which one is better overall?

can anyone post their opnions on their votes

Ferrari, no if ands or buts....

but you guys are forgettin that skyline has 2 rear seats that can sit two midgets (gettin then nothing) and it also has a decent size truck.

But the Ferarri has that patented V-8 snarl that NO other car company has. And with 400hp how can you say no? And on top of ALL that you get one of the BEST looking cars on the market, and you also get to say that you drive a Ferarri as opposed to a Nissan. And as for luggage sapce, and more seats.....who cares? If you can afford either one of these cars, i doubt that these will be your ONLY cars...

hahahha but he said overall, and no one every mentions practicallity. but yes the 360 is an extremely hot lookin ride, i've seen 4 already. too bad its not photogenic. i still would have a hard time chosin between this or the legendary gt-r though. you know? if your from the u.s. you would know why i would rahter chose the gt-r.

I think the skyline is better handling....probably more comfort....looks is your opinion....i dont know how fast the modena is so I cant compare it....

but these are 2 of my favorite cars, I imagine the nissan is more reliable also

Give me the Nissan and the extra cash, Drool :rolleyes:

The 360
Engine V8
0 - 60 mph 4.3 seconds
Horsepower 294.6 kw / 395.1 bhp @ 8500 rpm
0 - 100 mph 10.2 seconds
Transmission 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 304.2 kph / 189.0 mph
Weight 1390 kg / 3064 lbs
0 - ¼ mile 12.8 seconds

The Skyline
Engine Water Cooled RB26DETT Inline 6
0 - 60 mph 5.2 seconds
Horsepower 205.8 kw / 276.0 bhp @ 6800 rpm
0 - 100 mph 13.0 seconds
Transmission Getrag 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 249.4 kph / 155.0 mph
Weight 1666 kg / 3673 lbs
0 - ¼ mile 13.7 seconds

Modena

the skyline

The interior

The interior......its still a Nissan.

well your comparing the slowest lauch times that i've seen for the R34. why not compare it to the more average numbers? like the upper 4's? some where inbetween 4.7 and 4.9. thats the average that i've been seein from alot of gt-r owners on this forum. plus why would the older R33 be faster at teh quarter then the newer faster R34 v-pec II? i've seen a lot best motoring videos where they drag stock R33 and it does 13 flat sometimes and the average would be 13.2. now compare that cheap turbo on the R33 to the dual ceramic turbo that the R34 has mated with the getrag 6 speed as to the older 5 speed, then you have a much faster car that is comparible to the 360. no joke. i've seen the video wheere they were doin comparo's stock for stock on best motoring. plus that was with a v-spec I and before tghe new and improved v-spec II came out. the drag results was only off by .2 secs. not too shabby for a nissan.

Well all these numbers/facts are off of Supercars.net.......
But the thing i think you're missing (as most people do) is that a car is not JUST about performence. Its the same reason why the 360 beats out the 911 turbo in tests, (it was either C&D or MT i dont remember) even though the ferarri is 40K more and the Turbo does beat (by the slightest margin) the 360 in most performence tests. Or why the BMW M3 always beats out the Vette Z06 in comparisons...sure the vette is a better performer, but i mean the interior is garbage. Anyways back to the point, Ferarri represents passion, and perfection. Just the fact the Modena creates a downforce with no visable wings is impressive enough for me, throw in that ferarri snarl, and the classic gated six. ANd there is no competition, throw on all the turbos, and computers youd like nothing beats the amazing feat of true craftsmenship and engineering. Dont get me wrong i love the GT-R its just no Ferarri. If it was up against a Z06 or Viper, sure......but not a Ferarri. No.

UHh all that computer and shit is "engineering" and squeezing 300hp out of a 2.6 liter motor is engineering. The skyline is an incredible car and its a race car, not some preppy girls race car. I mean inside that Ferrari is ugly, looks like a diaper, leather is cheap leather that Land Rover uses, The Skyline uses comportable cool looking race seats

Whats the car for, Racing or Showing off?

that makes all the difference, but I am skyline all the way

hahahah i agree with the craftsman ship part. and yes the ferrari is also a technical marvel. but its too much of a bitch mobile to me, that only preppy people would drive. not a car that a hardcore sports enthusiast would drive.

The Ferrari. I don't see how it's preppy (do you guys even know what it means?) buy being more expensive, rare, faster, and lighter.

TatII: Most 360 guys I know are true sports car freaks. Other wise they would have got a Lexus like everybody else. ..."not a car that a hardcore sports enthusiast would drive"... can back this statement up?

Anyway, the Skyline is a nice car and all but you compairing it to a Ferrari. Ferrari ALWAYS wins. :)


JBL85: That 2.6L engine is also twin-turbo cahrged and intercooled. It doesn't make 300bhp either. It makes about 280bhp. You still need to do something to the RB26 to get 300 horse out of it. The Japanese made a (useless) 276bhp limit to all mass production cars (don't think 400R counts though) although the Supra Turbo and GTO (3000GT here in the States) have well over 300bhp. :)

USA RACER go race your ford or whatever american car you drive and leave the japenese cars to me

the skyline makes well over 300hp STOCK

it says 276 because thats the most a japanese production car can have.....and yeah obviously its twin turbo'ed duhhhhh everyoen knows that do you feel better by pointitn it out to me.....and wow look i have a skyling that out WEIGHS and outhandles a Ferrari, sucks for the guy who just paid a shit load more then me for a more unreliable car =)

The Skyline doesn't outhandle the 360 you ill imformed ImportTuner reader. :p Show me a road test where the GT-R R34 beat the 360! Saying that 3400lb saloon can out handle a midengined car designed be Formula 1 professionals is a foolish statment indeed. And I prefer GM over Ford thank you. I love the GT-R myself. But it can't compair to the 360 in any way. :) Peace JBL85. :)


**OFF TOPIC**BTW, I used to live were you do. For about 5 mounths as a kid. :) Was kinda boring although it's probably a nicer place now. Are home prices expensive or sain there?**OFF TOPIC**

I have never had the pleasure of getting a ride in a Ferrari, but I recently was in a 2001 R34 Vspec ll . With the aircon on and two people in the car we managed to do the 0 - 100 kms in 4.8 secs flat.

For those who do not understand why a GTR is such an awesome car you need to brush up on it more before you make assumptions. The ATTESSA system in the R34 is second to none. We pulled over 1.2 G's according to the little center G-Force screen on roads that were not as smooth as a race track. For a car that weights in as much as it does the corning ability is scary.

While the GTR is not the ultimate car, don't just dismiss it so easily.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
We pulled over 1.2 G's according to the little center G-Force screen on roads that were not as smooth as a race track. For a car that weights in as much as it does the corning ability is scary.

While the GTR is not the ultimate car, don't just dismiss it so easily.

I can belive the 62mph one.... As for 1.20 G... :rolleyes: Don't you mean 1.02?? That's wild. 1.2 g is more than two tenths of a G-force more than the normal V-spec calimed to have. Insain my friend. I'm not doubting you. Just sounds crazy. Congrats if it's true though. :)

BTW, I'm not dismissing the GT-R at all. JBL85 was just dismissing the 360 when in fact he is contradicting himself.

..."leave the japenese cars to me" he said.

