two seater 350Z still weighs 3188, despite such a light motor. The chassis had nothing to do with the engine, which you apparently could not distinguish between. You missed my point entirely.

honestly I don't care if it takes 10 years to come out

Fine. My proposed FM-based Silvia could probably be produced in the next couple of years, then your car can take its place since the development will take a bit longer.

please don't make me waste more time proving you wrong, its getting annoying

No one's forcing you to click on the 'Reply' button.

I figure if the next silvia/240sx has similar dimensions then it wont have trouble tipping in at 2700 in its BASE model. Nissan has a wealth of proven platforms available for this sort of car, and dont forget they have the option of modifying older platforms (like the S15).


If Nissan went with a shrunken FM platform, that would be ideal to get the proper dimensions for a new 240SX.

It would be nice to go with the S15's platform, if the factory that produces them hasn't been retooled for making something else already.

With Carlos Ghosn calling for the return of the Datsun name as well, there might be another open slot for the 240SX if it is decided that it wouldn't fit in the US Nissan lineup. Datsun would need a performance flagship of their own, and the 240SX would do nicely.

Anyway, I think the S12 200SX actually used the VG30E V6 for a little while. Referring to that bit of history could help justify matters if Nissan was forced to use the VQ.

Like Soyo said, Nissan might need a different 2.4-2.6L motor. The QR25 is quickly turning into another KA24, with the exception of having an even longer stroke and a weaker block and internals. The QR25 is even going to be used in the 2005 Frontier, with little to no modifications from the SE-R version. The QR20 is just fine, very smooth and powerful, but the 2.5L's long 100mm stroke adds mounds of torque and not much else.

Another reason a VQ might work a little better is just because of the fact that most of them are oversquare in design. This gives them a revvy, sporty character. It might be a little more appropriate for a sports car like the Silvia. That's why I recommended a VQ25DE. I just don't know if Nissan would make another motor.

you have got to be the dumbest person in the world...


why can't you admit that your dumb and you were wrong, say your sorry, then never post in this thread again,



im with soyo. vquick, just give it up, no one likes you. :loser:

and no one likes your gay FM based silvia that is an SUV and tows 3000lbs... ok so thats not what you said, but its just about that dumb, so shut up.

I'm gonna keep this (somewhat)short for the others here who are tired of all the huge posts. but yea why quote what I said if its all correct and has nothing to do with a silvia or an FM based car or a longer car? it was already decided like 4 pages back that there is not gonna be another silvia so stop with the FM based silvia crap

and Fliquer thank you for that post about the celica which is a prime example why what I said works and could be available at a very reasonable price.

and also thanks logikal1, you didn't provide any info but you atleast realized his posts were worthless and agreed he should stop, and I've got to say, I love the comment about the supra being the moby dick of japanese cars :rofl: fell over laughing on that one haha

argument over, kiddies.

i didn't even open this thread until just now because it sounded stupid. maybe some of you should take that advice once in a while too.