Last time I heard the NSX is a Honda from Japan. The Ferrari 360 is just an 'Italian NSX' if you will. The NSX 'made' Ferrari go the direction they did. With out the JAPANESE ('his' cars) NSX the 360 probably would be even softer.
:rolleyes:

Sorry JBL85. lol :) I don't mean to pick on you. Just want to state MHO. :)

i guess its becuse of the people that i see driving those cars in nyc. they seem soo rich and snobby. and they think they're the shit cuse htey own one and think that they can beat anything in the street. give me a modded gt-r and i'll smoke any ferrari anyway.:sun:

Nope not a type. We watched the replay on the G-Force readout. It went completely off the screen. His aftermarket alloys and enormous tyres just hold the road so well.

In fact three of the corners we achieved .85 -87 G's were off camber. You could feel the car unload terribly and wiggle a bit but he kept his foot into and the front wheels pulled us around.

We are not talking about a walkin the park speed either. The average speed around these bends would have been over the 170kph (105mph) mark. These are on corners rated at 70kph (43mph).

A note to remember is that when they do comparisons look at the tracks they use. Basiclly a circut track with high banked corners. Now put those cars in a real world situtation and it becomes a totally different stroy. The Supra's, RX's, bla bla will have to slow down considerably to make the same corner the R34 just flies through. At one of our local tuning shops they get these wild vids from Japan all the time. There have been heaps of comparisons on race tracks in Japan. Ones with no banked corners. The NSX would be all over the GTR down the straights. Sometimes even begining to pull up to it, but once the tight corners hit the NSX would just fall behind further and further. Mind you these comparisons were done with off the shelf cars, no mods.

In the end if you drive a GTR into a corner hard you have to be willing to or be brave enough to just put your foot down if the back end begins to step out. The G-force sensors will kick in and apply torque to the front wheels. If you back out of well it becomes a 2wd car then. It takes big balls to get a GTR sideways and stay with it, but if you do the rewards can be awesome.

My choice, easily the GT-R.

For one, 360s really aren't all that special here in SoCal. I can think of a handfull of people that have them locally. 550 would be a different story.

Since we're talking best overall, I have to consider price in that as well. Performance-wise they're pretty close stock. Of course the Ferrari has more power, but the Skyline has one of the best AWD systems on the planet. It does put down rediculous handling numbers stock. The GT-R can generally be had for much less than the 360 most anywhere in the world. Even here in the States it can be imported and made street-legal for less that 6 digits.

It may be 276hp stock, but minor mods on a GT-R and you have over 300hp. Change out the turbos and you can have over 450hp. All easily done, and more, for the difference in price between the two cars.

Originally posted by Kaneto

It may be 276hp stock, but minor mods on a GT-R and you have over 300hp. Change out the turbos and you can have over 450hp. All easily done, and more, for the difference in price between the two cars.

Is that little modification that every GT-R owner does to get 300bhp called seomthing? The Supra people call it BPU. I think it jsut makes the engine breath better or something.

BTW, you can twin-turbo a 360. :D lol I does the quarter mile in like 7-8 seconds. :D :)

sorry i dont know anything about honda, i forget they make real cars also, but yes refering to RAZORGTST, the skyline is a rally car also and pretty much has a computer driving for you, and the thing handles unreal.

Dyno's show the skyline is around 316 hp or something like that stock, but thats just a few of the claims I have read in magazines, maybe ill go ask in the Skyline Forum and get the real 411.


""It may be 276hp stock, but minor mods on a GT-R and you have over 300hp. Change out the turbos and you can have over 450hp. All easily done, and more, for the difference in price between the two cars. ""

the skyline is btw, known as like the most tunable car in the world or something like that, i heard its factory de-tuned to meet emissions

i think you guys know which one i will chose so i'll just post a pic for you kids to drool over.

...I'd say this car is very photogenic, from most angles that is.

I never said I didnt like the FKN thing, of course its beautiful its a Damn FERRARI. I just like Japanese and I have tons of respect for the thing and arguing/discussing with people about the car is fun =)

hahahahah well i think the 360 don't look that nice in the front or the front 3/4 angle in the photos. but its beautiful as hell in person.

Well while we're talkin about doin up a skyline.....why not a Ferrari?
Take a look at this, its a 2000 Ferrari Koenig 360 Modena.

"Biturbo unit has been deveolped with forged Mahle turbo pistons, modified electronics, large intercoolers & an enlarged cooling system.
The engine output can be adjusted by a handwheel from 450HP/330KW to 600HP/440KW"

Here are the stats.....
Top Speed 330 kph / 205.1 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.6 seconds
Power 447.4 kw / 600.0 bhp @ 7200 rpm
Torque 570 nm / 420.4 ft lbs @ 6000 rpm
HP / Liter 167.32 bhp per litre
Curb Weight 1568 kg / 3457 lbs

oh BTW this is all off of supercars.net

Damn, it wont let me attach the pics....they're too big.....
So heres the link

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2000@$Ferrari%20Koenig@$360%20Modena.html

JBL85 the Skyline was never intended or built for rally. Nissan produced the Pulsar GTiR for that purpose. The Skyline was desigend as road car and in when the R31 came out production and design shifted towards the touring car scene.

What it does it does it very well. Very few cars manufactured can compete. Those that can such as the Farrari, Porche, and lamb also cost substantially more. For the price tag of that Ferrari I could by a brand new R34 and put the rest in mods and be well over the 1,000 bhp mark with change still left over.

It is difficult to compare apples to oranges but what the hell. Until I came to New Zealand I had never heard of them let alone drove one.

not intended, but it does a damn good job, and yes.......thats one of those whole comparison things, are you comparing stock to stock, well obviously the skyline is cheaper, its japanese made and its made at a higher production level.

Originally posted by JBL85
I have tons of respect for the thing and arguing/discussing with people about the car is fun =)

Tis true. :)

I love to debate on cars and do comparisons. I have learnt a lot about different cars which I did not know before. That is all good. I am still learning about the Skyline but have been doing tons of research over the past three years.

I love exotic cars! The are the cream of the crop and what every pure car enthusisats dreams of.

Razor: How much torque in lb.-ft. does your Skyline GT-R R32 make with your current setup?
Thanks.
:)

I have not dynoed the car yet as the clutch is a bit stuffed but once it is done after the holidays I will be putting it up on the local dyno. It is nice as I work the dyno days so get runs for free.

My 2 liter GTS-t had 464 flb of torque at 14 psi and at 16.5 psi had 550 flbs of torque with 280 hp at the wheels.

I'm not going to vote on this, it's like having two kids and trying to decide which is your favourite, it can't be done (Un less one of them is evil... but anyways)

I don't look at these comparisons price-wise. It's not like well, I got 157K, let's I could either get a Ferrari 360 Modena, or a modded R34 Skyline and 87,000 Packs of Twinkies.

Sorry, I'm just saying both are amzing in their own respects. Their two beatuies that IMO are in the same category, and equal.

*claps hands* that is a very nice neutral speech. its priceless~ :D

Neutral is good. Can't get pinged for that hahahaha.

wow the polls are dead even. hmmmmmmmmm to skyline fans this is unusal, to ferrari fans this is unusual.

I never far away mate hehehehe.

Have to keep an eye on this thread closesly as I do have a vested interest as one would imagine.

i really didn't think this poll will go on for so long

neither do I....but lets just all vote for nissan anyways :p

Yep guys with taste :)

hahahaha team NISMO~!! oh wait noooooo skylines losing!!!

i'd have both in my garage if i could. but you just can't go wrong with italian exotics. from the looks to the sound of the exhaust, it's incredible. have you driven one of these??? you really should if ever get a chance. i'll take a ferrari please. someone gimme $200,000 NOW!!!!:cool:

Tat with all the rules they put on the GTR it is a wonder they were even competitive this year. They also had a lot of bad luck but still a GTR managed to stay in the top 5.

Oh btw NISMO took the manufactures title :p

razor what kind of handicap did they put on teh gt-r this year?

I'd still take the Ferrari. :) ;)

I'm gonna have to go for the GTR, drivability wise, its the man. Like I think Razor already said, it has ATTESSA which is undisputidly the best AWD system on the planet. its TWO POINT SIX LITER engine has been seen pushing 1,000hp in tons of cars. The most powerfull one was I think the HKS car with 1,600hp! Out of a straight 6 2.6l i'll remind you agian. The RB26DETT is remarkable, ATTESSA and HICAS are remarkable. Check out the skidpad work, its crazy!
Now if you want to compair the two modded, once agian on a drivability level. Ask youself this. You enter a 70km/hr turn doin 140km/hr. You reach the apex. You yam on the gas. Would you rather be on a sure footed, computer monitored (10 times a second) AWD system that can split torque 50/50 to control your 700bhp? Or do you want your back tires to light up, kick the rear end out, and send you spinning into a tree and wrapping your brand new Farrari around it?

Ok ok, mby thats a little extream, I'm sure a good driver could drive the damn 360 around the curve, after all, it is a Farrari. I just think that on a road course, godzilla would blow the Farrari's doors off!

Ok, now what about parts? Farrari parts... Expensive, hard to get, takes FOR EVER to get them.
Nissan parts, depending on the part, you may be able to order it from a local HKS, Apex i, or even Nissan dealership. If not, just get on a NZ website and have it sent. And a bet you it won't cost as much to replace a stuffed axle on a skyline then one on a Farrari.

And now back down to earth were money DOES matter, I don't think I need to say any more then this. Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R V-spec: $50,000.00~ US Dollars to buy in Japan, $85,000~ US Dollars to get from MotoRex here in the US. Oh, and have you ever tried telling your insurance company this one, "Yes hi, I just bought a new car. What kind? Oh its a nice new RED FARRARI"

But when it all comes down to it, its a matter of personal taste, Hell I'd murder small children for either one of um! J/k Mby not small children, but old ladies yes.:D

Very good explanation, I am Skyline all the way.....damn, where is 90,000 when I need it

Yea really JBL, I think I'm gonna write to some rich rapper and see if he'll break me off 90gs if I show him a bad car and he can get one too :D Who know, it might work.

I think the Ferrari is a better drivers car. The GT-R is diffenently a killer drivers car but the 360 is much better.

Better......its not even reliable.....yeah it aids you a lot in driving...but imagine a skilled driver in a car that helps you do better. WOW then you have a supercar :D

*Shows up with his Nismo hat on, Nismo flag in hand*
Sorry guys, I gotta come back and defend the beast. Have you seen the little LCD next to the console? It can display up to like 7 customizable dials for everything from boost to exhaust temp, it can also display a graph that shows G Forces from lateral and longitudinal acceleration, and it can do somthing else but I forget. Oh yea and you can download all this stuff onto your personal computer :) Ya know, so you can share it with all your other friends who have R34 GTRs :D

and you can drive it like crazeeee

http://www.fast-autos.net/skylinevideos.html

i want the gtr
more special because there isnt that much gtr's in america. also the price difference. get a skyline and just modify it with the extra cash and you can take your girl to her favorite restaurant and still have a lot left over for the future.
another thing is turbo baby. you cant resist the feeling of being pushed back into the seat with a turbo. sure the ferrari may feel the same. but the feeling of a turbo is a lot different.
to me the skyline is more technologically advanced. well its your guys opinion. for me i would like a skyline

True true Border, it would cost alot less to mod a GTR. If you have enough money to buy an R34, you could probly be able to swing the bill to get it up to 700bhp pretty easily.

every GTR comparison always ends up to us saying how much we just wish we had one of these cars HAHAHA

how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

I'm sure they make quite a bit of torque. Probably 800+.

Anyway, back to the beginning of this comparo (i got in late :)), I'd take the Prancing horse any time.

Originally posted by Steel
how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

I think the HKS GT-R was pullin somewere around 1,100 f/lbs of torque. Not completely sure on that though...

Enough mind boggling numbers already.....if I had over 205lbs of torque in my car I would have killed myself by now

205lbs of torque???!!!!!!!.....you would have killed yourself by now?...i think your mistaken...205 lbs of torque is nothing!

actually your wrong

it is 205lbs of torque. Nothing would be zero, does that help clarify for you, or are you really bad at math.

im sorry..let me specify for the simple minded.....205 lbs of torque is something for a sissy...but for people who have driven more powerful cars..its nothing, nothing as in very little mind you


:flipa:

I was mocking you, i guess the simple minded dont know when they are being insulted. anyways 205lbs is plenty of torque for a daily driven car, as for you and your camaro's which have a low reliabilty rating, I am sure you enjoy their torque =) As well as what they help you cover up :D

Originally posted by JBL85
I think the skyline is better handling.... What makes you think this way.

I like Ferrari's very much. Ive never seen a Skyline GTR, any of them.. Everytime i see a Ferrari, my heart jumps. I just think its the Prestige of owning a Ferrari that makes me attracted to them. But what i hear of skylines is there badass. I wouldnt mind any of them in the end..

Originally posted by Steel
how much torque are these 1000 and 1600 hp skylines pulling?

as i saw a quote from someone "hp sells parts, torque wins races"
i can generate 700 hp with my hand right now. Not for very long, mind you. P=w/t Im interested in how much work the engine can do it, not how fast.

The 1028 hp Croydon GTR here in New Zealand laid down 1380nm of torque or 1017.834 flbs of torque at all 4 wheels. I am unsure of what the HKS Drag car threw but will be going over to my mates house who has the article in High Performance Imports.

Nissan Gloria is a Q45 Looking thing, its actually even in AF for a Forum, but the thing can be beefed up to 800HP in its 2.6L inline 6 with 2 turbos. It will do 200+mph

Higher cornering speed doesn't mean better handling.

Originally posted by F20C
Higher cornering speed doesn't mean better handling. :huh:

One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
:huh:

One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

It adds to the handling dept. A car that gets more g's or goes through the slalom faster than the other wouldn't exactly make that car faster on the track, or even on the road.

I've been searching for the element that makes a car handle better for all my life (or at least the first time I got in a go-cart...). I've come to this conclusion. The key element in making a car handle better is......


The driver.
:rolleyes:
Yes indeed.
:licker:

For example:
Most compact car guys would feel out of place in a modern 'musclecar' like a Ford Mustang GT, or Camaro Z28. But if the GT or Z28 driver mastered his/her car and hops in a sport compact, they will push the car to it's limits, and get a minor thrill, but nothing too exciting. I've seen it all the time. Camaro drivers hop in a Celica or whatever and aren't impressed.

The Skyline GT-R is a wonderfull machine but it's full of trickery...


Makes you wonder if these F1 drivers would still be super sharp and skillful if their cars were striped of all of their electronic handling...umm.... stuff.

I've been in a few cars than can acheive 1 g force on the skid pad with just a few simple mods but that won't nessisarily make them faster than a 360 Modena around the corners.
:)

No disrespect to any Skyline fans or owners out there, but I think its laughable to choose a Skyline over a Ferrari. ANY Ferrari.

JBL85> the ferrari interior is ugly????? well, i guess its a matter of taste so thats fine but i would gladly bet that 95% of people would disagree with that statement. But "calling the 360 a preppy girl's race car"???? are you insane? TatII also seems to think that the 360 is not a car the hardcore sports enthusiast would drive but both of you couldnt be further from the truth. sure there are many people, who as you said it, think theyre "the shit" when they drive around in a 360, but well, who wouldnt? i bet you feel pretty good when youre driving behind the wheel of a Skyline, so think about what it must be like to be behind the wheel of the prancing horse.. the snarling sound coming from right behind you as you squeeze that throttle. anyway, thats not the point. the truth is that the real driver's car out of these 2 is the ferrari. no question about it. it communicates with the driver in a way that the skyline can only dream of. this is simply due to the fact that the skyline drives itself, to a certain extent of course. get the back out of shape at high speed, and the car sorts it out for you. in the ferrari, get the back out of shape and you better be sure youre gonna catch it. last time i checked, sports enthusiast drivers, or whatever you want to call them, are people who get behind the wheel for a challenge, for something that will make them work for their reward. this is what makes a sports car. speed is also a factor in the equation, but the essential element of a sports car is that it communicates with the driver, and that his/her minute inputs are reflected in the way the car behaves. the 360 does this. a GT3 does this even more. A Skyline doesnt always do this. in the skyline the car takes over from the driver. thats not what driving is about. Driving is about pleasure, and while pleasure can be derived from speed, it is mainly achieved from self-satisfaction. if you drive the 360 on the edge, YOU are doing this. i dont want to insult the skyline owners by saying that anyone could drive a skyline fast, as it isnt true, but it's much easier to drive the Skyline fast than the Ferrari. Therefore, the Ferrari is the true driver's car. Add to that the following, and the contest is over
* the sound of that engine: horny :D
* its looks (not a classically beautiful ferrari but far superior to Skyline)
* that interior
* prestige. it is a ferrari, after all.

Game over. Ferrari wins

Originally posted by RazorGT
One would think that a car that is capable of higher cornering speeds would have better handling.

Higher cornering speeds are all good but im sure youll agree that the car also has to provide enough feedback to generate confidence in the driver as it does this. Electronics dont always achieve that, IMO

cheers,
jay

F20C
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Thats why I did to avoid his comments =)

True dat, though I think the skyline is still a beautiful piece of machine, I sure with they made them in the us, I dont really like the new ones that are about to come out, though they are twin turbo stock I hear!, My goal is to get an SE-R by the end of this year, those are close to skylines in some perspectives

crayzayjay you made a very very good point about the gt-r compared to the prancing horse. you throw a gt-r in a corner and it would jsut take it. no sweet. but with a ferrari it actually requires alot more skill to drive it fast. thats why in japan there is still the major debate of rear wheel drive or 4wd. both sides agreed that 4wd is faster, but you lose all drivin pleasure that you would get in a rear wheel drive.

on a circuit theres no evidence that 4wd is faster than rwd. for the average driver though, this will always be the case. at the end of the day they both have their pro's and con's. as long as the 4wd is fairly organic i.e. not too much tech. input when you mess up, it's fine by me.

cheers,
jay

I think the average joe likes the comfort of AWD, its just a security around turns and at high speeds.....I feel safer in my AWD SUV going high speeds then I do in my maxima just because its sooo much more sturdy.

I think the thrust of a RB26 engine with modifed turbos gave the GT-R more popularity than it's AWD tech. Atleast in America I think that's why Skyline fans like the car. Boost.

I think those are actually really different cars , and shouldn't be compared , but i would choose the ferrari and then sell it and for the money i would buy an M5 and a ferrari 348...

ferarri, no exceptions.:bandit:

Originally posted by crayzayjay
No disrespect to any Skyline fans or owners out there, but I think its laughable to choose a Skyline over a Ferrari. ANY Ferrari.

Game over. Ferrari wins

No one said what we were "choosing for" Like I said before, if we were choosing what car to buy, GTR. If we are choosing which car I would pick of someone gave them to me, Farrari. If we are choosing which car I would rather drive, GTR. You say it is laughable to choose a skyline over a farrari? Perhaps I wouldn't feel comfortable driving such an expensive car. Perhaps I don't want to pay oodles of money when someone rear ends me or taps me while parking. Perhaps I want to mod my vehicle and don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a simple exhaust. Perhaps I feal that the GTRs "electronic... Stuff" puts me in safer hands. Like I said in a previous post emagine this situation in which case the two are modded. Ask youself this. You enter a 70km/hr turn doin 140km/hr. You reach the apex. You yam on the gas. Would you rather be on a sure footed, computer monitored (10 times a second) AWD system that can split torque 50/50 to control your 700bhp? Or do you want your back tires to light up, kick the rear end out, and send you spinning into a tree and wrapping your brand new Farrari around it? Now if any of you out there are professional racecar drivers, disreguard this because I'm sure you could handle it, but I am not a racecar driver, I'm sure that at some point in my life I will missjudge how much gas to give and put myself in that same situation.

but the essential element of a sports car is that it communicates with the driver, and that his/her minute inputs are reflected in the way the car behaves. the 360 does this. a GT3 does this even more. A Skyline doesnt always do this. in the skyline the car takes over from the driver. thats not what driving is about

I dissagree, I have heard absolutly no people saying that "My GTR just handles too sluggishly" Or "I hate it, I turn my wheel and for a second, nothing happens!!" Also about "the car takes over"... No... A good AWD system and the car "taking over" are two very different things. All ATTESSA ETS or PRO do is try to keep your wheels from spinning. Now trust me, you can make them spin if you are screwing up.

I'm sorry, but your whole defining of the word "choosing" car A over car B strikes me of clinton asking the interviewer guy to define sexual intercourse. fact is, this thread is asking us to weigh up the pros and cons of one car over another, and ultimately, choose one. That is what i did. if we wanted to define every possible "choosing" scenario we would be here for years. "what if i wanted to buy the car then loan it to my cousin's nephew in Andorra who will offer me stock options in his stepfather's biotechnology company at a rate that is proportionally related to the car's achieved mpg during track driving, which should i choose?" NO. plain and simple: Car A, car B. Discuss. Choose one.

you want to bring price into the equation? fine.
ok, your skyline will be cheaper to buy, run, repair etc... but what about resale value? will its depreciation rate be lower than that of the Ferrari? I dont think so. forget the rate, think about the actual amounts youre paying. you would probably lose a gross sum on the skyline over 2 years that you would lose on the Ferrari in the same period. using prices in the uk as an approximate guide:
Buy Skyline for £50k, sell 2 years later at £30k.
Buy 360 for £100k, sell 2 years later at £80k.
im sure some smartass will come up with the official average resale prices for each of these cars but i think you know what im saying. all you lose in time of ownership of the ferrari is running costs, which are greater in the ferrari. BUT what you lose on the skyline is a greater proportion of your money when you resell, so overall the 360 makes more sense from a $ point of view, if you can afford it in the first place.
that said, most people cant, so they buy the Skyline, which is all good, but if you want to be so calculating over which is economically better for you, its not as wide open as you would think. in fact, if you intend to resell the car in a couple of years, stump up the £50k you would have used to buy the Skyline and borrow the rest on a flexible loan, when you resell the car, you will get a very healthy sum as people dont want to be on a 2 year waiting list for the ferrari. with this healthy sum of $$$, pay off the rest of the loan and net $ outcome for you may not be so bad, it may even be profitable compared to the Skyline. but that's just one possibility and depends on a range of things happening. so it cant be this complicated, we have to simply look at which car we would rather choose and why.
so ill say it again, its laughable to choose a NISSAN Skyline over a FERRARI. i have my reasons, if you want to know, i refer you to my previous post.

....and about entering an 70km/h apex at 140km/h:
1. err... its pretty simple. dont enter a chicane at twice the appropriate speed, in ANY car. a skyline can be spun too, you know, as can any car. and sure people misjudge corners, youre absolutely right, but this applies to any driver in any car: you are not a good driver unless you are aware of your limits and those of the car. sure, some dumbass will approach this 70kmh chicane at 140kmh and his car's technology MIGHT bail him out. this instils a false sense of confidence which will lead to this guy driving even more recklessly until the car's software simply is not able to defy the laws of physics. by some coincidence -> a car journo in the uk bought a skyline and was mesmerised by its electronics. he was showing off in front of friends in the car when he said "look, you can provoke it as much as you like and the car just sorts if out for you" you can guess the rest... he threw it into a turn, lost control, smashed up his car and god knows what else. i know the exact turn he spun it on and believe me you have to be stupid to try to do what he did. that came about by the car instilling a false sense of security, which is something AWD can and often does achieve.
2. if youre looking for driving thrills, which is what these cars are essentially about, then yes, the Ferrari is the sportier car, and yes, you DO want the challenge of controlling the vehicle at speed, but NOT at twice the appropriate speed through a corner.
3. if all youre concerned about is safety and the safety benefits of 4WD, then stay home. dont drive at all. take the bus, i dont know.. all cars are dangerous. people crash, its as simple as that. if youre a safe driver others around you might not be. the whole notion of choosing the Skyline over the Ferrari because it has safer handling is almost irrelevant. it only has safer handling at extremely high speeds and as i said earlier in this post its tech-wizardry could eventually deceive you.


Please tell me where i said that the Skyline handles sluggishly.
I never said the Skyline handles sluggishly, i just said it doesnt communicate with the driver as well as the 360. these are different things, im sure i dont need to justify that


cheers,
jay

To defend the Skyline (I've been all Ferrari), it truly is an enthusiats car.

Ferrari-400bhp 3100lbs.
GT-R- 276bhp 3500lbs.

The car guy *should* pick the Ferrari, but most gt car fans would take the GT-R and spend the rest of the Ferrari money on mods. Most is a strong word, it's more like, "many." Many would pick the GT-R.

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I still say 360!!!1 :)

Originally posted by crayzayjay
....and about entering an 70km/h apex at 140km/h:
1. err... its pretty simple. dont enter a chicane at twice the appropriate speed, in ANY car. a skyline can be spun too, you know, as can any car. and sure people misjudge corners, youre absolutely right, but this applies to any driver in any car:

I just used those number for the sake of easy convayence of my idea.

I think you missunderstood what I was trying to say about ATTESSA. I'm not saying it's a failsafe that will get you out of any bad situation you get yourself into, or that it is impossible to spin it.All ATTESSA ETS or PRO do is try to keep your wheels from spinning. Now trust me, you can make them spin if you are screwing up.

All I was trying to say is that I like the traction benifits of ATTESSA and the handeling benifits of HICAS. If given the choice I would rather drive a car with AWD then RWD and yes that partly is because it gives a small buffer zone that if I give it a bit to much gas I won't end up wrapping my nice new car around a tree. Now I'm not saying I think if I go out and do somthing stupid attessa will bail me out, 'cause it won't. Every car has it's limits, and if you push it past them there will be trouble. Having AWD just means that car's limit for traction is a tad bit higher.
2. if youre looking for driving thrills, which is what these cars are essentially about, then yes, the Ferrari is the sportier car, and yes, you DO want the challenge of controlling the vehicle at speed, but NOT at twice the appropriate speed through a corner.

Agian I was only using those numbers for easy explination, I wasn't using them seriously.

3. if all youre concerned about is safety and the safety benefits of 4WD, then stay home. dont drive at all. take the bus, i dont know.. all cars are dangerous. people crash, its as simple as that. if youre a safe driver others around you might not be. the whole notion of choosing the Skyline over the Ferrari because it has safer handling is almost irrelevant. it only has safer handling at extremely high speeds and as i said earlier in this post its tech-wizardry could eventually deceive you.

I'm not sure which I would choose if we are talking which is safer. I am going to have to disagree with the part about only being safer at extremely high speeds as I don't see what makes a GTR any safer then any car at high speeds. At low speeds were you could have a slight twitch of the foor and spin a car with no traction controll, you might not spin a GTR as your torque splitting could split that extra 20 or 30 ft/lbs of torque to the front.
Now I don't think "tech-wizardry" will ever deceve me as I don't hold any false pretences about it, I know what it is there for, I know what it can do and what it can't. Like I said earlier, when it comes to traction all this "tech-wizardry" pays off. I don't think any one in their right mind would say that a RWD car is going to put more power to the ground then an AWD car with 45/55 torque split monitored 10 times a second.

But in the end it all comes down to personal likes, I like GTRs, period. Now if given the choice of the two, I'd take the 360, drive if for a few months because hey, it is a ferarri, then sell it and buy an R32 and mods :D

Originally posted by Gonthrax


Or do you want your back tires to light up, kick the rear end out, and send you spinning into a tree and wrapping your brand new Farrari around it? Now if any of you out there are professional racecar drivers, disreguard this because I'm sure you could handle it, but I am not a racecar driver, I'm sure that at some point in my life I will missjudge how much gas to give and put myself in that same situation.



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This post is to inquiry/clarify not to insult
I don't really know anbody or any car that can get wheelspin doing 140 km/h
Snowboarder may want to chat with you aobut the correct spelling of "Ferrari"
Since you are arguing AWD, you could have introduced conditions, had this been a wet surface, AWD = Live
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Originally posted by Porsche


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This post is to inquiry/clarify not to insult
I don't really know anbody or any car that can get wheelspin doing 140 km/h
Snowboarder may want to chat with you aobut the correct spelling of "Ferrari"
Since you are arguing AWD, you could have introduced conditions, had this been a wet surface, AWD = Live
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1: I understand :D

2: I was just using that as a number for ease of explination, but if you were holding a curve hard enough and you punched the gas your back end would step out.

3: Type O's bro, it's what I get for stairing at a computer screen all day at work:rolleyes:

4: Quite true, AWD does rule the road if it's wet, or any other kind of inclement (sp?) condition. But I had already typed a small book so I decided to leave it out :)

Originally posted by moe182
Well all these numbers/facts are off of Supercars.net.......
But the thing i think you're missing (as most people do) is that a car is not JUST about performence. Its the same reason why the 360 beats out the 911 turbo in tests, (it was either C&D or MT i dont remember) even though the ferarri is 40K more and the Turbo does beat (by the slightest margin) the 360 in most performence tests. Or why the BMW M3 always beats out the Vette Z06 in comparisons...sure the vette is a better performer, but i mean the interior is garbage. Anyways back to the point, Ferarri represents passion, and perfection. Just the fact the Modena creates a downforce with no visable wings is impressive enough for me, throw in that ferarri snarl, and the classic gated six. ANd there is no competition, throw on all the turbos, and computers youd like nothing beats the amazing feat of true craftsmenship and engineering. Dont get me wrong i love the GT-R its just no Ferarri. If it was up against a Z06 or Viper, sure......but not a Ferarri. No.

Could not said it better myself. Ferrari is passion and perfection.

Originally posted by Neutrino


Could not said it better myself. Ferrari is passion and perfection.

Quite true, simply put... Its a Ferrari :D



But I must say this, don't discount electronic systems as "electronic wizardry" they do do somthing, and it is somthing very usefull. Be it regulating fuel according to increased boost, keeping your boost curve nice and smooth, splitting torque to reduce wheelspin and increasing power delivery to the ground, moving a spoiler to provide the best downforce at changing speeds... You get the picture :)

Although I love a Ferrari......if I was driving the car it would be something fast and reliable....you simply cant beat teh $hit out of a Ferrari and expect it to last......i mean a Nissan will outlast a Ferrari any day. But Engineering wise, yeah a Ferrari is better because it doesnt need turbos. And about a SKyline motor, thats one hell of a motor, it can be easily modded and stay reliable

hmmm.. ive yet to come across a single article that favours the 360 over the 996 Turbo... and saying that Ferrari's are perfect is a little OTT IMO.... Mechanically not as sound as Porsche's, you'd have to be a fool to argue with that

someone was saying a Ferrari doesnt need turbos so it's better engineered than some car, but the simple fact is if you want to adopt this line, you have to think of the servicing that needs to be carried out on a Ferrari to keep it running in A1 condition. A Porsche, on the other hand...

yeah well a porshe can kick a skylines ass.....i praise porshe on their beautiful design of that car.......just for a daily driver I will take a skyline if I am paying for it + maintence + tires and every other luxury with a sports car

whoa jbl85 where have you been all this time? i haven't seen you on in like a month!

Originally posted by JBL85
yeah well a porshe can kick a skylines ass.....i praise porshe on their beautiful design of that car.......

I praise porsche for their amazing looking cars and good performance aswell. But as I hate sweeping generalizations, I must refer you to this video. (http://www.toprpm.com/video/down_redirect.asp?item=RSG-GTR34_vs_PorscheGambala.zip)


Sure some porsches could jump all over a stock GTR, but lets see here.

Porsche Boxter:
Horsepower 201 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque 181 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
0-60 mph 6.1 seconds
0-1/4 mile 14.7 seconds
Top speed 149 mph / 240 km/h
Skidpad 0.89 g

Porsche 993:
Horsepower 285bhp @ 6100rpm
Top Speed 274km/h (170mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 5.4 seconds

Porsche 944:
Horsepower 160bhp @ 5800rpm
Top Speed 219km/h (136mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 8.0 seconds

Porsche 928:
Horsepower 234bhp @ 5500rpm
Top Speed 225km/h (140mph)
Accelleration 0-96km/h (60mph) 6.8 seconds

Skyline R32 GTS-T:
Horsepower 160kw @ 6400rpm
Torque 263nm @ 3200rpm
0-60 6.49 seconds
1/4 Mile 14.63 seconds

Skyline R32 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6400rpm
Torque 353nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 4.79 seconds
1/4 Mile 12.80 seconds

Skyline R33 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6800rpm
Torque 367nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 5.30 seconds
1/4 Mile 13.30 seconds

Skyline R34 GTR:
Horsepower 208kw @ 6800rpm
Torque 392nm @ 4400rpm
0-60 4.90 seconds
1/4 Mile 12.90 seconds


I'll try and find some skidpad numbers on the GTR as that is another area in which they accel.

Oh, if I seem like I"m being an asshole, I'm sorry... It's not what I ment by this post, I'm just bringing into to light so perhaps some people will stop writing the GTR off before they know exactialy what it can do.

Numbers don't tell the story. They mean sh*t.. if i strap a rocket to my bathtub, bolt on some bicycle wheels and make it go 0-60 in 2.2s, 1/4 mile in 5, will that be the best car in the world? the way some of the people on this forum talk im sure someone would buy one if i built it!

TATII

i am in www.altimas.net now, I got a new car =( and this forum doesnt have good support i still poke my nose around sometimes

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Numbers don't tell the story. They mean sh*t.. if i strap a rocket to my bathtub, bolt on some bicycle wheels and make it go 0-60 in 2.2s, 1/4 mile in 5, will that be the best car in the world? the way some of the people on this forum talk im sure someone would buy one if i built it!

No, numbers don't tell the whole story, but sense I have neither one of these cars and I'm guessing you don't either we can't go to the track and find out... So numbers is all we have to go on. And those numbers are the best representations of people who have put these cars on the track and seen what they can do.

I'm not one of those people who say things like "skylines own EVERYTHING" because they don't, there are plenty of cars out there that are faster, and many that are better in many ways. But in my personal opinion I like the GTR better then the above mentioned cars.

no, i dont have any of those cars but i have driven a 911, ridden in porsches and other fast cars enough to realise that numbers mean jack, or at least dont tell the whole story... some of the cars that have impressed me the most were not so fast at all. if i posted up the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for some of these cars you might laugh at me, but the way they drove was something else. any fool can bolt a fast engine onto a car and that wont make it great.
im realistic so i know its hard to pass judgement on cars. but if you want to go on numbers published by some magazine, why dont you instead read or watch the tests on these cars by a source other than yourself, (but one that you can trust) and you'll have a much better idea of what the car is like. dont treat these articles as your bible, but for us mere mortals that is all we can do..

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay
no, i dont have any of those cars but i have driven a 911, ridden in porsches and other fast cars enough to realise that numbers mean jack, or at least dont tell the whole story... some of the cars that have impressed me the most were not so fast at all. if i posted up the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for some of these cars you might laugh at me, but the way they drove was something else. any fool can bolt a fast engine onto a car and that wont make it great.
im realistic so i know its hard to pass judgement on cars. but if you want to go on numbers published by some magazine, why dont you instead read or watch the tests on these cars by a source other than yourself, (but one that you can trust) and you'll have a much better idea of what the car is like. dont treat these articles as your bible, but for us mere mortals that is all we can do..

cheers,
jay

I understand what your saying, a friend of mine used to have an old Audi coupe, it had horrid acceleration, but it handled great and was a blast to drive. But all we have to go on is numbers, and they do give an indication of what the car's really like. What else would you suggest we compair them by?

*Edit*
The more and more I think about it, the less and less I see how you can say numbers don't mean shit, they obviously do mean shit, if they didn't then no one would use them to compair cars. The "Numbers" are complied by people who do take these cars out on the track, and do run them through the traps and take the average of all their runs. I'd say that paints a pretty damn good picture of what the car can do. I'm sure the car's you've ridden in performed somewere around were the numbers said they would.

when did porsche come into the picture? well i'll defend the skyline. the only porsches that can beat a skyline around a track would be the GT2, GT3, and the 996 turbo. those are the only 3. and the 996 turbo even didn't beat the skyline by that much. at the track its only .5 seconds faster. and the porsche has a 140 hp advantage. so yeah i guess yoru right, numbers dont' mean shit. lolz.

OK numbers do mean something. Its obvious. You can get some information from them, sure you can. But what? How fast the car goes in a straight line? If thats what cars are about why do they have steering wheels? OK numbers are the easiest things to post but if we wanted to compare cars just like that things would get pretty boring... if you have any additional information that you know of the car then you should say it.

I'm sure the car's you've ridden in performed somewere around were the numbers said they would.

no no no... what was pleasing about these cars' performance wasnt straight line speed, but entertaining handling, great balance, good steering etc etc... numbers had nothing to do with it... unless you're going to take each car around a specific track and put its time with its acceleration and top speed figures... i guess the Old Nurburgring is the closest we have to that, but lap times are hardly going to be used to advertise a car.

i hope you see what im trying to get at

cheers,
jay

Sheesh. Are you guys still on this??? :D :p :) Still can't see how anybody would take the GT-R over the Modena.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
OK numbers do mean something. Its obvious. You can get some information from them, sure you can. But what? How fast the car goes in a straight line? If thats what cars are about why do they have steering wheels? OK numbers are the easiest things to post but if we wanted to compare cars just like that things would get pretty boring... if you have any additional information that you know of the car then you should say it.



no no no... what was pleasing about these cars' performance wasnt straight line speed, but entertaining handling, great balance, good steering etc etc... numbers had nothing to do with it... unless you're going to take each car around a specific track and put its time with its acceleration and top speed figures... i guess the Old Nurburgring is the closest we have to that, but lap times are hardly going to be used to advertise a car.

i hope you see what im trying to get at

cheers,
jay

I completely understand what your getting at, all the numbers I could find were just accel and 1/4 mile accept for the boxter:( It would have been better if I could have found some skidpad and slolom results, but I'm bad at finding these sorts of things :D

Originally posted by USA Racer
Sheesh. Are you guys still on this??? :D :p :) Still can't see how anybody would take the GT-R over the Modena.

If it were a choice of some one giving me one of um... Ferrari please:p

But if I'm buying it, or if I'm betting on which would win in a track race, GTR all the way.

Like I said before it all boils down to personal preference, and I'm just a Skyline lover.

dude the 360 has a glass roof on the engine bay.. for the love of god if that isn't cool enough then ... well nothnig is ..

Originally posted by THE4TH
dude the 360 has a glass roof on the engine bay.. for the love of god if that isn't cool enough then ... well nothnig is ..

How about being able to sidestep the clutch at redline, and your rear wheels only spinning two revolutions before torque is split to the front and traction grabs? :D

or how about playin with that really cool computer on the dash of the R34 swwwwwweeeeeeeeettttttt~

throw in as many computers as you like, but it will still be a nissan. the other guy, on the other hand, will be driving a ferrari. i know which i would choose

Man this was a long post. I must say alothough I would love to drive a Ferrari (it a friggin Ferrari) I would rather own a Skyline. Why? Cause in the end I still want to be able to dirve my car inconspicuously. If you look at the R33 it doesn't look like anything special. That is, it doesn't look like a car worth stealing, scratching etc etc to all the wrong people. To all the right people (those that know what it is) it is revered and would never be mistreated (same for the 360, hopefully). With a Ferrari you don't get that. Park it in the wrong place and boom its gone. Anger the wrong girl and boom you need a new paint job (I assume it would cost more to paint a Ferrari than a Sky). If the car get love tapped (ie hit) it will cost you an arm and a leg to get it fixed (then you insurance goes up as it it wasan't high enough already).


Like I said in the beginning I would give my right arm to drive a Ferrari 360 but would rather own a Skyline (I want 1 R32's 3 R33's and 2 R34's).


IMHO

But look at it this way. If you are rich enough to own ANY Ferrari, getting a dent out, painting a quarter panel, and insurance are a drop in the bucket. However, theft is all together another story.

Originally posted by Polygon
But look at it this way. If you are rich enough to own ANY Ferrari, getting a dent out, painting a quarter panel, and insurance are a drop in the bucket. However, theft is all together another story.
Quite true, quite true. I've thought of that on a few occasions before.

I donno, I think this thread has become a dead horse that we are kicking the shit out of IMHO :D

I much rather have a Skyline.

New Question.

Toyota Supra Twin Turbo or 360 Modena?

I know I much rather have the capabilty of getting in the 600 - 1000hp
range with the Supra.

Also peep this link of a 1015 hp Supra.

http://www.suprastore.com/guil19hkspre.html

thats definitly a nice supra. but how bout this for thought? how about a the top secret supra that has the skyline engine? now that is something to drool over.

U most be refering to the one in Super Street . Yea I do like that
but I much rather have it with the 1015 hp engine in it.

If you love skylines--hats off to you for they are the most beautiful car on the face of earth. The design of the car, the sound of the engine starting, and the gorgeous INTERCOOLER --who couldnt love it??? The R-34 will one day be sitting in my garage-blue, with a HUGE Blitz intercooler on it!

As to the Ferrari people--if you have the money to spend on one of these sports luxury cars--high five, but if you are going to waste your money on a car that requires maintenence every 10,000 miles, not just basic things, but internals lots of them too---I just dont see the point!

GET A SKYLINE!

I agree the SkyLine would be the betta choice cause performance and the money situation holla:bandit: 1

Originally posted by Wes Moran
U most be refering to the one in Super Street . Yea I do like that
but I much rather have it with the 1015 hp engine in it.

you make it sound like the GT-R's can never break the 1000hp mark. they've been breakin the 1000 mark since 93. this is before the supra mark IV even came out. plus the GT-R engine rev's alot smoother, it has a 8000 redline stock, and it has 6 individual throttle bodies. all of the sudden, the 2jz's 6500 redline, and single throttle body don't seem all that fancy anymore huh?

how could you not say the ferrari? i like skylines, but cmon, the 360 is sex on wheels :p

Im just as shocked as you. Appalled even. The fact the voting is quite close is an insult to Ferrari... Nissan, pah! :rolleyes:

its all a matter of taste. sure the 360 looks sleek as hell but i preferr that brutal look of a GT-R anyday. when you see a ferrari on your tail, your like "oh shit its a ferrari, those things are expensive and fast" now when you have a GT-R on your ass you'll be like "holy shit its a GT-R!! that shit looks like its goin to eat me up!!" i think gettin eatten up is more intimidating then expensive looking fast car"

I'd be more worried about the Ferrari "eating me up" than the GTR. A 360 is sleek and expensive, but its not just "fast", its a f*ckin rocket :flash:

well in my opinion. the GT-R looks like alot more intimidating then a ferrari. the ferrari is too clean. the GT-R looks like a japan muscle car with its brutal front end, and its flared fenders.

For sure it looks a lot beefier than the Ferrari, but i think it comes across as too cartoony. Personally, the Ferrari looks leaner i.e faster (which it is :D)

i agree, the skyline has a meaner look to it where the ferrari has a sleeker more sweeping look. don't get me wrong, the ferrari looks faster standing still than my car at top speed but it's just damn sexy. and if you got the money for a ferrari, you got the money to maintain the car every 10,000 miles you would think. i think much of the appeal of the skyline is that it's much more rarer in the states than the ferrari, which itself is pretty rare. but side to side i'd take the ferrari. the skyline is undoubtly the car of choice among the tuners such as ourselves, but if you got the money to spend, i'd get the ferrari and leave it as is and be happy.

Nice post :D

I had no idea Skkylines are rarer in the States than 360's! Unbelievable

I like the Menacing look of the Skylines - I love this car

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t76834.html

I think opinions are also location related. What I mean is if you had GTR's running around all over the place where you live it becomes more the car of choice. It is well known of what you can and can't achieve in it.

The same with the States where the Vette, Viper, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, etc rule the roost. They are also highly aclaimed as you would know more about them and also more accessable (if you can afford it).

You are also used to looking at a particular shape or body style and become acustom to it. Next would be performance that you know well, then price.

As an example here in New Zealand you can purchase an R32 GTR for around the $27,000 NZD or $13,500 USD price tag. Where as a 1972 Corvette will set you back nearly double that. Given the fact that in close to stock trim there is no comparison as the GTR would eat it alive. Years of advancement in technology.
To further that the R33 GTR is around the $42,000 UZD mark. And an R34 GTR is still around the $100,000 NZD mark. Now take a 360 Modena that is second hand and it would still be well over 5 times that price tag.

All out performance having everything to do with it though it is apples to oranges, but still fun to talk about.

Lets face it and i know many of my mates who own skylines and GTR's would flame the hell out of me, but the GTR is NOT the overall best in the world no matter how much we would like to think it is. While it has many great features and at least of us in New Zealand an affordable super car there is no comparison to a Porsche GT3 or GT1, but who can really afford one of those besides the upper 1% of the population?

I love my goddy. I drive it everyday. I goes quite well in it's current very very mild state of tune. So as for me I would be a bit impartial :)

Originally posted by Razorgtst
I think opinions are also location related. What I mean is if you had GTR's running around all over the place where you live it becomes more the car of choice. It is well known of what you can and can't achieve in it.

The same with the States where the Vette, Viper, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, etc rule the roost. They are also highly aclaimed as you would know more about them and also more accessable (if you can afford it).

You are also used to looking at a particular shape or body style and become acustom to it. Next would be performance that you know well, then price.

As an example here in New Zealand you can purchase an R32 GTR for around the $27,000 NZD or $13,500 USD price tag. Where as a 1972 Corvette will set you back nearly double that. Given the fact that in close to stock trim there is no comparison as the GTR would eat it alive. Years of advancement in technology.
To further that the R33 GTR is around the $42,000 UZD mark. And an R34 GTR is still around the $100,000 NZD mark. Now take a 360 Modena that is second hand and it would still be well over 5 times that price tag.

All out performance having everything to do with it though it is apples to oranges, but still fun to talk about.

Lets face it and i know many of my mates who own skylines and GTR's would flame the hell out of me, but the GTR is NOT the overall best in the world no matter how much we would like to think it is. While it has many great features and at least of us in New Zealand an affordable super car there is no comparison to a Porsche GT3 or GT1, but who can really afford one of those besides the upper 1% of the population?

I love my goddy. I drive it everyday. I goes quite well in it's current very very mild state of tune. So as for me I would be a bit impartial :)


Very true- ad also what I base most of my theories on.......However I wouldn't buy a Skyline simply because I can't make a "connection" woth it :)

Jimmy that is so true about many people. It is hard to appreciate someting totally until you have actually driven a particular car.

I have never driven a Ferrari of any model, though I have owned a Vette, driven a Viper RT/10, and been in a porsche 911 twin turbo.

The Godzillia as it is so affectionately known is totally different. You can chuck it into a corner extremely hard, mash your foot down and it pulls you right out. Of course that also depends on the state of tune. Do that with one over 650hp and you best been one hell of a driver.

In a mild state of tune even the most clumsy driver and peddle one of these things.

I have said this in the past but they are actually boring at times. Very predictable. While there is a nice bit of grunt on tap until you upgrade the turbos they do not have explosive power like everyone thinks. The small T28 ceramic turbos come on early at around 3200 rpm and pull nicely to 7,000 but run out of puff there, even though it will moderatly pull to the factory rev cut at 8,200 rpm.

I am going to have to talk to the guy up the road from where I work. He owns a Euro body shop. He also owns a Testarrosa. I would love a ride in that one :D

Originally posted by Razorgtst


I am going to have to talk to the guy up the road from where I work. He owns a Euro body shop. He also owns a Testarrosa. I would love a ride in that one :D

You won't be dissapointed- the TestaRossa is one helluva car :eek:- Needless to say that it makes a hella-fine noise only a Ferrari can make :D

That is true. He has given it a bit of stick up the road a few times.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
That is true. He has given it a bit of stick up the road a few times.


LOL...............It sounds even better inside the cockpit my friend ;)




Oh and btw Vince......Welcome back to teh forums :)

I would say over all, the Nissan faired pretty well against a 300,000 exotic italian car :)

in terms of raw stats, yes it does fare well

Originally posted by JBL85
I would say over all, the Nissan faired pretty well against a 300,000 exotic italian car :)

300,000 what exactly? USD? No. A 360 Modena is about $200k USD. 300 would fetch you a Lambo Murcielago. Just thought id clear that up.

I thought $300k sounded a little expensive

how can you guys do this? its like asking would you rather have a gold mine in Japan or a gold mine in italy? both cars are nothing short of amazing. besides they are both different kinds of cars so they are hard to compare.

But for the record, i wouldnt turn either one down if you threw me the keys;)

it all boils down to preference really. Me, personally, even with INFINITE amounts of $$$, would take the GT-R. Why? BEcause it is a TRUE enthusaist machine, meaning i can purchase it, and modify it with a VAST pool to choose from, and even learn to make my own mods.
FACE it, almose ANY car can be made to go faster, more HP, etc. it's just taste. Also, i don't beleive in "PRESTIGE" Crap. You got a ferrari? So what? do you REALLY LOVE TO DRIVE or did you just buy to say, "Hey I'm Rich and can afford this car and you can't!" which is bascially what prestige and the ferrari name are all about. look at the JGTC, you got skylines, supras, NSX's, racing against ferrari's, mcclaren's, etc. and winning.

it is all about preference and personal philosophy, jsut get a car you enjoy, drive and LIVE IT!!

Originally posted by moe182


300,000 what exactly? USD? No. A 360 Modena is about $200k USD. 300 would fetch you a Lambo Murcielago. Just thought id clear that up.

Sorry, dont know prices of italian cars off the top of my head, last time I was in the market for one was never :p

i vote for the skyline in overal is has more comfort and more reliable and crap and if u realy wanna compare a skyline to the ferarri compare the godzilla 2 it there almost exzactly the same in stats just the skyline has alot less hp the

NISSAN SKYLINE GTR GODZILLA V-spec II

280hp/206kw
0-60mph0-100km/h in 4.3 secs
top speed 280 kmh
quarter mile in 12.2

it has ultimate engineering :D soooo SKYLINES ROCK

Skyline Rock

i think most ppl would prefer the skyline if ya got the world involved (Y)

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